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This is a completion of a trilogy and the idea began when i was at Harvard University and i went to graduate school to study french history and my first semester of graduate school, the professor said, you are going to specialize on this topic soon enough so i want you to write a Research Paper on a different topic, different area, i had been studying german undergraduate for a couple of years and i was interested in world war ii, my father was born in athens in 1930s and i grew up with stories about the war and the hunger and such that always world war ii seemed the event of the 20th century and i was interested in culture history. My undergraduate thesis on the role of blacks civil right movement. How can i combine german and cultural and i came up on the topic of art collections of the nazi leaders and i was surprised that these individuals devoted so much time to art and to cultural matters and i wrote a seminar paper on this topic and the professor said, you know, you could actually write on this subject. Art collecting and interesting in nazi leaders and when a professor says that you take notice and i thought about it and i realized i was tremendously interested in the topic that there was a philosophical question at play and again, how can these incredibly people devote so much time to culture and also practical issue that even though there were some treatments of art there was no scarily or academic treatment. So i started as a scholar of art and my work has evolved in the third year since then. Host well, its pretty well known that they were plundering from european capitals . Guest no. Their interest in making cultural policy, how not just hitler but all these nazi leaders we wanted to get involved with museum policy and regulation of the art trade and films and all of that, the second book was about the hands on art moneyeders, how art experts museum directors, art dealers, art historians became complicit in the criminal alluding projects of the nazi leaders and that book was called bargain and people very much like myself who add been professionals and made this kind of ethical prommize and became hands on moneyeders and perpetrators, artists under hitler completes the trilogy. There was a great deal of culture and this was supposed to be inclusive cultural history that i look at the actor, pact with the del, actor was very talented but i also looked at modernist artists and usually their story is not included in a history of culture in the third right. And here im thinking of painters, amile, sculptors and im thinking op composers like paul, and array of modernist cultural figures try to stay in nazi germany and collaborate with the regime and i bring that history to the story, the modernist and the official artist at the same time. You open the book by a quote, what is that quote . Guest i have to look at my quote here. [laughter] guest when i visited france and italy after the war i was fulled with the feeling that we all had in the safety of america. I didnt want to meet the people who had its not exactly collaborated had not fought the nazis. As i began to learn more about europe and what it was like and to compare it to us i became less about it because people defending children and lives were different from people defending swimming pools an contracts at metro. Hes talking about those figures. Those people he knew who stayed in nazi germany and try today find a place in the rank. What was it like to be an artist if you were known artist prior to 1931, what was it like to be an artist in germany. Guest depends on ethic background. If one was jewish, one was going to have difficulties after january 33. They realized that there was no place for them in hitlers germany and that the most remarkable immigration cultural immigration in history the exodus and so notable and we in america benefited so greatly where there was immigrate community, the hollywood community, but if one was not jewish and ones work could nit the nazi regime people stayed and tried to find acceptance and thats why im so interested in, our cultural heros who i think by disposition were antinazis, they had very little sympathy for hitler and the racism and hatred. They saw themselves as german and we wanted to work in their workland. Whether they had endured three years of great depression, Economic Hardship and they saw in 1933 an opportunity to work, the nazis with public spending, public works, they invested a great deal of money and culture in the arts and they were great pat roins and so suddenly there were opportunities to design and compos and build and what have you and that was very tempted for these people who had seen the years and i thought all right, now is an opportunity to work again. Most of these figures thought of themselves as german and and they were trying to create an art for a new germany and and they were patriotic, nationalistic, and so they felt at home and this country even though it had been taken over by the nazis, but mostly these modernist heros had huge egos and they believed with their talent they could work for anyone. They could design for anyone. I would bill for the devil if he commissioned me and he just we wanted to work and if it was for hitler and the nazis, sobeit. They thought that surely they would find acceptance with the new regime. Was there censorship of their work . Absolutely. For add modernist artist there were host what is modernist . Guest its a lose expansive definition. It means those figures who embrace the modern movement of the early 20th century which includes expressionism and maybe new objectivity in design, stream lined, lack of or ornamentation, one can spends pages and spaijs of defining modernism, he recognizes when he sees it. Thats the case with modernism. You know it has a modern feel to it and can be arts, colors that arent true to nature. And it was dilt for figures to design primarily because hitler detested modern art. Hitler himself had been an artist. He was not admitted to the academy in viena where he applied twice and he had very meager earnings. He thought himself as an artist as someone qualify today make arts policy, and strong feelings about art. He was assertive and initially he held back in the cultural sphere and let the debate about expressionism play out. Some of the sub leaders who liked expressionist art. Hitler youth minister, they they looked at modern expression of art and they thought it could fit into nazi germany and an area of accomplishment, germans had been in the forefront and its an area where we excel, he made his personal feelings policy and he ban modern art specially art that was not true to nature and he ordered the creation of the degenerate Art Exhibition and it was massive undertaking involving purging of 21,000 art works from german museums, state collections and creation of propaganda exhibition that opened in munich in july 37 and traveled around and so officially modernism, modern art was prescribed, was ban, but what i find interesting is that theres still private spaces for modernist and theres a private life of modern knicks the third right and hasnt been recognized by scholars that many they not only continue to work, they had some of the most productive years of their whole career and and sometimes like max great german painter, he left nazi, germany in july, 1937, he went to netherlands but by 1940s the germans had overrun netherlands and he was surrounded by nazis again and the germans allowed him to work and allowed him to procure canvass and painting supply and produced over 700 canvass. A lot of paintings, and, yes, he was persecuted and suffered hardship and threatened and he had interactions with resistance figures and that was dangerous but for him it was an incredibly exciting atmosphere and he worked like mad and he had the most productive period of his whole career during the war and modern artist continue to work that art dealers continue to sell mod irn art works all the way to 1945 even though hitler official ban modern art, mind the scenes in the back rooms of art dealerships, you could buy the modern works and the artists continue to make a living and the art trade continues in the same. In your book, professor, you talk about Pablo Picasso in paris, what is that story . Well, picasso, i think represents the great myth about culture in the third right, nazi occupied europe. And the myth is all modern artists were antinazis and persecuted by the nazis and suffered tremendous hardship and difficulty and only after 1945 that they recovered their lives and works and continued on and the way they presented their experience during the third right, they were virgin islandses, right . The nazis ban them and gave them a hard time. To see if they had been working if the smell of Oil Paintings were in the brushes there, but the reality within was very, very different. Picasso admitted privately that he had a productive war because people left him in peace to paint. During the war, he was able to be very productive and, yes, some people could come and visit him, some germans interestingly enough and so we have the great german writer, quite conservative who stationed in paris during the world and he came to see picasso of what it was like to be an artist during the war and other german officers came and inspected the studio. Theres the story where one of them points to a sketch, his painting that protested the fascist and he says did you do that, he said, no, you did. The germans were responsible. He had a great deal of money in swiss bank account. He had resources. He claimed that he was not selling the works he was producing and im prepared to believe that but work that he had made earlier pre1940 were for sale at Art Galleries in paris and in occupied france, and so again one could buy and sell works of picasso, and so later after the war you he presence himself as communist, antinazi, almost a member of the resistance, its very different from the reality of his war where he got along just fine with the germans and was allowed to work. What happened to some of the socalled collaborators after the war, did their reputation survive . For the most part, yes, again, they could they could take refuge in the myth that modern artists were against the nazis and nazis were against modern art and use that to their advantage. There was one group of french artists who had difficult, this included the painter, also the sculpt sculptor and they had reached out to french counterparts and said, come on this tour to look at the art of nazi germany of the new germany, the Cultural Exchange and if you do so, we will release a certain number of french prisoners of the war and thats how other artists were lured over for this propaganda. Im not sure if french pows were released but it did damage the reputation of french artists, they were viewed as collaborators. Recently i saw an exhibition critique in london and just last week and raised this bit of history where he had gone to germany during the war and portrayed them as collaborator. So if you went to germany and you were seen as part of a propaganda spectacle, yes, if one lived quietly in france or netherlands or even germany itself and worked quietly and sold ones work through art dealers who continue in this area, sold to collectors, one could continue after the war with very little difficulty and the modernist artists for the most part, they propagateed missing the post war period. They further the mythology of the alienated and he wrote his memoirs after the war and devoted abten about ten pages to the right. Portrayed himself as someone who had retreated to his studio in the north of germany in a rural area and he had painted little water colors, the unpainted pictures he called them and he said because gestapo was inspecting the painting from oil and prohibited from making Oil Paintings, he did water colors, that was the story. In fact, he was never prohibited from painting with oil, he did have a ban on his profession. He was technically allowed to create privately and he actually painted about two dozen Oil Paintings during the war. The story that he didnt paint in oil is not true. Its a lie and, in fact, his income during the war was appreciable. In 1940, i have one document, the head of the gestapo, and youll notice making 90,000, how is that possible . The average worker makes 2,500 a year, noblist making, millions of dollars, how is this possible . So the reality was that he was doing just fine, thank you, but he portrayed himself as a victim who had retreated to kind of inner immigration, that was pretty common for modernist figures to create narratives and to conceal material. Because both were submitting entries for nazi competitions, whether it was the first right or german facilities and they were putting in the drawings, the little swastikas, to me it showed how much they wanted acceptance and the opportunity to work and those drawings were not published in the 1950s and 60s and its only now with the generational change that we are getting through these materials that raise these questions. Host here is the book, its jonathan petropoulos, artist under hitler, collaboration and survival in nazi germany, the third in trilogy in art in the third right. Youre watching book tv on cspan2 in clairemont college. President ial candidates Hillary Clinton and donald trump have written several books, many which outline world view and political philosophy, democratic candidate Hillary Clinton has written five books, she remembers her 2008 president ial campaign and time as secretary of state in the obama administration. 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