[inaudible conversations] albright. the big introduction has already happened but thank you all for coming out tonight beginning of this greabeating thisgreat lined us. there's going to be one more addition coming soon. my name is david and i am part of the event staff at politics and prose and i would like to welcome you here. tonight is a special occasion as we host a continuing series and panel discussion and tighter race in america. we had one this summer at the avenue location and that was an incredible conversation and we are just excitewe're just excitt going here tonight. the great apri ryan has a lineup of authors including joann joy-ann, mary frances berry. 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[laughter] good evening, everyone. thank you so much for taking time out of your very busy schedules during this holiday season to come and talk with us and share with us. it's kind of a cathartic moment for all of us and it's a time of celebration. i'm hearing the church out there. [laughter] it's almost like a preacher. call and respond. [laughter] but you know this is a very interesting and historic time. we are in the center of where everything is happening in washing and easy. january 20 at 12:01 p.m., 2017 there will be a transition of power from number 44 to number 45. but bitterly literally, we are n a month away from what was the most historic election that we have ever seen. less than a month, and we are still trying to figure out what's happening. that's why we are here particularly when it comes to issues of difference of the other race. as we try to grapple with what we don't know and the things we do now and the things we've seen before. i want to give you an example of something. one of the reasons that we are here tonight, the southern policy law center found a pattern of hate crime incidences that work immediately following the election. in the ten days after, what was the number, 800-watt, 860 and going. just ten days after and people wonder why are we talking about race. they say when you put the facts on the table you are race [inaudible] but it's been in the forefront since the beginning of this country and it's still here in 2016. i also want to give you something immediately following the election. i talked to a former prosecutor in the o.j. simpson case. he's a black republican and he said this is the kind of activism. we also heard recently welcome, westmore. [applause] we also heard recently from billionaire african-american democrat bob johnson who said it's time that we need to find common ground. but this morning i talked to the former naacp head into the congressman who said both men are white. we are at a crossroads. so how do we have parallel roads instead of being at the crossroads? tonight in the 90 minutes that we have, we have experts, people that you know and people that you trust to talk to us and we are going to open up the floor in a little bit, but i want to introduce first a woman that needs no introduction. she is walking history herself -- [laughter] she said the only reason why she came out tonight is because i asked her and i thank you so much. [applause] let's give mary frances berry a round of applause. [applause] not only has she served here in one of the most visible acts in this country for gender equality and social justice in the nation but also she fought against apartheid in south africa and was jailed. [applause] and she was actually allowed to speak at the national cathedral in 2013 after th the death of nelson mandela and the south african government invited her to do that so that speaks volumes that she's also the author of the book $5 a pork chop sandwich and the corruption of democracy explains some campaign voter turnout activities are just another form of the voters suppression but you have to remember also she serves as the chairperson of the u.s. civil rights commission to please give a big round of applause to mary frances berry. [applause] up next, i've called her a dragonslayer. [applause] she's used to be a - the a.m. bs in the pm. [laughter] joy-ann is the host on the a.m. and activate -- msnbc and is the author of barack obama, the clintons and the racial divide as a coeditor with the upcoming book we are at the chang the ch, speeches of barack obama. [applause] this was supposed to be the year of the woman and we have a women's advocate. it was supposed to be the year of the woman. [laughter] sometimes to keep from crying, you've got to laugh. without further ado, i want to introduce the author of the award-winning book how exceptional black women lead time and the founder you see her a watch on tv regularly she's also a regular guest host on various leading television programs to include pbs to the contrary let's give her a big round of applause. [applause] we are going to go down the road to baltimore, to be more careful town. with a gentle man that i just saw on the oprah winfrey. i would like to introduce to you a decorated army combat veteran, youth advocate and ceo of the national initiative focusing on addressing the college completion and career placement crisis by reinventing the freshman year of college, also the author of two, not one but two instant "new york times" best-selling books and that is not an easy task. the books let's give a big round of applause. [applause] all of you out there in the audience tonight, i want you to pull out your social media devices and i want you to go on twitter or facebook or check to snap, i don't know. [laughter] snap chat, i know what it's called. i want you to go on your device and send out a -- we are going to break twitter tonight. i want you to send out #racematters. we have a president elect that is very much on twitter. i want to start off with history we have to start with history from where we have come to where we are today and where we can be going. mary frances berry, you have seen a lot. you've protested a lot for the rights for people. could you talk to us about where we are today in this crossroads and is there a chance that the roads will be parallel? >> the first thing that i could say, and thanks for having me. i'm so happy to see many of you. first i am not as pessimistic as some people i know mainly because i think if you begin with the knowledge of facts, it will make you more optimistic than otherwise. the facts are if we were to turn out more black voters in the cities in the midwest, milwaukee, detroit, if we have turned out, in philadelphia and pittsburgh -- if we had turned out more voters, hillary could have won those states. we didn't turn them out in those states not because of the voter suppression, but because old-fashioned things the campaigns have been doing for years and i knew about and had written abouhavewritten about ik chop sandwich when she was putting street money and walk around money on that street and having yard signs and getting out chicken boxes in the pork chops and $5. it didn't happen. i know that because i talk to the people that were trying to get the campaign money so they could do these old-fashioned things and persuade people who didn't want to vote especially people who thought that barack obama hadn't done much for them in all kinds of reasons. i think if we put money on the street next time, which is what my book is about, the next time we can get turnout because it is all about turnout. now, where we have been the of course have had great times with the long history which everybody knows that in the last few years, most of us thought we had reached a new millennium and things were going so well that all we have to do is get hillary into office and now we were just going to take the next step and everything was going our way but in fact it didn't happen. so now, where are we going? if i never get to say anything else here tonigh you tonight i t tell you that we've been here before. you may not remember, but i do, when ronald reagan got elected. the town, people were so sad. it was so somber when he got elected and when he got elected, all these people came to town with their money and i remember they were quoting you can never be too sad or too rich and they had all these parties and all this stuff was going on. they came to town and the attorney general announced he wasn't going to enforce civil rights law which was shocking, and all kinds of terrible things happened. we had constructive engagement with the south african government and the apartheid was going to stay forever. he closed down a bunch of programs for women that were in the white house, all kinds of bad, terrible things happened. and even though they happened, the supreme court was disgusting in some of the decisions they handed down, but people mobilized and resisted and organized. they got over their sad mess and picked themselves up and they did what needed to be done. and near the end, we were able to make some gains even in a very terrible time. so i'm not pessimistic, i'm optimistic. and don't say to me as some people have, well it couldn't have been as bad as it is now. because ronald reagan has a building named after him downtown to the air force manufactured and he was a sunday fellow. i liked talking to him. [laughter] but he was just as terrible or worse in many ways although he didn't use twitter. [laughter] so, we've been there before. let's pick ourselves up and move on. [applause] >> words of wisdom. i want to ask you something. you talk to a lot of people all the time and that is what makes you so great because you are in the street and find out what people are thinking. but is this necessarily more so about hillary versus trump or is it about our issues being on the table for either candidate? >> thank you again for doing this. i think our people are doing, spending a lot of time counseling others, i feel like i have a new profession. i'm not charging by the hour. i think what you saw were a few things. one of them is absolutely right it was a campaign that didn't feel it had to do the kind of on the ground street-level campaigning for democrats this sort of known for partly because they were adopting the barack obama model. but unfortunately that model only work worked if you had bark obama. what i mean by that is in 2008, the obama campaign came along and they seemed to have a brand-new model which was they could use the data modeling meaning you could not only target in the block or precinct but a household and you would know that change lives in the household -- they had all this really sophisticated modeling. they had a dramatic fund raising advantage. i saw things that i had never seen before. a barbecue for everybody had $100 they gave to the campaign. i met people that were in their 50s and 60s that had never given a dollar to the presidential campaiga presidentt were giving money to obama. you had this sophisticated data-driven campaign but you also have a charismatic figure. the barbecues were not because of the data modeling or because the democrats invented something sophisticated, people were out there voting and standing in line for hours but an interesting thing was happening in 2008. i was telling the story earlier i was at a conference today in dc. democrats discovered there are other things besides the presidency but should be fighting for as a political party. they suddenly discovered they are state legislators and governorships and if you don't control the secretary of state's office you mean we actually have to have the secretary of state's office so they don't throw all these people out and throw those ballots in the trash, we have to control the state legislature so they don't pass laws? that might be a good thing that came out of this is bigger than to try to get people to vote in midterms and things like that. but in 08 when i was working on the obama campaign i got out of news and i was in politics and this thing happening is that people were lining up around the block to vote for barack obama but the wind was going so fast. we were wondering why is it going so fast? their wealthiesthere were all te offices and local initiatives, people were not voting though they were voting obama gets so excited. they were coming out in wheelchairs and big didn't vote for anything else, people were not paying attention but for hillary clinton you had the opposite. jennifer granholm was meeting earlier i just saw today in michigan there were 75,000 voters that voted everything on the ballot except the president said it was the reverse. people that came out but felt they bought into partly the media didn't push this idea that both candidates were equally bad they were just bad in different ways. a lot of the young voters whose minimum standard for president is obama, so they were not good enough they were not going to vote for either of them because they had a black president. my kids the only president in their life is obama. they think that is what the president is. the people were too righteous to vote for either candidate voted third party and added up to much more than hillary clinton's best margin. the states that she lost it shouldn't have, pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan. the combined total of the advantage and that's before the recount started plus 107,000 votes. 107,000. [inaudible] 40,000 more black people voting in philadelphia, milwaukee and detroit, she wins. that's it. so you had a failure of imagination because the claim ten team had the obama people and the obama modeling. they were using the data and saying we shouldn't lose wisconsin so we don't have to. we can't los kept those philadea because they have this percentage of white voters. they don't have to go to pennsylvania. we have all this data that shows we can win the way that obama did, but you don't have obama. without obama, the candidate of the top of the ticket has to create an intrinsic reason for this galvanized vote to take place but for a lot of reasons, she didn't do that. they didn't tell her story. the media was incredibly hostile to her and open to any story that depicts her as a criminal. criminal. if primary which the opponent depicted her as just as much crooked hillary without saying it as she was depicted by donald trumps of a lot of the voters saw her as a criminal. the way that hillary was perceived among the voters even if color is that she was a criminal so when they went into the voting booth if they showed up, their attitude was she isn't good enough for me and i'm going to vote third party or not at all. the last thing i will say and then pass it on is the awareness among a lot of the hyperaware democratdemocrats but a lack of awareness of history and where we've been before. this idea that every time we haveverything wehave had reconse backlash, reconstruction after the civil war an of it as a racl backlash. lyndon johnson creating all this positive racial change you have an immediate backlash then you get this deepening divide them among the white americans to say enough is enough. i want things for me. too much focus on black people, and then walk away from the democratic party. you have obama this same thing. backlash where a lot of white america not just working class, average salary, average earnings of 70,000 a year they are actually not the book white america we are depicting them. there's a lo a lot that's to sa. enough focus on the people that want to go to the bathrooms and enough talking of safe spaces and liberalism and enough black lives matter. too much talking about people of color, too much of the eight years of liberal america trying to get with the culture. we want back the culture we can connect with which is the 50s and they came out in droves. hillary clinton won the early vote in florida and swamped by white voters with and without a college degree. so i think if you want to sum up what went wrong it was a failure of imagination on the part of the clinton campaign not understanding that you can't run an obama campaign you have to run an actual campaign door to door and make yourself win. it's the failure of the imagination among the young americans who don't understand if you want to beat john lewis you better have bobby kennedy and the justice department. [applause] so you think you're john lewis, this is what you are facing now with a hostile justice department bearing down on you and know calgary coming so failure of imagination is what cost the democrats this election but they are rediscovering their imagination. they are going to go in and have to fight like hell to save medicare from being privatized and like hell to save all of the social safety nets being ripped away. and it's good to make democrats fight. [applause] as we hear the talk about the obama correlation, where were the women? there was a good setup for the went into revolt. what happened? >> the women were there if you look at the turnout but there was a huge dynamic. once again we saw that overwhelmingly black women voted for the democratic candidate about 94%. but even though there was a woman at the top of the ticket, still white women didn't vote democratic and it's very interesting to me this is the situation where the democratic party year after year to be invested this to be perfectly blunt, millions upon millions of dollars trying to get out the suburban white women voter and every couple of years the caller something different. every year they vote republican. obama doesn't carry white people. he didn't just lose white men he also lost white women. so at this point they might be about to change just because they had a woman at the top of the ticket but once again, it wasn't that strategy so instead of investing in those demographics that they know come out time and time again thankfully for this particular party, they invested in an area that didn't actually show up on election day. and as this relates to florida one of the things we saw as a result of this and as a result of years of the assessment and voter enfranchisement in multiple ways but if you look at florida for example, it's one of those states where it lasts an entire lifetime. you have to make an appeal specifically to the governor to get that pushed back. as it stands today there are 2 million people in florida but cannot vote for the rest of their lives unless the appeal to the governor to change that. that's more than enough to have carried that state for hillary. when you think about all the different hurdles we had to overcome you have all the shenanigans going on with the voter id. you have this sort of gamesmanship having people thrown off because they have thn to be a same name in another state. you have others that say we have all these people that we know that it takes time for this to trickle-down so you have all these things around the issue of people not being called therefore you have to buy into this but the bottom line is that his years of investment and strategy to suppress the vote and voters of color because let's be real about it. they don't understand they are losing a demographic battle. so their strategy is not to actually go out and play in the marketplace of ideas and try to convince people to see things their way and therefore to earn their vote. their strategy is to just get rid of all those people, as many as they can, millions frankly said that they cannot vote and only appeal to their small and in fact increasingly diminished demographic. and unfortunately, it's worked. and until the democratic party understands you have to invest in state politics and push back when the voting rights are challenged and it's a presidential electioif thepresie the test the voting rights act. so we are fighting on all of these different areas and still you have this belief in data and somehow that a white women voter would therefore vote for the democratic party and the organizations that have a long history and a knowledge about how to get out the on the ground vote. instead, you go to these other organizations and as a result have the result we have and unfortunately we are stuck with him incompetent, racist, not narcissist in the white house the next four years. [applause] >> i agree with most of what you said here. but with the say a word about white women. some of my best friends are white women. [applause] [laughter] know, what i want to say is what the democrats keep forgetting is that white women have husbands and fathers and children and some of the white women have grown children have graduated from college or been put through college and still sleeping at home because they don't have a job where they make enough money to go out and get a decent job and start a family. so white women are not some little thing off by themselves out there and that is how they are talked about in terms of women's rights and all the rest of the stuff i support, but you've got to think about the connections into the networks just as we have black women think about our children and husbands and fathers and everybody else, so do white women. so you have to take into account the whole set of circumstances. the other thing i want to say is i'm as against voter suppression as anybody in the world and be organizations and i'm on the board and all the rest of it. but i don't want us to forget that it wasn't voter suppression alone that caused us to lose because if we do then we won't know what to do. you have to listen to what joy-ann said they had all the places there wasn't even an issue and figure out what to do next. i agree about running for the office as either talking about. we ought to put somebody on balance for dog catcher. anything. any office anybody's running for the democrats ought to put somebody on the ballot and try to get them there. that's what the republicans did. they started with the lowest office they could find. i just want to say that white women do have relatives. [laughter] >> let's look at this last election appeare is weird with e members of 2012 and hillary clinton got 5 million less than barack obama. it's a lot closer i think it's about 2 million. i've been calling this a shadow relay. it was like the george herbert walker bush election because you had a democratic policy identifying more in the immediate van with bill clinton policy wise etc.. and it wasn't that hillary clinton didn't get enough votes, she had a two and a half million and counting. it's where she got the votes. she won the popular vote. she won the score on the coast and coastal states of california and new york. she literally spend more time trying to win arizona than trying to win wisconsin. at the end of the day if you feel so confident that you think you're going to win that you pick tim kane rather than picking a winner, be so sure because the data can be dangerous. i've been biggest nerd in the world but the data for the fall. we have assumptions. who uses a landline now? speak to [laughter] no, because when they call you they call you on your landline. now how many of you do, i still do. okay. how many of you do not answer the phone if you see that you don't know the number? [inaudible] the reality is also the assumption when you look at the polls understand that the voter model as opposed to the wrong number, the likely voter model is a pollster taking their own assumption that using it to massage where they put the percentages. so the assumption that we would see a white woman running and that is an opportunity to place themselves in the ticket is an assumption people made. the idea with a college degree would be substantially differe different. >> [inaudible] they didn't tell you because there was so much. it's like they didn't admit it, yes. thank you. i like the interactive crowd. what you were saying about hillary campaigning in the wrong places and it was like the song looking for love in all the wrong places. [laughter] where you really solve the effect is the number of people that claimed they were right but they were undecided because you saw the day before election day the number is generally hovering around three to 5% on a normal election. this time it was hovering around 12 to 15%. they were undecided. those folks were not undecided. and also acknowledge the fact is that hillary would win and she won by two points. exactly the way she was supposed to. those that were wrong as you said in the statewide we have this huge undecided but with ulterior motives. people were not admitting they were in the undecided camp for either trump or joel stein or undecided. i'm going to go back to west because you are every person. you have been grassroots and you are at the highest of heights now. with that, what did you hear working with grassroots organizations, and then to me, we are going to deal with that today, the issue of walter scott, we are going to deal with that because what do we do now after january 20 when it comes to policing the flood were you hearing and what are you still hearing? >> i think about the voter turnout in baltimore city and if you look at the african-american voter turnout but this goes directly to your point because you said well the percentage that voted in the past election was 23% of eligible voters. this wasn't so much about the transfer of the nature of the white working class in al and al these kind of people that voted. it was about the folks that just didn't even come out. at the level of disillusionment that people have about the political system as a whole is real and this is going from the younger folks first time voting to those in their 40s, 50s and 60s where there's nothing about the system that works for me. i remember the day after the primary in indiana, i was having a meeting speaking to an advocate from the hotel. then the driver comes up and i start talking about how things are and he said he'd been driving for about 11 months and i said how is it going and he said i got laid off from my job. i started trying for four months to find a job and i tried to be considered driving. he said i'm making more money doing this and i was wit than iy job so i guess it's going okay. then the day after the primaries but how did it go and so forth. he looked at me and said i'm a lifelong democrat. so we'll start wit we will star, okay, gotcha. then he talked about how he transferred and voted for trump. so when i get to the question of why he decided to vote for trump, he gave a bunch of different reasons than 90% were factually incorrect but these are things that he was repeating to himself even though there is no base behind it but there was somethinthere wassomething he so me. he said he is not owned by anybody. exactly, right? but this is his narrative he's playing in his head that he isn't owned by anybody. part of the thing i was hearing not just from this driver in indianapolis but also other folks is the frustration that the system is almost intentionally not working for them, but every major institution has been triggered against them. the education institutions are against people that are going to school and taking out mountains of debt and they are not finishing so then walking away with debt and no degree. there are people that look at the media and say the media is bought by other people and especially one of the candidates every time he steps up to the microphone he just starts talking about this person is untrustworthy and the dishonest media. major businesses. people feel that the larger institutions to include our politics, or to includ are to ir politics are not working for them and you know, we talk about those. i know we are going to talk about policing in a second. i've been very big and heavy on the need for police reform and accountability because people just do not feel safe in their own neighborhoods and i was talking with a friend of mine and we were talking about freddy gray and everything that happened in baltimore. he said to me next time you get a chance to get to a computer, i want you to look up the arrest again. i told him i've already seen that. he said okay, hold on. before you continue to get mad, do me a favor, go to a computer and youtube greddy gray's arrest again. you can see the handcuffs, being thrown in the back of the police van and hour before he was in a coma. he said the next time you look at the video, don't look at him, and don't forget the police officers. he said look at everything else. look at the homes in the background, look at the buildings, the neighborhood, the fact that video was taken at 9:17 in the morning and how many people are just standing around? they are not on their way to work, they are not on their way to school. they are standing there with cell phones taking pictures. the point of this is we are willing to be honest and address the macro, to be honest about the structural inequities, the structural racism and history that exists in so many of our communities we can never just spend every four years going around asking for a vote. that isn't going to be enough. the frustration people deal about not a certain party or individual, it is past that. it's people fundamentally believing that the system has been built against them. and it's ironic we can build up a whole development in five years but my neighborhood isn't the sam same placeis inthe sames in the 60s. it's about the fact we can sit there and talk about brand-new developments in infrastructure and all this kind of stuff until we are blue in the face but when the neighborhoods go through the unrest that we have seen come you can't tell the difference between a house was burned down yesterday and when it was burned down 20 years ago. they look the same. and so i feel that frustration people felt when we were looking at these things and the reality that that is absolutely right we could have fundamentally changed and it wouldn't even be close to increase the voter turnout. all that is true and all that data modeling and all that is absolutely right. but the truth is we as a party have to be clear we have to be the party of ideas and making sure these people that feel completely forgotten that we actually do hear them because if they feel like this is a situation where it isn't going to make a difference wit where s person is owned by this present into this person is not -- >> the democratic party is regarded, and i know you won't believe this, but around the country when you travel out and go to different towns, they think it doesn't represent working people anymore or people that are trying to find a job. it's the party of the managerial and professional elite, that is what the party is in their mind. the democratic party, what i said about all this campaign stuff, the reason you have to do that is because people don't believe in the system you've got to do anything. you are exactly right and the irony is that neither party represents the class. [applause] if i could say one more thing on that, for a lot of the air that was made it's tough for a lot of people there's a lot of people to work in the business that either grew up in or still live in this area but to a lot of people it's the height of absurdity to think that you've got the time and the space in your life to think about wanting a woman president said the democrats are seen as a party that at the time could think of the abstract notion that it's more important than somebody to have prayer in school. we could have our own judgment about that but to them a lot of the voters bringing christianity back to the school is way more important than having a woman in the white house. those things ar are not importat to everyone and democrats are the party that seemed to have the lecture over the course of the last eight years to go after this cultural idea that to them is an anathema to the christian norm. we embraced the idea because emt is our ethics but for a lot of americans how do you have the time to be thinking more about that than to think about my factory job. you are worried about having all of these issues first. no, these are fundamentally important because they are about civil rights but even during the movement a lot of americans saw postings as of the script so they need to find a way to make this idea of the universal human rights and civil rights that has come out of the base of the democratic party. >> and it's also true that if your neighborhood ever does get it changed, it will be justified and people won't be able to live their. he now lives in a very nice neighborhood. let's make no mistake about it we also had something happen which is russian involvement. let me tell you what they did, they didn't hack the machine although i know that is what people are saying. what they've been doing all over europe, they played this game in every single country and they've been successful so far. what they do is go to traditional voters and they said your problem of not having factory work is because the immigrants and the muslims destroying your way of life even if there were no immigrants and the communities, they so this idea and pump the social media world full of geek -- fake news. stories that hillary clinton was running a child sex ring, you beast stories were believed by people that were looking for an explanation for this sort of infusion of the russian point of view and interfering in people's information flow happened. they know donald trump is the window to what is happening in all of these populist movements. donald trump is amassing a cabinet full of more billionaires than have ever been. we are going back not to the 50s but the 20s. amassing billionaires that are not primarily interested in making sure people's neighborhoods are livable and the plants were fired at them if people have a factory job. it's trickle-down economics. you are still bringing in the delete it's just these financials that are super rich. i always say don't tell people they will not vote in their interest. they vote and what they believe their interests are at a time. >> we talked about the democrats for now let's focus in on the republicans come january. it's not a conjecture, it is going to happen. you have a house and a senate that is republican and then the next 20 to 30 years it is not a conjecture and donald trump says he is demanding he did not get the vast majority of the vote. how do you, people that are concerned about their rights when he says things like how well you heal the racial divide she said law and order. how do you deal with that issue and the tens of millions that are concerned that are going through the transgender process and after january 20 they don't know about the other part being done so how do we navigate these waters in the new administration and the way of conservatism and the different mentality that is coming into washington? >> all of the organizations that are supposed to do the litigation have to be ready to start going into the lower courts and the state courts. sometimes there are state courts that are not under their control that try to get something done, but the lower federal courts that's what they've done before and they will do it now. and the other is for people to engage and organizing the direct action to infect protest against what capitalists want more than anything else is order. so if you can make disorder, you can slow them down and stop them from doing what they are doing but you've got to be willing to make disorder. protest is an essential ingredient in politics and so instead of saying i'm so mad i would like to punch them in my that is not a strategy. what you should do is be organized and if you've got the courage and the strength and the will to engage in organized protest activities, you should do it. we have th had the whole first d second administration. so you've got to slow these people down and make them and that will help. >> i want to come back to this issue that is right on the table today in the news, but i want you to think of your question. not only that but again i want you to go to #racel1)mattersl0 and put your questions in. today we saw a mistrial in the walter scott case. we saw the video. that gentleman gave the video to the family even when it looked like he tried to change the scene. then you have right now the mother of erica garner who's very scared once january 20 rolls around because the federal government, the justice department is trying to help to find justice in this case. they changed the people on the case and now what happens after january 20, what do you anticipate from your reporting and talking to sources that we are going to see with all of this what happens to racial profiling and the accountability with the video camera is in all that stuff? >> some of the young voters and other people that went to talk to the white house what happens i think one of the things you ye going to see happen the case is about to go up to the supreme court that will discuss whether or not a police officer can provoke you and then kill you. they start a confrontation with you and then kill you, the same scenario. so you know how that is going to go or donald chump, i'm sorry. if he would like to come back and be president, i would welcome bush. [laughter] [applause] >> i never thought i would say that. so the rule that already exists but you shouldn't be able to do with a former officer later did that you can't just kill someone but that happens every single day and almost let alone a conviction. conviction. i'd become the prosecutor but actually tried the case is a right-wing conservative republican. the vast majority of making the decision as democrats. democrats that have a primary that no one runs against them and which they are elected as was the case with the prosecutor and as with the prosecutor in ferguson. you generally need to try to control who's in the district attorney's office if you even want a chance of having a prosecution rather than the case just being pushed aside which is what generally happens when someone kills someone. so, when you have it in the system is where it is already highly unlikely that any prosecutor will bring a case against police officer that tolt told you or someone else but love or care about. they will be put before a grand jury that is the secret proceeding which they can essentially act as a defense attorney inside the grand jury room and still let the officer off and then do nothing for you or your loved one has been killed by a police officer and now you have this other issue for civic participation for the jury it's also even when you get a prosecutor willing to prosecute a trial case that goes to trial in the instance here you have 12 jurors 11 white and 12 black, one white male juror alone who decides to hang the jury. why were they able to do that in a case that was the reverse of the zimmerman case in which one woman of color was overwhelmed d by the other jurors when she wanted to hold george zimmerman accountable. she was essentially bullied because she was the only person of color on the jury so what did we learn? most people try to avoid jury service. do not do that. you need to get on the jury because if we don't have them that are represented studies show that is only one person of color on the jury, they get overwhelmed. there is an effect that happens called groupthink. if you ever read the book groupthink it talks about this. it predicts the outcome and in the case you have an 11-1 jury i didn't believe that he would be convicted anyway and i am surprised it went this far but the fact is one white shirt were among ten others and they are much more able to hold their ground in spite of the jury room. one month ten other white sugar this is much more able to stand up to the pressure of the majority. this person stood against 11 people and within such as this woman couldn't hold her ground because she was alone.