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[applause] >> so this is really nice. thank you for the introduction. of surprise to see all these friendly faces out here. thank you for that warm introduction and thank you for having me hear today. you didn't say this, but i though they're are a couple people in the audience that are members. if you are hear you should join and be a member as well because they would probably appreciate that. you're a member, right? not so great. so i won't speak too long. he speak for 30 minutes, but i could speak for 30 minutes but don't want people to start falling asleep because it's late. a lot of people of the question in terms of why i i decided to write this book. mainly for me i was torn by the decision to do it. you know i think one with the job of having the president their was a certain level of respect and trust and privacy. and then a guy like coach k there are a lot of great lessons learned that i wanted to make sure sort of came across in the book. in the south. i didn't have -- they're were no books out there like this the said this is what it's like to be a college basketball player. and i think people kind of see it really fall off in the distance. it's something that often sometimes seems unattainable and sometimes it seems a little bit sexier and more you know enjoyable at times part of it is that i hope people sort of take away from it that through persistence and passion and toughness that even when you're in these really dark places that don't seem like they are the right place if you stay through it long enough sometimes you find yourself on the right bus. and for me i have just been lucky to have at some good mentors like my father that coach k in the president. a been lucky enough to end up on their buses. my journey is really just sort of a continuation of all the impressive things those guys are done. when you when you look at the president who has led us through almost like the toughest economic recession that we have seen the last hundred years you see coach k is just eclipsed the all-time wins in division i basketball. my father who is steadily working for retirement. it's just really my way to show my appreciation. hopefully the things they taught me what i value to you guys guys your children from your nephews cousins and friends. there there was a reading. i was going to read a couple paragraphs. my favorite story is this chapter. can. can i use this one? that's funny. i wish i wish i was a couple inches taller. and so it's a great little -- in and never done this before. i apologize in advance if and when i screw this up. it was really funny. when i was in 7th grade and still in public school basketball and popularity were synonymous. i have been cut from a junior high team. to celebrate his the squad and i wasn't one of them. my only option was to play in the recreational league. all my friends that represent the school teams. i complained and cried that it wasn't fair. he listened for a while but then fed up with my self-pity flatly stated the truth, you're not that good. [laughter] and then he asked, the only relevant question do you want to play best of our not? i insisted i did. he said then play your best on the team you can play on. i didn't no it then but that recommendation would carry me through decades of decision-making. if anything it made me work harder. i made the school team for the following season excelling. by the end of high school i was named male athlete of the year. it was such a gratifying feeling to such a gratifying feeling the start of the bottom and put myself up, run. my my father used to tell me all the time we've got to do the work. sports or school doesn't matter. the work onto itself. and if you choose not to then you should never be surprised by the outcome because you chose to leave it up to chance. all that was true, of course, but there was something else he told me that struck an even deeper chord. after getting cut in 7th grade i practiced more than any other kid in my neighborhood. my friends made fun of me which only made me want to play a practice more. i i improved a group getting taller and stronger, but not enough. when my squad didn't qualify for the national tournament the teams that did pick to players the players from the teams that did not. being my team's leading rebounder and score i was confident my name would be called. but it wasn't. i was passed over for a 13 -year-old kid who is 6-foot five. i was stunned. i was the the best player. he listened and nodded slowly. you know and stuff. tough. i think you're better than the other kid but you can't teach height. abcaseven i didn't get it at the time but eventually i saw that my dad was imparting to me that life is a fair and even when you perform at your peak it may not be enough to overcome the circumstances on any given day. day. i have since seen my father's adage play out. you can substitute height for race gender, income geography, legacy, class. just because you work class. just because you work harder doesn't mean everything will happen according to plant. that's one of my -- [applause] and with that this is pretty casual. i may even take my jacket off. i'm happy to take as many questions as are out there. maybe cnn is recording this. i don't know what it is. you guys may take it easy on me. >> if you have questions please come up. >> not that nervous. >> the lights are bright. >> one of our proud graduates. so tell us a couple of fumbles mistakes, errors in college, on or off the court i know they're are a couple of stories. second chance and what you those. >> how much time do you have? >> okay. i can give you a couple. the mom used to joke to me. he managed to get into trouble lot. he never seemed "the same thing. so in college i i had tons of mistakes in college. on the court a freshman and sophomore year i played other team. we didn't win a game. you can go back. i remember remember the 1st touchdown escort in college as a freshman. i was i was having this really crappy year. i haven't played it all. finally the guy who started in front of me he can't find his mouthpiece. the counselor to me and says firstar ever the duke football. a play the whole game. i had two catches. i i score one of only two receiving test as for the whole season we lose by 40 points. i get interviewed after the game. i -- the guy asked me questions. i say well, i wind up and up and looked over the quarterback, he made an audible and competent slide steamers and the do the signal. i don't think twice about it the the next day a practice my coach comes down and goes who was the freaking idiot that gave up our symbols for our audibles of the pregame show? i think i have this redeeming moment for the season i was 18. you know, and basketball a maintenance mistakes. i always think back to one of the funnier stories. 20, almost 2222 years old captain of the team. in college basketball at play kind of a big man's position even though it kind of undersized. this is a supply and demand sort of malfunction where more guys went to the mba. there was a shortage of guys and i happen to be they're. him playing power forward and i'm wide open literally wide open, but 18 feet from the basket. i shoot it. the ball hits the backboard and goes in. i'm not trying to shoot off the backboard but he goes in. we score a. unlike great. the coach weis and the court stops practice, walks to the court and goes reggie, i know what you're thinking. you wide open. you're a man. you're going to shoot a shot i promise you, if you shoot this shot you'll be on the bench next to me. and now off the court and a fully made bunch. i write about them in the book. i think probably from me that i was 18 or 19 i kind of had the sense that i was invincible. there was nothing i couldn't do. a matt duke playing football or basketball they can burden on both ends. probably had excessive moments of hanging out. no one will ever say i didn't enjoy college. in terms of the campaign and the white house there are some -- the one thing i don't write about in the book really bad it was before which i read about. but their was a day which i basically almost got left. and i dig it left wants but it wasn't really my fault. we are in chicago. i'm kind of new never been to chicago. we were flying out. and the worst traffic that has ever been in chicago. and it's free motorcade days. were still stopping at red lights. and so i think look. the candidate is going to stop at home and go to the airport after he did this event at the rainbow push with reverend jackie -- jesse jackson. headed to the airport. i think i think i have plenty of time almost an hour. he can get to another city in an hour. somehow i have the oldest inept cabdriver i i could possibly found in this is like pre- ipad. so he doesn't really know where he's going and i don't know where i'm going unit. and finally robert gibson marvin on the plane. they're like, look, if your not there in a a couple minutes were going to leave you. i said, you guys may want to leave me because i don't no where i am i am but i don't think i'm getting much closer. icy runways but i don't know where your at. and ultimately i get there eventually there still they're. why didn't you guys leave me? well, you're the only guy that has a copy of the speech. [laughter] and i think from that day forward people realize that there was a printer in the terminal. that was my last excuse. excuse. we will print the speech ourselves next line. so that was during the campaign, that was definitely a pretty big mistake. he said he said to me, you should never be 30 minutes behind me. and the white house i don't know i definitely -- mistakes that i made that i can talk about. i write about -- i think i write about it in the book. there's an event. we were in vegas. sometimes there were teleprompters and sometimes not. and this event no teleprompters. yet the actual remarks on the podium marks. it sounds like a great event heating -- chairing a standing. he comes comes off stage and looks at me annoyed. so annoyed. so where was the rest of my speech. wait, there's know speech. the 1st six were there with the last 12 work. i can tell the difference. he did a really great job. i think the funny part about it is a he can always say early 2007 they were kind of building the plane. the plane was taking off down the runway. a lot of errors that were made but they did a very good job what but my mom always said, not making the same mistake twice. so that so that was a good question. i appreciate it. >> anybody else? >> did you ever say barack obama for making a mistake? >> look, that's a good question. you know i think they're are definitely some days where his tie was a straight had something hanging off the suit. he was pretty good. there were a lot of mistakes i was pretty good at reminding them. there were also sometimes. there are also sometimes in which i know they're were things that were not my fault that he clearly blamed on me. so maybe some of those. but he's pretty good about it. i wouldn't call it mistake free but it's pretty close. >> no one. does some terrific. it sounds pretty great. just the things they said to you elaborate a little more about them. >> i go into some pretty good details. i i always would say that my brothers over here to. richard love junior. i would always say i kind of one the parent lottery because growing up amongst the group of folks that i kind of grew up with both my parents stayed together, are still together today. they would take his shirt off her back and give it to you without you needed it. and there was never -- we were never really wealthy middle-class never went without even when it was definitely a struggle. the hardest thing about my parents is that it really put a lot of pressure on me to try to be as good of a parent a parent to my children what i have. i think in terms of the thing that they taught me my mom really big. she was like, you you really need to understand when you come from. and from an early age she would say to me, the moment you turn 18 you make sure you go vote. you know all the things that her parents and her relatives had to do in order for them to have that right. she said, i can hear her say it. i mean, should probably continues to say it. it's one of those things that even though i didn't have to experience the hardship to have the right is something that you should never go unappreciated because it didn't come easy. that's probably one of the more powerful things that she would consistently say to me that really gave me some perspective in terms of when you start dealing with and looking at race relations as a whole i think one it signifies the importance of the struggle but it also signifies how far we've come in such a short amount of time and it gives me a lot of hope for where we will end up as a country. >> you have some remarkable mentors. those are the wonderful model. i wonder what your plans and ambitions are. really, really high ambitions, wondering what you -- what your goals are for yourself. move forward beyond that. >> that's a good question. i mean, one had these great opportunities and experiences. if you told me at any.in time that i could predict the 1st 32 years of my life you probably have been off by like 85 percent. i don't know that i have specific to follow know five-year, ten year, fifty-year fifty-year plan of what i want to do. like i said before i want to be as good to my family and my kids and nieces. i don't have any, but i mean, i mean, look. it's not hard to get married. it happens all the time. i see it on tv. the nba all-star weekend which is weird. and so i don't think i would be able to predict the next 32 years. the want to have an impact. want to enjoy what i'm doing i want to be able to put the same amount of effort and same amount of passion into it is unable to and all the other things that are done today. >> the question. >> him with the national child advocacy group. every child matters. i'm curious. curious. you decided to work for senator obama. am wondering why you choose to do that. weather issues you want to address that you care deeply about? and now never having seen politics from a vantage.that few people get when you encourage other kids to get involved in politics to vote and participate in a run for office and would you ever want to run for office? >> is are all good questions. paul friedman. >> yes. >> cool. on the 1st note my big issue when i grew up was definitely education. in the book i write about. and when i was in high school i didn't get it. i don't want to be hear. i i don't look like everyone else, some might everyone else. but just on education in the sense that because there's such a big discrepancy in the quality of education out their for people based off of what you can afford to pay, where you live what the property taxes are in the neighborhood that support your surrounding school ultimately i realize that that gave people -- i don't know that i did anything special the guys that live next door to me. that was always a big issue for me. the big policy issue. the other issue that brought me to dc was general the diversity of it. they represent about 17 percent of the united states. represent about 1 percent of the u.s. senate. i thought why not be a part of the process. because. because i thought there was an importance to serving. if they are not people that sort of understand your struggle and where you been it we will be hard for them to serve your interest. but whether or not people should be engaged that's like the purpose of the book. you should be engaged, not only engaged but but you should expect your engagement not to have immediate impact. even though they we will be immediate impact you still have the ability to make a difference eventually. personally even though they don't work in politics today per se but i definitely stay engaged stride to stay as close to the book of processes i can. i've seen the impact the being engaged as. not even young people everyone in the room should all be engaged. i don't i don't think it's something that we should never take for granted or feel like or feel too jaded or distant from the process. in terms of what i ever run for something i think it's not something that is on my bucket list of things to do. it's not like you know, visit the great wall. i definitely -- they're are a lot of things on my list that i want to do in terms of fun vacation a type things. [laughter] but i don't know that that is on the list. that being said there is such good democrats out there. a lot of really good people doing good stuff and tons of talent. if you told me there was no one else out there and it was the last man on the island what i do it? of course, but i don't don't have a burning desire. us in the process. a lot of work in a a big commitment. i definitely want to be a part of it. i don't know that i have the risk portfolio to bear the entire load of it but i appreciate the question. >> thanks. >> the question. >> my name is ready. >> i like i like that hat man. >> thank you. i really was into the campaign. candidate obama. a lot of us who are former athletes really fascinated by the ritual of always playing for the next city of the next date. a figure with the recalled. >> primaries. >> exactly. so if you can elaborate number one if it actually was a ritual or just let off a lot of stephen pressure on the campaign trail your feelings about going up against hillary clinton and the things they were saying about you guys and how he was telling you to respond nicely, not to disrespect senator clinton. and i can't recall my last question. >> question. >> i can start on those two. basketball had sort of different meanings throughout the campaign and white house. it just definitely has been really really important. and i try to sort of elaborate on to elements of it. the it. the physical playing in an is also the bond or the chatter in the talk to you have about the game itself. and sometimes is not about nba games. sometimes there is -- sometimes it's about the games we actually play a knew play well and who didn't. so i remember we played basketball on the day of the iowa caucus. i was really really nervous because i never really experienced the carcass before. there's know early exit numbers. it just comes out. you either wonder you didn't and so we played that day. there was really nothing else to do. do. you can show up and go to the precinct. he had invited a bunch of his friends who were in town there for the event that they were going to have after the announcement of who won the caucus. they caucus. they decided we got some little dinky jim in downtown iowa. frank china and alexis, the kind of rounded up some guys. guys. we played and it wasn't even that great of a game because it was really cold. the gym the gym wasn't that big. it was an undersized court. and we and we played. it was like an average game. we won. we go to new hampshire. we get this year's lead with like ten points. a. a ten-point lead. we think are going to win. you want to play basketball? i i don't really want to play. we lost. and literally from that day on the play basketball every primary day. then i remember even after i left the white house and for the reelection e-mail me and said were definitely going to get a game in for 2012. i was like, sure, come to chicago. we'll play. and then there were other times i wrote about a little bit. the 1st time we played we had sort of one of the guys from the new hampshire staff had this great idea one of the ways we can build relationships and earn some support for some of the folks during the new hampshire primary was the playing a game of picket basketball. i think they're are a lot of people who we played with them really like to play you like to play but really couldn't play. there were guys like martin in the back to play the never wanted to play. and so when they were playing with some firefighters. there kind of having a pretty good morning. were being them pretty good. and you know, i'm like 23. 23. in my defensive stance playing the passing lane. balls come my way. i kind of run down the court adoptable. the coach would be proud. and then counted toward the end of the game and he looks over at me. want to win, but we also want to win the support. [laughter] and a lot of people are like, you guys are like.shaving. no, it's really more kind of a matter of respect. when you're out 30 and his two minutes on the clock you don't shoot the three pointer. you kind of pull the ball up in in the game respectfully. and then to your other question yet her money where other question was. >> her campaign, same thing. >> a tough primary. and ironically i spoke earlier this week. got my copy of the book and read it and said it's funny. i read the the part where you're saying how hard it was to raise money. we were on the other side saying it's so hard to raise money. everyone loves us obama guy things are said and you do things that are part of the battle. and then when the whistle blows in the walk of the court shaken you go and have a meal and laugh about the game. it's all really good stuff. a lot of the folks from a close personal friends now that i think there going to be participating. i was sure that we will do really interesting good things. >> as a field via the outside québec not really there. >> am torn between it. i no longer get a briefing book. read the newspaper. no bullet points. i do miss the people. when i moved euros 22. i grew i grew up with guys like robert gibson marvin nicholson pres. and pfeiffer. i really, really when i got hear didn't no much about anything not that i know anything now but i know significantly more than anyone i got hear. so i do miss the commandery. it's kind of not like -- is not the proximity in the sense that i really want to be on air force one not that -- are i like air force one over delta and us airways obviously but more importantly i miss sort of that group. and i remember, i didn't get get it at the time but i remember when coach k said, you know, this group will never be back again. for that and for that and for him that was really kind of a sad thing. i didn't really understand it and i was a senior because i was actually leaving. it was really very similar. i ended up leaving the white house. it was kind of the end of a team for me. i do miss it. but i think people are still nice to me. me. i don't get the cold shoulder. vacations. >> would you just be allowed to go back and? the end of the era. i don't know. who knows. you never know. good question. >> you came up hear. for president and then sort of when did you figure out that he was planning? did you think it was a good idea? when during the primary? >> that's actually a really good question. i would've told you there is like a a 0 percent chance that he would run for president in 2,008. no chance. so so that was the midterm election. so by september of 2000 and six he was -- he raise more money for the ds dc than any other person. i mean, it was like you really from a was almost like something out of a movie. and at that.in time he still thought that he was young, is young is not even done a whole term. you think it's a possibility but you don't really know. and then by the time he decided is going to run you still think, man this is a crowded field. very formidable. for me i thought, look, if a if a guy named barack hussein obama runs for president comes close and maybe for a vp or whatever that was a win. that would show so many people that anything is really possible in this country. and that was really enough in my mind to even make it seem like it made any sense at all. going through that entire process. and so i don't think the it was ever really, really apparent that he was going to win and be the president until john mccain said the fundamentals of the economy are strong in the stock market dropped 10,000 points in a day. you were kind of just on the journey seeing what happens. >> the institution in western new york state. you said you were 22 and didn't know anything about anything. it doesn't get any better. i'm 78. i know less than i used to. my question is, you worked and played for two very extraordinary men, coach k and the president of the united states. do you have any comparison about these two men? similar differences, and what was it like to be associated with these two people back. >> there's a lot i can talk about. the 1st thing that i definitely learned from coach k was sort of the value of representing your brain. when i was growing up i always kind of thought reggie reggie, reggie reggie, reggie, reggie, reggie, reggie reggie reggie reggie, reggie and then more reggie. and so when i got to duke that was really the 1st place in which i realized i realized that i was a part of something that was just more than me and actually more than that team. we represented every guy that came before them but the jersey on them all the hard work and preparation that the people put in to build the and that similar in terms of what it felt like when i got hear when the president was sworn in in 2,009. i was like likely to be their and really excited to be they're but felt sort of overwhelming sense of this is so much bigger than i could ever be in a just lucky to be a part of it. and because of that because of being lucky to be a part of it i i needed to really value the experience and value being there. and then in terms of competitiveness they are both like the hardest working guys to stay up until two in the morning reading briefings watching tapes, preparing going through notes. they are both the hardest working people in the organization. there organization. there is nothing that the us won't do. i think the difference is that the coach it's kind of a dictatorship. [laughter] p can do whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it and people do it. the president has a little bit of the triangle of people. but i think nonetheless he handles it well given that this is due. and i think the things that are a little bit different than now is left about was coach k those basketball. like you really, really knows basketball. knows basketball. the president has to know everything. world leaders, even some basketball. i still have to this day. i must've gotten 100 emails. it happens every year. every year. march madness. can't wait. the president will pick duke again. in the 1st year he comes in and doesn't pick duke, duke, pics us to lose to villanova which we actually did that year. and you know i guess someone asked the president didn't pick you guys. reggie works for them. what do you think that means >> my name is chris. congratulations on everything. president obama will have his library in chicago? >> the next person who ask a question. >> i think it we will be in chicago. i apologize i got hear a little late. what it was like. really hard to do. wondering if you talk you could talk about what it was like in the campaign compared to the white house and the good parts of both, the bad parts of both if you could. my my other question, was there a.during the primary we thought that maybe were going to win and then again in general. >> thank you. >> during the primary during the campaign days it was hard. it was really hard. carrying. carrying a lot of stuff. nobody was helping me. there isn't as much infrastructure. you really had to rely on a select few people that you knew would be in different cities to help with the process of finding fried well out to eat some chicken sandwich with extra mayonnaise. yeah. i think -- i also think it was fun. i think there was like an excitement about being out and being with people. and i think i got to spend a lot of time with this guy for really good. >> legendary. >> during the white house. but it's great. well probably seeing more places in the world now. places i probably never would've seen. and not had that experience but it's a little more rigid a lot of papers to sign a lot more phone calls. can't really hang anything on the wall without getting people to sign off on it. but still but still nonetheless you have a real impact. you can really see the impact that you're having for the american people. i remember the 1st day the 1st visit to walter reed visiting a patient. this guy lost one of his lands and had all this paraphernalia on the wall and goes and says to them you know reggie, come, come over here. he's a huge steelers fan. have rooney sent him the jersey. and you know it's like you send it over the guy gets it his family says the picture of him wearing it. he writes this really powerful note about how it's such an inspiring thing. stuff like that, you don't see that stuff any other place. it really sort of makes you no that what you're doing is actually having an impact right then and there. so i don't know. i definitely missed both, to be totally honest. honest. i want to do another presidential campaign. [applause] that his is one in 2016. i think there looking for a trip director. >> appoint the primary when you woke up one morning. the.in the general when you're like we might just win this thing. >> in the primary i thought we could win the primary the day we were in indianola the harkin state and there were literally -- he goes in and as in a sea of obama's and probably a thousand people are so. if a guy named barack saying obama can do this and i only can do it anywhere. during the general election now. i now. i knew for a fact that after mccain made that comment that we were going to win. i started talking to the trip director about it. if we win i definitely should go. >> go where. >> to the white house klesko twice glad you did. thank you. >> that's a great question. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> my question has to do with taking you back when you were younger. he mentioned earlier when you went to school when he and you looked around and said these people don't look like me for sound like me. i don't know about being here. our old school were looking at issues of equity and just sort of how we go about it as a committee really making everybody feel comfortable and welcome. i would i would be interested in if you have any advice things that people do that made it harder for you for things that you did that made it more of a community and made you feel sort of pull them and part of it. >> that's a really good question. so i think in terms of feeling a part of it i get e-mails today from the parents of my friends who went to the school the province day. jim goodman. they would -- on the other side of town. i can go home between practice and in the school. they would invite me over the safe it a a place to study or whatever place to grab a meal take a nap or do whatever they didn't have to do it. i barely knew me. i know what no what to school with the kids. definitely opened up their homes and hearts to me. something that i have not forgotten and is still appreciative of to this day. things that made it tougher. someone specifically did me. and i'm on the board. it's very important to me. but i do think that the cost especially for some of these schools where they do a lot of extracurricular activities. and so the baked in price for school, not actually a sticker price. as the sticker price with a ten or 15 percent increase. you have watches and uniforms in class trips and all sorts of things, all sorts of things out there that require additional resources that aren't always calculated into the budget. so what we have done is actually have a pool of money that is given from private money and it's given. they have a discretionary fund for people who basically -- and not in a scenario which they want to participate and be a part of whatever class activity is out there but don't have the resources to do it. it's not necessarily -- obviously that's not the best solution in the world but it's something that helps. i think that's really hard to be 16 and you want to do what everyone else is doing. you're looking around. >> thank you. >> teachers and educators, a student in the dc area. the only placed in your book is based on sports exposes character. with that being the case if you were talking to the youth in the room what would you tell them would be one piece one word that they would be able to use to carry them to the heights where they don't no what life is going to actually bring toward the but the sport has allowed you to do in your work life? >> man are so many. only one. you know i think commitment is probably the biggest piece of it because you no so much about your ability to have success is really about what you willing to put into. i know if i write this in the book or not i should have written it if i didn't. but like everybody wants to win and have a championship and be the best. but what sports teaches you is that you can be good at something if your not having some tough days in the summertime working on aircraft. and that's really sort of the thing that it shows you. it's you. it's like a very definitive thing. you go out and do all this work and then you see the that were actually will pay off in the something and sometimes a lot of things we do in life don't have that shorter lifecycle. one season is just a year. a lot of things we are committed to do sometimes takes ten, 15 20 years. .. >> >> i tell my friends all the time that what you love the most? i have some of the best people. since i have great friends and teammates along the way so those friendships that you have are invaluable. >> good luck in your upcoming season. [laughter] >> i have a question. my name is richard. [laughter] how did you come up with the name of the title of your book? [laughter] >> i love seven and schuster. they're the best original title was a i ridgy and i said i will not take that book around town. so we worked collaboratively power for everyone light but then the presidential education part they he is now a harvard press. a real good guy. [laughter] [applause] [inaudible conversations]

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