Transcripts For CSPAN2 Jonah Goldberg At The National Conservative Student Conference 20170802

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i used to do these every summer and then i started going on so it was a long and generous introduction but those of you that heard me speak before. when the la times picked me up at the columnist, barbra streisand published her protest and in my line of work it doesn't get better than that and i thought i should retire on a high note. if i don't bring it up, who will. [laughter] i'm a little rusty these days working on a new book in my house so i'm a little off my game. it's entertaining and thoughtful and it's tough because that is a high bar to get it makes me feel like the guys that wants to be both a veterinarian and a taxidermist. i shouldn't do those jokes as some of you that follow me on twitter though i am a huge dog guy. i love my wife and daughter but it's my dog that gets me out of bed every morning. [laughter] i know i don't have a huge amount of time, so [inaudible] [laughter] [applause] let's see if this enthusiasm remains through the whole thing. one of my favorite stories is a medical school professor that teaches anatomy and walked into one of the auditoriums and he wants to be who has done the assigned reading for the night before. so he walks in and asks what organ of the human body when properly stimulated increases eight times in size and he looks at the seating chart and pics on a proper young lady in the back and says ms. smith. and she starts to blush and squirm for her seat. i can't answer a question like that. the professor says okay. he goes to the smartass in the front and says mr. jones. [laughter] and he says the pupil of the human eye when it goes from light to dark. the professor says that is correct. now ms. smith, i have three things to say to you. one, you didn't do your homework, number two, you have a filthy mind, and number three, you are destined to live a life of unfulfilled expectations. [laughter] i like that joke for a few reasons. first i think it's funny. it is lewd without crossing the line. it is scaramucci -esk. [laughter] but before i continue, the reason i like the joke is because it sort of gets in some ways to the heart of what it is to be a conservative. you are often let down by events beyond your control and even if it is within your control i should back up a second. i've been doing these things in one way or another since before you were not allowed to say yaf. it was like the other way around, and for a while there was the young america is for freedom into the young america's foundation and then there was the great schism fight someone said something that they couldn't take back and it just got ugly. [laughter] for years it was the young america's foundation that if you called it a yaf, you would get a glare. but now they have been rejoined. and it's all coming back so i've been doing this for a very long time. i think it is part of my job. william buckley believed in this and that you should go forth and cross ties and educate and help young conservatives where you can. i honestly believe, i wrote about it in the book i published that young conservatives tend to come out of college if they can keep their wits about them they tend to come out of college smarter and better equipped than smart young liberal kids. some conservatives are inherently smarter or anything like that it's just that the best learning is done through this method when you have your assumption question did first principles questioned and have to think it through you can be the smartest liberal kid on the college campus and all you do is hear your professors saying things you already agree with and you don't build up to the edge of the knife gets things, go with the flow, that's so conservatives can keep their principles and their wits about them come out smelling their arguments and that is a huge advantage in terms of numbers but a huge advantage that it puts out there. sorry i'm drinking so much wat water. i get this crazy dry mouth. [laughter] so anyway. i get forgetful. [laughter] under normal circumstances, i would have come here and let the redmeat flier like this that of the texas chainsaw massacre. but we are in a different moment in life and these are sort of different kinds. you are going to get enough of that i ensure the vice president that i admire and know a little bit that will tell you about the leadership. i'm sure that kelly and did a great job and is a speaker in all these other people did a great job taking the case for the administration and all that. that's sort of not why i am here today. some of you may know if you follow me at all donald trump was not my first choice in the primaries were my second choice in the primaries. he was right around the 17 mark in the primaries. [laughter] i wasn't going to endorse him or vote for him. i've lived in a swing state in ohio or something like that then i might have voted for him because it wouldn't matter. i've never lived anywhere but it wasn't seven to one. my vote doesn't matter. i don't care about my vote except in the theoretical. [laughter] i see things i don't believe and this is one of these fascinating things i've discovered. the most disappointing thing is for so many people have become disappointed in me that i didn't love down to their expectations. people thought i didn't like him in the primaries but now he's the nominee you have to support him and rally to him. i'm like no i don't. i think 90% of journalistic talk is to protect journalism schools and people who have swayed on their elbows when they want to go on and talk about journalism, but there's one thing that i believe truly in my heart that the vast bulk of journalism can be covered by the simple do not see things you do not believe to be true, and don't write them either. [applause] >> i'm not going to name names because some of these people are still friends of mine. don't get me wrong i would like to stay one but there are a lot of great people at fox particularly on the news side that i admire a great deal and then there are some other people. i've been amazed how many people will go out and say one thing with a little red light on top of the camera and when that little red light on the camera goes off there are people that have said to me, people that you have watched on tv that say when the light goes off, i can't believe i have to defend this guy into the short answer is, you don't. if you think the media is being too harsh, i am not a member of the resistance, either. like every time i hear some of these people talk, i want to smash their guitar against the wall. [laughter] the whole approach to donald trump from day number one has been donald trump puts salt on his french fries, hitler put salt on his french fries. [laughter] i don't do that either, but i'm not going to lie and i'm not going to support someone, i'm not going to say someone is doing great or is winning simply because that is the talking point of the day. and i'm not going to pretend that some of these things that come out of the president's mouth when you try to diagram the sentence is you fee easy lia patient wandering off into the snow are the height of the american rhetoric. so, my positioned in the campaign was this was a choice between two crab sandwiches on different kinds of thread. and i'm totally open to the argument that if you have to choose, you have to choose one. okay if i had to choose one i would choose one of them. it wouldn't be hillary that i wouldn't say that this is the best roast beef i've ever had. that's the distinction. [laughter] so anyway, i'm not a member of trump or part of the resistance and i will contest the day after the election, i thought i was incredibly happy, for a couple of reasons. one reason was hillary lost. [applause] [cheering] you can go back to aristotle. it is good when clinton's loose. [laughter] moreover, i thought that we could get in on this -- i still, with cover i never thought a trump presidency would end well but i do think we can get an enormous amount of stuff done before the wheels come off the bus. three. replace, that was awkward. [laughter] i was glad that the supreme court. she is a clear home run. i have significant but dwindling hope about tax reform, not just tax cuts for tax reform. some of the regular restarts but donald trump has done i'm all in favor of. so just being honest, he has been a better president than i anticipated so far. this is not a high bar. it like saying it's the best sushi in alabama. it's a standard but not a high standard. and full disclosure, i am not a fan of donald trump and he is not a fan of mine. he's tried to get me fired from national review, fox news. we have these really fascinating sort of dialogue is under. [laughter] there was at one point he talked to some local nbc reporter if she read an excerpt from the column i wrote in for the times and he said wait a second, i went to the best schools in the booschools andbuild this amazin. i've got this great brand, all these things. and he said and i have to take this from jonah goldberg, a guy that doesn't even know how to buy pants? [laughter] in my own rather personal privilege of responding, i have a team of interns at aei working around the clock with legal pads and trying to figure out what the hell that means. [laughter] because look, if i were light on a job interview, i wouldn't read it with my pants buying skills like i'm the greatest buyer of pants in the world. [laughter] but i know how. my wife doesn't it calls a couple times a month from the floor manager and home depot saying sorry, mrs. goldberg, but your husband is in the power tools section trying to buy pants and. [laughter] so i just want to get that out there. but here is the sort of larger point. william was the publisher of the national review, incredibly dignified and impressive guy, probably born in a pinstriped suit. he would take people your age or maybe a little older at the first job at the national review or internship at the national review and would pull them aside and say i've got to give you some advice. look, politicians will always disappoint you. if she wasn't saying that because he thought politicians were bad people. obviously some of them are. he was saying that because the nature of being a politician is different than the nature of being an idealistic ideologically committed young person working in a place like national review. so different from the kind of people that yaf attracts. and politicians interests are always going to be different. they really like winning the elections and they are going to do things that we are going to have problems with. the job of conservatives in the national review and the general to acknowledge this fact and figure out how far you can bend or adapt your principles to the reality and what lines he will not cross. the republican party never meant much to me and means nothing to be now. i've always been incredibly proud of calling myself a conservative. i've been doing -- i've been around conservatism in one way or another and working for it my entire life. i didn't pat buchanan [inaudible] ispeak toit will lead to all sod things. [laughter] but my point is i love conservatism. to me it is the most sincere form of patriotism. it's the end of the day conservatism. you are trying to preserve and extend into those things that make it this country a wonderful place. [applause] and if you believe in the principles sometimes you will have to be willing to endure the fact that they are unpopular. that doesn't make them wrong. pure democracy is a really crappy form of government and all pure democracy is the adoption of 61% of people get to be in the cornflakes and 49% of the people. and populism is the same thing. i do not like populism. long before when donald trump is giving monewas giving money to k schumer i was talking about how populism is dangerous. it is the idea that right and wrong is he arrived from the wheel of the mob, from the people and nothing else. there is no inherent principles that they are following other than of serving the will of the people. the people of nebraska are for free silver. i will lookup the arguments later that is not what conservatism is about. that's not libertarianism is about either. my view of it conservatism, i can do this with you guys all day long if you like. for me it all boils down to at the end of the day just two things at the metaphysical level. the importance of ideas and the importance of character, and that's it. you can talk about which ideas and argue about which ideas but that is part of it, arguments. what i love about conservatives is we are actually less dogmatic than people realize, because we love to argue about our dogma. i've been doing panels with conservatives and libertarians literally 25 years. dc is full of twentysomething i think the word in social science is the dorks who wear their ties -- the argue about how it's like dungeons and dragons geeks and all that kind of stuff. [laughter] i love that stuff and i think it is a hugely important thing. but, politics is a little different. politics, i couldn't run for office explaining why my platform is based on the fatal conceit. in politics you have to do something differently and biscuits to the larger point that i'm actually grateful to donald trump about. the last three or four presidential election cycles the primaries have basically been like this c-span version of the reenactment of the spartacus where everyone gets up on stage and says i am ronald reagan, no, i am ronald reagan. [laughter] [applause] i liked ronald reagan. what has two thumbs and thinks ronald reagan is often. this guy. he was put on this earth to do two things, chew gum and kick acid he ran out of town a down t 1974. [laughter] what people do not appreciate about ronald reagan was that she had principles, he was a conservative, he was also a really good politician and he understood how to talk to people and persuade them, and this is a huge part of the problem with conservatives. a lot of the campus speakers that conservatives bring to campus these days, under normal circumstances, historically i come to these things and i just become a sprinkler system of red meat, liberal tears are delicious and all that kind of stuff, find i get it. but there's a problem. the last decade or two it's got to the point you could make a good-lookingood living talking s that already agree with you. you can also win the republican nomination by talking to groups that already agree with you and what happens when you talk to the groups that already agree with you, you forget about persuasion. politics is about persuasion. go back to aristotle. it's all about convincing people in another coalition that their interests are better reflected in advance to your collection. it's about arguments, it's about making arguments and bringing people over. and when you go in front of the audience all you do is a clique of eight tv 56 click bait the persuade no one. people that are on the fence about an issue or pushed off to the other side when they account for some of these sort of shock artists. so what happens in the republican primaries? you have these guys going around listing thei their principals te and line the principles of god and claiming i am the purest, no, i am the purest. by definition you are freaking people out. ronald reagan used to say if you agree with me on seven out of ten issues you are my ally, not my enemy. now if you don't want to be with me 110% if it doesn't go to 11, then you are no good right now squish. [laughter] again as a conservative, i would love to have super majority of the conservatives out there but halfway sentient beings following politics i want more liberal republicans out there because a liberal republicans to vote for you. still votes for your speaker. a liberal republican still helps you get some legislation passed board and a conservative democrat will. if you want to throw the party -- [applause] and the hope is when you do that you can bring these people along. so what happened was they got to the point no one knew how to persuade anybody. it was all of the same bullet points. the responses to 90% of the republican presidential debate questions, then along comes donald trump like godzilla. [laughter] invitand i mean that seriously, figuratively but seriously. where are we supposed to take them seriously but not literally, that's how i mean it. if you're a student of the godzilla spoof as i am coming you might kno know the huge nums of the early godzilla movies it was like a cliché every single time the hapless japanese army thought i'd know what to do. i will lure him into fighting these electrical cables, the same strategy like shawls where they make loud noises and it comes over and bite the electrical cables and gets stronger and the japanese are like crap. that was donald trump in the primary. he would say things you're not supposed to say out loud nonetheless on the stage or in an interview. and it worked for him and i think one of the reasons is people have been so fed up with the focus group nonsense, this sort of cookie-cutter republican stuff into the one thing you can say is he doesn't sound like he got his answers from focus groups. i don't think that is an unfair characterization. you couldn't get a group of people to make some of that stuff up. so i'm grateful for that because he sort of cleared the field so we could build something new but in the meantime, we've got a problem because a huge chunk of the republican base and a large number of conservatives on campus as far as i can tell are starting to internalize a lot of this junk either out of the desire to send donald trump or two of another people and there's been a problem on college campuses for a long time. i hate political correctness. it is a hot mess and all sorts of marxism is older. but just simply the rudeness is politically incorrect doesn't mean conservatives should be embracing it and we see this on so many college campuses. [applause] i think it's pretty clear by now i'm not exactly like a prim and proper. i've been writing about women's prison movies for a long time. anyway, my point is i am not a prude about these kind of things but when you start defending rudeness have proved this as if they are advanced of the principles it basically is declaring you are giving up on the conservative principles and there are so many people that are so uptight about public cursing and all this kind of thing but you know a lot of the talk radio hosts and former republican officials who in the past got upset about bad lyrics involve this kind of stuff. .. >> they said this is a problem, that intellectuals have this capacity to defend bad things when powerful people do them. today, the castro, stalin, you go down the list and you can find hundreds or thousands of apologists in the west who say he's a man of will and strength. they don't care that they murder that's a people. donald trump is not murdered anybody, but there's this tendency, you see it all over to say we don't really care anymore about those principles are donald trump prove that the american voters doesn't care about those things were just can move on. my answer to that is, go to hell. were not going to move on. if you believe these things with it was convenient to believe them a really tell me you held your principal so cheaply that one election to defend this guy is going to cause you to abandon them. and the answer from a lot of people is yes. i find it incredibly disappointing. if you actually believe on what you believe he should hold on for a little while that's a place we are in these days. you probably wrap this up so we have time for q&a. because, the pot is starting to wear off. and i've been -- i have zero problems have an a transactional relationship with the president. the relationship conservative has had, this idea of will support you on this if you support us on that. i think conservatives got too close to the bush administration during the war. there were reasons for, wartime president and his critics are being so unfair that they felt the fact that he was spending money with a pimp because this larger, more important imperative was at work. i get that. but, conservatives should not place all of their hopes in any politician, go back and read the founders and the federalist papers. they said over and over, you should have a healthy distrust of any political leader, particularly the ones that seem to be speaking for you. i tried this. it's hard in my line of work. i have friends that love to go and have lunches, dinners and drinks with politicians. i try hard not to do that. just as a matter policy because friendship can be corrupting if you becomes friends with somebody it's much harder to tell the truth about them. my attitude has been like a research scientist with a lab animal. you don't want to get too attached. it's easier to stick a needle in the test subject then in . same thing with politicians. for the most part i try to stay with from politicians. the job at the end of the day for conservatives is not to elections. and never has been. the job for conservatives is to move this country and direction where it is in the self-interest of politicians to be conservative. that's a big difference. [applause] i think for your own help to look from politicians, ideological consistency in principle and all that stuff is great, but there should be, like reagan a good politician. you know it made regular good politician? the kind of how to tell a story. the human mind the human brain evolved to understand think through stories. we did learn how to read until like 10000 years ago. most history was remembered and song her story. every important lesson in your life comes with the story attached to it. there's a great story about ronald reagan been visited by george scholz. he worked in the reagan administration scholz wanted him to take a look at a speech reagan redden said this is good. it's not the speech out there, but it's good. he says here's what i would do, i would go fact, fact, argument story. fact, fact, argument, story. that's how you convince people that they can relate to through stories and jokes. i wasn't always this jokey guy, i have a very strong dirty tendencies. but i learned that a lot of conservatives cannot tell jokes which i think is weird. i also learned that when you talk to liberal groups, if you can make fun of yourself makes it harder for them to hate you unless you give them a good reason. also runs against the stereotype of conservatives that we need a truckload of -- just to crack a smile. so i'm saying, is learn how to tell stories. most of you want to go into something related to conservatism, there's a reason why you are here. you take something away from my talk today is simply this, learn how to persuade people that don't already agree with you. learn how to make arguments to people bring people to your fold rather than scare them away. it's easy to be a shock artist. right now there are things i could do that would shock you. but they would not persuade you of anything. at the same time, and this is advice he been getting for years, have fun doing it. couple reasons. conservatives actually have more fun, they're happy about their lives, if they don't have these messy expectations about government, and life is too short to do stuff that makes you miserable. redoing some mimics miserable, stop doing it. and the third, there's nothing better. the left more than a conservative who is enjoying himself. happiness is its own best offense. lastly, be happy because you should be happy warriors. the system that we live under is flawed and damaged the stuff going on now is still remains the greatest system ever conceived of for maximizing human happiness. [applause] people ask why is there poverty. we know why. poverty is a factory preset of the human condition. we are all born naked, penniless, ignorant and poor. there's only one answer, the only important question is, why is there wealth. there's only one answer. this is amazing revolution is expanded by the american revolution, it unfolds through the civil war. transforms the world. and it all comes from basic principles our rights come from god not government. that the individual sovereign, where citizens not subjects. from the close all human liberty, prosperity for the last 10000 years. that's a good site to be on. we should be proud of it. be happy warriors. if you outnumber or see her party going another way, don't give into it, fight. they said there's no such thing as a truly lost cause. the only way the clock cause dies is if people start believing in it. sometimes if you outnumber that makes it more fun. be the number of the few, it's no fun to go into a room and shout to a bunch of people who are ready agree with you. when some battles, enjoy yourself and fight for the right cause. thank you. [applause] >> will do q&a. just ask that you make your statements in the form of a question. >> how do you believe, do believe that the conservative party was being properly represented in mainstream news india today? if not, how can it be improved? >> no. conservatives have never been pretrade well in the news media. the idea that they ever were is a product of nostalgia, not fact. in 1964 daniel sure, the cbs evening news correspondent reported that barry goldwater's planned vacation to europe was a clandestine and effort to meet up with neil and see elements in germany so they could chordate the fall campaign. this is what social scientists call a huge lie. this stuff has been common in the media for a long time. the answer has always been the same, it has a more diverse media diets is the only real solution for. in some ways i think they're bad stuff going on in the media, it's also the most exciting time in the history of journalism for young people to break into media. there opportunities you can do on the iphone that used to take a camera crew in ten years to do. the only downside is it's hard to figure out how to get paid for it. but we will figure that part out. i argue american media is turning back to what it was prior to the new deal. it's a partisan press from many different perspectives, there's nothing wrong with that, this ways named in europe. in europe you have the london times which is conservative, the telegraph which is moderately conservative, not that they're bad newspapers but you know where they're coming from. one of the things the times and the posters done that has been good as they been a little more honest of where they're coming from. one thing you should into get all your news from any one source. i say that is a guy at fox news. don't to that. figure out a good diet of how to keep it diverse. otherwise you get more polarization for people cannot imagine that other people don't see the same facts the same way. that's how were start. >> before i begin my question i just like to say that all the students go subscribe to the g file. you can thank me later. you will not regret it. so my name is noah thompson, i'm student, and like to ask a question about william f buckley. so buckley is famous for uniting the conservative movement in the 1950s. today the gop is deeply divided. there's a battle between traditional conservatism and populous conservatism. the conservative movement : a sensitive and 50s? what you think buckley would've done? in other words as bill clinton said to the intern, can we do this together baby? left back. [laughter] i'm not going to get baited into a race to the bottom of internship jokes while the race to the bottom jokes while the race to the bottom i get the gist of the question. there some things that are overlooked. one, one of the things bill buckley did unify conservatism with keep a lot of people out of conservatism. the fights were real struggles, one of the reasons people don't understand bill buckley's influence look national review is my home. but the tv show he did was the longest-running public affairs show in america for a long time. this is a time when they wanted to make george wallace the symbol of what it meant to be a conservative. this racist, cranky populous guy. here comes buckley's latin ponds and quotes and he blew away the most educated and sophisticated mass of the left at their own game. and that did enormous good for the brand. it is not the approach of many of the people, many of the conservatives who have regular television shows now. we could use more of that. at the same time, bill buckley could kick people out of the conservative movement in a way they can to today. one thing the internet has to stop at the gate keepers are gonna set the walls on either side of gates are gone. used to be the bill buckley said you are beyond the pale into extreme, where we can go. there's no internet, you're going to get on the three or four television channels, you're basically locked out. there are lots of things to be thankful for that that world is gone because liberals are getting back to the other question, the establishment liberal got control of the message americans got. on the downside, it makes it more difficult to please your own site. everybody gets to be on twitter. everybody gets to stay something stupid on twitter. so you get this incredible -- a man can be a failure takes a drink and become a failure become more of a failure because he drinks. the singer people says something stupid on twitter and the other side pickup that had said this is what the enemy is like an there's a huge fight everyone gets defined by the stupidest people. my college has always said when he tried to do this he tried to take on liberalism best arguments not the worst ones. one of the things i think could help you in your fight on college campuses is to stop looking to win the easiest argument by picking the weakest link in the chain and saying this proves all of those are stupid. pick the strongest length and has arguments. will make you smarter this more intellectually serious way to have an argument. i could argue was sally kohn all day. i can also shave my face off with a cheese grater. some things are not worth the time. so, have no problem with populist and conservatism assizes conservatism. if you've ever wore george nash's history of the movement there's a debate within conservatism forever i think you can have both as long as it's defined by conservatism. limited government conservatism. we don't hear a lot about it from self-described nationalists. we hear something else. perfectionism is an conservatism from a nationalism is in conservativism. i think it will be a much harder cast to unified the tribes. i think liberalism has huge problems on this front. we me may be right for mccrone type a guy coming on a white horse out of nowhere that destroys both parties. elements of that would make me happy. elements that make me want to put the safety of my rifle. the simple fact that times have changed and will melt buckley does not appeal the way wednesday. the tools he had done exist with a once stood. >> i'm from washington state university. the nationalist influencer populist influence conservative movement now what people refer to as a new right one of the things that they're characterized by is more efficient uses of social media format. how do you think more traditional intellectual us this is an old story, in my lifetime alone i think they're a bit for new rights. just go to your card catalog and look up books about the new right and their talk about nine different new rights. going back to the old right which actually did not exist. but it's also an old story because we have been locked out of the elite mainstream media channels largely out of universities and the rest. conservatives are very much like the porn industry. they're incredibly good at adopting new technology and communication, direct mail, vcr, dvds, and talk radio, conservatives have found ways to work around the mainstream media because they have to. so that doesn't surprise me the nationalist types are doing that because they have to work around the elite establishments as well. it's a policy of not inclined to change. this is something that every magazine, every television network is scrambling with about how to social media better. and all the rest. i don't have any great ideas. i've organized my professional life around not being an early adopter of this stuff and i want to write. that's what i like doing. and i like playing with dogs. that's about it, and drinking brown liquor. so doing long sessions about sco about facebook which i think is scenes journal, is not my thing. lots of people are thinking about it. it doesn't surprise me that the outsiders have taken to more because they have to. in the same time, the more they try to be establishment venues they run into other problems. at the end of the day ideas and arguments carry you forward and they bump up into arguments. they're not great at actually winning arguments. you haven't seen a lot of trump copycats when any primaries. when any political contest. having seen good intellectual magazines and other outlets embrace trump is on to closely as part of the problem is that you'll get whiplash. have to stay at 30,000 feet and say they believe in the idea of trump is on. but there's a long-winded. >> good afternoon. my name is kalin. i'll be a rising freshman. i would like to thank you for the dead jokes. at 3:00 o'clock in the afternoon there highly appreciated. my question is, looking at the rising new faces of right-wing media among twentysomethings and going off this last question, how do we, the next generation of conservatives want to be in journalism and media have integrity and don't say or write what you don't believe overseeing those before us use young people for the clicks, the views in their own game without representing? >> and another time i'll give another talk about this and have a better answer again, i've been doing this i came to national review in late 98. as a freelance writer before that. i've worked in the same building with a weekly started. my dad was in editor. i've been around this for a long time. first of all, lasting success comes from maintaining your integrity. it is really easy, and i can't say how often my friends and colleagues from national review will see some person to merge is the new high in the there will be a big deal and maybe have some to be success for you to success it goes in their head and everybody is thinking this guy or this girl is the future. six months later you're wondering who that person was. the hardest thing in this line of work to get the ideological part, it's grinding it out to you by day. this is a point that i think is important about your career, whatever career you want to do, you have to like it. there's some people get fulfillment in life from stuff they do outside work and they just want to work to pay for that. that's fine. that's honorable. in some ways it's healthier. but if you going to journalism you have to like it. they'd say you know before you get into what school painting you want to do you have to like smoosh in the paint. you have to like the smell of it in the morning, you just have to like it. i loved it when my career was like this. i could tell chicks that i work for pbs. and i traveled around the world went to asia, is really cool. until the learning curve came off and i thought this wasn't for me, it's too much management. too many variables to deal with. i like writing because i'm responsible for what's on the page. i could stepping on tv tomorrow. i couldn't stop writing. what i really want to do is write science fiction comic books but i need more money. integrity is more important than big success. certainly more important than temporary fleeting success. you also have to figure out what kind of person you want to be, to be a type of person that people take seriously in respect you want to be someone who has blonde hair who gets to be on the view but nobody takes very seriously. quality will out over the end. the great thing about it is in the end, you can look back at the things he did and have a greater measure of pride. you really want to be in journalism one of the first things you should try to not to is try to be like me. coming credibly self-indulgent. i have an imaginary talking couch in my goldberg file thing. i write about my dog and tweet about my dog all of the time. i get away with it, shooting, screw them. if you're just getting out of college, don't share with the world all your deepest feelings or tell them why you have this unique insight. report facts, make arguments, but the quality of the subject matter drive you. when you build up some reputation you can start following my stuff. thank you very much. [applause] [applause] >> c-span's "washington journal", live every day with new some policy issues that impact too. coming up on wednesday morning, discussion on efforts to stabilize various affordable healthcare insurance markets, with aei healthcare scholar and project director at georgetown university center on health insurance reforms. and delphine, recently elected national commander of the disabled. >> american veterans talks about healthcare and issues affecting veterans. rely beginning 70 eastern on wednesday morning. during the discussion. >> at the u.s. institute of peace in washington d.c., i regulators talked about th

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