>> especially with young women. that vegetarianism is a link of a number of eating disorders including anorexia, bulimia. vegetarians are much more likely, if you ask them, if you could take a bill to satisfy all your nutritional needs, would you do that? to me, that's a horrible question. like, are you joking? many more vegetarians than non-vegetarians say yes. they just don't like food. i was just completely spun my head around. thank you so much for coming. [applause] >> how herzog is a psychology professor at western carolina university. mr. herzog currently writes a blog on human animal interactions for psychology today. ngr more information visitdownti halherzog.com.ght >> we are pleased to be joined joined now by craig robinson who is the author of this book, it's called "a game of character." coach robinson as a basketball a coach at oregon state university. not just a some,thing that issuy covered on both tv, but the ford was written by marianne s robinson. so we thought it was worthng coh having coach robinson on. coach, who is marian robinson? >> she is none other than myer. mother. mother of credit and michelle, wife of richard robinson, and one of the influence this in my riding a game of character. >> currently a denizen of the white house. >> obviously. >> michelle obama is brother. you have a picture on the front, an old family photo. tell us about fraser robinson. and in the boardroom. spent we've got to know mary robinson all little bit because she's somewhat public and we've seen her with the girls and everything. but what did fraser robinson do? what you remember most about him? >> well, my father worked for the chicago water department, and was an hourly shift worker, and spent the boulder these three time raising his children. he was the keeper off all of the family folklore. he told us stories. he passed along the lessons andg the values.talks and again the character talks about a lot of the lessons that i learned from him. and >> craig robinson, you also talk about life lessons that you le could learn on the basketball court. what arean they? you know, whenk up basketball, you can tell if a guy is selfish or not or eagle -- egg go tis call. you have to make up your own calls and give up calls. you can learn a lot. >> when's the first time you played baskball with barak obama, and what did you learn? >> the first time was when my sister asked me to spend time on the court with him to see what person he is. i found that he is highly intelligent, high integrity, team player, and i also said that most of all, he just didn't pass me the ball because he was dating my sister. >> how much time do you get to spend with the obama's? >> you know, during the season it's tough. i'm here just on the day, so i won't even see him on this trip, but in the summer we get to catch up, so we come out here with the family quite a bit. >> the book, "a game of character" the author, coach, craig robinson, coach of the oregon state beavers. basketball season begins in november. there's a month and a half of training to go. >> that's right. >> he's the brother peter. >> coming up next, book tv presents "after words," an hour-long program where we invite guest host to interview authors. this week president of king's college and best selling author dinesh d'souza discusses his new book, "the roots of obama's rage," which examines what he claims is president obama's true ideology and what he believes is the ultimate source. the author of what's so great about america uses biographies of barack obama and books about the 2008 presidential campaign to argue that the president is attempting to fall in his fathers footsteps. he debates this year with newsweek's jonathan alter, author of "the promise." >> host: welcome. let's get started by asking about the title of your book, "the roots of obama's rage." most people even critics of the president don't see them as a person who is full of rage, he has a rather calm even temperament, especially compared to some others have held the office. what evidence do you have that there's any rage at all within barack obama? just like i think that he was a obama is, our right. but he is calm and cerebral about things that don't fundamentally move him and a passionate way. so for example, some people on the liberal side have said we notice obama shows no passionately talks about poverty or the inner city, or civil rights. i think the reason for that is those issues are not primary for him at all. contractors with the way obama talks about for example, wall street or the banks, or the insurance companies or the pharmaceutical companies or the oil companies. then you notice that his lip curls and his voice goes up a pitch and hit against use words like kicking their butt. in other words, the anger does begin to seep out when he's talking about the guys at the top. in a way i think are a target of his rage. >> host: we'll get into specifics the specifics of whether that is rage in a few moments. to give the viewers a better sense of who you are, you write a lot in your book about obama's father, barack obama senior, whom he met only once in his life when he was a little boy growing up in hawaii. tell us if you could about your own father, what he read, what he wrote, if anything, and what kind of business using and what kind of influence he had over you. >> guest: . my father was a chemical engineer. my mom a housewife. i grew up in india and bombay. so have a kind of third world backgrounds and if you will come although my family is westernized. we spoke english at home. we were i link while. so my dad worked for a pharmaceutical companies, we are in the middle class. we grew up without luxury. not lacking for anything. >> host: do you believe that you should be held accountable for what your father believes, whatever his belief system might have been? gasbag of course a. notes i don't think it would automatically. parental disputes to the children. >> host: isn't that what you're doing with your book? guess that obama was asked to write a book, not a biography. and he wrote a book, significant titled "dreams from my father." not dreams of my father. not writing about my father's dreams. "dreams from my father" for the dreams i, obama, got from his debt. if you read his book, his dad is a powerful presence in the book even though he was absent in obama's life. i'm reminded of the line where achilles, the main character is missing for many chapters and home rights achilles absent was achilles still. so even offstage at chili's is kind of driving the narrative. i think so it is with barack obama senior, even though he is not there obama is obsessed with them. he is pursuing him, tried to find out about him and, in fact, he is tried to shape his character and his value in the image of his father. >> host: shouldn't he be judged on what he says and what he does in his own life rather than to dispute something on that, something his father, who is also in some interviews and in the book quite critical of? to judge obama on his father's life? isn't there something that's unfair about doing that? guess mac let's remember that obama says of his father, it was into my father's image the black man, son of africa, that i had filled all the edges that i saw it myself. in other words, and i quote from the magazine you work for, sarah obama, obama's grandmother who says i look at that and i see all the same thing. the sun has taken everything from the father. in other words, i'm not making this up. the theory that obama is shaped of the image of his father is in obama's on book. all i'm doing is saying yes, we shouldn't judge obama by his actions, but it's not unreasonable to ask does obama encompasses ideological framework which he may got from his father am helpless to understand what he is doing and what he will do any future. >> host: you've written a number of controversial books, it "the end of racism," that book came out, or a number of black conservatives who took issue with you, essentially calling the black underclass barbarians that they took issue with you calling the repeal of the civil rights act. so you've always been a rather controversial figure. and that applies going back to when you outed gays at dartmouth college as an undergraduate there. this book is also controversial. the pushback on it is that you are asserting, rather than establishing or proving that some barack obama is hostile to the idea of capitalism. so i would just ask you today, where is your evidence? notch of speculation, but your evidence, hard evidence of that our president is somehow hostile to capitalist views? >> guest: just to go back for more. i didn't out any gays in my college years. our newspaper ran an article. my book, "the end of racism" was an examination, he sits in a page but by the way with 2000 footnotes. to black conservatives disagreed with it. i agree it's a tough subject that it was looking at wind and nonwhite immigrants to america do pretty well. african-americans and indigenous my, american indians as well, do not fare as well. these are legitimate subjects to look at. because i've got a different country i feel like i see america from the outside and from inside. that gives me sort of a perspective. so maybe that's one reason my work is controversial. coming to obama, what is the evidence that he dislikes capitalism? >> host: yes. >> guest: the first draw that obama got, one of his first jobs -- >> host: president. i'm not talking about computing certain motives or intentions, some things that happen dozens of years ago, which is a very slippery business. i'm talking about in the presidency he rejected the advice that he nationalize the banks when he could have easily done that. he has cut taxes for small business on eight separate occasions, 20 months he's been in office hostility. you call him menacing. that's a very strong, a menacing president that i would just like to know -- >> guest: i think is missing input is more on foreign policy. there was a debate over capitalism of course the state is in a debate that capitalism was widely believed to have one even bill clinton promised declared that the era of big government is over. obama has reestablished the era of big government with a vengeance. he seems to take immediate activism and government service as more noble than entrepreneurship. he really, you senior oboe, he really has a good word to say about entrepreneurship. >> host: you called me from my book, "the promise" saying he doesn't use the word entrepreneurship enough. that is what i said. can use it in the context make it seem as if in my book i'm arguing that he is somehow hostile to entrepreneurs. i don't suggest that in my book. there's no evidence of that. >> guest: ious a quote from your book. if i cycle from your book, i'm not endorsing your entire book. >> host: you are taking the quote out of context as you do any number of other areas as well transit a lot of people vote for obama think he would be another clinton. know it's a centrist. there's a widespread sense that he is widespread. is greatly expanded the fear of the federal government in a number of areas. automobiles, energy, health care, financial regulation, the banking, mortgage lending. you might think this is all good, and as a liberal you might think it's wonderful. but the truth of it is obama has racked up the spin. is always talk about sticking the tabs to the rich and his increased federal control, not nationalization, but federal controls over a large sector of private enterprise. and all this has been a business on strike. if you want to know why our economy isn't doing well, one possible explanation is obama is antibusiness and -- >> host: they are not on strike. the markets are doing well. let me just say he has done nothing more -- you say that he is very different in the campaign that he was in the campaign, and you go on to say, if this is a quote, never before has the tentacles of government reach so deeply into the private sector. never before, page 20 of. >> guest: that is out so a true tragedy me give you a couple possibilities. 1933, national recovery act, were antibusiness was made to adhere to government codes. i write in my earlier book, the defining moment about how to regulate, striptease establishment about the amount of, the number of times striptease -- 1971, richard nixon. wage and price controls, rigid control on what things cost in our economy. you said never before. in both those cases, let me just finish the question, the tentacles extended much further than barack obama adopting mitt romney, howard baker and bob dole's elf care plan. you tell me where they extended and they were close to in 1833 oh 1971. >> guest: first of all, the 1930s we were in a great depression. know it's extreme situations, like a war, world war ii. >> host: we were losing 750,000 jobs a month when obama took office. he put a target. if he hadn't intervened, obama continued, how we have prevented a depression? we're on a path that depression. >> guest: this is off -- >> host: that's a fact. >> guest: what your doctor is a depression that never was. another possibility, another possibility is, is a panic was used as a pretext for massive government -- "the roots of obama's rage" how can we be losing 750,000 jobs a month? look at the fox. >> guest: unemployment is coming about 9%. it was 7.5 is that when obama took office. "the roots of obama's rage" that was reflecting, you know. >> guest: all right. but we're talking -- this is compared to 30% or 35% unemployment in the great depression. there's no comparison. >> host: 25%. we were headed, if the auto industry gone under, -- [talking over each other] trade you don't believe this? guestmac i think which are missing is coming is the government says jobs by spending money over here. you are forgetting that to say the job a government has to have some is pocket over there. that created job. this is a bit of -- >> host: let's move on. first of all, you say that is done by anticapitalist. it was done by steven ratner. [talking over each other] >> guest: obama appoint a star. >> guest: let me be clear on this. you're suggesting. >> host: you make the case in your book that his firing rick wagner as chairman of general motors is prima facie evidence that he is in the grip of an anti-capitalist ideology when there are quite a number of -- >> guest: no, no, no. guest i can -- [talking over each other] you just asked me to point in the case with the government has gone further than has before in regulating the private sector. i gave you an example. you switch back to an earlier question where you asked me -- >> host: your talk about regulation. the tentacles of government that you're not talking about one on where -- first of all, he didn't have the power to five and. they asked for his resignation. by the way, there are many other examples going back of president to have taken a very strong line against capitalism. somebody from your own party, theodore roosevelt. now, would you say the same thing about barack obama about theodore roosevelt in sum is very, very tough critics, much tougher rhetoric. >> guest: keep things in perspective. it was miniscule. trade now you're changing. you're saying -- >> guest: i'm saying the federal government today is involved in all these major sectors. it is a much larger presence in our economy. so that alone is a sign of expanding federal power, expanding federal debt, sticking it to the high income taxpayer. isn't that evidence of a mentality that is against free enterprise, against private enterprise? >> host: let's go back to your book. towards the beginning you assert with no evidence a story that obama remembers seeing in the magazine as a small child. he was a youth when he saw what he thought, later wrongly remembered, was a story about a black man trying to do something to skin to make him appear more white. you're quite accurate, he wrongly remembered seeing that in i think ebony magazine. there was the evidence it was in ebony magazine. there's no evidence that surface yet that it was in another magazine. that doesn't mean that he was lying because he very easily could have been in another magazine. but you going to assert that that thinking, that idea that he remembers from his a small child asked it comes to history the anti-colonialist work of. where is your evidence that he concocted that story? or is that more accurately described as much of the book, a supposition rather than actually a conclusion based on evidence? >> guest: it is a plausible supposition based on the fact that we know obama didn't get it where he said he did. now, you're pretending like it was a memory of a 10 year old. this is obama writing a book in 1995 when the man is in his 30s, a book that was what widely reprinted when he spoke of the democratic convention in 2004 that was used as a campaign document in 2008. let me read a sentence if i may from obama's recollection. he's talking about seeing this article in "life" magazine. he says i felt my face and neck get hot, my stomach knotted. i had a desperate urge to jump out of my seat to demand some explanation, some reassurance that he said the man he saw looked sickly by the radiation victim or an albino. there's an emotional intensity and precision to this incident. by the way, it takes up quite a bit of space. it is a pivotal space in coming to terms with his racial identity. so my point, if you don't do something that happened when you're 10, how would you of such political detail about the incident that never happened, or you can't remember? you're generally going to find data somewhere else that here's the point that the incident involved a man who took radiation treatment for chemical treatment to lighten his skin. i rating the anti-colonial riders book, and he's talking about african negroes who try to act in a way that resembles the french. he says they want to look white and the want to dress like and talk white that he says, i do know one case of a black man who took radiation and chemical treatment to lighten his skin. is eerily similar to the episode and obama, and obama mentions this in his book. it's not unreasonable to think obama read that. it's unreadable to think he lived the incident, which cannot be found in his sources, but i found in one of obama's other sources. so yes. can i prove obama -- no, it's the best explanation out there. thank you this is just one of many. >> host: this is just one of many logical suppositions jumped, we are getting over a big gap to establish a point without actually providing evidence for that point. these are all logical leagues, would you concede that? >> guest: let me say what i say. i say here, i believe, is where obama got his skin treatments for that he founded in elsewhere. >> host: this is a supposition yes mac i'm offering a very. >> host: so we shouldn't say this is a realm of speculation and supposition. is it fair to characterize the book that way? >> guest: know. here we're talk about an incident that occurred when obama was 10. you weren't there. i wasn't there. obama was the only one there. there's no other way to analyze of than to say, let's look at the most believable explanation for what happened. >> host: it's not believable to you that an air are african-american men were talking their hair, straining to have to look more white and where clearly the status banking order favored those with lighter skin, a whole history to this? is it not fair to assume that perhaps a very young barack obama was telling some version of the truth, that he saw some article, that he just made this story up? based on radical literature that he read? >> guest: that's not my point. you're missing the point that there is a legitimate history here. here's what he didn't cite it. obama's history is not typical african-american histor