>> bob: 2-2 again. %%- big ook. j.d. martin with a knee buckler for his fourth strikeout. >> rob: right there you see him pull the string, go right elbow, over the left knee, follow through, and venebl has no chance. >> bob: fastball for a strike to headley. that was a power curveball, the pitch track. nick conley coming up with two outs. it's just the 8:00 hour here in san diego. thanks for staying up with us on masn 2. the nats are trying to draw back even in the series tonight, but runs are hard to come by here. and for some reason, the paw trays have just mastered -- padres have just mastered the nationals over the five-year life of our franchise. 1-5 in '05 and '06. 1-5 again last year. 2-2 so far this year. zimmerman dives, and he can't come up with it cleanly, and a base hit all the way for nick huntley, giving him a 9-game hitting streak. >> rob: we're surprised when ryan doesn't make a play like this. >> rob: well, that ball just gets up on him a little quicker than he expected,,just gets by him. you see the to ball squirt free, and he knew it was going to be tough anyway. hunley has fallen out of the box. short lead by the catcher. 3-0. and martin may be sort of pitching around the number 8 hitter again. >> rob: is unintentional intentional walk right here. see if he'll chase something, maybe ground out. throw him a strike, hopefully he's taking, and now throw him another ball and see if you can get him to go fishing. >> bob: with the runner moving, ball 4. >> rob: wasn't biting. >> bob: third walk, and clayton richards, the pitcher coming up. national league record fielding percentage by a third baseman, was it robin ventura, schmitt, vinny castillo. oh, man. i'm starting to learn that you have to go with the least obvious. >> rob: well, and yet not many balls probably hit on the ground in colorado to castillo. >> bob: and i guarantee you he didn't get to as many balls as some of those other guys. >> rob: exactly. wow. >> bob: are we rationalizing our bad guesses properly here. >> rob: yes, we're trying to justify it to ourss. >> bob: that's a two-hopper for pete orr. j.d. martin has been solid through four. he'll bat after bard and orr in the top of the 5th. pa announcer: final boarding call... all passenger.. each with an average speed of 590 mph... almost as fast as you. nothing's gonna hold you down. grab your bag . it's on™west so our low fares stay low. 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in he's pretty impresencive. i've never really caught anyone live him. i grew up with the guy and caught him my previous two years, though, and was watching him grow and get better every year, was really exciting. >> and addison, you're the closer for the aztecs, you got to close about 20 of the saves you got this year with strasberg. fireballer? >> he is. i'm trying to work my way up to that level, but as of right now, he's the main fireballer. >> you quote to talk to him today. how is he do something >> he's doing good. he's up in florida right now doing his thing, working out. he's in the instructional league, just hanging out, working out. trying to fill all of the free time he has right now until the hard work starts coming along, but as of right now, he's just going to be the filed, doing his thing for a couple of hours, and then relaxing. >> bob: thanks, addison. >> i'm just wondering how many times addison even had to close out a game stephen strasberg pitched. >> rob: third bunt in two games by cabrera. no need to tell you how annoying that is for me. that's the only way that guy can get on. there's ways to stop him from bunting. but that ball should have been fielded by j.d. martin. he was in good position, he just didn't make the play. now he's in big trouble here with middle of the order coming up, eckstein, and then the big hammer gonzalez, and you have no outs. he's going to push a, but. he's looking for a hit. martin didn't throw it to orr. he wasn't at the bag yet, but he was in motion to receive a throw. >> bob: when you're not scoring runs, everything is magnified on the defensive side. gonzalez, dunn, great throw to him. well thrown by adam dunn. probably the best play he's made to his right as a first baseman. >> rob: well, the more comfortable he gets, the more he just reacts toty ball as an at light. throws the perfect strike to j.d. martin. j.d. alertly checking cabrera at third. the way they teach you. you make the play first. check the runner coming around third, because he may keep running and go all the way to home. you can't, you know, take your eye off of that guy, and assume that he's going to just stop at third. >> bob: no thought ofwalkingg kouzmanoff. kouzmanoff 1 for 2 with a double tonight. padres looking to double their lead here. that will be drilled to center on a hanging -- >> rob: go to third, go to third. >> bob: the padres do get that second run. and any runs in this inning will be unearned because of that error on the bunt. so those of you who saw the yankees beat baltimore 9-6, we come come you to san diego.    the paw trays just used error, base hunt hit and a sac fly to take a 2-0 lead here in the bottom of the 5th. martin for the nashs, clayton richard, shut out ball for the padres. the hitters, venable 1 for 2 with an rbi hit. j.d. mart were has had a big 12:00 to 6:00 hook going tonight. >> bob: tight zone out there tonight for bell. eckstein after his base hit at second, two outs. fastball, hit near the left field line. willingham in the corner, plenty of room to make the grab. an unearned run, justin maxwell straight ahead. the maryland product leading off for the nats. g $1dollars to ride in the bottom of the plane in the dark. no peanuts or nothin'. nd then if your bag wants to bring one of its little bag friends for company, they charge another $25. that's just plain mean. why do they hate your bags? 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>> rob: hey, the offense is still on vacation. bottom of the order coming up. . and cubes will take the walk. he's on. and dukes will take the walk. he's on. walk number two issued by clayton richard, who vases josh bard. well, april, and then actually three nine win months in a row. august by far the best. nats were hoping to win last night and salvage a winning record that month, but, hey, if you win 14 every month, you would have 70 by now. 30 games remaining including tonight, and the thats would have to win -- the nats would have to win 14 of those to both last year's total in wins. and is a disturbing nature is the nats record against the east. most of the games left against them, 13-34 in the division, one one series sprinkled in with the dodgers. they've got him picked off. 1-3-6-1, and elijah dallas-fort worth -- dukes on the bases this year has stolen two bases and been caught 10 times. 2 out of 12. >> rob: this should be a balk. you cannot deceive the runner and that's exactly what clayton richard did. i was told before the game that tony la russa was furious after he picked off a couple of cardinals in his last start. >> bob: oh, is this going to hurt, the pick off, because josh bard would have tied the game. a solo homer, his fourth of the year. could the timing of that base running play be any worse? where was elijah dukes going down by 2? >> rob: here is the pitch right here after the pick-off play, and down and in, that pitch goes out over the fence to die. a souvenir. >> bob: the nats will hit for pete orr against the left- hander here. >> bob: that's the hard effort hit ball i've ever seen josh bard crank out of any ballpark. left-hander joe thatcher, and the right-hander adam russell, and here comes bud black. now that morse has been announced, we maybe will see russell here. >> rob: i think bud black is not going to allow the kid to get this score tied up or get a loss. or else he's going to say -- yep, he's going to the bullpen. >> bob: unfortunate the nats should have tied this game. dukes picked off, a homer. it's 2-1 in the 7th. ♪ ♪ tell me who's watching. ♪ i always feel like somebody's watching me. ♪ (announcer) it's right here. it's easy.  . >> rob: we went back and looked at the tape, and eve though i consider that a balk move, he does do that little half stutter step. now, watch the half stutter step. he throws it there and then comes over to first base. you're not supposed to go past 45 degrees without going to home, and then the next pitch is a home run to josh bard. they're going to have to decide whether or not that's a balk move or he's changing his delivery to throw over to first. >> bob: willyharris. >> rob: he's a former quarterback, and used to throwing the defense offside. >> bob: he got zimmerman last night. russell got zimmerman last night on a ground ball in a one- batter appearance in the 7th. no balls and two strikes. bard's homer breaking a 12- inning scoreless streak in this series. he had 32 career home runs now 10 of them have come in this ballpark. >> rob: this is going to be 95 with some cheese right up under the hands. that will keep willie harris on his heels, keep him from trying to drive that pitch to left field. 3-8 to harris, on a pitch up and in, he drills it right at venable. the nats get a home we are be but it was solo shot. it's now a 2-1 game at the stretch in as is -- san diego. high cholesterol. you've taken steps to try and lower bo your numbers. but how close are you to your goals? 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he said randy jones. the fee was so tough he stayed left-handed against him, didn't switch over to right-handed. into we've heard of some hitters doing that against knuckleballers. >> rob: yeah, or great change- up guy. jamie moyer and guys of that ilk. >> rob: talk about respect for randy jones' change-up. >> bob: zimmerman 1 for 3 with a double. 2 for 7, pair of doubles in the series. and he's 1 rbi away from tying adam dunn for the team lead. big gap in left center. breaking ball, center cut. 1-1. >> rob: well, you kind of hope for a gapper right here by zim. hard to hit it out until you pull it to left field like bard did. nice to see him -- he and maxwell change poses here with two outs in the 8th inning. >> bob: they take that breaking ball little further away. >> rob: yeah, he took a little off of it. >> bob: and he might throw him another one. >> rob: looking fastball, fastball, when a guy throws as hard as greger son, and then he just pulls the string at about 80 miles an hour on the breaking ball. on a pump up, zimmerman gets it off the end of the bat, and they've done it again. the padres have. zimmerman robbed of two hits tonight by outfielders. this time tony gwynn. and then there is the voice-recognizing, text-out-loud-reading, turn-by-turn-direction-giving sync system... in the all-new ford taurus. sfx: ((sync beep)) please say a command. read message. highway 8 closed. update route. turn right on silver road. we speak car. we speak innovation. introducing the all-new taurus from ford. drive one. at some restaurants when you get boneless wings... what are you really paying for? 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tonight. clippard missing four in a row. that will bring in tony gwynn jr. who just made a fantastic defensive play on ryan zimmerman in center. i wrote in the blog today about livan hernandez, but also wrote that what the nationals saw in st. louis over the weekend with really good pitching and everything works off of that, if you play good defense while pitching well, you only need a couple of swings every night in timely fashion to win a ball game. that's what the padres did last night. that's what they've done tonight, and it's what st. louis did to the nats over the weekend. >> rob: well, you see the great catch right there by tony gwynn. will venable has done the same tonight to rob nationals of hits. but also you give credit to the pitchers, and j.d. is martin tonight and clayton richard, i mine, this game is just, what, 2 hours and 10 minutes old. up tempo, keeping the defense involved in the game, on the balls of their feet, they can help you an awful lot if you let them. >> bob: change-up just missing. >> rob: you start dragging out at bats, going into deep counts and putting your defense to sleep, very difficult to stay sharp behind you. >> bob: they're still plugging away in florida. top of the 8th there. that had to be close to a three- hour or more rain delay. and the braves lead the marlins 3-2. phillies won their game tonight. 3-1. and another two-out walk to the 7 hitter and the 8 hitter, and now the padres can pin. hit, and every time they pinch hit now, you start holding your breath. outfielder drew macias will step in. >> rob: well, steve is going to go out and try to settle him down. he's obviously trying to to overthrow, and he's messing his mechanics up a little bit, and when you try to muscle the ball, actually you've seen the speed go from 93 miles an hour down to 86. you can't over power a fastball. it has to be fluid, easy, conference call, and the ball will jump out of your hand. so kind of less is more.    that one is just fouled, the line. >> rob: actually got the bat head out there so fast. two walks and another long count. gwynn at first, hundley ahead of him. a base hit here would be a backbreaker. right up the middle it goes. maxwell launches one home, off line, and the padres lead 4-1. >> rob: there's achange-up. >> bob: and a big curveball popped into center to be justin maxwell. damaging run, two walks and a base hit. dunn, willingham and dukes, and the nats are down by 3.    . >> bob: adam dunn really tough stretch now. 0 for 2 with a walk tonight. 4 for his willingham n zone. just watch where catcher catches it. >> bob: yeah, and he should hear from the dugout on that. jim riggleman is all overrule wally bell, and he should be. >> rob: well, he's been inconsistent at best all night. >> bob: but this is the 9th inning. >> rob: yeah, i know it's two teams battling for last place in their divisions, but still a baseball gamthey deserve a strike zone just like the yankees and the red sox and the phillies and cardinals do. >> rob: exactly. can't mail it in, even if you'repi, give your effort. >> bob: there goes a fastball by adam dunn, having a real contact problem these days. strikeout blmany people can cat up to to that pitch. especially where it is placed by heath bell. it definitely helps when your umpire is helping you out on your strike zone, and working you ahead in the strike zone to where you can move that pitch six inches off the plate. >> bob: willingham 0 for 3, thfe]keouts. by the way, we've solved the mystery of the birthday girl. mom e-mailed us back, it's amanda, happy birthday. number 21 tonight. glad you nats fans and amanda are up late with us. but just like you, we're waiting for offense that just is not here. 0-2 to josh. that ball slammed right off the gear of hundley. >> rob: sometimes it happens, you run into some buzz saws, and, you know, stouffer last night, and richard tonight, hitting their spots. they're fighting for a spot on this team for next year, also. livan hernandez, complete game on 90 pitches last night. j.d. martin, three runs. maybe threw a few extra pitches than he should have. could have stayed if the game a little longer. >> bob: hurt himself with an error. >> bob: gave up the long ball on one bad pitch. it's gonna happen. can't score 7 every night. >> bob: boy, 3 or 4 sounds real good right now. they missed each other by an inning last night, willingham struck out in the 8th. >> rob: i would like to see him get ahold of one of these fastballs and launch it. >> bob: hard to centary pitch like that. all tow tonight has been a different night here, because all day long and into the evening, the skies were clear. >> rob: when you're up three runs and throwing 95, curveballs, let's go easy, challenge somebody here. >> bob: i love it when you pinch jockey guys from the booth. i want to see in josh willingham can hit my best pitch. so i'm going to throw it as best as i can. >> bob: so you will be stunned if this is not a 3-2 fastball. >> rob: no, i won't be stunned. this guy has thrown four straight curveballs. like we used to say, if you're scared, get a dog. you throw 95, you're up three runs here, one out, 9th inning, what are you doing nibbling around with a curveball? >> bob: creating extra work. yeah, a yacker. four strikeouts for willingham tonight, and six ks for josh in 8 at bats in san diego. >> rob: well, sometimes you just measure yourself, and three runs, you have to strike out with three good breaking balls, whatever. >> bob: here is dukes. bouncing ball. kouzmanoff, the guy never makes an error, and the padres beat the nats again. two ask a honestly hour ball game. and tonight the verdict is 4-1, as washington gets only four hits. we're back with more in a minute from san diego. it's... no, not yet. it back that way. it's on. ( ding ) book now at southwest.com. what's happened to the bats, phil? >> missing is action. the offense, last couple of days anyway. tonight was like same strip, different day from last night, but another quality start by j.d. martin. >> we will try to break it down for you, give you some answers, see if we can find out some. let's go back san diego with bob and with rob. >> bob: nationals drop it 4-1, and it's a 2-6 road trip with five consecutive losses for the nats. let's look at our ford drive of the game. back in the 7th inning, josh bard goes down and gets one, but dukes had been picked off, and bard's 32nd career home run, 10 of which have been in this ballpark as he used to play here. the final, pads4, nats 1. joins wednesday, day game, masn 2. nats and padres continue this series, and we get you going at 3:00 with nats extra. visit masn sports.com for all of the latest news on the nationals. this has been a presentation of masn. stay tuned. nats extra coming up right now, and from the booth in san diego, so long for just a while. well, the national hitting problems continue tonight in san diego, 4-1 the final. next half hour, we'll try to give you some answers, if we can come up with some, as to what's happened to this national offense. are the getting the pitching, phil, but just not getting the hitting. >> rob: outstanding effort toronto by j.d. martin, but unfortunately it was j.d.'s own feeding mishap that led to the go ahead run. >> defining moment in this ball game. the bunt, and this is where it all starts right here. >> cabrera ladens fairly rue attain bunt. not a lot of top spin on the ball, but martin takes his eye off the ball, goes off his glove, and then orr slow to getting to cover the next hit, and the padres are up at that point by a score of 2-0, and two runs was all they needed to win this ball game. >> the last four ball games for the nationals, you see the line score, the nats have scored 21 -- the nats have given up 21 runs and scored only 9, and if three consecutive ball games now, phil, they jump .been able to put across the runs. >> rob: >> well, tonight they made clayton richard look like sandy koufax. he was outstanding tonight. heath bell gets his 33rd save, but j.d. martin tonight threw 21 of 27 first pitch strikes. he pitched six complete, came on and pitched through one pitch in the 7th inning, which he allowed the pinch hit home run by salazar, but again, it's a good start by martin, and he just got new offensive support tonight, and as we look at this ball club preparing for 2007, getting september underway, the callups from syracuse won't happen for another week or so at this point in time, johnny, so guys live martin are going to trusted with some additional innings this month. i think idea is j.d. is a guy who has paid his dues in the minor leagues, took a little longer to get up to the major leagues, and he is showing he's an overachieve every. he competes, and tonight kept his club in the game. >> don't wriggleman gave j.d. another batter to see what happened. >> well, what happened there, he might have come to bat in the bottom -- or in the top of the inning, top of the 7th inning, and had he come to bat, he would have been batted for, would have been out of the ball game, so they sent him out there one additional inning, turned out just one additional pitch, as oscar salazar comes off the bench, pinch hit home run, first pitch he throws, and martin knew it was gone from the moment he saw the ball leave the bat. first row, but first row still counts as a round tripper. so salazar who has been a major contributor to the padres since he came over, started the year with the orioles, and was traded about a month ago, plays very well, can play all of the infield and outfield positions. of course made the catch last night. >> san diego tonight, as you saw here on masn, made some tremendous defensive plays, which we'll show you later on. those fees are diving and sliding and coming up with the ball left and right. >> it's a good defensive club. they are still under 500, and coming off last season where they had a very down year, and the idea they would trade jake peevey, despite the fact that peevey was hurt this year, bust still would control his contract for another year or so anyway, but i think they decided the amount of money owed to jake peevey was more than they wanted to pay. >> let's go back out to san diego and bob is out there with rob. we saw tonight through the first four or five inning, six innings, a pretty good pitchers due ill between these two guys. >> bob: almost every ball game, every night, johnny, is starting to shape up like that. the nats bats are quiet. the starters, as we chronicled, have been pretty solid lately, and j.d. mart were joins that list. >> rob: well, and you know what? before this j.d. martin was getting an awful lot of run support, but occasionally a guy is going to throw out a shutout against you, he's going to throw gems, and you're not going to get a lot of run support. today martin had it working, so kids richard, the backup quarterback in college. he came out firing. he was brought over with to the peevey trade. had a great night tonight, and really quieted the pats of the nationals. j.d. martin was almost up to the task. bottom line is that clayton richard had a better night, didn't give up as many runs, and he comes out with the victory, but you look at some of these starts, guys, and you can't blame the offensive and say the offense isn't getting you runs. there are some nights you have to throw some shutouts at this level, and we have one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball statistically, and they can't score you search runs every night, so we have to have a guy every now and then throw a shutout. that's what pitching is at the major league level. >> bob: rob, here we are first of september, this is a time of year traditionally where second division ball clubs are almost auditioning guys for next season, and looking at martin's last two starts, he's got to figure into this starting rotation come next march. >> rob: i don't agree with that. i mean, i think,y, they're auditions, but, you know, it's a last place or a last, you know, position in the major league's pitching staff. so i don't know how many jobs will be open, but as far as being 41 games under .500, this isn't the pitching staff you're going to leave spring training with next year. there will be a lot of moves made. you're going to see more veteran pitchers. you're not going to carry 4 young pitchers the year, physical you want to lose close to a hundred games next year. so, yeah, some of these guys are auditions, bit i think there will be some moves have to be made to upgrade this pitching staff. >> interesting, too, rob, that the best two performances on this pitching staff the last week or so has come from livan hernandez, who he just joined the ball club. >> rob: well, and he knows how to manipulate the strike zone, and add and subtract to his pitches. doesn't break 87 miles an hour, but he also can move the ball down to 63 to 65 miles an hour, so it's really that 15 to 20 mile an hour differential, and he throws things on the outer circle. when you have basically let me just show you real quick, once you get in that circle, get ahead, get out of the circle, and two many of our guys, when they get ahead, whether it's 1- 2, 0-2, consistently throw breaking balls back into in to the hitting zone, and they get whacked, and you have to learn you can throw three curb balls after you get ahead, and three all three out of that circumstance until the dirt, and get a guy to ground ball or get a strikeout, and we have two many guys throwing too many strikes in that zone, and, you know, too many hittable pitches, and lately, yeah, guys have been pitching very well, but when you look at the final statistics, and you have an era, maybe 4 or 5, that's just not good enough for this level. >> but you no something, there's always tomorrow, isn't there? there's going to be one more game tomorrow before you come home and enjoy that thursday day off. >> rob: all right. you always have a chance to redeem yourself. >> bob: i've said that more than one occasion this year, and so have you, right? thank you, rob. we continue to say that, there's always another game coming up tomorrow. j.d. martin, he was pretty good tonight. in fact, he was better than pretty good. got into trouble early, but then worked his way out, gave up only, what, five hits for the ball game? >> yeah, buttion what? he had the fielding glitch there in the second inning, kouzmanoff doubles to center, venable singles, that score this run. now, he did have the curveball working pretty well tonight, and that's why i still think he's a back end of the rotation time for next season. hundley strikes out swinging, cabrera in the third inning. venable strikes out on the breaking wall in the fourth. headley strikes out on the fastball in the 4th inning. sixth inning, here is the bunt. he can't handle the bunt. >> should have. >> she should are. cabrera reaches first. another bunt. he steals the ball, but stunt reach the bag quite in time, and he stunt get a real handle on throwing the the baseball anyway. sacrifice fly to center, that scores cabrera, and then oscar salazar hits it into the first row in left center field, and at that point in time, it's 3- 1. the padres got another run off clippard later on, and it's a loss. it's a loss, but it's a quality start. >> rob: j.d. goes six, gives up five hits, only a couple of earned runs, walked three, struck out five. takes the loss, and now he's 3- 4. we'll come back and continue, and talk about the padres starting pitcher. clayton richard, he had a pretty good ball game tonight, and san diego takes it by a score of 4-1. they're now up 2- 0. geico's been saving people money on car insurance for over 70 years. and who doesn't want value for their dollar? 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well, you don't know, because if he was at second base, chances are his pitch selection throwing to bard mate might have been different, so there's no way of knowing how that might have turned out, but obviously it tends to make the base runner look like the guilty party, but let's be honest here, elijah this year has had some adventures on the base path. he has either been picked off or caught stealing 10 times, has two stolen bases. >> and maxwell tonight re- called yesterday from syracuse. 0 for 3. alberto gonzalez a base hit, zimmerman a base hit. elijah dukes and the home run from josh bard. that was it for the nationals. dunn 0 for 3, willingham 0 for 4, and j.d. martin and pete orr were also hitless. to talk about someone being consistent, we have to go back to elijah again, at the plate, he's been coming through nicely. >> well within on this road trip in particular, me has hit the ball particularly well. infield hit, and he ends up taking second base pawn the error by the shortstop on the throw. but he gets down that first base line quickly. i mean, he's got good speed. he has not, though, been a very effective base stealer since he came up to the major leagues, but that's something he can work on. >> on the road trip, a .423 average for elijah. six rbis, thanks to that home run, a grand slam, and an on base percentage of .545. you know that elijah learned a few things down at syracuse, as did justin maxwell, who tonight, it was his inning, back in, what, the 7th inning, when he made all three of the outs? >> right. at this point in time, 6th inning, first out, fly bull to center. he covers some ground, covers a lot of ground, catches that ball if right cent i, heads back to right center again, makes all three putouts in the 6th inning, and at that point in time, i think you would have seen the padres were kind of centering the ball on martin at that point in time, but as we talked about earlier, rather than take him out at that point, let him go back out in the 7th inning when he gave up the home run to salazar, but it was one of those nights where maxwell got to lead off, did a good job in center field. but we know he can play center field. we know maxwell is a major league defensive player. it's the bat that's been in question. >> and he did put the bat on the ball a couple of times. >> right, bust the idea that the last month or so in syracuse, he was working on shortening his stroke, not striking out as much, and obviously if he continues to put the ball in play, some will start to fall in he. >> tomorrow you put the ace on the mound, trying to snap the slide, and he'll be going to the hill starting at 3:00. 3:30 tomorrow. we'll be pack with more after this. if you're like a lot of people, you have high blood pressure... and you have high cholesterol. you've taken steps to try and lower both your numbers. but how close are you to your goals? 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(announcer) only at&t's family talk with rollover saves your family's unused minutes. and saving minutes saves money. for back to school, get the lg neon for $29.99 after mail-in rebate. welcome back, everybody. big guy for cole hamels up in philadelphia as they host the san francisco giants. no score, ryan howard doubles off sanchez, scoring shane victorino, 1-0 phillies. that run proves to be vital as cole hamels dominates. top of the 9th score, 1-0. hamels strikes out molina, and then renteria pops up, and that's your game. gets the complete game shutout, allowing two hits, walks only one, strikes out nine, lead this phillies to a 1-0 win, and is now 8-8 on the year, and the nationals will probably see him next week when philadelphia comes to town at nationals park. back too san diego. jim riggleman discussing the nationals offense or lack thereof. >> yeah, you know, i don't really ever put numbers in my head what we scored such and such inning, so that's news to me what you're just saying, i just know we're either hitting or not hitting, and right now we're not hitting, so we just have to win the game the other way, you know, you have to find another way to win the ball game, and part of it is that they really played good. you know, they made plays all over the field again tone. they robbed our guys from hits all night, which, you know, stopping rallies, and it allows them to get into their bullpen just where they want it, with gregerson and bell, so, you know, a great ball game by them. we just didn't hit. we played okay, but, you know, cabrera and eckstein caused a little havoc with one inning put something bunts down, but we just -- it was just a little matter of they hit a little more than we did. neither team hit a lot, but they did a little more than us. >> j.d. did pretty good. do you think that was one of the turning points, that error? >> well, that -- the ball that he didn't field back that cabrera bunted, that started the problem, but eckstein's ball, that's just a great bunt. you know, if you can bunt a ball over there toward the first base line, you know, that's kind of what we're -- that's the next step for a guy like nyjer morgan and willie harris, you know, those guys. if they can put a bunt over there on that first base line, it's really a tough play for the pitcher and the first baseman, second baseman to get an out. so he he doesn't do that in cabrera is not on base. once cabrera is on, it leaves that opposite there for eckstein to do that, so, yeah, not fielding the bunt was a big play. >> the pickoff and the home run right after that, how big of a turn was that not to have that extra run? >> you know, you never know how somebody pitches in a different situation. you don't know that you're going to get that home run, if we weren't picked off, but you can't get pick. ed off either way, you know, whether it's a tie game, or, you know, the issue you is getting picked off. it's not the fact that we had a home run afterwards. we're equally as, you know, down, at fault, if we get picked off whether we hit a home run next or not. >> the zimmerman double in the fourth, would that have been a double any other ballpark? >> no, but, you know, that's the great thing about our game. every park is different, you know, the dimensions are different. the uniqueness of various parks. kouzmanoff hit a ball that crushed -- that was a home run in most parks, that ended up being a double, so, you know, it's -- the administrations are the same for both -- the dimensions are the same for both clubs. >> and i think the comment that jim wriggleman he made in his news conference right there, the ball club is just not hitting, simple as that. >> it is that simple. four hits tonight. you know, single didn't hits last night. this is -- it sounds like the padres are world beaters. they are a second division club. they have -- obviously the nats need to get their hitting shoe is on tomorrow, and come home with a victory. >> san diego has won 36 at home, losing 34. the nationals on the road have only won 19 ball games this year. tonight they fall to san diego by a score of 4-1. that's our nats xtra post-game. thanks for joining us everybody. we'll be here with you today starting at 3:00 this afternoon. we hope you'll join us then. have yourself a wonderful, what's left of this wednesday morning. good morning. the voice-recognizing, text-out-loud-reading, turn-by-turn-direction-giving sync system... in the all-new ford taurus. sfx: ((sync beep)) please say a command. read message. highway 8 closed. update route. turn right on silver road. we speak car. we speak innovation. introducing the all-new taurus from ford. drive one. >> all about the benjamin. >> they actually call it lats. >> we're keeping you current. >> if you want more than one lat, it's lati. >> all google. >> if you're in trouble, call for mr. gull bess, and maybe call for earnest bus he's going home. he loses in straight sets. >> the number fourth seed, djokovic taking on ljubicic from croatia. djokovic took the first set. second set, djokovic. his opponents, 27 unforced errors. third set now. tied at two games apiece. djokovic after the match said, quote, i'm in good form, good shape, let's just hope i can continue this way. he is moving on to round number two. >> some other notables from the first round. the tenth seed verdasco, straight-set win over becker. and witten knocked out andreev in three sets. >> last year anna ivanovic as a one-seed in the u.s. open lost in the second round. the worst ever showing by a one-seed in new york. the encore wasn't much better. this time around she missed a chance in to close out the match. we're in the third set tiebreaker. ivanovic. the '08 french open champion. she is done. she said, i'm sure i will have sleepless nights. >> her fans will be upset she is heading home. >> there's still plenty more baseball to get to, anish, including one of the all-time great hitters, would he, would he not make the dodger debut. >> the man we all call the machine continues to polish up the mvp-worthy resume. and bill belichick has kept quiet but tom brady tells us how his shoulderes feeling. >> michael vick's debut is in the rearview mirror. why andy reid thinks num gentlemen, oreo has rejected my bid to buy the dsrl. so we lick race for it, right here with double stuf gold. but mr. trump, my brother and i are the defending champions. and, let's be honest, you don't even have a partner. oh, i've got a partner. no you don't. yes i do. no you don't. yes i do. me! no way, it's... double trump. and we're gonna be yooge. 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(announcer) there are captains in every crew. calling all captains drink responsibly. umen you're a >> college football overdrive is back. it's year four on "espnews." every saturday from 3:00 to 8:00 eastern we take you live to the most exciting games from across the country. we offer expert analysis. and our kickoff is september 5th. 3:00 eastern on "espnews." >> some of the matchups we're looking forward to in week one. on thursday night, oregon plays boise state on the blue turf for the first time. on saturday night on abc, it's bama against virginia tech. on saturday, greg paulus makes his first start for syracuse against minnesota. notre dame coach charlie weis got a remainder they are not meeting expectations, a bill board reads best wishes to charlie weis and his internship. >> i'm the head coach of notre dame. welcome to my world. that comes with the territory of being head coach. when you take this job, that's the part that comes with it. we're gist trying to beat nevada. that's the only thing on our mind. i could care less about any other thing than beating nevada. that's all i want to do. so, i'm not worrying about hot seats, cold seats, anything, i'm just worrying about trying to beat nevada. >> my sources in nevada say, it's not nevada, it's nevada. >> if they're handing out internships like that's, signed me up. >> the next teams, all familiar foes. did will against michigan, purdue and washington. >> tennis, dinara safina taking on rogowska. a total of 24 double faults in this match. safina takes the second set. an unforced error by the top seed. the match included 113 total unforced errors. it was a little sloppy. third set, we're tied at four apiece. rogowska at net and safina, look at the backhand. that's nasty. when asked if there were any silver linings, she said, quote, i didn't break any rackets and famous case of a person who worked for onef these companies whoas a 48-year-old white male who got interested in genomics and got tested and found the risk for prostat cancer based on the combination was about 1.88. that prompted him to get a psa and refer to a neurologist and they found prostate cancer and had -- on the other hand you have people like dr. tawes who is a frequent person aearing on oprah's'show that was quoted last year when he appeared in november of 2008 that h had the test and risk for prostate cancer was 30% lower than the average and on the basis of that he said thanks to this test i d't have to have rectal exams anymore. so what's going on here, and this is aut nine stepgive or ke a few more we have a week relationships. you put them together and some people may have high risk like the person we've seen earlier. some people have a little bit lower risk. but so what do these numbers mean? what do you tell people basically already tested. imagine the scenario repeated over multiple diseases and clinical practice at is the balance of the benefits to the population at large and to the health care system and that is what the clinical utility izzie de the same time i was looking at this, partial results of two blog term critical screening for prosta cancer using psa where if you find early prostate cancer the jury is still out whether or not you can save some lives. now y the person put it in the first slide and swear to the test saved h life i think if you look at a thousand men take that test and have early prostate cancer discovered are not sure if that would be the case or not. it is eecially if you are a 48 year old and have sorof a lot of reproductive years ahead of you. so the bottom line is what do we do with information like this? so this is from the diabetes type ii prevention program which was a trial of lifestyle to predict or prevent diabetes typable back to it turns out lifestyle changes work. eyeduce the risk of diabetes typable back to. lifecycle evin works bter and now you start to strategizing by the tcf variant, this is data from the boston globe. it turns out all three groups regardless of the genomic type so what is the added value for the testing in order to target the intervention i would say that among that this point in time. and the data from the behavioral literature is also limited and trying to use martyrs' for the sensation. this was evidence based view from the group last year that shows that a strategy to increase sensation based on a number of markers including genetic susceptibility at least as of last year we can make no statements about the effectiveness of the medical risk assessment as smoking cessation. so we still have a long way to go. in the last two minutes i would like to summarize t liver patients and recommendations in the panel and this was a panel that last year from the list of names you can see there is a number of people from the various companies from academia, nih, a cdc as well as and that as i said is available in the august issue of genetics and medicine. so the first recommendation the group made is there has to be industrywide standards and severa companies have gotten together to write up their standards and it is basically about analytic fell with validity. when you get tested usinthree or four companies and you get different advice to the different results that isn't good because it is the same genome and you have to at least half a common standard across the different companies. the second thing is we need that kind of multidisciplinary research that shows the added value of the personal genomicc anhow it is put together of cose a whole lot of epidemiology needs to happen as i was trying to suggest but also critical evaluation in terms of quantify and the disease risk and classification looking at other factors as well, behavioral and social sciences to see how genomic profiles affect behavior of individual families and population, communication andducation, how do you actually communicate this information as you can see it is very confusing. even for many scientists and last but not least to the health research to find out with the actual impact of the health care deliver system having these kind of a false and tools in the health care system froa public health perspective utilization and impact of the population level. so, just to close one of the priorities we hear about the effectiveness research as a sort of buzz word these days in washington and the recently released to the top 100 recommendations and there were three or four that were relevant to bill mix. what is particularly relevant to this area which is research to compative effectiveness of getting information about a mile markers including netic information to the standard. motivating behavioral change improving outcomes so i am hoping some research scholars will be expanded on the vue meeting that and then last but not least we need to tie the evidence to practice and for providers and consumers but we know it but we don't know and develop the kind of evidence based recommendations such as independent panels like the preventive service task force and i am sorry i am out of time so i am jumping over the slides but theorking group is an independent panel that has been looking at genomic applications and practice picking up personal genome profiles as well looking thatype o diabetes and profiles and this is from the tiberi issue of genetics a medicine where they published the message as well as t evidence review recommendations. and finally last but not least, we do want to explore the value of personal utility because people are telling us that sometimes there is no clinical benefit but personal utility to the person from soc perspective and the august issue has a number of articles that explore what personal utility before doesn't mean and how you can quantify it. for me personally it is as much as pluggable utility has to be quantified with metrics otherwise they would have personal utilities to some people but on the whole they may not he personal utility for others. and my own personal view of the utility is we need look before we leap so thank you very much i would be hapo answer questions. am sorry if i took more time than i should have. >> thank you very much for the presentation. we have a little time for questions. you were very thorough but i assure there will be a question or to from either around the table or the audience. eddy blog? >> that was a rich presentation and i am not sure how much of it everybody can't digest it in such short time but there is a point i would like to throw out all the table and the hope that more discussion will occur during the meeting. you made a statement a while ago about a group of companies coming together to establish scientific standards with analytical ability. well, i just wanted to make it clear to the audience that in the ordinary diagnostic testing the sort of thing you get when your doctor tactics a blood sample or some other specimen and sends it to a lab the labs are actually quite regulated at both federal and state levels and a addition to the regulation had many of the labs are participants in accreditation programs and not the end all and be all but are valuable and they engage in proficiency testing and what that means is every month or more frequently they get on known samples from the proficiency testing organization that they have to analyze and said their results to be compared witdozens or hundreds of other labs doing knicks ackley the same test in order to determine whether their analysis is valid. whether they have problems with your doing the analysis and whether their answers are off the scale. one of the questions i would be interested in is what equivalent oversight and standard protecting reconnaissance are applied to the direct consumer industry if any and should there be? and it just leave some that for further discussion. >> david, do you want an answer or just to throw it out there? >> [inaudible] >> they want to discuss it now or wait until others fm the industry have had a chance. >> well, we will have a ce -- >> that was a very elegant presentation and i think it highlights the issues we are starting to see in the clinics. when you have very low -- >> you have to talk louder. >> get closer. >> when you show some of these associations for the alterations and some of these provide information i have concern about the education ed not only to know what the alterations me but the necessary to add more values or markers and the other clinical findings they have at that time and how you go from the ratio of negative to a positive just when you put into these calculations. that is very revealing to me. >> that is the whole point i guess. when you have weak to moderate associations, all of these models tend to be mesd up and lack of calibration and sometimes we have mitre changes and other risk factors and if you have hidden it makes it so much harder to interpret. it's hardly enough to tell someone you are at 10% risk of the disease whereas the average person has 8% increase disease risk a a lifetime, going from eight to ten most people -- it may or may not need anything. but if i tell you your risk today is ten per ct if i test youtube marlo for something else it might go back down to six that bom even harder t digest and that is the state of the science because beheaded in -- the hidden of risk factors. i guess all all what i am saying is the risk profiles don't add much to what we currently know if i was a clinician and somebody brings me this i would say that is fighting and i would use those printouts has moments if you will to teach people about health promotion and disease prevention in general with or without the genomic and usthe genomic tighas a way to focus the discussion. every now and then something as big as relations pops up but in dealing with a little bit up and a little bit down and chaning landscape so i think begin forcing the general prevention and health promotion messages is what i would go with. >> we are going to do our best to stay on schedule and take one more question andove to t next speaker. timothy, you were anxious. >> as a geneticist and physician i would agree that the gwas of facts or small individually and the data are very reent and so the models are evolution and the types of analysis h has done are valuable looking at the clinical utility which is an important question but i would ask him to questions. the first want the matter of analysis you showed is mostly data from the pre-eileen as you said. the first question is do you plan to repeat that type of analysis with the eileen data and the second question is i was a little surprised about your classification for what diabetes type ii. because the classification was based on looking at gender a pmi afterpplying the gwas snips if the models are evolution but generally what would look at is risk of diabetes with gender and bmi as one of the first indicators not as a secondary one. >> first question first. i agree priest gwas era, we have been tracking this at the cdc with a huge navigator we have about 42,000 articles the last ten years mostly from the candidate era. we have about 400 or so gwas and there isn active lot to compare with this gwas to the pre-gwas in iraq. it has been currently looked at. the good thing about gwas it is more robust, larger sample siz you still could have some of these analytic by a cs etc. but we are looking at that so i don't think we have something to say right now. the send question sheila jackson was involved but i think she nted to illustrate she has the data you have a cohort study where you look at the incident of new diabetes' type ii over a period of five to ten years and they do the 18 heads plus the usual critical markers and i think she used that and i have her paperith me to show an illustration as to what you would put in the model can change what you get o of it as a question you start with age, gender and bmi bore you do any of the other variants and i think she did that in some of the other publications but this is sort of the analysis that showed if you don't use these clinical are worse and u them at the end and just rely on the genetics this is what happens to that saban data set with your point is well taken. >> thank you very much. [alause] now we will go on to david who will speak on evolution of direct consumer genetic testing present and future mkets thank you, david. >> thank you very much to the organizers for inviting me thursday afternoon to give this talk. i am replacing e of the speakers that couldn't make it. pathway genomics is a new country entering into this field of more of a comprehensive type of test. hope to give you a few ofhe approach we are taking. with a general understanding of limitations of these tests and the goal of trying to educate and take people by the hand and teach thembout genetics as well as politicians and benefits d there are many people interested in these tests at this time. so let's see. >> there is a littleointer here. anyway. we think this is the state of the affairs we currently have and it directly goes towds how the dpc should look at the next to the epigenetic spirit we would all agree they should be actual information that might be useful with petitions that have been shown in the previous talk. stevan paynter brinza the good point about how we work on genetics and whether or not we should worry about every aspect of things and there are a lot of things in life that gives us worry and ccern but hopefully --nyway hopefully the point is to bring ts to people and help teach them and then the last point is it was brought up what about the psicians and clients how do w teach these limitations and benefits of these tests throuout as we go through out more and more validation. so, certainly since the system of the first times i have given this talk -- [inaudible] wehould take advanta of what we know now. we use the information thank you >> can everyone here me? am going to turn this around just because it was underneath. the we go. all right. we shkuld take advantage of information we know now and not wait f everything to be absolutely validated and quickly utility. that isn't to say we push a way that type of approach and that we random we just threw out information and move with this very carefully and use the information to motivate and engage and educate people in the use of genetics. there is a broad application here to actually help educate the public and bring genetics through a lot of people that will support more and more of these research studies. these are the early days in the clinical utility. we accepted this and try to be responsible reporting genetically balad rults which going to be a major discussion around this. certainlthere are a lot of limitations shown by the las speaker but most of the companies now at least the big four are using results at least supported by secondary sdies or even many replicated studies. we feel it's important to meet and exceed standards as the state currently and to actually help develop new standards across the industry. we believe it is important to have responsible communication in the data cut education of clients as i said, insuring privacy and security, all issues brought up by the previous speakers and all the monthly the translations are genomic resech will not only require furtr validation from the research community for clinical utility but will also require educated patient population and health care professionals. more and more genetic information will become validated and quickly useful and we think it is time to actually set the stage and engaged people, get people interested in their genomes and how they make health decisions of that eventually. dtc companies can provide tests to the general population. on the flight and a way that could be quite irresponsible a eventually this information could be integrated into a public health record and we think that this may address one of the questions that was earlier brought up in ways that eventually integrate in critical data and personal hlth record data with genetic information may facilitate future research studs. so, we see the company is currently sitting in a situation we try to translate some scientific discoveries to the consumer and we take that response to a lovely serious. in the future we think certainly dtc or jenea beck information will play a role with early detection and prevention. these are some of the few limited sties one of which was already brought up earlier that bring of us here today. certainly there are a lot of success stories using genetics and health and medicine including the controversial one at the bottom with prostate cancer whether or not we realize prostate cancer may or may not kill people and surgery has its limitations. i am not sure if doctor of oz was being serious. he is very concerned about these kind of limitations. and communications as well. but me tell you a little bit about the pathway. we have our on-site lab. we have california laboratory licenses for high complexity genetic testing. we have a strong scientific team of ph.d. s, scientist. we have developed a custom brough genomic coverage fing on the disease and having some ancestry content as well. we are currently is a little platforms to cross delegate. so even though our primary essay is on a microa ray we used sequencing in the l and massive as well and we are gaged in prociency testing for our particular. so another aspect of our service is we and tikrit family history and life style questionnaires and we think ours the cmunity these are extremely important and often as is pointed out family history lifestyle and like pmi are often more important a genetic factors so we don't try to roll the 71 no. but we do try to present a atform across which a person can get an indication of their diseaseisk. we use genetic counselors as well so certain juneau type results will prompt direct session with genetic counselor in which the client will not s their data until they sit down with their counselor and discuss this. we have a vy strong team of business folks as well as several companies, this is the fifth company. as well as michael noval of the chief medical officer, linda schlossman, director of pathology and the head of the genetics facility for many years and on yy. we also have michael cox on board as a chief practicing officer and will talk a little bit about our efforts and privacy. our advisers are a strong group of individuals from mass general and harvard with whom which he and myself have published several papers on alzheimer's disease genetics. al jones is a statistical dead assist trade with peter good fellow as helping with business and overalltrategies. steve wagner, john reed is president ceo. so as you have pointed out most people in this room know the strategy, the customer goes on line, gives a saliva, comes to the lab, the sable stays in house, it is all processed all the facility. we have control of the sample and contl of the data and genetic counselors. we also have a physician record reviewing the questionnaire lifestyle questionnaire we have specific questions that will automatically also flag not just genetic results but questions and our lifestyle that will flag that person for genetic counseling ahead of results. we've developed our own colltion it's simpler than others. and the criteria that we used for selection are similar but we think a little bit more stringent than some of our competitors. we used by the david market and we have two glasses of about what they did markers that have been at least comfort and secondary study. if not by nettie studies and preliminary research worrs. we separate those when we do our calculations. primary studies are heavily to the coble control. we go through ethnic chging and we do use some rkers but in general with the custom share we have developed most of the markers directltested and known associations. secondary study also has the need, but above the standards and one of the most important is which the same assoction in the same direction in the same ethnicity as a primary study and i think that actually does lead to some of the variability that is see in other studies that was part of a pointed out by the previous speaker that some associations and the applications on actually with opposite not necessarily in the same method cities. so we have our scienfic staff that basically reviews these papers. we are selecting only one miss near-poor machine per region to avoid duplicating signals due to the linkage to the equilibrium that madoff wil be defined. and we will continue to update the panel as well as the scientific data as more is known. permit me we a testing 25 complex conditions. these are the number of jeeves shot across here certainly some cases they are very limited number. there is dinitely a limitation of of donner irritability in these cases. but with others they are a growing number in type to diabetes flexible. an example of how we showed our health we have included harvard of content that will give more detailed information about the condition that self broadly how potentially how that condition might be treated, questions to discuss with your doctor based on your genetics. other factors involved in that condition. the genetic risk is we have basically taken the stance that with all of the variability and with the issues around individual markers it isn't appropriate to give an actual percentage of risk. multiply using ratios similar to our competitors we have now been engaged and early discussions to try to standardize the mathematical algorithms. the discussions are ongoing. we are becoming involved and those but we are consistent with all others are using the ratios to calculate risk but we don't multiplied by lifetime risk to actuly give you a number and we basically take the distribution and divided and said to for lot a score either ow decase trouble to dress, average increase or high relative risk and we feel it's hard to geinto these two extremes of the distortion. the other message i would like to point out is we do try to bring that information will i get this disease and what should i do about and tie that into the lifestyle factors and a family history of risk factors. we also give more information than is a review in t field that has been written up by our scientific staff and some data on march 1st themselveand direct references department. chaz another factor we test clearly the best test isna sequencing, but we have come forward and picked out our martyrs' based on the acmg and whether one of the markers are recurrent. frick sybil's cystic fibrosis models, the three cover cystic fibrosis and then we test about 23 plus 70 rear locations. and these are high of the west for genetic counseling discussions. we also test for several genetic markers across the board as you can see here. as the mardy emerging data which we try to discuss as how it might be useful for our clients. our ancestry test which can also -- and our ancestry test for to eckert 50 per turtle groups in the y chromosome, 1200 groups of the mitochondrial dna and we also include ancestry and formative markers to use to get an idea how you fit into human history and whether or not, well, and also kind of help to define ethnicities. privacy and security are an important pathway and privacy is appropriate use of customer information. we have hired a cheap privacy officer and a lot transparent summary and privacy statements. we have a detailed consent form that has been distilled int symbol page so we give the highlight view of most important characteristics of factors and that. there is a typo in that, sorry. as well as the detailed consent. security we essentially tat our facility in the information as with datacenter level contro and encryption, microwork force capital one for many years where he has the understanding how to deal with important information and how to kp it secure. we feel that pathway genomics has a strong scientific team, an onsite laboratory, and we have lower costs than our competitors.

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