The book line, in massachusetts, this is an hour. Thank you so much for coming out and were thrilled to have you. Please turn off or silence your cellphones, and give them a check for me. I will tell you that, our series is full of talks like the one you will hear tonight. Michael harvey, and, they will be here tomorrow night and monday, well hear from steven axelrod. Follow us on twitter or instagram. Clara is the author of witness to the revolution. Hippies and the year america lost its mind and found its soul. And land mark law, the best book of the year, and won the speaking out for justice award. Women on the hill. Claire a is a former newsweek correspondent. And many publications and the last mountain, a critics pick of the new york times. Well be playing a short trailer for witness to the revolution and well watch that right now. Good evening. I want to talk to you, on the subject of deep concern for all americans, the war in vietnam. I would like to answer some of the questions that i know are on the minds of many of you listening to me. How and why we were like 21, 22, 23yearsold. We were kids. We were people who came up in acta vimple. We were born in the Antiwar Movement. All this was happening, and one principal was, look to the most on the part pressed. Q. Black and power shocked the nation. I mean, white people went nuts. They went nuts. I am, a revolutionary, and you keep on saying that. Even though i was incarcerated at the time, i knew that, the Police Officers, with the guns, and that was set up. Later it was proven that was set up. We identified that i was convinced that these guns were not loaded with live ammo, until i saw the ground, and i realized that they were live bullets. And i was also shot at that point. All units and shooting units. My sister was 343 feet away from her shooters. You had people linking arms, and being peppersprayed, or beaten for calling for an end to the war. You saw moments, and were part of moments where the human spirit was really at its best. I think its fair to say, that we lost all our political struggles. We didnt end capitalism, and, racism, and we didnt actually end the war in vietnam. However, we did win all cultural battles. Theres no place in the United States that you can go today, where theres into the womens movement, Environmental Movement. Alternative health movement. These things are exert longterm pressures that are transform maketive. Hi, thank you for come, and thank for inviting me here. Im not going to touch anything. Theres so few independent bookstores left and im excited to come to this one, thats as big and vibrant and is a community center. Im thrilled to be here. I also wanted to give a shoutout, to a colleague of mine. She is sitting over there, being shy. Who is the lawyer for this book which required a lot of work. She was im glad that shes here. This video, that you just saw, or the voices that you heard, were from tape recorded interviews that i conducted, with 100 different people, not in their only a few, and i talked to 100 people over the course of 3 years who were involved in different parteds. All of them lived in america. [laughter] i decided, that i missed the 1960s. I was born in 1963, i grew up in new york city and my playground was the staging ground for the Antiwar Movement. I knew a lot, a lot was going on, as a young child. But i wasnt completely aware of the significance of it. My early heroes for shirley and this was all theatre to me. When i graduated from college, in 1985, it was 15 years after the largest student strike in america, which you just saw the statistics. There were 700 colleges closed down, 2. 5 Million Students went on strike after kent state and the invasion of cambodia. No one took finals. And yet i graduated just 15 years later to the midst of the reagan administration, a few of us went to battle, on the streets against apartheid, and, otherwise it was very quiet. They went off to work at wall street. I just knew that my life was different because of what had happened in the 1960s. I could live any sort of live i wanted to lead. I wanted to know what it was about this revolution that i had missed and how that activism, had changed my generation and all the generation to follow. I thought it was a good time to go back and you can go back. And revisit what had occurred, and, enormously. And the library that i just collected, in my research was vast. So, i didnt feel like it was cheeky to decide that i could take on this decade, as a kid who wasnt there. But, it seemed like the right time to revisit the decade and talk to people who were activists because many were in their late 60s, and 70s, and, so much had gone on, in the last 45 years, that there was a lot to talk about. I wanted to catch them, at a time when they still remembered what they had done, and wanted to reflect. So, i set about, traveling around the country i decided to focus on the school year of 1969 7 0, which is a period of time which i considered to be the climax. And i tried to recreate, this is all first person voice. I recreated many of the big events that occurred through personal stories. So it was a really moving experience to get people to tell me what had happened to them. Everyone remembered everything because it was so traumatic. I thought i would have to worry about fading memories. But that wasnt the case. Everyone was traumatized. Whether they had come back from the war or were fighting against the war on the streets. Or even part of the Counter Culture or the feminist movement. They did things that they felt were extremely important. They committed their lions, in a way that no one in my generation had done. Woodstock. I looked at wood stock through the eyes of david harry who, at the time was in jail. His wife, joan baez was pregnant and singing on stage and telling everybody, the 500,000 people, who appeared, and, in new york, all about her husband who had started the resistance. It was a large group of draft evaders, who decided the best thing to do, which, by the way, affected the lives of 27 Million People between 1965 and 1973, 2. 2 million american men were drafted. So, instantly, politicizing experience. David harris thought that the most morally correct thing to do was to go to jail. He tried to convince as many people to take that route. David harris was raised in the Civil Rights Movement. So he had gone to mississippi, as had tom haden and so many people who were later in the Antiwar Movement. They had worked in the Civil Rights Movement in the south. David harris was a student at stanford. So, ill read sections from the book. This is david harris speaking. I considered myself part of the movement from the day i left for mississippi. What we called the movement, capital t. , capital m. Was a commitment to justice, and the values of democracy. They called us the new left because it wasnt a i de i de on guy. There wasnt a politician attached to t. In that era, when any male turned 18ed to register for the selective service. They gave you two cards. One was proof, and the other indicated your classification. Because, there were various classifications. 1a, 2 you were going to get a notice soon in the mail. And then, you were unable to perform and exempt. In between that, was 2 s which was the student defer meant. Anybody in college, making reasonable progress add temporary exception until they finished their education. That was the system that covered all of our lives, anyway. There were people going to graduate school. Because early on, it was an exception. They were going to draft family men, and, take a year off and just go to paris, youre headed to are for the tall grass. This defined everybodys life. I see a few nods. So, the draft really is the spine of the story, in many ways, and it is probably, the reason why, this group of early babyboomers were called the awakened, generation. Theres nothing that wakes you up more than realizing how you act will have an impact on whether you live or die. So, a perfect storm took place by the end of the 1960s. We the vietnam war and the draft. Political side. And, working arminarm, and then there was also the revolution. I conclude, and many of the people that i interviewed, that l. S. D. Played a part in that to some extent. And marijuana. I said in the book that l. S. D. , used, in the 1969s was the secret ingredient that help to propel a change in lifestyle. It was called a revolution or a psychedelic revolution. 2 million americans had dropped acid. And onethird of all College Students had smoked marijuana. The resistance to the draft, in the secondhalf of the decade, combinds with the Counter Culture created a nationwide combustion. And again, david harris add lot to say about that. He was at stanford, in the mid60s. He was elected, the president , and, he had long hire. At one point, froot brothers shaved his head. Meanwhile even though, for a long time, political left and the Counter Culture did not, were not always friendly and they had different ideals and different objectives. But david harris found himself right in the eye of the of that bullseye. Because he was in palo alto. This is what he told me. About the same time i took acid for the first time. Ken was doing his trips. And he was a figure around stanford because he lived up in the hills, in a town, we all knew him and we took acid with him several times. A lot of hippies were looking to get stoned and dance. We were all, for getting stoned and play, and the Serious Business was how to deal with the machine. All those things were mingled together and all part of the same uprising of young people. Because the tickets that were being written were bad. At best, criminal. It wasnt acid, it was the whole thing, growing your hair out. You have to remember we grew up in the 1950s. It was a time of no options. There was only one way to be, when i grew up in we had three choices. You could be john wayne, or john wayne, in the sands of iwo jima. That was it. So what happened in the 60s, in what was summarized as hippie was making options. There were other ways to be than the way that everyone was insisting. And we were going to find them. After august a group of pretty straight antiwar activists. Many were clean for gene. They had campaigned for Eugene Mccarthy and the committee to end the war. And, on october 15th, they staged what was the largest ever protest against the war. 2 Million People all over the country went on strike for one day. Had teach ins. And different events to oppose the war and this is very, very threaten threatening. It wasnt just radmanovic cal fridge. This is something that was multi generational now and the country was turning against the war by 1969, more than 50 were against the war. So, it proved that this is no longer a fringe movement. This is broader. One of the ways, that, the administration dealt with this, they tried to intimidate the members of the committee. One was a man named david mixer and he was gay. He had a very indim dating and scary incident occur to him. This is something that the early nixon administration, f. B. I. Was involved with. Ill tell you what happened. Because it was really quite shocking. I was terrified to tell my dad if i was drafted. I wouldnt serve which is a joke now because all i had to do was tell them i was gay and i would have been out. But being in jail for five years appealed more to me than letting anyone know that i was gay. Its pretty powerful. Thats all i had to say. I would have rather gone to jail than have anyone know the truth. I wouldnt have been allowed to do anything, and cochair of the moratorium. I had to fight to get marriage, aboard. Women were not given good roles. I would have immediately been discarded. And then, this is what happened to him right after. One night i got drunk, went to this really remote bar and this vision was god came in. He was exactly my type. Intelligent. Handsome, and we ended up going home together. He said i work for the federal government. I dont want you to panic. I want to create at safe place for you. I have feelings for you. He had everything i loved, in his house. Tennyson. And all the great poets and, janice joplin. To make a long story short we started an affair and he did become a very safe place for me. About 30 days into it he said he had to go away for the weekend. When he got back, he said lets meet for lunch, ill come from the airport. So i went to the hot shop, and sat in a booth waiting for him. Two guys, pulled into the booth and sat across from me and showed me their badges. When someone shows you a badge, how many times have you taken a look at it . I dont know if they were real. They poured out on the table some nick ked pictures of the two of us having sex. It was as if someone had stuck a knife into my gut. I have to warn frank i thought. I ran to his apartment to warn him. I used my key. Got in and the place of totally empty. There wasnt a dust ball or anything else. I never saw him again. The suits gave me three days to get out or they were going to sen these pictures to my family and the press. So i got very, very drunk and told my friends i add heart condition was and was very sick. I decided to kill myself. I bought a gun, and was going to kill myself, but i wanted to get drunk enough to do it. But then i had this moment of clarity and i realized there was no way they could send the photos to the press, how were they going to explain it . Did they want the press to know that they were filming homo sex walls and blackmailing them. Maybe they had as much to lose. So i sobered up and when they met up with me, and asked me, are you getting out . I said, send it to them. I dont care and walked. Every time the phone rang, and someone said your mom and dad is on the phone. I thought they got the pictures. I dreaded hearing from them. Or the press called and said we want to speak to david. Every time i worried that they had the photos. So i immediately pulled back and stopped speaking to the press. After the october 15th moratorium there was another one, just took place in washington, dc, 500,000 people came to dc for 3 days. It was an absolutely one of the largest single events in one city begins the war. It ended with something called the march of death which david organized, 38 hours, people marching from Arlington Cemetery with names of dead american servicemen, all the way to the capitol building, putting the plaque considereds in make shift coffins and then carrying them to the white house. That was his best revenge. Also, one of the most moving things that he had participated n. That the moratorium, there were signs, many people had signs, saying free the pinkville people. The reason why they came up, two days earlier, a reporter, had just broken a story about the me lie massacre. And this story dribbled out over the course after month. It revealed that american soldiers had moved into a village and killed 504 civilians who were mostly women and young children. It was an absolutely devastating story that did more to help the Antiwar Movement than any protestor march ov it also revealed to many people, how difficult the war was, to win because it was very hard to tell who was enemy, and who was friend. Also the u. S. Had an unspoken rule called kill anything that moves, and body count was very important. So, what happened, really was happening all over vietnam, on a smaller scale. I interviewed soldiers who were there, who understood that it wasnt just a onetime event. That this was really symptom mathematic of one of the, many problems, of the war, and how it was being fought. He was a fascinating person for me to interview. Hes a investigative reporter. I had to go through multiple people. And i told that story and im sick of telling the story. But, he told me the whole story of how he, it was great gum shoe reporting. He got one tip, about lieutenant kelly who was in trouble. He found his lawyer, the lawyer told him where he was. He went to south carolina, and found him after days of hunting for him. Cali told him everything he knew which was not to his benefit. Later on, he finds other people who are in his troop. And, he, one of the most important people that he discovered, was a guy named medlow, ill tell you about that. This is hirsh. The only thing i knew was, m. E. A. D. Lo was from indiana. So i just phoned every medlow i could fine, and i found somebody near terre haute, in a new place, and i said hi, im looking for paul. Is he okay . Well, what do you mean . How is his leg. Hes doing all right. I said im just a reporter. I want to talk to him about what happened in the war. And she said, well, i dont know if hell talk to you. I said is it okay if i come . I cant promise. He has a very she had a very deep rural voice. So the next day i flew top indianapolis, and it might have been 10 in the morning. It was a chicken farm. But when i pulled into the farm, i could see it was all messed up. And his mom comes out. Shes 50, and looks closer to 70. Just beat down and living in this old wooden shack. Is he in there . Is it okay if i go in . She i sent them goodbye and they made him a murderer. He said i just began to shoot people. He told me to shoot and he shot and shot, and im taking notes, i jus just shopped and shopped. I spoke to 70 kids the next month to write the book during the first article. And of course, cyrus won the pulitzer for that story. So that was november. And we arent even in the 1970. By december, a few things happened, but the murder of fred hampton was a very charismatic black panther member and he is based in chicago and one of the things hamptons preached he was a great speaker was for racial unity. Maybe fbi very nervous. By the end of 1969 and was at its peak and i wrote about it at the vanguard of this rebellion was the black Panther Party which in reaction to the Police Brutality and fbi harassment publicly declared war on the police. Two dozen black panther chapters opened across the country and in 1969 the Police Killed 27 panthers and arrested or jailed 749. J. Edgar hoover announced the black Panther Party was the greatest threat to the internal security of the country and he assigned 2,000 fulltime fbi agents to expose, disrupt, mr. Beck and discredit and otherwise neutralize the panthers and other new left organizations. In 1969, hoover declared that it was a firmly established force dedicated to the complete description of the Traditional Democratic values. And these 2,000 agents were part of. They infiltrated the vietnam vets against the war. They went and had a lot of people who were underground. On december 4 fred hampton was killed in his sleep. 80 shots were fired from his front door and at 4 00 in the morning, hamptons bodyguard was an fbi informant and he slipped him a sleeping pill. It was a coldblooded assassination. At the beginning but police said that it was a firefight but only two bullets were shown to have gone through a the outside, from inside to outside. So it is an fbi arranged with the Chicago Police assassination and it was extremely upsetting to the left and up to a group of radicals who have split off from the large students with Democratic Society split off from them in june of 1959 and created a more militant radical group that they call themselves the weatherman. During the student uprising he describes the impact of the fred hampton death and also the fbi targeting of the black panthers on his group. When the panthers came along and they were carrying guns and lay any means necessary the government reacted by taking them seriously and murdering them we said its more and weve got to be out there and not just applauding from the sidelines. We identified that as being racist not to take any risks. We didnt want to be liberal. To be liberal is to be a hypocrite. Part of the thinking is what side are you on and then fred hampton became a battle cry and an enormous challenge to white kids. Will we be german, racist to ignore whats happening or will we support the people who are fighting and taking the risk . That became the challenge. Most dont understand the extent of the challenge the black movement opposed to underground and the movement. I interviewed several members of the movement as well as the underground and that is fascinating. It was very reflective about what they have done and felt they made a lot of mistakes by becoming as militant as they did. I wasnt interested in judging them. I wanted to know what motivated them to act the way that he acted. In february, the weatherman bomb a house in new york city he was the judge presiding over the trial which was at the time the largest case that went on for months and months. 21 panthers have been arrested and they were in jail without bail and was sent 100,000. The weatherman firebombed the house and didnt injure anybody. I interviewed his son and it was really interesting to hear his point of view what it was like to be the victim of a bombing and how terrifying it was and threatening. But that was just the beginning. On march 6, they blew up the famous townhouse on 11th street. Three of them were killed. They were making a bomb he planned to detonate at an officer stands and it would have killed thousands of people. Dozens of people. It would have killed officers and their dates and the waiters and band members. Its an example of how far out the weather had gotten wanting to fight fire with fire. After that occurred, they all went underground. All the leaders, 200 members of the underground assumed fake names and moved all over the country. Many of them went left and started doing manual labor cash only child is and many of them were underground for up to ten years and they joined a large other community of underground people. There were people that escaped drug laws and black panthers intandthe different people invon the black Power Movement so there was a Large Community of hundreds of thousands of People Living underground. After that townhouse explosion, the impact of that on the new left and Antiwar Movement was devastating because of course it played right into nixons hands. Tom hayden who started in the early 60s at that stage the grand founder of the Antiwar Movement. I knew everybody who died. There are too many people that view it but you can only have so many ends of the 60s. Theres about ten of them, altamont in the 60s. When they came to the natural and i didnt think that townhouse signified the end of the 60s, but i just felt immense sorrow and depression. Its what went wrong what were they doing because for the period of time its all we knew about. The people had been blocked into oblivion. There were only fingernails left. I just thought that they were beyond logic. It confirmed what i feared. Nobody came to me and said we are going to kill soldiers. It was one of the leaders of this group, his logic is that if the government is killing innocent vietnamese, our job is to kill innocent american soldiers. I looked at the practical morality like what are you doing you are carrying out an act that will reflect on everybody in the movement. Bring down the fbi and maybe the cia it has no rationale that can be voiced. You might as well say that you are organizing for satan. It would be the political equivalent. Stand on the street corners or just joining us. There are some people you will reach but what are you doing, it is impossible that they were doing it because they didnt care anymore about influencing american opinion. After that townhouse in may, president nixon announced the invasion of cambodia. He had been secretly bombing can be had for a year. But the first to send in troops. This wasnt greeted at all with any sort of popular opinion. Everybody was upset. Students were still in school and they were protested all over the country and can state occurred which we saw on may 4 and they were killed and 13 were shot by the Ohio National guard after that. The company came as close to the civil war certainly as it ever d in the 20th century it was that moment of pure chaos. It didnt and got in a way i felt like the movement ended in some way on august 24 at the university of wisconsin when the four men bombed a building and blew up the entire building it was the Research Building and a lot of research was taking place there. It had been a hot issue for years because the researchers were working in that building. And a man named Carl Armstrong who i interviewed and his brother and two other men who were on the Student Newspaper decided that that would be an important symbolic building it to blow up and they detonated an entire uhaul truck of ammunition and it was considered the largest domestic terrorist attack before the oklahoma bombing. Unfortunately by mistake they killed someone. A 33yearold researcher who had three children and was actually antiwar himself. He just happened to be working at two or three in the morning. So the armstrong brothers and their friends went on the loose. They ran out to canada and they were able to be fugitives for several years before they were discovered. Carl armstrong did about ten years of time. Most of the people he interviewed did time. Carls example was an extreme one but many others did time for drugs and protests and civil disobedience. It was sort of a badge of honor. He did about ten years and that was considered even worse than the Weather Underground bombing because it had occurred after and even one of the people is still on the landing and no one knows he was ever discovered. And after that bombing, the Weather Underground continued to bomb them they took up a symbolic bombing and didnt with no intention of killing people they didnt kill anyone. Nor were they caught. It was one of the largest manhunt in history and i interviewed an fbi agent named bill bryson who was the main caseworker for the Weather Underground. He followed them for ten years and was fascinating. He knows more about them than anybody. Its how the women were complaining and they didnt have the power they wanted inside the organization and he felt that it was completely untrue because he was sent to all the conversations and felt that he was in charge and a lot of other women. There were a lot of other women but bill bryson told me this about the Weather Underground. The list i maintain was the official list by the fbi. It was 38 bombings. I ha have the list memorized ate time. It was extremely sophisticated with their devices. More so than many people realize. None of the bombings had been solved. We would select to find out who didid fan however the statute of limitations is over for all of them except for the golden Gate Police Department in california where a Police Officer was killed. And anybody nobody has ever been made. We closed the Weather Underground investigation in 1977 which is where i wrote the closing report because the group had become defunct. Also, in 1976 the fbi was involved in their biggest scandal in 47 agents were indicted for illegal spying and disruptive behavior against the Weather Underground and by 1980 many of the leaders were able to come out and no one ever went to jail. Because no evidence could be used against them in court. The same thing happened for Daniel Ellsberg who have released the pentagon papers was going to trial for treason. Their case was dropped and instead of going to jail, watergate occurred in the movement and morphed into what became a regular habit of dirty tricks and eventually got the better of them. But a lot of the people i interviewed believed that nixons focus on the Antiwar Movement and his enemies if you look whos on the list many of them were members of this movement and really got the better of him and was very much a precursor to watergate. Thats all i have for now. I would love to take questions. [applause] does anyone have any stories they would like to share in these places or events. [inaudible] a bunch of the students went out and picketed and i had a boyfriend who was very glib and started interacting with these people telling them they were crazy and why were we doing th this. My boyfriend just took his side for fun and argued back. Talking about the violent part of the 60s the dorothy day catholic worker. I focused on a particular gear and many of them were quite violent and theres that whole group of wonderful left catholic organizers. I spent two years in prison that made my skin crawl. Hes been used by the bad guys. [inaudible] why were you in prison . I turned 18 and 64 and that was the prime time speech of to. You didnt want to have the white skin privilege. It seemed i had no choice. I could not not put something on the line. The only way that i could do that is to get myself classified. [laughter] i was a bit of a for i suppose. [inaudible] yes, i know. His funeral was streamed on the internet. It was like i wanted to scream. Should have raised your hand. I almost did. [laughter] thank you for sharing that. And i wanted to interview him but i wasnt able to get to him, which was an omission. I was at cornell in fact i was just looking at the magazine that had guns on campus on the cover and some people that i knew were on the other side of the equation trying to get the students out of the whole they had taken over and they were heavily armed. Last night i was talking to someone in new england and i know as a precursor we were both talking about how we went in certain directions and i talked about how i used a lecture with them walking out and coming out of that and be editor said at the time he was a noted producer of law an law and order but at s time kind of a radical person. So i was just wondering how that fits into your narrative. I didnt do cornell because that happened a little bit before. But i interviewed for panther members who kind of didnt really buy into a aunt was very much against what the panthers were doing. So i tried to interview eric a who was a part of the new haven nine and had gone to jail for a year so she was fascinating. I tried to weave that into the whole story and of course all of these are their own story. A parpart of what i try to do iw the sense that i got as everybody had their experience but at the same time, so many other revolutions and movements were going on at the same time, so by sticking to the chronology i tried to lead in the different stories together. I have a chapter on the feminist movement which also started in 1970 and grew out of the movement. And robin morgan was kind of their early spokesman. I wanted to show that global reach of this great refusal that was going on and i couldnt go that deep and i couldnt do the Environmental Movement of course in april of 1970, so that to me felt like almost other book, but it definitely grew. It was also a reaction to a lot of the ugliness in the Antiwar Movement and the violence on the streets. So people were just changing their lives personally and thate as their political statement in a way. Thank you for a remarkable achievement. You are writing about what a lot of us lived through, not to get into much detail but i joined as a High School Student and my best friend was one of the people that blew up the center and i went to new york and if they reported the movement, whose the dock for to me it is an amazing honor to be able to say that. It just happens the medical committee for human rights they were having a meeting to plan to decide what they called a medical presence and what came to be known as the day of rage. Fred hampton showed up and it was incredibly charismatic and obviously he still had a lot of love. The panthers didnt want the weathermen to get militants. They realized it was a dead end. The the weatherman were doing it in a way to defend the panthers. Right. So without going into the whole story, but splitting led to room one and two. To the other side of town, not the dramatic stuff of downtown trashing where fred hampton also spoke. I should interview you for the buck. [laughter] but i want to ask you about the coupled dimensions one had to do with sps, the fracturing is crucial to my mind of the story of 6970 and the dissipation or fracturing of the movement, and i always wondered and ive done a little bit of sort of anecdotal research. Were you able to come up with much information about the role of the government, the fbi helping to ferment that traction in the summer of 1969 which then led to the weatherman . Absolutely. And then the demonstration i was at nyu and took over the building after kent state. They cut up the bail for the black Panther Party and people had taken over a computer and set it to the University Something is going to happen to the computer and the timing of the deadline was to coincide with a march down to what became the socalled hardhats of violence. Theres now been released a million documents by the Police Surveillance documents that rediscovered a million documents from this period of the reservoir activities in which they are believed to be details about the protest that begs the question where were the working class in all of this were they just hardhats that hated the protesters or was this manipulated or was very strong working class element in the movement that we dont know as much about as maybe we should . I didnt delve into finding out what the fbi, th but there a lot of new documents coming out. So i think that there is another book coming out thats all based on new documentation revealed and dus that may also have information on the convention. One thing i do know is the people i talk to or getting pamphlets from the black panthers. It was obviously a lot of the behavior was clearly classic disruptive behavior and also we do know that there are not that many people penetrating the weather but a lot of people sps and so im sure that there must have been multiple disruptors at the convention, but i dont really know the answer to that. We know nixon invited the hardhats rebellion that was 200 construction workers who just beat to a pulp hundreds while the police just watched and one of the things that infuriated the police apparently does john lindsay had ordered all of the flags to be at half mass and i interviewed a police man in madison wisconsin, the most violent of all the campuses apparently. Worse than berkeley and cornell and columbia. He told me after kent state, he toland all his colleagues went around inside the dot four and you got zero. Youve got zero. So that gives you a sense. And he wasnt necessarily, neither was bill bryson who didnt understand why we were in vietnam but they were very much against the behavior and the antipatriotism that they felt was not really patriotic. Where am i on questions and answering . We have time for one more. Id guess i just wanted to say i think its important to remember that it took very, very little to provoke the fbi. I was a tax resistor and it just a noboda justa nobody that i dei wouldnt pay my telephone tax so i closed my bank account and wrote a letter to the phone company because it had been approved for the war. I was a woman, my boyfriend was aan objector and i felt like there wasnt so much that a woman
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