we're gonna have a very special exclusive live stream book club interview with the great jack carr. former navy seal now with his fifth thriller out this week and i by the time we talked to him on june 1st. it will be a new york times number one bestseller and in july the premiere of the brand new streaming series of this series of books, jack carter's books, which will a star chris pratt. the guy is big time and he's awesome and he's great and he loves his country and i just dropped the book and he's an he's gonna be with us june 1st. so mark that down. here's the deal guys all of this stuff right now is live eventually. it's all gonna go within the paywall at locals. i say paywall because there's a minor subscription for the live content that we offer to you all week long multiple times, but you can join for free if you're not already part of our local community the oc, please do so sign up free. it's just like joining any other social media platform and we get live content free 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sorry. it's not june 1st. it's may 25th. cmr already, i'm making mistakes. this is why i need sarah and jeffrey to help me and correct me. all right, you're right. yeah, i was right it is next week for christ's sake. it's next week. it's may 25th. next wednesday is when we've got jack carter, that's why i dropped the book. ha. thank you, sarah and jeffrey. for fixing that. i appreciate it if you want to interact you can ask questions of me, but you already know me you can ask questions of our great guest julio rosas. you can ask him about his journalism at town hall. you can ask him about specifically the book and his coverage of the riots blm and tifa. is there a difference we'll get into that in a moment. you can also ask him about his time in the marine corps. we're gonna get into all of that with rio sauce if i see your question if you are a member of our locals community, your question will be prominent and first up and the rest of you free you'll have to wait. all right, so that anything else i got to do. i've got a list of things i'm supposed to do. i want credit for unmuting my mic before i went on, you know when i do big time show business radio, i have people who unmute my mic. i just there are people i got no people here. by the way, if anyone wants to be one of my people, you know, send me a dm. well, we'll talk about it. i need people. all right. let's bring them on now. he's the man of the hour. he's the toast of the town. he's america's sweetheart. he's a united states marine corps member. yeah, there's no such thing as a former marine, you know, and now he's my colleague over at the mighty town hall media empire. he is julio. russia serious. i did that like you're playing second base for the mets or something. what's wrong? well, i mean anything new york is obviously not not up to par. that's true. i know. yeah, actually, where where are you from originally, julia? so i'm originally from illinois about 45 minutes outside chicago town called wheaton. that's where wheaton college is base that if you're jokingly jokingly referred to as the harvard harvard for christian colleges. ah, yes. i i assure you are our book club grand puba. he actually has a fez jeffrey ball stayed along. he's a huge chicago guy. i'm sure he knows. what you're talking about and where you're from, that's very so are you a white sox fan cubs fan bears fan even worse. no, not really. aishka again like new york anything, illinois chicago related and not generally a big fan. it's bad. i remember i grew up in the detroit area and when my brother lived moved to chicago it was one thing then when he started his family, i remember when his front son was born i remember, you know going to celebrate with me. congratulations. you have a son. here's my curse for you. he's gonna grow up a bears fan. and it's true it came true. yeah, maybe i mean they were good at one time, but that was before i was born. so oh, yeah, exactly typical bears fans. just wait till last decade. yeah, exactly. all right, i'm gonna put what are you drinking tonight? by the way, i got a little red wine going here. i don't have anything with me right now. and actually that's what i was mistake. i should grab water beforehand, but that's okay. don't get water. i can tell what will power through this will power through this because i don't listen this is i i this is a check in the box for me larry. this is just something i got to do that. i'm willingly it's true people need to know this, you know when i walk into the town hall offices there. you can hear everybody just sort of hold their breath. there's an inhale i i swing by every couple of weeks and there's just it's so obvious that they're in the presence of a legend that i die. there's this or around me. i'm not that you would know because you show up around four the afternoon usually and that i consider that a good day if i can switch you invest but you invite what what is better not do all morning. i i have no idea. honestly, i i he just come he just comes in. i'm not his boss. so he just comes in whatever you but i think storms the only person who can claim that there he's vestibus boss although even yeah. all right. yeah, so we're gonna get into the book. i want to talk about what what led up to the book first. um, because i doubt when you were on the streets covering these riots in the back of your mind you were thinking yeah, i'm gonna write a book about this. yeah. no that that was definitely so the the kind of joke that when i tell you because sometimes that's how long and work on the book. it's well in practice about a year, but in actuality a year and a half essentially because i was i was working on the book without knowing that i was working on the book right because i mean the mean when it comes when it came to you know working on this i didn't think i when this all started out back in may which actually two year anniversary is coming up. yeah. the the the idea that i had was oh because you know, the main thing was covid right? that was the main thing that everyone was concerned about and so when minneapolis popped off i thought oh, i'll go cover this and then i'll come back and things are just gonna return to normal. let's say well return to normal in the cover there. yeah, which is not all of the trump presidency in election year and actually okay in covid-19. and so so i just thought okay, i'm gonna go cover this and then i'll be that and then right after that i covered chaz that first week up in seattle, and then i went to atlanta and the day that i got back from atlanta washington dc. that's when writers tried to tear down the statue of andrew jackson outside the white house, and so i went covered that. really as soon as i landed right? i'm checked my phone. i was like, oh shoot. okay, i guess i got it. i went home change and headed right back out the door right to cover that so so it kind of so around like late july early august i was thinking about it. i was saying along like well, i've been at a lot of these places already and i've been at the front lines of all this and we always in a way you attracted his media coverage. you didn't have to keep a journal of it because you were sending dispatches through social media and through town hall media and also through live hits on fox news covering this so you already had kind of an an outline and you didn't have to go back and remember everything that happened because you were documenting it as you went. kind of yeah, and and i obviously didn't give every my new detail like i kind of doing the book and even then it doesn't go over every single step. i took just because there was kind of a sameness to to all that in terms of yes, i go and then i leave but as time went on and i was really thinking like so that it my mindset changed from okay. this is gonna be a one and done or two and done to okay, are these things ever gonna stop? yeah, and then again and and so in the book i write that the idea to actually write the darn thing was i was meeting with the what meeting up with the source up that capital hill for the first time in a while because again because the covid i hadn't seen in basically all year in person. and he really just was just write the book like just do it like you just do it. you won't regret it. and so that was kind of the first so that it was after that meeting and early august where i thought okay. i'm gonna actually do this and my main concern was that i was gonna have enough to write a book because and at that time it was true because i knew that there was gonna be they're gonna have to be more analysis. there's gonna have to be kind of a follow-up to so i knew it was gonna be kind of a big undertaking while also maintaining well well, so continue doing my job at town hall because it's not like i could take it two three months sabbatical just to work on technically i could if i really wanted to but i feel like i don't know. i just i wasn't could just because i had never written a book before so i didn't even know if i was gonna get a book deal in the first place right was that was that wasn't a risk i was willing to take and that's fair why? yeah, so that's why i continued to that's why i didn't take time off. it's a really work on it and there there are pros there were pros and cons of that. all right, you know, here's the thing. i i just realized that i hate my lighting. it's gonna take me 30 seconds to fix it. and while i do that, i want you to tell everybody about when you joined the marine corps how old you were how long you were in the marines and and how that decision came about? all right. i'll be i'll be back 20 seconds answers and so i enlisted into the marine corps, officially late september 2014. but i didn't leave for boot camp until may of 2015 that was in 20 seconds you liar. it was even better. it's and and i i was growing up. i was very interested in military history american history in general but specifically military history, and i that that really sparked my interest and actually joining military branch, but then then it was okay. so which one specifically and initially i wanted to go, illinois national guard because if you join the guard you can basically attend any state school for free, which was very appealing but then my family on my stepdad side was very much and steeped into the marine corps and i grew up the later ladder half of my great-grandfather's life. he was a world war two veteran father open noah and i mean he enlisted right after high school. so he enlisted in 17 years old. wow, and and then he actually did actually after. world war two he was discharged for a little while, but then he was able to join the marine corps reserve. had during that time and he actually got out of the not the draft, but he got out of a deployment to korea. okay, because he had more he had more than two kids my my grandmother. she was just recently born. so it was three and i guess at that time if you had more than three kids you were exempt from going to korea and unfortunately a lot of the guys in his unit. that didn't end up going. we're actually killed. yeah. so so this is your great grandpa joined the marines in world war two and now and and you're obviously the fourth generation down for they are what were there either members of the service or specifically the marines in each of those generations leading down to julio or so his his two sons went on to join the marines one of them did deploy the vietnam. he did see some things over there. i did skip the next generation and then then i come along and so i kind of so, i was really fascinated with the how the marine corps culture what is and how it's very against tradition and history and there's very warm mentality even if you are just admin which i was not what was your was your great grandpa alive when you when you joined up. yeah. yes. so he was you got pictures of of yourself in the uniform with him. oh, yeah. yeah, we were able to do that. actually. i got it. i got a post pictures because he actually died. uh in 2018 last week like or last week in 2018 on the 15th. but so yeah, so he was able to because i would graduate boot camp in 2015 july of 2013 and i was able to right. so my job in the record was logistics and so the reason why i went into the marine corps reserves was because at the time my parents were very very pressing the idea to go to college. and so i said, well i could do both. i didn't want to do active duty wait four years and then do college as i said, well, i can do the marine corps right now while also going to college. all right, and then the funny story with that is just that. it was all for not because i ended up dropping out of college in 2017 to become a journalist in dc. which you know, i think i think was the was the good decision to do but at the time obviously was a bit of a risk. well, and and i think that's when we first met because we were both associated with the examiner at the time actually and 2018. yeah. yeah, and you were coming covering some protests them, but i mean it wasn't anything like what we're seeing now, but there was a series of protests that you got into the middle of and i'll be honest with you. i mean because i used to where i was kind of in sort of editorial position at examiner. i don't think they knew what to do with you julio. honestly, i don't think they i don't think they understood how to harness your talent. so it's great that you ended up at town hall. so with the so with the examiner and i'm not obviously in the habit of like bad mouthing. no, we're not knocking anybody but publicly but the way that the examiner was structured was just that you were either a beat reporter. or you were breaking news report, which is very much how a lot of media companies were structured for a very long time. but i realized that but for me i didn't want to be dedicated that just one thing, but i didn't want to be just on breaking news. and so that's why when there was opportunities to cover some protests that i went out and did it and combining social media while covering a live event like that. i knew that could gain traction with um getting the story out yep, and so yeah, because of how the examinerary structured and you know companies constructure their things over they want. yeah, i just didn't fit into it to what i wanted to do and you know, we partnered ways absolutely same here and amicably you and me. okay. i was nothing but the best for the people the examiner they have their way of doing things. but thank god we both ended up at town hall where i think i think the creative vision as well as the business vision a town hall recognizes the best way to utilize both of us and very different ways. but all right and boy, did you flourish and and here's what's very interesting. it's a very important that everybody understand this about the book and i want to keep reminding you the book is fiery, but mostly peaceful the 2020 riots and the gaslighting of america because i think people will make the mistake that this is a journal of your and or a chronicle of your experience on the street covering these these riots. but this is actually this book is in the purest. sense of the word a in evisceration of the legacy corporate media. this is this book so that and this is the problem with how other journalistic endeavors might operate where oh, okay, julio's good at go in and getting footage and reporting on the riots and that's it. and that's the beginning and end of your participation and then other people will use that footage for analysis. no, no your power julio is that you were there you saw what was happening and you were able to blow away all of the myths that the media were telling us. you're really a media critic. you just happen to be in the middle of the story covering the truth and then you use that truth to criticize the media. am i am i far off base from what you're trying to do here? no. no, you're exactly right and and it was funny because when the book was first coming about that's not how it was structured because really i'm of the belief that if you're going to be a reporter beer reporter and in terms of you don't spend. you don't do analysis. you don't you're not partisan with what you covered like sure what you might be covering is true. but if you're gonna want to put your spin on it, they should like you shouldn't be reporter. you shouldn't be called a journalist because in my head in my view, that's what the term should be. not obviously, you know that that term has been bastardized by the legacy media by mainstream media. so, you know, the term reporter and journalist doesn't really mean that like it used to and so and that's why i very specifically when i was joining town hall and they said well, what do you want your title to be? that's why i said senior writer. i want, you know writers more encompassing and so that's why i like to do now is analysis and opinions when when it's appropriate and when i'm actually knowledgeable on talking about and so when i was structuring the book, it was just set up to be here's my experience. here's the experiences of others. here's some basic analysis on like the damage and the destruction and kind of all the stuff. it wasn't really meant to be at first wasn't meant to be argumented in the sense of you know, presenting an argument about okay. here's here's what happened. here's what happened, which is yeah, which is which is what how i did the right coverage it's reported. but but my my agent at eighthos who are great people can't can't thank them enough. he he had a call with them actually when i was headed down to the border one time last year when we're in the beginning stages of this and he said coolio you got a great book idea here. however, you know publishers. they really want it to be just more than just here's what happened because this isn't a traditional history books. so therefore we can't really sell it as such and and so at first i was kind of resistant to the idea because i didn't want for what? i saw and what other people experience to get lost in the mix of of these arguments, but as as time went on and i was like really thinking about it. i said, you know what? he knows what he's talking about. he's been a good agent so far jonathan. um and so i'm gonna i'm gonna trust him and i said, okay, i will try to figure out how i can structure that way and i'm really glad we went that route because yeah, the first half of the book is like i said just kind of here's what happened. here's what i was kind of experiencing and here's what other people experience but then also there were a lot of myths and there were a lot of you know disinformation, so yeah, nobody and just information board. yeah, exactly. yeah, and that was the latter half of the book and so i'm really glad that i wasn't i because can be very stubborn. i'd be pretty stubborn and inside of my ways. but again, this is deferring to people who are actually more knowledgeable than you which is something that a lot of people don't do these days. yeah, and actually take that advice. and so i really really glad that we went that route because because yeah, i mean screw cnn and the washington post new york times for for continually, i mean to this day they still very much downplay. what what happened in 2020 because january 6 and we can talk about that later, but i'm really glad that i was able to to frame it that way without without it completely losing. what i really wanted to tell because i really believe that the strongest parts of the book are when i'm interviewing other people and in the place, especially in the follow-ups and the ones that what i really think that that's really the strongest parts of the book because i'm just some random guy who pops in and out of these places, but i don't deal with the long-term consequences of as wellness, but you're more than a random guy you you you were part you end it you didn't want to be part of the story, but you did actually in terms of the midi analysis again. the book is fiery, but mostly peaceful. it's about julio rosas and chronicling all of the riots. it's not just blm, but blm certainly was sort of the the spark the lit the fuse as they like to say during 2020, by the way. i have a autographed and personalized copy of the book. so, you know, i'm sure i'm sure for a premium you'll sell that to our locals members right julio you might want i mean you did kind of extort me to give you one. so i really did. i that said a bunch of copies. i was more than happy to it was an ugly feed though. no, so can i just tell you with it? so i go into the office and who he goes? oh larry, i gotta i got a book for you. i signed. i got an autograph book friend. i'm like, oh, yeah, that's great any delivers it and this was it. it was just julio. that was it. you just signed your name. it was like i could have been anything i said. if you know who i am personalize it i want a message that i you know, there's only three copies out there with the with the science with the same name. no, i want dear larry. i'm nothing without you. that's what i want you i got it eventually. all right, but that is absolutely true. thank you. it was an ugly seat in the office that day. um, all right, you know andrew breitbart used to say to me every meet every story is a media story. and of course he's right. but yeah, but sometimes you don't know exactly what the media story is it eventually develops and i think that that the riots specifically the george floyd riots beginning that memorial day. we're coming up on two years now as you said memorial day week going into the first week of june 2020 the moment it became a media story is what you've memorialized here on the cover yearbook. it was that chiron it was that image of the city of minneapolis burning in the background with a reporter on cnn and the chiron said fiery, but mostly peaceful approach. that was kenosha. oh, that was kenosha. excuse me. i thought that was i thought that was minnie we can't be spreading this information larry. no. no, that's why that's why. and that that did that summed it all up that summed it all up and and i guess you know when you saw that because you didn't see it in real time. you were actually on the ground you in fact you were frankly you were witnessing the whole melee with kyle rittenhouse and richie mcginnis, and i do want to get into that in a bit as well. all right. i shouldn't specifically say witnessing. i guess you did not witness the actual kyle rittenhouse shooting right? yeah. oh you did. oh, yeah, larry. have you read the book did you? did you not pay attention to my writtenhouse trial coverage? i i did the show. you i know but the reason no, but you were actually on the stand. i'm trying to be very, you know, legally specific. you did not provide eyewitness. oh, oh the wit. okay. i see what you're saying as you were not a witness in the witnessed in the trial. yes. i was a potential witness. my name is listed, right? i was like wait do i have to like, how does this work? i'm covering the trial that i'm also might be a part of like, what's the play here? and and no and thank you for credit because canosha let's get to kenosha in a minute minneapolis. the original george floyd. i remember having you on my show the day after the first protest, right? yeah. and you were very you were so you were so accurate and so deliberate and you actually went out of your way to say listen. there are people protesting the the homicide we new for a fact that it was a homicide. we just didn't know if it was a criminal act. we know now that a jury convicted the officer in the in the murder of george floyd at the time. you said listen people were protesting and taking to the streets to protest the homicide of george floyd and during the day they were marching. they were chanting. they were protesting. then and you are it's so vividly remember this interview with you julio. you said the sun started to go down and a new group of people showed up and that's the demographic strange. yeah. that's right. so lay that out because that's such an important part of this story. yeah, so i mean when i got when i got to minneapolis, i mean this was after they had set fire to some building surrounding the third precinct because they couldn't they the officers were still defending. but their person because that's where derek chauvin and the other officers involved in the situation where we're based out of yeah. and i get down there and it was i mean it was i think i'd like ever seen before because i had been so used to protests not affecting the blocks. surrounding the incident, you know you there were some fights and things can get rowdy, but i can go to bucks over and get something at mcdonald's. okay, but this this i mean nothing was open every place especially in south minneapolis was either closed or they they were they were being looted actively would so i get there and across the street from the third precinct. there's a strip mall with the target with a cub foods, which is kind of like a which is a grocery. store chain out there and there's some several small businesses in the strip mall. and people were just going out just nonchalantly looting because usually when especially in the first like my there's like a black friday shopping thing where people just rush it and but by this time because i mean, there's no fear because who's gonna stop them the cops that are still hold up on the cross street. that's right. so it's very just nonchalance. i'm just walking around taking photos taking video and it was just weird and and yeah people were still outside of their precinct. they were there a peaceful they were upset. they were very vulgar, you know, they would shout a few and and play nwa, you know at the police and all this all this stuff and so they they were animated. they were the emotions were high, but they didn't do anything. they were peaceful. and i i the reason why i was so distinct. with making the different with making the difference between the the members of the community and generally they were older. there's even a church group that showed up about halfway through the day. they set up like a table and with the band they were giving out snacks and water and stuff like that and they were preaching peace and love and all this stuff. and i remember. sitting down because i've been standing and walking for four hours and i was just trying to you know, collect my thoughts and trying to coordinate with town hall on what to do with the tweets that was sending and i was on my phone for for about a solid 15 20 minutes, and then that's when it was getting dark and someone's in and remember looking up from my phone. and i just didn't notice the immediate difference in the and who the crowd was and it the church group was gone all the older people were leaving. it was a younger crowd. they were dressed differently. they were dressed like in black block. they were wearing bandanas instead of what the surgical masks. i mean, it was such a stark difference even just not paying attention for for but short amount of time. and so that's when i realized that oh, okay. this is going to get a handy. and and then that was the night as the night progressed when the because they had the writers had breached the fencing perimeter around the police station in multiple areas. the officers defensive positions became untenable. and so that's when the the mayor take a prior ordered for them to evacuate and and i mean you're talking about it. we're talking about a major american city here and they get chased out. this police station. this was still and this was still like early. this was like may 30th. i want if i remember your book properly or we ended june now, i think it's a 29th. okay. so the is the 28 it was a 28th because i got shot but actually, which leads us to julio getting shot? okay, so but this is where it started to like you started to see this very difference and and if i remember right, i don't want to skip over you getting shot but because i remember dude, i mean, that's all there is tori. i mean i just kind of state trooper popped me with the rubber bullet. okay, but was that just it was that just a situation of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. did you did no. no, are you aware that it could have happened? no, because they were they were both in the street. they were in the road the riders and the cops and the cops were pulling away from the perimeter. they had set up during the whole day and as soon as they met a little bit resistance, they they were ordered to pull that and so trying to avoid getting shot with crowd control munition. i place myself off in the sidewalk. thinking, okay. i'm good. i'm by myself. there's literally no one else around me. i'm by myself. i have my press credential around my neck. i'm clearly i have my phone in my hand. i'm clearly not throwing -- at them. and and so i thought i i should be good right and no just so i mean, yeah, it was so i get a little frustrated with that because i because it was i was actively because i knew if i was in the crowd and they're shooting into the crowd. okay? yeah, you're probably gonna get hit and i don't have anybody armor with me so i'm gonna be i was trying to be smart. i'm gonna be off off to the side. yeah, but whatever. i remember i remember you you tweeting out the bruise that that made and i did you tweeted or did you text it? i can't remember if you yeah, i tweeted i called storm after it happened, but i tweeted it. yeah storms storms are managing editor at town hall by the way, and he's sort of that. i remember all of us having i don't know if you were in on it, but it was a group text. we're like we got to get him out of there. we got to get him up and i and i think store store may have said dude. he will kill me if we pull him out of there. so it's oh really? yeah. no, i would if i've got told to leave the city. i've been like, oh, what's that? sorry? i can't hear you. well. yeah, that's that was really that was the drill. it's like we were afraid julio was gonna get killed. it was only because only because it as much as it hurt and obviously as much as it sucked it was it was it wasn't a life threatening i didn't but we're first i know we are a family and we're a family in a community of individuals who love each other and respect each other like a family and we are all so a company with responsibilities to our employees, but it was hilarious. yeah, no more storage response was brilliant. it was like okay you want you're afraid that julio is gonna get killed, but if we pull them out of there, he will kill me. so one of us in this yeah. no, he's right i would have been honestly, honestly, i was just been like no i'll leave when things like, yeah, you just reading. yeah, i would have i would have been a little bit in support it. thanks for vacation days. yeah. yeah, exactly. all right, so and that's how george floyd's the george floyd ride sort of sort of developed and then kenosha happened. and again, it was it was it was several months by the time kenosha happened. and obviously we're skipping over the washington dc riots which are critically important, but but i think and and shaz absolutely but i want to set those aside for a minute because i i in my mind i relate minneapolis and kenosha first of all because geographically they're so close to each other one, but also i think that by the time kenosha happened a couple of months later this whole thing had been i don't want to use proof the word professionalized but but it was a the moment. you got to kenosha. it was a very different scene not no church groups hanging out on the street in kenosha, right? no, no, and in that that's one of the things that makes kenosha so aggravating thinking about like the after action. report kind of on it because kenosha is a town of 100,000 people. it's sandwiched in between madison or milwaukee and chicago. i mean they're about it's about 45 minutes from both places. and the officer who shot jacob lake he was justified in shooting him on her because because like was armed and he was about the kidnap. the two kids from the mother who had a protective order out against jacob like i mean she called i mean it's not even close call not yeah the the it's not like the officers were just rolling by and decide. hey, we're gonna try to take this guy in for no reason. i mean it was but looking at the video that went viral that 10 second video. i remember at first i was thinking, okay that looks bad, but then i was okay. how did this evolved because but but because we were in the summer of rage or you summer of chaos. and people looking that through this racial lens of oh cops just murder a hundred black men every day that makes sense. i mean that that they're like, well, there's no other possible so so we're we're month. two three into continuous unrest somewhere, you know somewhere in the country something was happening, right and okay, understandably the very end and riots broke out that very night. so i missed out the first nights rights, but i got the first flight out of dc to milwaukee and the next day. i love you. i'm i missed the first night of riots. dad and well, well the reason why i say that is because it's understandable. why? with the town with those much like the smaller town that kenosha is that they're not going to necessarily be ready to put down a violent, right? sure. the problem is though then the governor tony evers only called up around 150 national guardsmen. to deploy to kenosha and they didn't get there until late that next night the so month. monday rides broke out sunday. the national guard didn't get their very late monday night, and he has defended that that number and that and that slow rolling out because he said oh, well the reason why i was only 150 because that is the number that we had to do a rapid riot response, and i could understand that if that was the first ride of the year. but it wasn't. yeah the the fall of especially as time went on i mean the fall of these riots getting out of hand and and being worse than they potentially could in being worse than they probably should have been it's just that special in these democratic strongholds the it's in my opinion that they the leaders didn't want to make it seem like they were cracking down on peaceful protesters. and so they were they were they were putting in that political aspect into their decision making and so instead of instead of saying looking after national guard and overhauling it and saying hey in all states should have done this i mean, maybe alaska and hawaii. okay, maybe they don't need to necessarily be as concerned just because i mean but like, idaho, right, but in inuit lives matter julio, come on, well they well they do about you say, i don't expect a ride to happen there any time soon. i mean look i could be wrong and having anywhere but uprising there in a while and i mean kenosha really did prove that but i mean, especially for a place like especially with wisconsin being right? yeah. yeah, they they should they they should have leadership really should have been better prepared for something because you're right. number one. they didn't want to look like they were cracking down on peaceful processors, but also let's not forget. this is a democratic governor of a state that is really important to the president. this all happened in the year of a presidential election a presidential election involving donald trump and if it was chaos on the streets and if you could inflame race relations in this country that ends up hurting donald trump, and i i think these governors have blood on their hands. i think that they they sat back for a day or two and we're perfectly fine seeing their cities burn down if it helped the party if it helped get rid of trump. and because if you remember the the kenosha rights happen at the week after the dnc and the week of the balancy, so i mean it was i remember when some of that when the night of the car right now shooting this was this was before it happened, but right as the night's rights were beginning. i remember someone quotes leading one of my videos and saying the democrats responding to the rnc's speech is tonight by by writing and but no, so it was very much. kenosha didn't have to be as bad as it was in from my perspective and it is from for multiple for multitude reasons because then what happens well, then when there's that power vacuum and yeah a 17 18 year old 20 year old people are gonna take the streets to protect private property to prevent more buildings from being burned and there's a lot of concern and i'd win this later interviewing people for the book. i mean there were there were neighborhoods right literally right next to where these businesses were being burned. so a lot of residents were very very concerned that that people were gonna start going into the neighborhoods and start building burning down houses and and some some apartment units worker. yeah in in the uptown part of kenosha and while no one was killed. and well, no people were killed family pets were burned alive. oh when that happens applicable and no you're absolutely right. and i remember i interviewed the former governor, scott walker of wisconsin. what as this was going on and this is a man who you know was in charge of the national guard. he knows kenosha. he knows the the terrain he knows the powers of the governor and day one. he said this is this is an absolute terrilliction of duty. this governor is a horrible reset at he and being generous. i think he said the governor was caught flat-footed, but i think that's being very generous. well, yeah again, i would i would accept that if that was the first friday of the year. yeah, but far far from was it i the book i think the definitive book on the riots of 2020 is fiery, but mostly peaceful. i just love saying that title the author is julio rose by the way, we've a question from our our grandpa of our book club jeff who asked if this is your first book, i i think in answering this you should explain how young really are really so yes, this is my first book. i was covering the rights when i was 24. i am now 26. born in three born in 1996 over the hill my friend over the hill. all right, let's let's move to seattle because i actually think of all of these things seattle is my favorite part of the story because it literally had absolutely nothing to do with any of the stories and any of the narratives that were going on in the midwest or in dc or in new york, but suddenly seattle decides there's anarchy and in response to minneapolis. seattle's gonna create their own little kingdom the chaz. he yeah, so was there and or am i wrong was there any little incident that sort of happened in seattle that i no? no, it was nothing happened. right? i mean they pointed to previous what they call police misconduct. but they so that i mean portland did the same thing too, especially they would point to old cases, you know, some happened 2012-2015 and i'm not trying to minimize those. i'm just i'm just saying there was no reason it was all it was all because of what happened in minneapolis. and so and also barack obama was president then so there's no reason let's be clear here and and when i originally pitched to go to seattle, they're still riots happening outside the third precinct. so with the idea of going there was to i i just got back from minneapolis. i took two days off. and i was just trying to again i was just thinking okay. like that was fun. i guess that's it. but then seattle was was still going and so i town hall approved me to go but then the night before my flight. that's when the mayor said we're pulling our officers out of the east precinct and i thought literally over treating. yeah, i i and so i and so i first i thought oh, i think i just wasted company money because now there's not gonna be in the right, but then it switched to wait if they're leaving the precinct and are they gonna burn it down? i mean wait, there's not gonna be cut wait what was going on? and so i obviously i still went ahead and went and and i get into where the area was and that's when i started seeing sign saying you're leaving you're leaving literally. it's like border port of entry or say that you're leaving the usa. this is the capital hill which is the neighborhood that was located in the capitol hill. autonomous zone. there's a cop free zone and then this is our territory now, essentially and so i think okay. let's see how this let's see how this plays out. i mean like please gonna move back in. yeah, they i mean like what was gonna happen? and so the way i i get considering your coverage of the border crossings and and things it is it is pretty lovely that the progressives there when they were determining their autonomous zone in seattle actually literally built border walls. all right. yeah, and they were they were hard with they were they were arguing with the department of transportation in seattle because they wanted to take away some of the barriers and and they said no no, we need the barriers and the guys are like why to keep out white supremacists. and i'm saying am i i don't think i don't think seattle's really known for those. i mean sure maybe i found but yeah, i think those are i think those guys at least your words, but no they they were saying we need strong board security to keep out a threat and say okay, but it was this. oh go ahead good. no, i would say so there was a lot of there's a lot of ironies. within within jazz even in that first week and and i knew just again just being there and and just taking in the sights and and seeing how people were interacting with each other. i just knew that this was not going to end. well, i mean this was going to be again, more unnecessary harm and even death which was proven, correct? because they didn't want to seem the mayor didn't want to say much. she was cracking down on the social the latest current thing, which was this racial reckoning and then it needed to happen and all this other stuff. so the the best way i described chaz is kind of you've seen that episode of south park or the hippies take over. yeah. yeah to have their music festival. it was kind of like that. yeah, it was and i felt like cartman where he's like warning. everybody's like. oh, no, don't let them don't let them get a foothold or else they're gonna take it to the next level everyone just ignoring them ignoring it. and and then yeah it was and then finally everyone comes around and say okay. yeah. you're right. i'm thinking wait. i told you this two days ago and carter cartman is kind of your patronus, isn't he? you started your for just in that instance. yes. yeah. he was like clairvoyance about what technically probably more mattevest. impactly is yes, definitely more especially with the profanity laced outburst. yeah, um julio at what point during this in the course of this summer? did you become aware that you were? recognized and and sort of on people's lists like they they started because at the beginning you have to press credentials your your latinos, so you're a minority. so clearly you can't be a white supremacist your your, you know, you're sort of report and you also you were dressed like you you know you were you were with the cool kids right at some point not the beginning not that well not be well so actually the first time i got recognized was my last day at chaz because i didn't anticipate i didn't anticipate being in seattle for as long as i was too cheap to buy them close, so i kind of like put on the same shirt actually it was this shirt that i'm wearing right now because i wore the shirt on lower ingram show. a couple days prior and so i'm wearing the shirt again and this guy comes up to me is like wait. wait, don't you just on fox news and i'm thinking no. and and so i walk away to watch fox news. why are you watching fox news? you're the narc. yeah, and i so i walk away and i thought i lost him in the crowd and he finds me like two minutes later with the youtube video and he goes this is you you're wearing the same shirt. i was like, oh and i i was just concerned that he was gonna say like, hey, we got a, you know fascists over here something but he was actually more upset that i liked it. that i wasn't up but it's so and so he's like man, i'm just like hey, yeah. okay. that's me. just walked away. so but that was like the first time where i was recognized and so i really realized that okay, if we're gonna continue doing this route and we're gonna put my name out there my face out there that we got to take. oh more extra steps to kind of conceal everything. so following that and obviously i got off easy in that case. i did take steps to to really make sure that no one no one know who i was kind of blended in more. yeah, but it took more of the blend in more sometimes that wasn't always able to happen. but yeah, i mean eventually did get like in kenosha and in philadelphia and wawatosa, wisconsin each of those cases. uh, there there was there were pro blm and antifa twitter accounts that were that had screenshotted my profile or screenshot my tweets and telling their followers. hey, there's a right-wing fascists that's out there at this protest be on the lookout for him happened in louisville to i mean, so did you ever feel i mean obviously that was targeting you but did you ever feel did you feel targeted on the ground was there a time on the street when you were doing your job where you felt like they were they were coming for you. stress for sure because now i had to really be extra careful make sure no one's following me. no one's like tailing me or you know, really? make sure i take took steps that hide my identity by wearing a face covering which thank goodness for for covid for that. i guess. yeah, falcons saved my life was the working title for this book. yeah and around about way i guess. yeah. i hate the guy but it was yeah, it was it was like i said, it added stress that it's true. all right, because it was already a stressful situation and now not only got to be worried about cops potentially shooting at me again, and we're worried about whether or not i get discovered and then you get and you know. with the getting writing assaulted, so they never found me. i never found me, but they definitely made efforts to to get me attacked as chaz played out. um were you away because a lot of you know, you capture footage of people but you don't do a whole lot of like going up in front and start asking questions. and what were you able to draw out of some of these people it shaz in terms of what the hell they were doing what the end game was? um, and no one that's question question one and question two. were you surprised that the rest of the media sort of ignored it? because i still think that's one of the biggest underreported stories of that year. so i i mean so it the easiest thing to do so part of the reason as much as i would want to talk to people and really get their opinions. unfortunately just simply because of where i work. a lot of people and you know, don't get me wrong. i've tried but in my experience is just that they won't talk to you. right or or you know, they they might talk to you but then you the problem is and you you added yourself and you highlighted yourself. right? right, and it's especially in a situation where there are no cops around like jazz. you're you're on your own so i really had to take them generation, but they hadn't they had like these public meetings every day. so that was how i was able to detail and document. okay. this is what they're trying to do today. that's how they're gonna go about it. what but you well, i guess my question. the second question is well you were covering those things when you look to your right and left you didn't see, you know. dana bash and acosta, it was no one from the major cable networks covering this thing and it was a huge story. they there was literally a takeover of us of a part of a major city in america. and and yeah, it was it was journalists like you that covered that stuff. yeah, and the problem was is with that situation with with chad specifically is that they were hostile to all media. so even cnn got attacked. well, they it wasn't they got more they were more accosted. by their favorite peaceful protesters and but even but so even even though it was a no-go zone for media. especially if you were noted like if you were very noticeable as media with a camera guy and producer or whatever, right? they still provided cover for it. i was examples in the book where rolling stone usa today. they were saying oh, yeah, it was it's like this. it's like this impromptu burning man and it's a carnival atmosphere and i'm just saying are you guys seen the same things that i'm seeing? i mean sure it wasn't. mogadishu 24/7 however again when the sun goes down things things were not it wasn't safe like, you know, just literally what you say and even during some parts during the day. it wasn't safe depending on who was in the zone depending on i mean, there's a lot of fact it was a very it was a very fluid situation for sure your coverage. there was very reminiscent of brandon darby's coverage of the occupy wall street movement during in 2012 and 2011 for breitbart at the time and as you know, andrew breitbart was very very focused on the occupied movement at the time and all of the all of the mayhem and criminality and horrible behavior that happened there at chaz. um, but let's move that. you know, let's get to lafayette square in dc where you didn't have to travel too far. i have vivid memories every day these things would flare up and i would text you and say hey, can you can you are you there? can you come on the radio and and half the time i expect is like yeah. now's not a good time. and i assume that there was like things exploding next to you. lafayette square, so i wasn't there. when the content were trump walked out and there's that whole controversy over that. yeah. i was only because i i was in minneapolis still right? i was still there and that's when i so yeah, but so for the second time when they try to tear down the andrew jackson's statue. i mean again, it was just more of the same where people would. view these mass criminal activities and as soon as the cops come out to make them stop. they then start crying about police brutality and say oh tear gases and pepper spray doesn't always other stuff. they're just like are you guys what it is objectively dumb. i mean if you're going to do revolutionary acts expect resistance to that and if when you do don't -- and loan about it be the revolutionaries. do you like to think your cells as well, and that and that just speaks more to the the movement at large because oftentimes when you see he's antifa or blm accounts. they'll they'll just keep on praise by posting a photo of a random wall being sprayed painted with a cab, which means all cops are -- or f12 or all this other stuff. obviously, you just break pain in the building. it's gonna probably come off the next day if this is your idea of a revolution okay, good now good luck. well good luck with that, but that brings me to chapter five. the title is it's just property. there's insurance. we heard this all the time. i heard this from my own daughter who was sort of like try sort of she didn't she didn't riot or anything. don't get me wrong. but when we are, you know, she's a college kid, and of course you the pressures are on college kids that they got to be down with the you know, all the cops are bad and the protesters are are righteous and i said, these are small business owners, you know, this could be your grandparent, but it my daughter's grandparents on a small business and this this is their livelihood. this is their life savings and it's being destroyed by these people and my daughter's simple. that's why they have insurance and so so when i saw that i was so because there is a level of ignorance combined with malicious evil frankly that that in infects that kind of mentality and i love that you addressed it here because you got to witness people's lives destroyed. yeah, and i heard it all the time and i mean every single time i would post about especially a small business being looted or destroyed. there's always somebody saying will least they weren't killed by cops, or at least they weren't shot in the back by cops. and yes, there were what about again? and you know that has its place but it look am i concerned about target going out of business if they're sort of alluded? no, they're they're gonna be fine, and it doesn't make right. but again, they're they're not gonna they're gonna be fine. yeah, but it wasn't just there. yes, or it will be fine in cvs will be fine, but they're gonna have to raise their prices on all their products which actually affects low-income people who buy stuff from target because all their prices will go up to make up for the destruction and the theft so so ultimately there are victims here because i don't know if you notice but there, you know, there's an inflation problem right now, and this is part of that inflation problem. all right, go ahead. i'm sorry. well, yeah. well exactly. there's there's reverberations from this and and especially when a small businesses that are being attacked. i mean they were already crushed by the nonsensical covid-19 lockdown. yeah, they're already they were already losing out on money on that and so even if you're successful, you're probably not going to be able to recover or take a very long time to recover if the inventory is alluded or if you're building is completely destroyed because it got set on fire by somebody and so this idea that and then to your daughter's point and or into other people saying well they have insurance. so everything's fine. no, they didn't a lot of people don't because as i found out interviewing people and business owners, that requires a special an extra layer of insurance. that right coverage or you know, no they caught they they file it according to the insurance companies. they view it as an active domestic terrorism. so you so you can understand you can understand why who insurance themselves for that. you can understand why a small business in kenosha wisconsin is gonna look at that and say is it really worth the extra money? probably not because why how are we ever? be the victim of something that would be classified as the bacterism. it's kenosha, wisconsin. and so but then yeah even in minneapolis or washington dc so well, maybe watching you see well maybe washington dc. yeah, but but then even if you do want if you do want them that insurance. they're gonna have the money for it right the premium. so this guy hi for that kind of thing. yeah, exactly. and so so it's not because people are just don't it's not just because they're ignorance is saying oh well, we're just not gonna get insurance. it's no that it's an another added cost that they may not they may or may not be able to so even if okay, they all have insurance. you're still at the end of the day your victimizing people who had nothing to do with whatever happened with whatever police actually caused the right in the first place. it's the idea that two wrongs in. this is what's so poisonous about this racial justice movement. is that the ends justified means and so we're we don't care who gets hurt in the process because right in order for us to defund the police. i mean, that's that's their goal or abolish the police like in minneapolis or an even seattle. i mean, you're hurt you're hurting. innocent people right and listen, i it be before him before i make anyone think that my daughter is completely immoral, you know, we were engaged in a in a no i bet and and honestly all i had to say to her was well, you've got car insurance. what's your opinion of the person who purposely t-bones you and gets out and walks away and says, hey listen you got insurance. you have no beef with me and and she said, okay i get it, you know, so so, you know, but this is the thing we need to engage in these these shallow immoral arguments that are fed into young people because they think they're making a point and they're not and that's where that's where the grown-ups have to enter into the room. not you julio. you're not a grown up. you're only 26. you -- goodness. yeah. um, let's let's i've waited an hour until we can get to the hottest topic of them all and that's january 6 you were there. you saw you you saw everything on january 6 or at least use that tell me you did you cover the rally first over the ellipse. and then so by the time you got to the capitol had it already been breached. not breach. so i was i was i was at the ellipse and again things were fine things were peaceful. nothing was happening. and so i was trying to just upload videos and pictures to twitter. but because there's a lot of people there the the cell phone coverage was was great. so i actually walked up towards the white house. they get a better signal and get better data. and then it was at that i couldn't even text. i mean you couldn't even you couldn't even send text. i mean, that's how that's how bogged down the cellular network was. and a friend of mine it was at the daily caller at the time. she texted me saying hey people going to the capital and for you know. going from the white house the capital building. that's a pretty lengthy walk and i had all my rights here on me already because i had anticipated the evening to go. in a similar direction like the previous trump rallies, where is peaceful during the day and people and like the proud boys and people do can get out at night. so that's what i was expecting. and the reason why i had all that on me was because i knew that i was gonna have enough time to go back home to grab it and then go back. and so that was a smart decision i made that day. and so i have took the metro. from the station near the way it's like farragut west right near the white house or metro center you can get either one. oh side of the white house it was it. that would have been well, it could have been farragut or metro center depends on i think what hold on you took the but you took the metro one mile. for well, because again, i'm having all this gear on. sorry, you're not a marine anymore right back ruck that --. very trying to well because i was also trying to get there on time because it was gonna take me a while. all right, you're on a deadline. i just now i was trying to because because yeah because she's already said because i wasn't expecting because people were leaving before trump had even finished speaking that thing right before people destroy me in the comments. it is just it's a hobby in the town hall offices to give julio --. we've got to keep julio humble. all right, because he's just he's a superstar. so leave me alone. all right, go ahead and well and so so it was at that point because i i was i was planning on walking back. to the ellipse, but then when i got that texting people already going i'm just like oh shoot. okay. well the fastest way to get there's metro when i do something was yeah. i just was wrong. it's not too stops. okay, that's absolutely stuff. if from from farragut west to capital south it is not metro center. you got chinatown. okay three stops. okay. okay. i'm gonna i'm gonna look it's not it's like talking about. anyway, yeah, okay, fake news. you're fake. okay, wait. hey, oh, no. oh, don't call me fake news son of a bit. all right. did you did you go you took the blue line to what capital south? yeah capital. so yeah, so you have to go through you have to go through farragut west long font plaza los angeles met. yeah, that's the other yeah, that's the way yeah. it's like four stops. okay. anyway, no. no, so it's three stops that most a capital so it is not three times as god is my witness and it's not three stops. all right, i'm four you go ahead. i'm pulling up the map now you go ahead. okay, so i knew something was wrong as soon as i got out of the metro station four stops later at capital south. and because when i got out of the station cops were blocking off the road that leads right directly to the capital building where it's over by like the long worth and right canon office, right and i'm saying well, that's weird. why are they doing that? and so i had a cut back around and i went i went up through the where the rayburn house was that's closer to the the west western of the capital building. and as soon as i find it and as i was getting closer, i could hear people screaming and yelling and hooting and hollering and i heard the sound of metal banging and that was kind of like, okay things are this is what what and i so i started running and then when everything kind of came into view, that's when i saw this the whole crowd storming the the capital grounds and that's right. that that point that's when i realized were like oh goodness. this is what this is how the day is going to unfold and it's like, okay, let's let's get to work. yeah. all right, and well, you'll continue the story in a moment. i i was thinking of the red line. to union station the blue line doesn't we're we're both right? okay, the blue light is now and here's why here's why because it is two stuff. no it is it's like four stops, but it's like each stop is too blocks. all right, it's the distance wise you went about a mile. yeah a mile that i didn't have time to and you went down to the other side of the mall and then across and there there should be that many but you're right. i have linked the map to the washington metro. and you would have been better off taking the red line to union station and walking the north side of the capitol, but that's okay. that's that's what i would have done. but you know, what do i know? um, it's but no so yeah, it was it was just a all right, so it what it was a hectic day, and i was i it was here's my question. were you able to were you memorize it? it was very summarize it would well summer. it was the weirdest riot i ever covered. it was really weird. and we like explain why what was it? was it on? okay. well, i i put a pin on that. did you actually witness? um members of the the rioters? let's call them for now. did you did you witness them breaching police barricades or a police line? you did? um, and the people who were actually breaching that police line. two questions first one did you you've seen these riots for months now literally for seven months now? you've been you've been covering these things in other cities. what was the police compliment at the barricades on january 6 compared to what you saw in kenosha in wisconsin even at lafayette square in dc months before but because you tell me what was the police complement were they properly set up for what happened? no, absolutely not and and that's part as much as i like to say that kenosha could have been. not completely avoided but the damage could have been certainly minimized. i fully believe that january 6 could have been largely avoided it leads in terms of the capital beanbridge. bridge that might have been fights. if there was but the cops were not in riot gear the sound of the metal being banked that i heard was the easily movable bike racks that they had just set up around these were the fact that it is so it was they they were not prepared for it in the slightest. and again, it's just like how why because we're coming off of? i mean we just went through 2020 and i was crazy and people were very upset of the election results and well and and everybody knew that there was gonna be a convergence of interests that day. that would have bred. yeah. i'm disruption. and so like there would have been people i mean capital hill staffers have told me since that they were they said yeah, they were they were getting warnings about there were debates about whether to even go into the capital that just work remotely because there were safety concerns and so i'm just thinking so then why we're why was the capital police in washington police just so caught off guard my next question. not it if that moment my next question asked you to venture a little bit as a speculation, and i know you well enough to know that you prefer not to speculate i think that this is a a an educated opinion that you're gonna bring here. are you looking at the map right now? are you looking at the metro map? i can either confirm nor did not. happy you put glasses on so. um, i think you this is gonna be an educated opinion that you're gonna give me, but it can't really be proven the people who were breaching those police barricades outside the capital when you witness them the first line that first police would and we both agree the police did not have substantial and adequate presence. but at the same time the fault goes to the people who pushed the police to find a perimeter and whether they were equipped to protect that perimeter or not. you respect what the police say. i think we would both agree on that you if the police say don't cross this line and you cross the line you're at fault. my question is based on your opinion those people who first pushed past that police line. who were they? what who how were they affiliated? did they look like the same people? who were at the ellipse at the peaceful rally? did it look like antifa that you saw in kenosha. was it some weird proud boys contingent? what do you think? it was largely trump supporters. it went and and the reason why i say that is because i know people were blaming antifa, especially in the beginning. yeah and look antifa. they are a bunch of -- ups. i mean, that's why they're part of this anarchical communist movement in the first place because they're just not that um, they're not they're not they're not great at a lot of things in life however they are good at writing and the reason why they're able to do it for so long over and over repeatedly, not just because they get let off easy by progressive das if they get arrested, but it's because they are very very disciplined in hiding their identities. they will not be caught dead. taking if they're gonna do a a false flag for instance. they're not going to be caught dead without covering up their identities. now a lot of people in this crowd obviously were nonchalant about covid so they didn't even wear face coverings. i mean that the whole reason why there have been a lot of arrests and you know since essentially we're six is because people were very easily identifiable. i mean you even had people using their using their personal social media accounts live streaming themselves going into the capital and i mean actually bad it was was life tweeting what she was doing that day. so i mean, a lot of people were easily identifiable and because there was cameras everywhere. this is important and i i get it and by the way, i remember i i knew the answer because i asked you a week after this happened and you gave me the same answer and it's important for everybody because listen the people who have been held without a trial at this point for a year and a half. it's it's a miscarriage of justice. what happened on january 6 was bad frankly. i think what's happening with the justice department after january 6th is worse, but that doesn't mean that there isn't some blame to be to be absorbed here by trump supporters who did in fact break the law and and disrupt police activity that day and i and i wish they hadn't done it because it was wrong and and you go. yeah. well, it's just the obviously if you're going to break into the capital building in the way that a lot of people did now yes, there was that one entrance where the police did write the doors they believe they literally rolled out a red carpet over there very so it again and that's weird. why would you do that? but that happened so a lot of people who went into that way probably thought okay, but i mean, there are other people who were really breaking into the windows and we're not gonna yeah, so obviously if you're going to do that and not be successful and actually overthrowing the government. yeah, the government's gonna come down really hard on you. yeah, and that's not to say that then it's justified to deny them their new process, which i think has happened in some cases of the defendants. but it's also the same time you shouldn't be surprising that's gonna happen. i mean this yeah, this is the our government as good as it can be a lot of times it can also be very very bad. so question from oh finish your thoughts. sorry, go ahead. well, no, so. in the book i talk about the the different because justice should be equal right addresses should be you know people who do wrong should be held accountable. that's why it's frustrating when you had a federal courthouse who was that was attacked for a month straight in portland and the few people who were arrested a lot of them were a lot of them had their cases dropped a lot of them. you know that then we're talking about very serious. we're not talking about trespassing which a lot of people have been charged with with january 6. we're talking about assaults on federal officers with hammers with had a gun when he's a skateboard college in vandalism, right and they get in and they get and they get let go and so of course and so of course that was probably another thing where people some of the crowd on january 6 probably thought will blm and fifa can write really nilly and not visiting a consequences to them. we should all so that therefore we can also take action direct action and not face any console consequences as well. yeah direct action. look at you so by violence for radicals. yeah violence because violence because violence i mean, that's the book coolio just referred to it's been a good 20 minutes since i've held it up. so let's do this again finally peaceful by the way up published by our friends over at daily wire books. how do you prefer people buy this? i mean amazon obviously is great for ego because it jumps you up the list but isn't it better if they buy it right at daily wire just in terms of screwing jeff bezos i mean they can they buy the barnes & noble walmart target thriftbooks books-a-million. any word books are sold? your your garage? i know how to the truck here. i don't have any more cop. i told you i don't have more copies left. that's right, and and you certainly don't have any personalized one of a kind. there it is. there it is again signature copies that i'll be selling on ebay alright good question from jeff here says was there a clear sense that these riots were for the cameras or were there truly i by the way, there could be true believers and it could be for the cameras when you recovering him. it's like did the did the activity occur? because the cnn live shot was there or did the live shot go where the riots were, you you know what i mean? um, i don't think it was necessarily for the cameras. i really do think that a lot of people just took action because they really wanted to do something in the moment. i mean it all depends right because again if you're gonna take a violent action, especially against law enforcement or you know, whatever. on camera, you better darn be sure that you are not going to be able to get caught afterwards because you you're being caught on a camera. yeah doing a criminal activity. and so that's why you antifa will chase you out. or destroy your camera equipment because they don't want. to be caught and afterwards because i mean it's a slam dunk case if it's on video. just i mean, it just depends so i think a lot of people. just what i they would have done it regardless if there was cameras there or not. and like i said, i mean they post on social media themselves. i mean i was saying that minneapolis and they're doing instagram lives and yeah all this other stuff. so it was i don't think it was just because there were their cameras there right you what your second to last chapter. i do love the after action chapter by the way is great very, you know, great military callback there, but also it's sort of like i i sort of what i love about a lot of what we do at town hall and what we try to accomplish which is yes. we whine yes we complain. yes, we report. yes, we pound on the table. we also like to say, okay. what can we learn from this? you know, what can what can we do moving forward? so i truly do appreciate that aspect of the book. um, but before we get to that tifa is a myth. is one of the is the second to last chapter that that's a quote directly from not just a congressman. but the chairman of the house judiciary committee jerry nadler antifa is a myth joe biden said that antifa is just an idea not an organization the director of the fbi christopher ray basically said the same thing i you spend a year with antifa. you saw it. is it tell me about this the idea that it's not that it's just an idea or or that it's a minute. what's it really is it it's a it's a right-wing boogeyman that stuck up there antifa doesn't really exist. it's a stupid idea that it's in it. i mean, it's it's so weird that that the democratic party and people within the media they they placate and and run cover for this group of people that hate them. because because antique like that like the radicals like i mean antifa or radicals are far left, they're like i said, it's like an anarchical communist type ideology. so they view the democratic party just as evil as republican party. they want to they they want to overthrow the us government now, i think a lot of them are harpers or you know want to be revolutionaries and they're not gonna actually do anything but that's what they believe. and so why would they want to again, just provide cover for this group that would just as happily put them up against the wall. as as opposed to you know, so i i don't i can't i don't know why you have asked them. but even when you do then they say well, it's just a minute. that's not really a thing, but i can tell you antifa's just very much anything and the chapter chapter 10. antifa smith is the shortest chapter. it's almost it's pretty much on purpose because it's it doesn't take a whole dissertation. it's not even more. it's not even worth a full explanation. it's like who the well it's just it's just antifa's real they have they they go by different names. they go by different groups, but they all operate in the same way. it was just and so therefore, you know, that's that's all there is to it. i mean that i mean it's as simple as that is that it's real. people who are saying it's not real or just dumb or will willfully lying. yes leading. but yeah, you've been covering by the way, so it's not that you've been covering quite a bit of what's going on on the border and this is not about the book specifically, but it's about you julion about what you do and and what your your passion is. odd, i've always had a soft spot. i i picked it up from andrew breitbart a soft spot for a members of the of minorities racial minorities ethnic minorities who don't march along as they're told and they actually started like you, you know, you look at at the reality of the situation in this country and you objectively look at it not through the lens of race, but through a lens of facts and fiction and so and and the reason i have a soft spot for people like you and carrot davis and and others is that you get the you bear the brunt of the worst. kind of attacks because you are a trader. we're told you know, i'd i'd love for you to sort of discuss the challenges you've had as a latin american a latino american covering the border crisis from the perspective that you have from a law and order perspective. well, it's not so much a challenge is just yet the problem with the reality of these of the situation whether it's at the border, which is a different version of lawlessness or very in your face lawlessness like the riots. it's just that it's all being done in the name of minority justice or you know, racial justice or immigration justice or what have you and when you look at the board crisis and they say well we're trying to do this a more safe humane way of immigration is no it's not because you're when you encourage people to come more people are gonna put theirs put themselves in the hands of cartels and human traffickers who who raped who who assault and rob these people and hold them hostage and i mean kill them because you know you who cares if you kill 10 of your customers because they're gonna be a hundred more than the next day, right? so on the flip side with the riots it was again. this was being done. well, it's a racial reckoning and the riots are the voice of the unheard and it's well, how can you say that? this is justice when a lot of people especially in south minneapolis. are minorities i mean minority own businesses and i mean, right how who's getting damaged here? who's getting now now what i will say the writers in los angeles and there weren't too many i mean rides that breakout shortly in may the writers have learned their lesson from from 92 from 1992 because instead of burning down south central los angeles and including those places. they went to santa monica. yeah and the richer places and ransacked that area because they they know that well if we burn down our own neighborhood, we're gonna be worse off that we were oh, yeah. they're pros in la they and so they they definitely learned their lesson from 1992, which i thought was pretty i was just i thought was kind of funny. yes also before you were born by the way, which was also before i was born. yes all four years. --, but no it's so it was it. but you know what i'm saying? well, you know what you think through a racial lens right and just it that's why when the jacob lake shooting happened and then if you view it through this blm lens like oh well, of course, it makes sense because they're just gonna shoot just aren't on black people right for no reason and hundreds of hundreds of day. then yeah, that's why then it's justified to take violent action against against whoever and just rampage throughout the streets. and and that's that's not a healthy way of looking at things but the irony of the of the criticism of of the specifically the border issue being a a racist issue and ethnic issue and anti latino issue is and i learned this from your reporting julio the majority of board of patrol agents are are latin american there could yeah, they're hispanic. um, they are the ones who have to bear the brunt of this. they're the ones who are in danger because of what's going on here. they're the ones who were being taxed the most because of these policies and then you see the women and the children who are exploited in the most devastating and violent ways who are living in horrid conditions on the border or in the shelters that are put up if you truly do care about the flight of of latin americans, you would actually want to call a halt these policies because it's americans who are suffering the most here because of the policies but because you dare to most of your sources from the border patrol, i'm guessing are our latin american hispanic officers who are saying you got to get this out because no one's reporting on it. why won't reveal my sources, but i will i will say that the your broader point was correct. yeah, and also who and who also suffers the most it's latino. it's mexicans on the mexican side of the border because i mean right it's their towns that have to take care of these people that are coming now by the thousands and waiting and all this other stuff. so, all right, it's all it doesn't make sense. it's all and and just because they say it's being done in the name of racial justice and all that that doesn't make it so as usual everyone can tell when i've got somebody on here that i like and i can talk to julio for hours and hours, but but i'm done because i gotta wake up early in the morning and we and we've gone through so much that's in the book, but sadly actually we've only scratched the surface. there's a hell of a lot in here. no one else has julio roses story on what the most important aspect 2020 was a huge year, but this probably was the most consequential chain chain of events. it was the prot. the blm protests of 2020 it's fiery, but mostly peaceful the 2020 riots and the gaslighting of america julio. congratulations on your facebook. congratulations on your great reporting and thank you not just for writing this and thank you for really, you know recording the truth and speaking the truth no matter where it takes you you follow the truth and we are proud to have you as part of our family at town hall. you're really incredible. so thank y my name is paul boga. i worked in. trade publishing for pretty much my entire life. i stepped down december and now i run a company called. bogart's public relations and i'm happy to be here and i am affectionately calling this panel. everything was fine until the pandemic when we all started questioning our existence. i hope you will join me in welcoming our esteemed panelists. alphabetically we're going to an alphabetical order jennifer enderlin has worked at saint saint martin's saint martin's publishing group for 29 years. she began her career in editorial.

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