Transcripts For CSPAN2 Book Discussion On Scarlet Letters 20150919

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[inaudible conversations] >> good evening ladies and gentlemen, thank you for all the noise. welcome to the kansas city public library. it's a pleasure to have you here tonight to prove to be once again the kansas city public library represent all political views. and tonight it is as always a pleasure for me to introduce my longtime friend. we've known each other almost since he was in short pants in new york new jersey where he was born a little bit after he graduated from siena college. the only dissertation that affected the notion of the capitalism which is hard to do because there is no american capitalism something like 35 years ago jack sounded something and being that the booster club which he ran for a number of years when he skipped from the city briefly. he's always been a provocateur which i've admired about him. we disagree about some things. the last time i introduced him i said about president obama but he tried to prove that bill ayers and the radical had actually written the author biography. some of the things he's been writing lately i occasionally have my disagreements. whether people should be required to serve everybody if they have religious objections i don't completely agree with that because i've noticed there's a kind of selectivity that seems to be about one issue and i read for instance that he condemns slingers and a trunk or indices it is a trifecta for donald trump. i would feel better if we were refusing after republican candidates for president. [laughter] i don't always agree with jack that he is writing today about the neo- puritanism and i agree with him and noted that john stewart of all people said we were treating caitlyn jenner buoyed by criticizing caitlyn jenner and removing her dignity. and i thought this has to be the first time in history that he's taken a number of the correct test and worried about her dignity. [laughter] so we do have all voices coming to the library. it's interesting to me that in the ten and a half years i've been doing this the only criticisms we can't let me bring somebody in is reprinted from the left and the right and jack wrote what is the editor matter of california. we presented both are you the only criticisms we got one presented jack and one presented frank. we believe we should be defending the first amendment which means all voices should be heard, all ideas should be heard and that's what we believe that pleasure for me to introduce my friend jack. [applause] to correct the record no one [inaudible] [laughter] thank you for coming tonight and c-span for being here. thank you for bearing with me all this time and thanks again to the public library. they do a great job and it's so refreshing that it's almost unheard of. [applause] the title is from the novel called the scarlet letter and to refresh your memory daycare when of that model bears a child while her husband in boston is in england so she's committing adultery and the discipline to religious authorities punish you holding her baby for three hours and then thereafter. they described the forebears as the most intolerant brood but they were the picture of the moderation. in the last few decades to be sure they do not call themselves puritans but in the middle of the law and morality if you talk to one and you agree with what you are wrong. and the punishment here and now. in an ironic way watching documentary of the former governor of new jersey in my home state and if you're a member in 2004 he was involved in the sentence scandal if the homeland security homeland security adviser despite nothing about homeland security and they hit on him and then he came forward. he abandoned his wife and a child in the process. he had become an episcopalian. [laughter] >> he tried with the subset and we see them mentoring in church. in fact to buy the video to verify word for word that i saw when i first saw. the church says jesus liberates us from our sins come in this order. sexism, racism and classism. it would have had islam a soviet and climate. [laughter] god help the men and women that violates one of them. there there's one that unifies all of the other. if you don't like the president, you are a hater so it goes on and on. if you know them and see them they have less interest in celebrating their own values than those that resist the celebration and they take joy in that almost like any organic occupying something. if you know anything about the publishing industry is exposed and my original by the way i used the rest of. liberals had fixed positions who believed in things historically. they believe in equal justice and a man is innocent until proven guilty to charges of any distinction but they had no fixed rights to that. at the risk of the progressives they believe in anything they believe in progress and if you keep swimming forward or with this update i. so they are constantly looking up the findings. they don't put theuritan for years and that is our same even when you have no idea you are committing a hate crime, the chances are you still are. [laughter] >> and he's right as you don't even know anymore. >> the adulterers went on the books for about 3,000 years at least. she never protested. she walked into his knowingly. we can describe the new scarlet letter, the scarlet t. or chinese -- transphobia. a couple of weeks ago people were telling bruce jenner jokes and now on national tv they better not even say bruce jenner that's the group they have on the culture. if you saw the espys which is the big award show, espn and abc are both owned by disney and the rumor was the representative said to the one-two hours with diane sawyer or do you want to win the arthur carriage of word and he did. someone had a brain tumor and played basketball and raised money for cancer i guess she came in second that year. they don't want to be treated the next day. the quarterback didn't get the memo. for not reporting enthusiastically enough. they all stood in and started playing. and you know the great fear was to be the first one to stop. faint or pass out or whatever. it happens. we are not in a utilitarian state right now are fascist state right now. but the totalitarian totalitarian impulse is surely within the content and i should clarify this most progressives are clueless from the radical movement. now in the direction they do have a goal and i should explain this a little bit isn't as we know it if we make it our own image. we define this 60 years ago everyone has ever since they take a commitment to the faith and embrace all the states and presented to add them in the end of they believe that any man or woman or caitlyn jenner can deliver a paradise on earth that god couldn't so they are superior and that is why they are so good with their righteousness. and it also explains how they can increase islam. they do because they are more so when they shoot up a place in texas the anger is isn't the organized events not at the shooters. i'm not exaggerating. i wish i were. as we get into that i would like to explain the tenets of the revival and certainly understanding the scar is forever. if you remember earl was the agricultural secretary under nixon makes the consequential act. he is i campaign plane you may remember this were your parents will. the jokes could have been told by the were sitting right behind them on the plane and recorded every word and rushed to the rolling stone magazine. within hours the career was over but you know the exhibits for two more years ahead line is displayed. secretary fell by racial remarks died at 98. it was a relevant and what mattered is that he had told a racial joke 32 years ago. he makes an awkward remark about race and abortion and says wonderful human being by the way but that didn't matter because he made this awkward comment and he was the national laughingstock. the puritans have taken this around with it because it was to profess the faith as more important than to practice it. so they took it out and asked for a drop out of the race. so who could blame her for being so upset? they showed that the democratic national convention listened to an accused rapist and a sexual predator. that's the reality of it. there is no way out of it but if you make an open comments, todd akin did not say he's more victimized. that coincides with that. the. in thinking that good works matter. take the case for instance one of the noblest women on the planet was born in somalia and had not signed up for that. she ends up in the netherlands and becomes a model citizen. she teams up with the filmmaker that highlight the injustices done to women throughout the muslim world including those that were not assimilated at all so they spike a five-page letter this approach prevents them from doing that and she doesn't get there at all. so in the states she writes the autobiographies to come speak at 2014 at the commencement speaker independent neo- perkins rebel on the campus combined with the puritans and it was created post-holocaust to prevent another holocaust and they disinvited at the last minute. so good works matter in that kind of repressive uprising. another tenet of the faith and right away if you want to have a good read if you haven't done this, google michael clayton 2003 and environmentalism. november 5, 2008 the same day barack obama was elected president. but he wrote and produced and directed,. he was a purely -- as the home of the sierra club and the commonwealth club isn't a conservative club at all. the most pressing issue of the day seems to be the challenge given to all the speakers in the series and he comes in and says the issue today is to distinguish the fact and fantasy and truth from propaganda. what's he talking about? and then he walks them through the construct of the environmental movement all of which are apocalyptic in their design. and they take them through step-by-step the scientific fraud of the last few years starting with rachel carson and the most lethal mistake made which is ridiculous even if the time. this is in fact that you are dealing with. it's a brilliant speech but they don't want to hear that. another tenet of the faith if means never having to say you're sorry. [laughter] interim north carolina they had a party off campus one of the 20 groups that year to request strippers for their campus party. some of the groups -- v. duke lacrosse players made a mistake. they asked for quite strippers and she came entirely drunk then to justify the states she was in she claimed she had been raped, they disproved it within a day and the dna tests came everyone knew they were innocent from the beginning. she picked three pictures out of a page of pictures and said to them, then add them. none of their dna matched her dna at all. the faculty came rushing to their defense, not. here's what they did, sent a letter condemning them and said regardless of the results of the investigation they can dump them regardless. they ruined the lives of three young men who were dragged through six months or a year in "the new york times" got on board with us and created a fabulous story of the whole white privilege movement. finally when they are vindicated "the new york times" admitting they've are never guilty they were never guilty in the first place one of the mothers wrote a letter to the head of the distinguished chair of english at vanderbilt university and she said i ask for an apology some recognition that they were wrong and here's what she gets back he calls her a provocateur who is trying to get credit for a bunch of white males who he describes as farm animals. in 200-1880 donation to the proposition eight in california which is to establish marriage between man and a woman. when barack obama came to california and was asked about that question could here's the quote, he said i believe marriage is a union between a man and a woman as as a christian i believe it is sacred with god in the mix. they voted overwhelmingly for the proposition and came to the polls and vote of the members. they made the mistake of leaving a paper trail and he was given the position 70,000 signed the petition and here's what he had to make an unequivocal statement of support to make an unequivocal statement of marriage equality he tried to apologize and the chairman of the board apologized for being so slow getting rid of them. finally no senate is grievous as one of the seven deadly sins. if you remember it was the only place in the world where people would yell he did his mother before. talk about taking the train, i'm charitably. [laughter] they focused mostly on foreigners. this puts greater wrote this and i remember reading about this. suspended for a racial remark into the bottom third greg lewis held in a double homicide. [laughter] the editors of usa today knew that wasn't significant as what john walker said about the forerunners going to shea stadium. it tends to be upbeat and 2 degrees you can be too quick stories about how dangerous they can be aaron and melissa klein are in suburban portland oregon and the title of the story first they came for the cake makers. [laughter] it was a very humble life and then they came in asking for a same-sex wedding cake and they said sorry we don't feel comfortable doing that. the couple was upset and supporters began the grassroots kind of neo- puritan campaign which is her grasp and and they have threats called in and they ordered the website with abusive reviews and they vandalized their trucks, they went to the vendors and clients and told them to get out because these people are selling hate at their bakery. they had to shut down the shop and tried to run from the home that the number had to be posted in that they got too many arresting so they gave up. now here's the ultimate model it's not enough to share your offense you have to enlist state and your cause. this is where it begins to approach the pier at the model that they were a picture of mercy compared to what's going on right now. the sideways at the time that it still isn't legal when this all happened. they leveled at the fine on the clients to accommodate the damage suffered by the company and among the things that were listed for distressed. they think that by denying the case they are getting on that issue. the labor industry i don't know why they are involved in the gag order but that was in order and there is no other way to say it. but it's discouraging about this are the stalwart people. to see the comment section it was really shocking that it's stupid religion anti-christian and just kind of sums it up. want to discriminate against somebody based on religion? they are finding and potentially shut down. that was the first amendment. come on. people like alan dershowitz are appalled by this but the others are either quiet about it because they are afraid and fear has a lot to do with it. the next story he was a socialist and in 1927 he would be executed for killing. they had no grudge against them even though the evidence was overwhelming. she's out there was a candlelight vigil on the eve of the execution and she walks up to the communists that is leading the rally and says to her by who place their possible good could they do with their lives just click no one wanted their animals and that way they can and reached the base. in both of those incidences they are protesting the verdict. midway through the writing of the book they call the other authors that doesn't change much [laughter] he's as tommy are the innocent or guilty. this is all in the letters found five or ten years ago and so he goes to his wife and says what should i do? she said if you don't continue to do with story the the list were you the way that utility now they may kill you. they will certainly disown you said they finished the book as the favorite innocent. historically they have had a weakness for finding guilty and sent. they write songs about them before they are through. it's understandable to find the guilty innocent. what's not understandable is to find the innocent guilty. george zimmerman found this out the hard way. one thing that got him was his name. if george zimmerman had been named for a vinegar would have heard of the story but what happened all the industry had to go on was the name george zimmerman. and in the narrative for this little boy this little 11 year old that is actually 17 and 6 feet tall into guns and drugs and burglary. but he paid the price for that and went through the narrative of what happened. during the time that he was being assaulted one eyewitness came out, a very young analytical key comes out and the police interview him and he's as i came out and right here there's this black guy and a hoodie and he's pounding down on him and the guy on the bottom is yelling help, help. i ran upstairs compiled 911 and when i got upstairs i heard a gunshot and i came back downstairs and then of course another 911 caller picked up 40 seconds of zimmerman yelling help, help and the next day the witnesses interviewed on tv and said the same story. so they neither was the case because the marin said get a copy of the cookoff quickly because i don't know where he is. there was never a case and the nervous. there was one written by me cold if i had a son and by lisa bloom who covered the case baffled to gavel and wrote a book called suspicion they should. none of that is in her book. she says he came down after the shooting. he testified at the trial. it was over the minute he testified. how can you write a book like that? and another thing she didn't mention the fact that george zimmerman and the year before this incident at a crusade for a black man was beaten up at the son of a white cop and he had a quote that said evil will triumph only when good men do nothing. "no good deed goes unpunished. george zimmerman's mother command he had a great grandfather of african descent. one thing being guilty innocent but other being innocent or guilty. senator apologize. larry summers learned this the hard way, secretary treasurer and bill clinton, good democrat harvard university got first ever at harvard history he is invited to an informal group about why women are underrepresented at the top level and he decided this wasn't being recorded and he's had three reasons the first is that to be the best in this field takes a commitment and a lot of women in their childbearing years might not want to make that commitment. and the second one is from all the studies we've seen men and women average out over the spectrum the top 1% and 1% dominated by men. he didn't have to go to number three. she rushed up, went to the "boston globe" and demanded the campaign. he offered $50 million. that's not enough, they want your head and they will keep the rest of your life. don't think that was the first one just appointed accidentally. another possibility harness the power of the people. pennsylvania gets upset because the franchise had provided chicken to organization having a meeting about traditional marriage and start a snowball. as of "the new york times" picks it up and the next thing there's a whole campaign. the mayor says there's no place for a chick-fil-a on our freedom trail. they do the same thing in chicago and try to do the same thing in san francisco. then the people rose up. i went to chick-fil-a appreciation day and i've never been there before that. what you sow is was a line around the block around the country. that's the first time i'd been there and now i go every week. then you see these headlines that it's now number one. it was because of the bad pr. then i just saw a survey of chick-fil-a going away number one. harness the power of the people they are still out there. one part of the story that wasn't told us that i don't but if you ever heard of the attack on the family research council this theory is a volunteer went to the family research council in washington walked and loaded and tried to shoot his way in. he shot a security guard at the front, wrestled him to the ground because he came with 15 bags of chick-fil-a. i've heard the story. front page news. another lesson, plan ahead. the president of the national golf course ran near 2,000 they launched this bizarre crusade. one of the women was condoleezza rice. he estimated the strategy before they got going. he knew that the times were spearheading this and they were to say would say how dare you associate with this group so what he did is called the sponsors and they could afford to do it so they took the sponsors off the hook and then they would back out and this was the highest in a year. then a year later they brought the sponsors back into the corporate executives were among the. other than the university prisons. a little higher notch. [laughter] so what we did then it's about a dozen years later they said make women into the first was condoleezza rice. a black republican? come on. [laughter] so everything comes around. and finally, resist that don't yield, stand up for yourself. i know sometimes it's difficult because it's a sensitive position but if you could begin to stand up and say no, enough is enough is enough and in the book i talk about this in a couple of examples one is phil robertson of the dynasty he was interviewed by gq. they set him up and knew what they were doing. the first question he asked was what does gq mean because he didn't know. [laughter] but then he went awry by quoting grampians on homosexuality. you could see him trying to use the right language why he preferred to see it get a cursor to the female parts but using the technical words made it even more bizarre and the next thing you know they want to pull him off the air and they shut him down. they suspended him expecting what the rest of the family to say we will do the show without him? that wasn't going to have them. then in the most bizarre executive decision made, cracker barrel decides to pull their stuff off the shelves. don't they know who goes to cracker barrel? [laughter] they found out within 24 hours because 100,000 e-mails later the stuff was back on the shelves. that was the quickest turnaround in history. and then a amd finally backed down. when you add to this if he had at the number one show on cable they may have succeeded. now how can i not give a shout out at the moment? [laughter] i said they are not devoting bigger selecting the opinion polls. they know that he's telling the rest of them stand up and speak out. they don't know what it's like to see them apologize for even if it is a carnival, whatever, he's speaking out. okay, the future. wrapping up this is hard-hitting so bear with me. how do we turn this around? i think we may. too many are watching what is going on in thinking can only be a part of this? there aren't many of them after and we need to hear from them. i am heartened by the idea. it's stuff that we have all known for a long time and we have the ammunition to put on the battlefield and those of videos threaten the hegemony the last 30 or 40 years that's how we should think about any number of issues with people have to be asking themselves having seen this they will not be able to see it around because we can remind them why is it worse to refuse to bake a cake why isn't it worse to say bruce jenner ran it is to kill and dismember a viable unborn baby and sell her body parts? shouldn't that at least deserve a letter? thank you. [applause] questions if you would step up to the microphone please. >> and the question is key to winning informed. [inaudible] [laughter] >> you mentioned earlier in your speech heading towards totalitarianism when you go an entire wing of the treasury department through the things that the irs. here's the bottom line that only becomes a scandal when they say that it's a scandal. he is one of the great presidents of the 20th century. they will elevate that and it's way over the rest of the western world they can't sustain the scandal and that is still true today unfortunately so i would say it's still there but i think that it will be an uprising. i think that they underestimate the opposition and there are certain things we know about the opposition. we had a certain power that they don't have. >> i'm privileged to serve on the state board of education in kansas and once upon a time i said the n-word as one of our board meetings on doctor king from birmingham jail and i suggested using the word ones that we get past this word it is an ugly word that we should rise above. i paid for that. so now that i'm going through a consecration and i'm being called to do something about race and going to convince the other board members with the grace of god we should stop labeling our children -right-brace and i wonder if you have any advice for me. >> that is a noble goal because it has been used as an issue. the issues of race has become -- martin o'malley, the would-be democratic democratic president of the united states last week was forced into an apology and he's never apologized for saying all lives matter. they thought if nothing else the race relations what andrew and they would say the doors are wide-open that wide open but instead they viewed it as a wedge issue and he used against real people, wilson and ferguson so i would say kudos to you and i hope it works out. >> yes, sir. >> you've probably read of the forgotten man. this didn't just start in 1960. this began with fdr and the new deal. i call it communism. >> along with some of the poses i could leave they won, didn't they prevail? spinnaker they pay a fine. >> in that case it is worth looking into because they were forced to violate their own religion. >> [inaudible] >> has she been here? >> twice for the forgotten man. >> i definitely recommend that. >> why do so many cave when an issue like this comes up? you mentioned todd akin. they ran as fast away as they could from him so do you have any inside why they came so quickly? >> for fear of being labeled one of those letters. in the case in particular, it is awful the fitness of the keynote speaker among other things raised the issue that republicans need to talk about and that is if you are pro-life how can you be for rape exception? that doesn't make any sense. it might make sense if you don't care but if you are a pro-life candidate they ran away from that and what is interesting about that case he didn't hear it so he makes this remark than he gives the answer dempsey says how about the economy and they moved on. how could you miss that? they got it because they passed it. i would like to know that and that's why part of the problem is when they occupy the positions of power if they are in corporations by nature. they may be a continuing on. we've all kind of done it in some way or another. any other questions or comments? >> i'm kind of nervous relating to a michael creighton climate change of theology at all that i was wondering if you had any thoughts about the current pope. >> i do. i have a quick story in 1998 figure documentary on the revival of the catholic church and i got the interview and it just so happened in 2005 i walked in and paris for more than 15 seconds they said we have a new pope. but i will tell you this when i was in new york the last two weeks they were so consumed by this veterans veteran's and christianity and it consumed so much i thought it was a great pope --. and the purpose was to come back on the climate change and here's the bottom line preserving the science is right. this is based on the assumption that science is right. that makes sense. they are afraid of being on the wrong side of science. i would say give it a little bit of a wiggle room i'm not sure if this would be a subcategory in the historical contextual in walt disney years ago releasing the song of the south. they turned 75 this last week. who else has a wisecrack but i just found out that there are 18 cartoons no longer to be shown because of racism and especially because of those in a phobia because paper tray japanese-american in a bad position during world war ii. [inaudible] it's nice to celebrate a black oscar winner but it was stereotypical that transcended the position so as some point that's going to turn but right now we are still moving in the direction. all of this stuff came out and they went to washington university. [laughter] you look for those teachable moments. >> there was a museum whoever was witnessing the journals that it's as every cigarette had been photo shopped out of his hand or face. >> they also put him in a wheelchair and he never wanted to be seen in a wheelchair. >> one last question because i know you want to wrap up. >> you might share with the audience what we went through as a result of the festival in missouri and what it was like to be on the receiving end of the kansas city star's. >> there are several people that were there. that was an opening sound that came in the world tradition and there is a festival and gum rubbing of course -- goat roping the organizers were there. >> i was down there visiting my clients and my friends on the festival. >> and i was there selling apocalyptic videos because al gore told me the world was coming to an end in 2000 and i wanted to take advantage of that there were hundreds of boots and the copy was being sold. >> is exercised in the catalog. and until that sunday they would headline the front page -- >> white supremacists gather. [laughter] it was the fact that they just made a series and i was surprised at the people that ran away. it is very discouraging to see who refused to stand up and who knew better. they probably took the biggest brunt of it all. she talked to someone that was has a mutual friend unbeknownst to her. i was to destroy the reputation. >> she succeeded in her own corner of the world but we survived and that's the message is don't let them get you down. thank you very much for coming. [applause]

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