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kentucky taking him ouof t other interior player y'd rely on washiton has been in foul trole. >> eric: wall pull-up jumper fr thelboelbow. wallas been as adverted. b: efobfiencicy on offee. kentucky rely arssing an opportunity tocoren ery possession. 52 points alre >>ric: lg mper. paterson the reund. dars miller. run b john wall. and stevensonow upour ints >>ob: ey made two mistake onhat ay and scor stl can't find it.he open offeive rebod. no! same for arns, they aren't gling it on the offensive s. they have had a nch bu opportunits bunot catching >> bob: they are missi so nyma ots. holdor t f last shot. will didou ever see game clock and shot clock? it's about two. nohey t the oen stted. ob: setplay. >> eric: thws i up at the buzzer. rikansas, but erytng going t forkentucky. arkansas.ky up big john calipari stanng bwi ca cnoap ga is a teaching e b each ithe message at t half? >> need tolay another 20 es.weill ay the half and then weid a gd job and dn the sttch,ou he to keep an eye on clark and keep fnetu in check where he is being othered a little bit so to eak. we d a good job. >> why is tod you thinkill be t dayheo see the first fu gam >> it's important to them. they understand, and ty wt to be number one. i haveon'tare. om our te, dviring t >>od thing. hank you. >> bac yk . thank you. the question heren ton, would the wildcats nuer one spot in the e country. that's been answered after 20 minutes. now to whit wats with the cellular south halftime portre >> eric, bob, thanyou.k alongside barry book. it wson inside t celliar uthalftimeepor studios on the s.ctw. k. any qutio auteing nervous have indeed bn answered. ntucky will assg th le holad take over the mber one spot with the new poll when com out next week. one through 12, weave en to remember a college sketll team recently, that s as deep of kentucky 1 through 12. i'm struggling. to bhonet with u. >> recently ever ian'think of a team th twis lel oevf talent. projected to go high in the b.a.draft. this g demcus uyusins is midoti dominating. only played n mites in the first half. double-dble.ou n potets, nine reboun a assists, steal,bl ock. >>entky not number onecats. whit: number one ranked texas on the rd toake on number 21 onn. the first half,fouroint two-point margin. robinson played. ballgame.fi t half, texas up by three. damian jones off the turnover gives texas five-point spread. in storrs. first half uconn down e. jerome don sar iest up at 23. now a ni-pnt game. as the play on in thefirs gainst12es w rgin. mounta t of a-nothing ta mountaineer n. ohio state upy four. the second repoint game brya going to the outside. that ties a game at 52 in the second. tied at . tlerwest up. cond half up b one. gai still to come, abama beatun goi in ngis one. a brgen fi'm k, daug sch is awa oula vnven me plr al d meat pareouse. ing ally y hu def p ths m sc ld w ure he i s tls oon way the. i kat t a p donw whathe s sh wha ha whit: o curellular south time report continues. witharry booker, i'm whit watson. more s.e. acon earlier in the day on the s.e.c. network. we take a look at e mis an l.u.s. the tigers trying to get a first conferen wince part of a 16-6 run as henry knocks down the. ul.wig the lay-up and the f. fsthalf.n did not sco inre >> barry: chris warren had big buckets down the stretch. he eed uwith 13. whi witone point in game but olmissins.e >> whit: all of warren's points in thsecoe half bels gethe viory. s.u.l.-5 in the nference vand an eit-game winning stre andrendon ox. auburn by 1 at lftime. >> barry: shooting a lotf lay-ups in the first half but vandbiltook charge ofiv condsealf to take control ofe the game. >> whit: nkjes caps o a ruand 8 foraylor and 17-pointead. and four starters going f 15 or me inor this game. >> eund margines. rry: 64% from field will win you games. shutting downheenetration from auburn. >> whit 'ba: trying to stop a thregameosin gstreak. houston heinz withhe bket and one 25. seconds left. stewart knocks the bl loose. turner cleans u thess. down to one-potinme. n sends left. downth t. fit s.c. loss forhe bullgs a alabama stops a stilto ce on the s.c. network, kentucky, ranke number t in woe country, up big on arkansas. the condsealsoono come. this hftimal report is brout to you by -- pohiemcus cousins, ten ts, ni rebnds in the first ha. kentucky up rgenla arkaas. ericollins and bob wenzel will have the call whewe n co bac >>ric:et ready to get startewithhe second lfha for the locals.been fantasti the second-rand kentucky ldcawi 57 first half points. eytheadrksas by30. withorr rutge head coach telesioncreen.ricollins.hope ith up close and personal, ic ability of kentucky is ocki >> bob: it manifests itself a loof ways. on the offenveend, obou fensively is where it's happening for the team. t afr it onheefensive end. ho about the shot ocking? i ey are seven. ve thought tre w nine. dael onion, he is t backup center. how about this one?daniel ort g. patrick patterson gets involved. they have seven shotsnd big-me intimidti. offensively, cousins has been great on the board. he findshe place to sre can. ght here, lu in transition watch theeak side. size manifesti itself on the rd. >> eric: look athe fst half stats, brought to you by krysl --ottahin' like it. % for the ps for kentky. vi% for the hogs tually everythingo kentky'say. hear you talkedo arkansas head coach pohpelphrey. nsar basketball team.tis h ey did not play like they were capable of and ty did not handhe ergy dndid not survive early .on second halgo, teare o gee basketba.ll it inside and quote cchoa thlphrey we want to get it we're gointo to h t the riand fm rothere. [ lahterug >> eric: we talke about that a mberf ai balls i bot sides in the first half rnei arke averaging 18 o potwts sofar. tricpattk son, triple-team.los .it fortson ead ah the pack. two on one. clark!steal for arkansas. not his day!someeoplbelieve rot clarkeay bthe be shoer in the country but he has struggled today again this densivprsuref kentucky. haveigge guards than him. ermey e comes off a screen, they stcwih. he has somebodynll the time. powell with four. good energy ohe partith . arkans.as >> eric: maybe they are not o at e scorer's tabl powell will play wh it fr wr-around pass and o of bounds. it stays with the wicats. rotneilae. two points on one eig shoong. bob>>a tough dafor y m. thisuy had 51oi isn a game thi ysear. tes 24.bers against a lot of against texas wnheex was rankedumbeone n the nation. the outior r out. you must shadow everywhere. of coue, jrsn pelphreyas h to figure out ways to make that happen. >> eric: demarcus csins keeps oneepi on. now with 12 poin. [ applause ] bobi thought caliri's mments to cara at halftime were very intestinre he wants his tea to play 4 minutes like this instead of thk they'reoing it!. [ cheers and appus] >> eric: one freshman to anothe wallo bledsoe. clarke. one for nine. washington can't get the lay-up. on are they od t by otsoe. have fun playi bball. >> bob: entertaining to watwatc. right rethe bounds play. a dunk and flus when there is a switch, you got totay th them. then in the eabr guard to guard, flying in the stratosphere. bledsoe. wa, sond inheation in noonly a they aletic but they're unlfish as well when they get in the open floor, boy, thearey tough. >> eric: the largest lead of the day. fortson falls to the deck. twbloco d shoton tt ssespoon alone. >bob:yes.wall who got it? niner ten for the game. >> eric: wall looking for someone to be open. dari milr is. bob: he likes the leftide of t flor. made two fro theeft side and airballe o fnero them rit coecorn. kentucky. o breakor 30 arkansas misseall ght shots in the second lf. hance to miss neo there as they turn it over. >>: heikesob the right also! [ cheers andpplae ] >>ric: eaybe you weren't pressed with 18-0 record to the game but you'd be kentucky playing fantastic basketball! eric:entu ky preparing themselves to comebehe number one ranketeamd n the country co monday when a new poll comes out. they're on top ofrkansas -27. l seon lo, champion apparel will showcase the tradi ti theivalry inhe t s.e.c. between 2 and 6.'9 a five-year period t whatrkans and u.k. did. >> b: yeah. finafour appearances. anher.e great againsone they had gameshat revery, ni araes by the s.e.c. in the final four. in the 90s. seven of them beten tse ols. >> ec: rifoer continu to thatcomesp empt half.dunk of the second hasn't even ayedour minute fontucke has been the nameall it the second half. lots of easy bketsnd entertaining as well. >> eric: fortsonn i the game. nice feed for theig man. comi off scen. daylight.g fke some at is a tough shot. >> bob: oh, n! ll tell yo they switched. three separate players were guardi himn that and he made it away. that is wh he going to face the entire s.e.c. season c: what are me oions for john pehreynd rotnei clarke? ke he was in non-coerence play? >> b: we, the wato comb switches is tit the the roll. and otherlayers a going to get the baets d he is going become code cou be an effective decoy. running him off scres. e second thing they could do for m is push it and let him t and take early shots before the defen getse set up. he's not a guy that puts th ball on floor himself t go fr. that is his problem. watch here. evhier.gng to switch here is one switch. he's challenged by orn. and still makeshe tshot. so i mean that is a lot of hard wk toet a shot open eric: ither any correlion tween rotnei clarke's struggles ove ther last cple games and the turn of urtcoy fortson? >> bob: well, you know, i don'thint so. ihinkideallyhey would be wod.geth in kind of fortson is the petr and he's spotting up. peop aremart than that. th areeytaying home it him. even when fortson netrates, they mt h at t basket like that an then he can't di outde. block!c: fortson with another oh, john ll! ma the necessary 0, but wou have been [ cheering ] i thk th washe 360or f the ck of doing a 360. lahter ] john wal!l thatould have brought the geudio, i eat whit watson. gia on asevegame trey thompkins with the 18-8 start. theulldog take aarly lead. >> eric: thank you, whit. and as you see, t sen-game wning seak for bruce arl's team, a lot without ole mi wonss earer today.ith. d vanderbilt rwe put to t test.an the come t with an impressive win over auburn and are 4-0 in conferenceplay. >> bob: three teams in t he conference in e top25. kentucky, tennessee, and ole miss. and oridand mississippi state knocking otheooas well as vaerlt >> eric: daus mler had come alive in t secd half. >> bob: desknated three-point shoot --igesnated moccstte. shter. >>ric:our for x from behi thendarc. [ whistle ] >> bobjohnelreyhanged the offense. they go into whais cled a weed, where you dribble, penetrate on the perimeter until uyo can getsomebody's head and shoulde past the defe.er th drew fouln that one. thlot of energy to play way. mostly using theunce. eri one of t bter los ofhe day from rotne .lar >> bob: that usually happens frequentlyn thgame i not much in ts one. >> eric: ll. elw jper off the heel. bounfortson lls fard on th tailbo >>: brotnei clarkeas had very few open looks to get the ball off quickly. right here. a nicecree by shgton. he makes one a that's been infrequent for the razorbacks today. trleip cat do. there is not much he ndle.i foron loses the bob>>fortson is used to penetrating anthen making something happen when he gets in there. in thi game he is penrang and getting slapped from amongst the trees.innd a very ltle don there. foul.ic: and fortson is >> bob: a lot of ltleuys here they are. eric. six feet and under. youkepick. i think dney is thees among thisroup g leading t league in scoring. walker wal playing goodor the gats. and waen, onefr favotes ole miss pler is ark o is 6'.tallest take that five and play another te in ame s.e.c., do f chancef onihe t ga?me >> b: no. >> eric: no? >> b: no >> eric: he was on fire wepor. the anindlg. >> bob: somedy hbo to get a d anduard somebody. ressure.you cld pla the there e gu that are shoote in rse cons france. remember ris from tenness was awesome. lehumphrey not on a l o ople minds was desnaigd three-point shr oothe gators in the twoatiol chonam games. a lot of smallhis pyers in e lead to be accur from distan. >> eric: i tell you who w haveon wh the tea is adolf rup prupp. >> bob: a couple otseuys re in the 6'5" range. eri ggins made great hustle plays itheirst half back in thegame. lipa thrilled with the way that liggins was pying in the first half, rewarding him with playing time in t second half. bledsoe an offensive reund. fresh shot clock for the wildcats. seemsffortless for joh wall. bob: that iina of that is a thing of auty! that st should have hit the back of the rim the way he s oating in there. at tch!wh >> eri does he remind you of anyone? >> bob: he said he's his own ma lot a great quities. in particular. whdo you think>ericthin in >> eric: anthony hardaway. can stroke from outside and get inside. faastintpasser. maybe i like the bod oy john wall. beer, ttrong. >> bob: hear wt yoreha sayi. >> eric: from deep. >> bob: we mentioned him s.e.c. has been to the ncaa tourname in nte decade some of thgreae stla prs temaravichveraged 4 points aame, l.s.u. great, as was shaquille o'ne, right? florida's two back-tback championships adn't been there was ucla area and then duke won it ice d thtwy won. the plarsyeike brewe and green syed another year to pl again at florida. >> ec: riic bleoe and go to the beh. manys four of his guys go to the nb in the spring. accomplished whathey wanted to on theasketball floor as coegiates. >> bob: yeah. the young guys of ple bled ming out -- bledsoe coming out. eri wall is a done deal. patrick tterson who aduated come spring. most coaches say ye. coach, i'll get fresh player >> eric: the ball kicked a will stay with kentucky. eriou>>an create well anget d yers to come in as freshman, you you have to coach them. you haveo ha t demand dan accountability that he requires of his ys they don't come in and totomatically play well her. it'jot as --t's not as if you roll e ball out there and theye 'rrforming. there is a lot to it, besides. if they great talent, the things you dusually work. especially with wall. >> eric: extra pas sindesi. joh misses the y-up. ssed dunk byrkan as n the game. clocking has them intimidated. they go up for dunks thinking somebody is cong amithem. you e the play that cousins just d there? he showed on that small guard. and got m to back off. d welsh backed up itead of going althe l y to basket. foson tried to squeeze that passn. i and wall makes him pay!misses t! the lead stays at 42 for kentucky. >> bob: yo now the situation forohpelphrey is he has othe players in the ga. he pying the two-gud ot now. >> eric: couns picks uphe personal foul. his third. ill send foron to the line well.went ter e aafther a the fortson is a competitive person. heoes after it. he's n afraid to go in amongst the trees. bob: in the first half, they collided. the right arm hits csins in the face. of course, he lost a too there. stuff.e second half, same >> eric: oh! thats ine tough hombre. >> bobthat lin crease your smile power. >> eric: under 12:00 to play. muscle, doublingheir t pleasure. 80-40 thescore. >> bob: , ma >> eric: stevenson goi to go to the free-throw line. [ applause ] it looked likeohn all will lose the ball o tmes, maybe three times. got the mitts it and throws a laser. stevenson isfouled. it's been jo wallnd kentky doing a little bit of kentucky on top by 40. half. watson ba inck the s.e.c. network sdio.tu upping number eight tnessee at georgia. watch wayne chism. he goes to make a move and apars pe twist his knee. ft the game momentarily and appears now ready to check back in. we keep anye oit a es we go back out tokentucky. >> eric: thankou, whit. th's big deal in the e.c. whiz wayne chism is o of the better leade this ye. : especiallyith he four guys were expelled from the team and he took over. and tatum is back, but tyler smith is lost forernd williams situati is on untenable. chism has been the mhine in thei absence. >> eric:his is just o game. kentucky doing great things aga. ee vanderbil or tennessee ging the wildcat a rea realist run forheir ney? >> bob: absolutely. they have to play tenneeess n twice and vandy twice. it's not a foregone conclusion verything will go well. >> eric: we feel we feel contesd by cousins. bodies pl mainly stefan welsh. [ lghter ] th is four fouls on demarcus cousins. long for calipari.ll season how does he ke the big llowut ofe foul troue?bl >> bob: delay playersn the spot. orton is cing n.nd cousins. patterson is the other guy. they rotate tm thugroh. th oth get more foul and that is logicalecause kentucky prsures. somemes they get past the sket andhey'll blo the shot or foulhem. t he has to deal wh that. not like at memps, the year they almoston the national chamonshpi. t think this is a big al. eric: cousins played 20 minutes a game. we did the mbers, extrapolated. he was ablto pe y 40-minute game. lo at that. as it is in 20 minutes time, averages double-double. >> bob: that is productive, >>ric: t's not played diffence deandrliggins fouled to the cup. they go to the free-ro line. >> bob: sometimes they get angry at the perimeter players because the perimeter guys are doing a lousy job defendi and they get in foul trouble becae of. they don't see that withhis team. aggressive.at i see ise's sometimes he not'sn the right position because he's young. a lot ofeams who big men onlyyla20-24 minutes a a me. t of guydon't play in the 30s. guds do and it depends on your philoshy, right? i don't think 's an iss ue with the team. i ink ths the seasonoes g , hend orton will problbay learnhen to goor f a blocked shot and when toet it go. >> eric: mike washington just fouled out. th is the type of final game that ru and -- not qte the game that michael washington woulha hopedfo the miss. overrris. fortson with the trigger. >> eric: kentucky next g gagame is tuesday. do in columbia, south carolina. rolina ggamecocks.outh they havene of the mews sting playerin conferce, enwney, leading s.c. ial scoring. >> bob: down is from south and ansferred to south ati calina and is having a great caer there. arch was injured a so as a sult they don't have the full team theyergointo >> eic: kentucky kee the possession. the ball istucs on the baboard. th kentucky used the shot clock. liggins los it out of bounds. stays with kentucky. tepicks on the shot ock. ole miss and l.s.u. in the >> bob: remember, vanderbilt this summer wen a o trip to australia. ogilvy is theibest interior playernd hsro am australia. vin stallings, tir coach, used his own money to take them othe ip. enou go on a trip i tn summertime, it hpes e cohesivene of ur team. vandy is seeg thin resultsf that trip right now. >> eric: liinsgg called for the foul hits third. n will go to the >> bob: course. vanderbilt wn theyave h home ge, the benches are on the end line instead of t sidelines. tremendo advantage. them >> b: i coached at vanderbilt and iad a h h time communicating with my team. the vandrbt coach are used to that. e teams coming in there are not used to it ey are a tm to watch. >> eric: bledsoe h ias stripped away. noe. one of the few lan conveedrt th arkansas inhe bagame. first two points for nobles. >> bob: p. nobles was a startingoint guard when fortson was out. since fortson isback, he hasn't gotten ver manyy minutes a all. >> eric: edsoe. >> eric: arkaas basketllba. >> bob: watchi this and ing comes to my mind. they had an entire week of fdz hn calipari's team lksoo very f. at's easyo say inam a seem to get tired., but they they're not substituting lot. fitness seems toe a >> er: e freshman from ek. jackson, mississippi. this is probably the best two minuteof ps y r arkansas inhe ballgame. it's happening rht now with all ss the floor with the exception of fortson. johnsonn t icoring lumn. his first bucket. >> bob: a junior colle player who is in hisirst year here. >> bob: when washingtoisn in foul trouble hhas to giv them big minutes. >> eric: he earns t whistle and guess to the free-ro line. the first ul on courtney fortson. talk about john calipari. matricatedul here.for h courey ftson was mr. basketball ipainn e, high, 87. th kentucky they remember >> bob: yeah. you nto go to the universityf okentucky.these ars floating shot that john wall abt 6'8", 6'9", a three man out there. was battling with a physical line. >> eric: the trailer. powell with th lef hand. try and make this game >> bob: theyaveos test b ts far ahead. g rong if yoare jukansas. gfor it, right? >> eric: rtso s ittolen ay. another turnover. blsoe thether oay. the lastsequence. time-t on floor. we take it with him. when we comeac we talko kerjo phillipsho will ra cua welcoming you back to rupparena. kentuc wh an 83-62 m joined by joker phliil, the new head coach footbal team. what is ne onxtr to do list? >> i can't hear you. >> what is next? >> what is next is the third, we haveo fi t february st possiblplayers ailae r us in the next colef days. >> watching kencky ba is a treat for yo ca?t do you likebo the athletic and w had lgten in the basketballlaye p b i like toughness of the basketballeason. fast friends. achcolipari?i ow >>o question. he's one of t best saspple inheusins of hattics he and i have sred ideas. we will lean on him in our football program. caw n bastbalkeelp snoo logo out ere.tting our weon't dee le you have to say negative things get the logo out thee. we cane positive and being number one in the ti helps us get the logo out erth ty're well on their way today. >> thank you. ing us >> cohacal doesn't care about number one, but the playerand coach joker phillips wan i >> eric: tnk you. jor phkeli, this isn't a rpri he to ovefo rich he has been the cch in waiting for a while d he loved in these parts. he grew u a native kentuckian. de receiver atkentucky. a he'seen bou this ograpr llurry and rich ssistant cchoa ooks a g that has ahanc teo do odhingon the football >> sndlike he will get support. cousins wi ainging ubledooue. 14 rebounds. that is now dole-doubl mber ten othe year for the freshman. >> going way back machine, early '90s when the teams, the pride of t s.e.c. for a ve-yr riod. a tremendo ral.ry 1995, s.e.c. chaiop game. pitino matching wtsit with wilamn. >> bob: a fantastic ga. not souch for the gs fro kanarsas. >> eric: one-point ting b 19 points ihe first half. x ints and 38 seconds maining in overtime. the comeckats finding a er the razorbac.ksicto >> bob: anotr daf arkansas that sameear that they madit to e final miller and maybury andodd e'90s. days. they didn't win the natna thampionship. y hat scotty thurman and corlis wiiamson. >> listen to you! those we plers! >> they had gat players and 40 minutes of he out er fuat was the term used for the >> ec:f yoe ally f nolan e first set of guys we' r talking about, geary and oliver mler were in the to the floor.anel crumpled hit inheye. >> bob: atear arksas beat duke in final but another s.e.c. tm there at yr well, university of florida understood former coach krueger, not present coach billy donovan. >> eric: we'reoi to g all the y to the other end of e oor and shoot ee-thrs. >> bob: national championships and final fours are the ntucky. tho watinchg theyl likely be ranked number o andhere deserving . eyet t m challenge despite the uth. met the challenge playing on the neutral cou like madison square rden played h and games on the road and performewe. of course, in this building, allyreougreally, relyal, >>ri john hood in the game for the firste f kentucky. john cipari clrs oea t nch.be mill, hits the shot he's now gpoints. >> bob: has shown three-point shoin and from thehree-man shot as s ll 19.eric: rmfa, pull-u fromwith ntue on that. we talk about the national you we in the buildinn 1 ucky. 78 were an assista for whatere wuremories? 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"best dam sports show period" presents shocking moments in sports. we begin our countdown with an inspirational upset. coach jim valvano's most famous quote was don't give up. don't ever give up. never did his words have more meeting on the basketball court than the night in 1983 when his underdog wolfpack tried to conquer the high-flying cougars of houston. >> driving for the basket. down to the second. clinton berg. it's a long way. they won it! >> they used to see outfielders crash into the wall to make a play. but in 1981, riley mccray took his commitment of dense to a whole different level when he ran through the fence at portland's park. mccray was lucky and walked away with only minor scrapes and bruises. sock iris the most popular sport on the planet. except, of course, in america. so when the world famous david beckham went looking for a new team to play for, who expected him to come to the states? >> the decision to join the galaxy wasn't hard. >> $250 million over five years is what david will make. >> i'm coming there not to be the superstar. i'm coming there to be part of the team on the american side. it's very exciting for me and my family as well. ? fans have endured a century worth of failure and bad cluck. in 2003 the team was within five outs to the trip to the world series when madam misfortune reared her ugly head yet again. >> down the left-field line. into >> awfully close to interference right there. that was very, very close. >> that's a tough way to try to make that catch. >> why? here at wrigley when the opposing teal hit the home run, they throw the ball back onto the field. i'm surprised someone hasn't thrown that fan onto the field. the 2007 dallas dominated tba'slar seas qualified for postseason on the final day of the regular season. somebody forgot to tell the warriors they were huge underdogs as they shocked the mavericks in dallas to win game one. >> an incredible, stunning victory. >> golden state proved it was no fluke by winning games three and four on their home court. >> listen to the crowd! >> and then in game six the warriors completed their mission, blowing out the mavs in the second half and playoffs. before the news bulletins on performance enhancing drugs, most baseball fans trusted that the accomplishments of their home run heroes were genuine. >> oh, my goodness. that is going to explode. >> 2003 suspicions were raised regarding one popular slugger. >> right here. bouncing ball up the middle. a run is gonna score. anderson, throw to first in time. >> this is looking for a few more pieces of the lumber. >> they are looking to see what's in the bat. they want to so really the bat that shouldn't be in there. >> wow. >> the only time you see something in there is if the bat is corked. this is a very interesting development. >> when sammy hit the ball, his bat split obviously. his catcher picked up the bat and said look at this, and there was a small piece of cork in the bat. >> sosa was ejected from the game and served a seven-game suspension for using the illegal bat. the legendary bobby knight, famous for his outrageous behavior both on and off the court. >> i will handle this the way i want to handle it the way i'm here. you [ bleep ] it up to begin with. >> but it was this game in 1985 when coach knight shocked us the most. >> excellent free-throw shooter whether have the honor of the technical. looky here. looky here. bobby knight just threw a chair across the free-throw line. and i think he picked up another t. the baltimore colts won four titles as one of the nfl's top organizations. but in 1984 they went looking for greener pastures. when they moved in the middle of the night, they shocked and angered their most loyal fans. >> i hate to see a man cry. the colts had to sneak out of town at night. it's a great act of thievery at the ballpark. an assault on the ice. >> it was myspace.com and "the best damn shorts show." check it out. we now return to "the best damn shocking moments in sports." tennessee was on the brink of losing their opening round playoff game to buffalo. they fielded a kickoff with only seconds remaining on the clock. >> do the titans have a miracle left in them? christie kicks it high and short. batch to wycheck. he throws it across the field. >> he's got something! he's got it! he's got it. >> 50, 40, 20 10shgs -- >> he's got it! touchdown! there are no flags on the field! it's a miracle! tennessee has pulled a miracle! in game one of the 1996 alcs, the yankees trailed baltimore by one. in the bottom of the eighth inning, a rookie name derek jeter stepped up to the plate. >> in right field tarasco going back to the track, to the wall. and what happens here? he contends the fan reaches up and touches richie hrun. it. he's right! he's right. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> oh, wow. meanwhile, here's the kid, receiving congratulations all around. >> it was one of the wildest finishes in nba history. after kobe bryant had put the lakers up by one, the spurs turned to their big man. >> to duncan. he gets doubled. zach all over him. he get as way the fade away. he makes it with .4 left. unbelievable! >> the lakers were left with just .4 on the clock, and needing a miracle. >> here they go. they get it to gary hesc gary scores at the zzer! l have it. >> it was very close. the ball has to be out his hands. yeah, it's out of his hands. it's out of his hands. >> wow. it's good. >> just an unbleblable game. >> one lucky shot deserves another. >> that was the cruellest loss i have ever been involved with. >> fans are used to fights breaking out at hockey games but in 1979 the fans at madison square garden were a little too eager to join in on the action. >> the fans are now getting involved. as the rally is out into the stands. this is going to be something. o'reilly is at the stands fighting with ranger fan. all the bruins are going over. they are all into the stands. going up to grab somebody. about seven or eight rows up. >> you have to worry about a spectator. >> the bruins are at quite a disadvantage with those stakes out there. somebody can get seriously hurt. >> take another look at mike milbury removes the fan's shoes proceeds to feed him with it. after never before finishing higher than ninth place, the mets in 1969 enjoyed aal sumat theh . they were heavy underdogs to the powerful baltimore orioles. but new york was up for the challenge. >> the 2-1 pitch. there's a fly ball out to left. the mets are the world champions! gary is being mobbed. look at this scene! >> we must not forget all of the beautiful fans that we had in shea stadium all year long. it's just been a great year and thank god it's over now. >> i thought he was here. >> oh, i just can't believe it! it's been a year of miracles and it's marvelous. coming up -- a wild finish on the gridiron. a bizarre brawl. uth , yearoy ed ugamelf hisr. by e oe wa alrutplhim. th of entl ng tior chamips e ag4? fn 16on. dds t sa akino th feurpro-tour fn 7 n. th of e "sy" g opepionnce and the u.s. chship? 780ion. e o rofel goavin a ciagnith ? 1 in erls eges tn ths ofm tism.org we now return to "the best damn shocking moments in sports." it was the ultimate example of david versus goliath. tiny chaminade university of hawaii, with an enrollment of 800 students, hosting powerful virginia, ranked number one and led by player of the year ralph sanchez. >> basketball players a tiny college in hawaii fliering high and with good reasons. >> chaminade actually pulled off one of the upsets of the entry, handling the nation's top ranked and previously undefeated virginia team. legendary ohio state football coach woody hayes was famous for his temper. and in 1978 that temper proved costly. >> woody hayes has been fired as coach of ohio state because of what happened in the gator bowl last night. woody hayes punches clemson's charlesy bauman because bauman had the audacity of setting off an reefer pack. so eddie hayes is out after 28 years of coach of ohio state. in 1982, the cal bears proved why teams should always keep fighting until the final whistle. >> the bears have to get out of bounds. roth areas long the sideline. another one. they are still in trouble midfield. the ball is still loose as they get it to rogers. they get it to the 30, down to the 20. all of the band is out on the field! he's going to go into the end zone! he's going into the end zone! the bears have scored. the bears! the bears have won! the bears have won! pedro martinez threw him down. >> he was the best hockey player in history, and canada's most famous citizen. andrs oade wirl what, they traded who? >> they got traded? no way. >> they traded him? >> we think he lacks the most in house. >> there comes a time when -- when -- >> wayne gretzky was now in hollywood and the nhl would never be the same. he was the heart and soul of the yankees team that was the two-time defending world series champions. >> the new york yankees and sports fans everywhere suffered a great loss tonight. that of star catcher thurmond munson, who was killed this afternoon in an airplane catch. >> we pause to pray for thurmond munson, our brother and your faithful son. he won the kentucky derby by the largest margin in 60 years. at the preakness, all eyes were on barbaro as he tried to move one step closer to the triple crown. but fans were shocked as the horse pulled up shortly after the race began. the colt had suffered a freak accident, breaking several bones in his right rear leg. his career was over and barbaro's injuries led to near complications that ultimately proved fatal. nancy kerrigan was america's best skater heading into the 1994 winter olympics, until a vicious attack. >> why? why? >> we have more now on a breaking story. figure skating champion nancy kerrigan was attacked. >> i'm pretty and angry that someone would do this. i really want to skate today, but the doctors all said i shouldn't. >> why? i worked really, really hard. >> i a major twist to the story was learned when it came to light friends of tonya harding were involved in the attack. but it didn't come to light in time before she captured the silver medal. >> over 700 million people around the world watched the 2006 world cup final. france and italy went to overtime. that's when french captain zidane tangled with italy's marco mat rossi. the surprising headbutt crumpled the italian. zidane was ejected from the final game of his otherwise brilliant career. italy took advantage and went on in sports. in part two, we will reveal our 20 most shocking moments in sports history. >> i'm innocent. >> from the amazing -- >> there's a plane coming down on the field. >> to the surreal. >> i will have to retire from the lakers. >> the shocking moments in sports, only on "the best damn sports show period." caption funding provided by fox sports net i tothe efor outh. te . alod c and weapons and defense systems that he was very quickly made head of development and research at the aberdeen proving ground. and while he was there, he just proved very gifted at advancing systems that were already there. he made several advances in a recoilless shooting canon. he worked on -- funny, at that point, edison was a very old man and had all kinds of notions about explosives. and it was his job to test many of edison's wilder notions, some of which he said almost got them killed. but in the process, there was no proper means at that time of measuring the velocity of shells fired from guns, which meant, practically speaking, you didn't know how long it would take for them to hit the target. and there were various systems for measuring that were very bulky and cumbersome, involved a lot of equipment, very slow, and not practical in the field. and he and another scientist came up with a device called at that time loomis chronograph. it was later called the aberdeen chronograph, which was a very sophisticated, advanced system for measuring the velocity of shells. and that was his first invention, proper invention, i suppose, and he did later get a patent for that. and i think that whet his interest in science for life, and he would then return to it as soon as he had the money. c-span: so world war i, he was out of there in 1919 or so? >> guest: that's right, he was out of it in 1919, and his sister had married a yale classmate, actually thllow was a year or two younger. his sister, julia loomis, had married a very, very promising young banker named landon k. thorne, landon ketchum thorne, and he was quite the salesman. and by the time loomis came out of world war i, thorne was already known in sort of the "wall street journal" and the newspapers as a real up-and-comer, a sharp-eyed deal-maker, and he was considered to be one of the most promising young security salesmen on wall street. and he had his eye on a firm called bonbright and company, which was a very sleepy firm. most of its big clients had sort of lost their money, and it had sort of lost its way. and he and loomis partnered up. he talked loomis into quitting the law firm and joining in with him, even though loomis was not at that point a banker. and they took over bonbright in a kind of bloodless coupe, and they took it over and went right into public utility financing. and over the next 10 years, they would become the absolute leaders in public utility financing on wall street and would write over 15 percent of all the securities issues, billions of dollars in deals, and became phenomenally wealthy and powerful in a very, very short run in the booming 20's. c-span: how long did he stay in that business? >> guest: he stayed with bonbright -- he steered bonbright to this tremendous success, and then in 1929 he and thorne, because they had been underwriting most of the deals and were intimately acquainted with the market fluctuations as they made these public offerings on these enormous superpower companies. they felt that the market was out of control. there last offering was a united corporation, an enormous superpower. it was done with morgan. it was one of the biggest deals of its day, and it went for a huge price -- much higher than they had thought it deserved. and they felt at that point that the market was out of control. they very quietly began pulling out of the market and putting all their holdings in cash. and when black thursday hit, 1929, they were sitting on a mountain of cash, and they proceeded to do very well then in subsequent years along with -- there were other financiers, bernie baruch and a few others, who profited in the depression years when others really lost everything. and loomis is estimated to have made about $50 million between '29 and '34. and really, i think, once he had that fortune, he wanted to return to his old love. he had been doing science all of long, sort of in a backyard laboratory and then a larger one in tuxedo park, and he quit wall street. he resigned from every board. and in 1934, at the age of 47, he became a physicist full-time. c-span: age of, did you say 47? >> guest: he was 47. c-span: there's a picture of tower house. where is this? >> guest: that was the mansion that he bought in tuxedo park.6. it was about a mile from his family home, which is another stately mansion, where he lived with his wife and kids. and tower house was a crumbling old mansion, and he gutted it and turned it into a state-of-the-art deluxe laboratory. he put the most expensive equipment in the world in that laboratory. that was equipment that at the time universities could not afford. he bought three shortt clocks. they were very famous astronomical clocks, the most exact clocks in the world. in fact, big ben is a shortt clock. they were fabulously expensive. he bought no less than three for his laboratory. and over the years, in the late 20's and throughout the 30's, while he worked on wall street doing the day, he would go back to tuxedo park on weekends and do experiments in physics with this fabulous equipment it this basically private scientific playground that he had built for himself. and during this period, he would send first-class tickets and invitation to all of the most famous european scientists, basically the men he wanted to sort of play with and study with. he met them on trips to europe he had made with a very famous american physicist named robert wood, who he had met at aberdeen, and they had sort of teamed up. he was financing wood's studies, and wood was teaching him physics. and wood was really a brilliant, eccentric figure. very colorful, very well-known in europe, very highly regarded. and they would offer these invitations to marconi, eisenberg, einstein, and they would say, here's a first-class ticket. we'll pick you up in a rolls. you will come to this fabulous mansion, and you will be hosted at a fabulous scientific conference, and black-tie dinners every night, and april haraman will drop by for drinks. and then we will do physics during the day in this state-of-the-art laboratory. and the europeans understood this concept, because it was very common in europe for famous scientists to have laboratories in mansions next to their manor houses. darwin had had one. very famous british physicist named lord raleigh had had one, thomas merton, another famous physicist, had an enormous laboratory built in a mansion right across the river from his estate. so this was a concept that was very familiar to europeans. it was also very common in france. and they would come -- they would accept his invitation, and one by one they came to tuxedo park throughout the 30's -- these are the depression years. american universities had no money, and they would be sort of on a lecture tour. so they would accept this first-class steamer ticket. they would come to tuxedo park and give a talk. 40 or 50 famous scientists from around america would convene in tuxedo park. and then they would go on there lecture circuit, but they had been well-financed already by loomis. of course, loomis gained quite a worldwide reputation in a decade or so, that he did this. i mean, he knew everybody in the world of physics and biology and chemistry. c-span: how many homes are there in tuxedo park? >> guest: well, it's actually quite a small area, but you mean, of these mansions? i couldn't tell you. c-span: yes. i mean, when you talk about tuxedo park, what are we talking about in terms of... >> guest: you're talking about 6,000 acres. it's quite a small area. but in the turn of the century, when it was first settled by this tobacco heir, pierre lorillard, it was setup to be the most elegant resort, sort of hunting and fishing community, and it was first dubbed as a short-season place between newport and new york. you were supposed to go there in the fall and shoot, and have this fabulous hunting mansion. and it then became a gilded suburb by the time loomis arrived in the 1920's. c-span: what's it like now? >> guest: well, these enormous mansions were built, you know, 60,000 square feet, 40 bedrooms. they had to have 25 servants to run them. and it was impractical by any measure. it was virtually decimated by the crash. it was really -- it was morgans, it was vanderbilts, some astors, gullats. it was really new york banking money and railroad money, and it was devastated by the crash of 1929. many, many houses were scuttled, burned, because people couldn't pay the taxes, or they lay empty for so many years that they were uninhabitable and later to c-span: during those years, he was married to ellen farnsworth, and this is a picture of her right here, at his wedding. >> guest: that's his society wife. she was the prettiest debutante of her year in boston. c-span: what was happening during those years? what was his relationship to her? >> guest: well, you know, she was a classic product of her day in boston, actually very similar to my own grandmother. they were from very learned families. they were well off. their brothers went to harvard, and they were schooled at home. they were educated in greek and latin. they read french and german and italian. they knew opera. and they couldn't do anything. they couldn't boil water. they were utterly impractical creatures, and quite thwarted because they were very bright. and they tended to produce singularly neurotic women. and ellen farnsworth was no exception. she was really far better educated than most women of her day, but utterly unable to run a household. she couldn't function at all. she always had to have five irish maids around here, to dress her, to bring her tea. and she spent many, many afternoons prone, in her bedroom, taking various sorts of draughts to calm her nerves. and she was quite a handful. and a very old-fashioned woman, considering that she married a very energetic, sort of forward-looking man, who would later become a scientist. so, they were ill-suited. c-span: did she have any idea that he was having this ongoing affair with minette? >> guest: that is very difficult to say. when you think of how small a community it was, and how often they saw each other. this young couple, the hobart's, had a house right near theirs, in tuxedo park. he had pretty much taken hobart on as the director of his laboratory. hobart didn't need to work. he was very wealthy. it was sort of a hobby for him, an occupation. and he was interested in science, as loomis was. and he ran the laboratory, and ellen farnsworth loomis pretty much adopted hobart's young wife as a daughter, almost. so they would have had dinner several times a week. they vacationed together. they took cruises together. they were very, very close. c-span: for how long did the affair go on? >> guest: nobody knows exactly when it began, but it probably had begun by '38 or '39. and they -- it was in secret, pertinently. c-span: you said that alfred loomis had a signaling device of mirrors or something, that let her know that it was time for the get together. >> guest: yes. there houses were across tuxedo lake from one another. tower house was on a very high hill, and it looked down right across tuxedo lake, to the shoreline, and the hobart house was right on the cliff. and he developed a system of mirrors where they could flash each other to indicate that they might want to meet at the glass house, this separate, third structure that he built as a guest house, and it became pretty much their private hideaway. most people believe that mrs. loomis must have known. she hated the glass house, and alfred would not allow any of the household staff, cleaning staff, to enter the house. c-span: or his wife. >> guest: or his -- well, she wanted no part of it. but it was off limits to everybody except a few of the tower house scientists, visiting guests, and i think that it's very likely that mrs. loomis knew what was going on. in those days, of course, it wasn't that uncommon and you didn't say anything. c-span: in 1945, april the 4th, near the date that fdr died, here is the wedding picture, including this, whatever that -- what do you call those things? >> guest: it's a muff. c-span: a muff. >> guest: that would be a fur muff. in fact, i saw the actual suit. the hobart family still has it, the size two bonwit and teller black suit with white rabbit cuffs and collars. quite an item. c-span: and where is this taken? >> guest: this was a shotgun wedding in carson city, nevada. he married minette. he shocked everybody by marryine -- later, the same day of his divorce, in 1945. c-span: he's 57, she's 36? >> guest: that's right. c-span: did they ever have children? >> guest: they did not. she had two very small children. her children were much younger. loomis' children were out of college and, in fact, they had all just returned from the war, all three of them. c-span: but she named one of her children... >> guest: she had two sons, two small boys. at that point, they would have been about 6 and 7, and her youngest son was named alfred lee hobart, in honor of his beloved godfather, and that was always a source of some scandal. c-span: but what happened in new york society after they married? >> guest: it was considered very shocking. i actually interviewed a number of people that still were sort of younger members of bonbright and company and wall street firms, that remembered the scandal surrounding the divorce and wedding. and it was just not done. you did not divorce your sickly society wife. you certainly did not try to put her in a mental institution to get her out of the way, which is what loomis at one point attempted to do with his wife when he was seeing minette. and it was also seen a bit as stealing the wife from his very proper protg, his best friend. and also, because they had been in his employ, there was some feeling that he had been marrying an employee. she had worked for tower house as well, part-time, as the secretary, during the war years, and that was just not done. it was so scandalous at the time, that many of his lifelong friends, henry simpson's peers, the heads of winthrop, simpson and putnam, at that point a very, very powerful law firm, literally snubbed him. people he had known his whole life wouldn't speak to him, turned their backs on him. and he was really a social pariah for some years. c-span: is there anything particularly interesting about the fact that these following four people have endorsed your book on the back? kurt vonnegut, timothy ferris, stephen ambrose and ken auletta. are they friends? did you ask them to do that, or was it the publisher? >> guest: kurt vonnegut is a friend. and because he's written so brilliantly about world war ii, in fact was (unintelligible) and he was somebody i spoke to quite often when i was writing the book. he has a house in sagaponack, and i see him very often in long island during the summer. and he was tremendously supportive, so i sent him the book. i knew it would be of interest to him. ken auletta is a great friend. and because he writes about great corporate tycoons and figures for "the new yorker," we thought it would be appropriate. tim ferris and ambrose are two of the authors that my editor, alice mayhue, at simon and schuster, has nurtured along, and so that was her choice. c-span: who's in this picture right here? >> guest: that's a very famous photograph that was taken in berkeley, and that is when the group of physicists were meeting at lawrence and loomis's request, to discuss the financing of the big atom smasher. c-span: alfred loomis, all the way to the right. your grandfather in the middle, james conant? >> guest: james conant is the one with his hands up in the middle. loomis is on the far-right. let's see if i can -- then there's vannevar bush, who's in the middle there under the blackboard. c-span: with the glasses. >> guest: ernest lawrence is all the way on the far-left. i believe you have karl compton, sitting right next to loomis, and arthur compton is next to lawrence. and it was, i think, taken by john (unintelligible). c-span: when you hear the name ernest lawrence, is that the lawrence livermore laboratory? >> guest: yes, it is. c-span: and located where? >> guest: that's located in california. and ernest lawrence was a berkeleyhy he was just one of the many and he happened to visit tower physicists who came for a conference there. house in 1936. he was already, in 1936, a formidable figure. at 1930, he had invented the cyclotron, the first atom smasher, and he was, you know, achieved international acclaim by then. c-span: what's this picture of? >> guest: that is a picture of, i think, the 60 inch cyclotron, which was an even larger atom smasher, which he then built at berkeley. and he had raised money for something called the rad lab, or the radiation laboratory at berkeley. it was a very, very famous physics laboratory where he was experimenting with high accelerated particle beams and very high voltage generators, which is essentially what the cyclotron was. and loomis and lawrence took an immediate liking to each other 1936. they literally became best friends over that weekend. and by the end of the weekend, loomis was completely onboard in terms of wanting to back lawrence's research. lawrence, this is the 30's, was in constant need of money. here he was, a brilliant physicist. he was eager to get on with building these machines. and he spent more than half of his time fundraising, traveling the country, trying to get corporate big wigs and rockefellers and people like that to give him money, scrounging for parts and supplies, and any kind of funding he could get to pay for the kind of physicists he wanted to have work for him at this giant research laboratory he was putting together at berkeley. c-span: what is loran? who invented it? what impact did it have on the war? >> guest: well, loran stands for long-range navigation device. it was -- everything that wad done during the war by alfred loomis was really done in the field of microwave research. very powerful microwave transmitters. but there was one exception. when the british came over with something called a cavity magnetron, this very powerful generator that would allow them to have microwave radar systems for the first time, and they created the mit radiation laboratory, the mit rad lab, to build these powerful microwave systems that were based on the british cavity magnetron. everything was done together with the british, and the idea essentially, the basis for the systems, came from the british. they brought with them all of their years of research that they had done in the 1930's, and their experience, called the tizard mission. c-span: who is this crowd, right here? >> guest: that is in fact in front of the glass house, the secret hideaway house in tuxedo park. and that is the tizard mission, and that's in the fall of 1940. c-span: which one is taffy bowen? >> guest: taffy bowen is this happy-looking fellow right next to ernest lawrence, and that's loomis on the far-right, at the mit radiation (unintelligible). ed bouls is next to taffy bowen. c-span: and he was british? brilliant radar pioneer. he was british, and he had helped build the chain home system, which had guarded london during the blitz. and he and cocroft and a number of other top british radar specialists -- cocroft was a physicist in fact, were tapped by henry tizard and charged really by winston churchill to go to america with all of britain's top military secrets, and this very precious invention, the cavity magnetron, which held the future for very powerful new radar devices -- to smuggle them across the ocean to america, and see if they could not convince the americans, in exchange for all these military secrets and technology, to aid britain by building these devices. britain had done tremendous work, but they were under siege from germany. they didn't have the men. the didn't have the materials. and they didn't have the money to develop these scientific ideas any further. america was not in the war. we could not really publicly support them. but we could privately continue the research that they had started, and that is what churchill was hoping for. it would later develop and flourish under something called the land lease act, and that gets very complicated. but this was basically a backdoor way of getting american support. loomis personally invited them to tuxedo park. they unveiled this cavity magnetron in tuxedo park. loomis privately financed some early research in radar, and then roosevelt gave them a very large grant, and they started this private laboratory at mit to actually build most of the radar systems that were put on virtually every airplane and submarine during the war. during this time, loomis developed the notion for something called loran. whether or not it was based on ideas that he may have gleaned from the british, nobody knows. the british had a rudimentary system called gee, that bore many similarities to what loran would later become. but gee was not among the ideas that was disclosed to the americans, so it is not clear whether he extrapolated some of this information from the british and then made the necessary leaps to what this system should look like, whether he came up with it spontaneously, which is not incredible to believe -- because many radar systems and devices -- people had most of the knowledge and it was coming up, popping up, similar devices all over the place. it was sort of right at the bursting point. anyway, he developed this notion for a long-range radar system, kind of a grid system, where you could track vessels at great distances. and it became one of the most important navigational devices during the war, and is still used today. c-span: by the way, who went on then to found the rand corporation? >> guest: well, loomis worked with a number, obviously, of brilliant scientists and administrators and lawyers in putting together this giant laboratory and running it, all during the war. it was a massive operation. c-span: you said 2,000 people at one time. >> guest: at its height. and millions and millions and millions of dollars in congressional funding, and they issued hundreds of thousands of contracts. i mean, the number of devices, commercial devices, that came out of that laboratory. and these were contracts that they were writing by the hour, by the month, and they needed very sophisticated lawyers and businessmen to run it. one of the lawyers that he hired was a san francisco attorney named roland geyser, who became ernest lawrence's closest friend as well. and geyser founded the rand corporation and asked loomis to help be a founding member of it. and he and geyser laid the groundwork for what became the rand corporation. c-span: this is off topic a little bit, but who bought hilton head, s.c.? >> guest: at the height of his wall street fortunes, he and landon thorne, this would be 1930, were living very large. they went through a period of sort of -- well, we're familiar with it from the 80's, when tycoons start spending their money. and they bought an america's cup yacht, which they raced in 1930. that was -- only sort of vanderbilt's and astor's did that in those days. syndicates and millionaires was unheard of -- for two individual tycoons to take on such a large expense. and the following year, 1931, they decided to buy hilton head island, 20,000 acres plus. a huge tract of land. it was then largely uninhabited island. there was no bridge. it was only reachable by boat. and they bought it as a private hunting and fishing reserve, and they had it for nearly 20 years. c-span: about out of time, but i want to ask you about your grandfather, james conant, former president of harvard for 22 or 23 years, whatever. in the end, even though he was involved in the manhattan project, did he want to drop the bomb? >> guest: i do think he wanted to drop the bomb. i mean, "want to" is a difficult term, but at that moment the prevailing wisdom was, we were war-weary as a nation, and i think that the feeling then was that you had to do something to shock the japanese into backing down. i think they did want to drop the bomb, the first one, anyway. however, after the war, my grandfather was among the scientists that became very remorseful. and with some of the los alamos scientists, he founded the society for the prevention of nuclear proliferation. loomis and lawrence went the other way. they never suffered from any remorse about their role in the development of the bomb, and they proceeded to push for the development of the h bomb, which my grandfather was adamantly opposed to. so they split very much in the 50's. c-span: when did they shut tuxedo park down? >> guest: he shuttered tuxedo park in '40, when he went off to start the mit radiation laboratory, and he never really properly returned. and then he sold it in the late 40's. c-span: when did he die? >> guest: he died in 78. c-span: of what? >> guest: he had a stroke and dropped dead, literally on the spot. they found him on the floor. c-span: his wife, minette? >> guest: she lived for a long time thereafter, and she actually -- loomis had asked an old protgof his from tuxedo park, one of the scientists who had worked there for him, if he would look after minette after he died. and she then married him a year after loomis's death. c-span: what was his name? >> guest: i was afraid you would ask me that, and i can't think of his name. i'll think of it in a minute. c-span: this book, for you, what kind of an experience was it? >> guest: you know, it basically had endless pleasures, because the character of tuxedo park, that community, was great fun, as a backdrop. very cloistered, waspy, sort of gilded environment. the most unlikely place for somebody to start a secrets physics laboratory where he would invite the brilliant scientists of europe. and then of course all of the fleeing jewish scientists who came in, much to the horror of his neighbors, as they came to tuxedo park to visit alfred loomis. so you had this wonderful locale, and then this very grand, complicated, eccentric character, so it was a great sprawling tale. c-span: our guest has been jennet conant. this is what the book looks like. c-span: jennet conant, author of "tuxedo park," who was alfred

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