Technology anymore to make a television . Guest yes. Well, most televisions right now are computers. I mean, there are tvs in this booth that are ten cores processers, and all the integrated functionality for the web, streaming stuff. 4k is a huge thing, so those are the big buzzword 4g and old sets. Host i see behind us it says 8k. Guest yeah, were already beyond 4k now. These are basically, prototypes. Theres one sharp tv of thats coming out thats going to be simulated 8k, but what were talking about is stepped up in resolution. You think about it as the jump from standard testify in addition to High Definition this is four times the resolution of High Definition. So its Crystal Clear, its sort of the next wave, and this is the first year more and more people might start buying 4k tvs. Host mr. Moynihan, a couple of years ago 3d tv was the big talk. Guest yeah. Host but that doesnt seem to have gone anywhere. Guest it did not. A lot of 3d tvs were sold because most tvs have 3d features built in. You saw a lot of Market Research everybodys buying 3d tvs they didnt have a choice. This is a little bit different. People want a Crystal Clear picture, and this is just bringing it to another level really. Host are people still buying tvs . We hear so much about people cutting the cord and watching on their mobile devices. Guest yeah. This is sort of the first moment where people have an excuse to spend a lot of money to buy a new tv. Hd has gone from, what, ten years ago or so it took off there was a boom in hdtvs. This is the year for 4k, what were seeing this year is a lot more content services thatll be delivered in 4k, and when were talking about more affordable, were still talking a few thousand dollars in most cases, there are a few that are around a thousand, 2,000. So the longer you wait with cheaper theyre going to get. Host tim moynihan, what did you come here to lg to see . Lets see it. Guest great. Oled is right hover here. They have a over here. They have a shapeshifting host shapeshifting, what does that mean . Guest it goes from a curved display to a flat display by remote control, and thats one right here. This is their top of the line tv. Its a 77inch set and youll see its beautiful. If you see on the side here itll start curving in, and itll curve back out. You can do that with a remote control. I think shes operating it. How are you doing . Good, how are you . Host so shes making it curve right now. What exactly are you doing to this tv . [laughter] well, im pressing the remote control, and im changing it right now thats a curved screen. Hit it again, and itll go back to being a flat screen. Host what does the curve do . How does that affect the picture . Guest basically, your [inaudible] when youre looking at a curved screen from the center of your eye to the screen, you get a more [inaudible] host when will this be on the market . We have no idea. [laughter] we dont know. Guest itll be like 200, right . A little bit more . Host so this is a prototype at this point . Guest well, no, this is scheduled to be released. A lot of the prototypes youll see back there theyre not coming to market just yet. This is planned for their market this year. Oled, the been fits of it with the normal tv which is led backlitt lc dtv, theres always a source of light coming through. So when you look at the picture is black on an ledtv, therell be a little gray. This is the pure absence of light, and what that does it makes the contrast you see the bright colors. The colors pop off of that. Its just beautiful. These are still prohibitively expensive. Host what do you mean . Guest yeah. Well lgs the only one making oled sets right now. The ones last year, i think now you can get them in the mid 3,000 to 4000, but thats a price cut when they were launched i think they were around 15 grand. So the prices are coming down quickly. Host tim moynihan what does oled stand for . Guest organic lightemitting diode. So its similar to led. People think led and oled are the same but theyre very, very different technologies. Led and an oled set refers to the back light system. So it uses led back light to color liquid crystal display, and then this one is using the individual o to led particles to as a source of light. So they can be turned on and turned off independently. With an led set, youre always going to see some sort of right sweeping through there. So, i mean, to my eyes this is Pretty Amazing right . I mean, this is 4k and oled which is sort of the two big buzzwords at this years show and have been for a few years and this is sort of the holy grail of tvs, i think. Host what else did you want to see . Guest oh. Well go over lets see. Theres so many to pick from. Lets go to 8k i guess. I mean, this ones going to be a prototype. Host what does 8k stand for . Guest its basically 8000 lines of resolution. You know 4k is 4,000 lines of resolution on the, lets see, on the vertical axis, right . So this is four times as sharp as 4k. Host today. When we go to the store and buy a tv, how many lines of resolution are there . Guest thats 108 to 0. People are calling it 2k because its 1920 by 1920 by 1080. Host so and the 4ks are on the market, theyre everywhere. The price is starting to come down correct . Guest yes. The price is starting to come down, but its still a little bit expensive. I know lg in particular is coming out with more 4k sets than 1080b sets so this is sort of a breaking point. Host in your view is lg one of the leaders in Television Technology . Guest yeah. Its lg, samsung, sony. I mean p all the big players sharp, you know, theres a couple of Chinese Companies that are coming out tcl and titan which are sort of huge Chinese Television manufacturers that are just starting to come to the u. S. Theyre starting to break into it because theyre offering Similar Technology like really good highend technology at lower prices and theyve also done some smart things like build roku into their tvs a streaming platform. They have sets with that integrated, so theyre making a really smart push into the u. S. Market. They might not be household names like an lg sony or samsung, but theyre coming up. Host all right. 8k. Guest 8k, it looks like paper, right . I mean, you cant, you cant see individual pixels. Its you can get really chose to that, and you wont see any pixels. Host its hard to thats Pretty Amazing. Guest its hard to, i mean, its so sharp. Host now, is this its probably hard to seavey ya the camera but are we looking at a 3d screen rear at all . Guest no. Youre just not looking to a televised picture looking that sharp. It looks like moving photographs. Its incredible. Host what struck me about all these tvs is how thin they are. Guest yeah. Oled thats supposed to be capable of being the thinnest. Its also flexible as you saw there, where it was you could curve it and go back to flat, go back to curved. Theyre doing a lot of things, youll see i think at the sony booth, super thin tvs that are actually le dtvs with quantum Dot Television host proprietary technology for sony . Guest quantum its not proprietary to sony. Whats happening, and i just learned this yesterday actually there are a lot of companies that are coming out with things that are either quantum dot or their own proprietary names for it. Theres a layer of nanoparticles is what theyre calling them. Theyre very easily controlled by light right . So they can, they can glow a certain shade of red or green, and what that does is it improves the overall picture quality because leds by nature kind of have a harsh form of light. So this is, basically, a tuning mechanic nhl between the leds mechanism between the leds and the panel that makes the colors very vibrant and active. Thats not this set. This is a different technology. But youll see quantum dot. Lg has a quantum dot set over here. Host lets go look at it i. Guest and why quantum dot exists is because oled is very expensive to make and to buy. So this is cheaper. Its based on an led lcd set but with an extra layer. So host tim moynihan, even the glass you saw on the tv has become pretty hightech. Guest yeah right. I dont know much about the glass, but, yeah, it seems like in the past few years theyve done some Amazing Things with like antiglare technology. You can see here host heres the quantum dot. Guest yeah. Well no yeah, these are quantum dot. Host ultra hd color prime. All sorts of words hoar. [laughter] what are the words that we should Pay Attention to . Guest well, every country host quantum dot in. Guest quantum dot is the panel technology. So that was the nano crystal thing i was talking about, nano particle. That is a colortuning technology, and the reason it exists is because everybody wants to make an ole dtv, but theyre prohibitively expensive to make and to buy. So this is based on led or lcd technology, and its much cheaper to make. Lcd is very, you know, its a mature platform. People can sort of churn out lcd tvs, thats why you can find them so cheaply. This is going to be more than an lc dtv but the picture quality is Pretty Amazing. Whats hard here is walking through these crowds because nobodys really looking straight ahead, everybodys looking at tvs and stuff. Host yeah. Guest increasingly people are on their p phones all the time especially me and my team at wired because were trying to cover in this whole show using cell phones for the second year in a row. Host right. Guest this year were not allowed to recharge our phone using wall sockets. Host whats the philosophy . Why is that . Guest the philosophy is last year it was sort of an example of like, hey, things that fit in your pocket are in some ways better than, like, Previous Technology and being able to cover a show like this. You can do everything you need to on a pocketable device, and its wider. You can do things like take pictures and video while youre doing and post it immediately. So thats, you know, thats an advantage that actual mobile devices have over laptops. Host okay. Guest those are a struggle to bring around the show, you know . Everything weighs you down a little bit. Host all right. We are at samsung with this wall of amazing tvs. What are we looking at . Guest this is samsungs spin on quantum dot which they dont call quantam dot, its their own proprietary spin on it. The most someone at samsung would say to me is its similar, but its different because they did a lot more things. But its a very Similar Technology. And what youll see is the colors are crazy, vibrant. They really pop off the screen and thats what, you know, the Quantum Dot Technology is supposed to do. So this is sort of a proof piece that these are stunning sets that can sort of rival the image quality of oled. Host okay. If you want to get pictures like this at home guest yeah. Host you connect it, and you just plug in your tv and you dont have cable or sate lite or anything, because it work as well does it work as well that way or work better when you can connect it through cable . Guest yes. Everything you are seeing here is a demo right . So what makes the 4k thing very, very very different from any other resolution thing thats happened in the past is the primary form of delivery this year for 4k sets will be over the internet. And were talking about very very very big, beefy files, and think only 17 of u. S. Households have an internet connect thats rated to be able to handle that sort of data regularly without stuttering. If youve ever watched netflix at home even in 1080p, sometimes itll buffer or stop. I think washington, d. C. Where you live has some of the best Internet Service in the country so maybe not. But its sort of different. Broadcast, i talked to someone who works in the industry theyre estimating broadcast 4k is five, six years away. So this is a new resolution where streaming is going to be the main source of content. Now, later this year there will be bluray discs for 4k. Thats slated for later this year, but were not there yet. I know directv and i think dish network are going to have Satellite Services for 4k but for now you need to stream your stuff, and youre going to need like a pretty hefty Internet Connection to do that. The booths weve gone to have been companies that make a lot of different things. Sony makes everything samsung makes everything lg makes everything. So they sort of have the biggest presence at these shows. Host all right. What are you going to show us here at sony . Guest this is the thinnest tv ive ever seen in my life. Host okay, step up. I think we want a demonstration. Guest so this is a penny right . And its like, its what, a fifth of a penny wide . Its crazy. It seems like a piece of plywood, but its a 4k technology. It has quantum dot, but theyre not calling it that. It has the highest quality picture. This is thinner than ab iphone an iphone its thinner than most cell phones out there. Host is this on the market . Guest its coming out. Usually the tvs that are announced at the show come out in either the spring for the fall. But this is a big showpiece host you see something this thin and the picture again, as clear as it is, is this a 4k . Guest its 4k, yes. Host 4k. What was that cell phone . Guest this they havent announced producing, but im assuming this is going pricing, i dont know, but probable 5 6,000 i would assume. Probably. But you can see its just this is, like, impossibly thin. It doesnt look like its possible right . Host right. Guest what im worried about with them is like a stiff breeze. It does have a little bit of a bump out there. Theyre saying that you can mount this from the bottom on a wall pretty easily just because host so whats the technology in this tv . I mean, what are we talking about . Whats contained in this back side . Guest well, this has an led back light system, and then it has a layer of theres, you know the quantum dots that theyre not calling quantum dots. I think they call it triluminous display, thats their name for it. And quantum dot, im not sure why people are calling it different things, i think its because they put their own proprietary spin on technology, or they developed it in outward directions. So, you know, this is a next generation lcd led panel. Its not oled. Oled lg is the only one really making them right now. So what all these companies are trying to do is make something that as like oled, thats like oled but is cheaper to make and cheaper to buy. People see that set, i want that and, oh its 10,000, and they cant afford that. So these are sort of technologies that are meant to, over time, get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and cheaper until this just becomes your standard set. Host all right. So weve toured different televisions guest yeah. Host some of the bigger companies. What are you going to write about tonight in wired . Guest well, i have to use my cell phone to do it. Host right. You have to use your cell phone to do it, but whats going to be your lead . Guest well, the way were covering the story is traditional stories. The the big story is the deep dive the analysis comes after the show because i till havent seen everything here. Of its impossible to see everything here. But, you know ill be here til thursday doing meetings and going around to booths and by that time ill know what the mayor trends are. Theres already some obvious ones quantum dot is one of them, you know, the curved displays that transform from curved to flat thats a new one. So, you know things like that just keeping track of whats going on and taking stock of it and then following up with all these companies and interviewing people that were involved in the process of developing it. Like i i love ces, but its exhausting. I mean, i love the actual fact that you come to this, and its just everything in one building. If you Like Technology at all its just a dream world. A lot of people knock it because its so chaotic, and its hard but you just have to run around and look at things and, you know ask questions and, you know, follow whats going on from year to year, and it becomes really interesting. Host while we have you here is there anything that were missing that we havent seen that you want to show us . Guest wow. Sure yeah. Sharp. Sharp has host sharp. Guest sharp has the first 4k tv that upscales to something that looks like 8k. So its host and thats their own technology . Guest yeah. This is the first step they are putting out that does that. Thatll be out by the end of the year, and if you want to see it host lets go. Guest this is another case where its going to be expensive, but its a first step right . That a to me, is a takeaway from ces. You see things that in two years might end up in your house. Host tim moynihan, a lot of smaller manufacturers that are integral to the tv business, right . Guest yeah, yeah. Well a mix, its a mix of things right . Like these are, i believe these are action thats another growing trend is these action cameras. Were going this way. Host okay. Guest these action cameras that are super rugged. Host like gopros. Guest yeah. Most famous one. Sony announced one that does 4k video. Sony and panasonic are really the only two that have been active in making camcorders, consumer camcorders that shoot 4k and thats the other side of whats going on, right . Youre going to, you know record your childs soccer game or baseball game, eventually your eyes are just going to get used to 4k, and youre just going to want everything in 4k. Sort of like what happened with standard definition and hidefinition. So sharp is famous for making very big tvs. They, they have concentrated on 60 inches and up for the past few years, and what goes hand in hand with that is the upgrade in resolution. You want, you want a bigger screen to be able to see the difference in a bigger resolution. The bigger you make a 1080p set, the more youre going to maybe see pixels in that lookless sharp. Its like taking a two megapixel image and stretching it as far as it goes. So sharp has been making big tvs. Last year they introduced their first 4k tv and now they have one thats a 4k tv that can upscale to something more like 8k. And they to this with subpixel technology. They introduced manager called quatron a few years ago. Usually red green and blue colors and that creates what you see with your eyes. Theyve added a yellow subpixel to that set, so they have four subpixels for color, and were going this way. Host all right. Guest even i get lost here. [laughter] ive been here but so they started off with having, they claim, a wider color gamut than other tv makers