That it would be too expensive to have a womens component in the army. This has come for me to anybody this week . It was nonsense then. Its nonsense now. Whether it applies to women or whether it applies to our comrades in arms who are transgender. One of my personal favorites alfred cashier or jenne ha jars. Albert cashier lived 50 years after his service in the civil war as a man. His comrades from this regiment kept it secret that he was biologically female. They encouraged him to live as a man. In a nursing home he was forced into Womens Clothing and his health deteriorated rapidly which shouldnt surprise anybody and he only lived a couple more years after that. He was buried as alfred cashier, a man with full military honors. We thank you so much for coming out tonight and taking this trip through her story with us. Thank you so much and if youve got any other questions wed be happy to take them up here. Thank you all. [applause] thank you very much. Copies of their book are available at the checkout desk. They will be at the table here to sign copies. If you would like your copy side please form a line to the right of the table. Please help us by folding up your chairs. Thank you. [inaudible conversations] next on booktvs after words arizona senator jeff discusses his book conscience of a conservative which calls for a return to the Core Principles of traditional conservatism. He is interviewed by s. E. Cupp New York Daily News columnist dan host of hlms cup unfiltered host lets start with the original conscience of a conservative written by brent bozell for Barry Goldwater the original red white and blue book jacket with the stars. Started my mind. It helped put goldwater on a path to a president ial run. Trying to tell us something . Guest is very much a tribute. In 1960 the conservative movement of the Republican Party in the compromise by the new deal and somebody needed to put together a blueprint on where the party in the movement not to go. Thats what conscience of a conservative was and i think every everybody since then has looked at the book and said this is it. This is the manifesto and so i thought i ought to honor that way because in a way i think we are facing some the same kind of questions today that the party or the conservative movement has been compromised by populist flair. Host you begin the book by saying, i will start by saying i regret having to write this book i regret it because its a sign the American Conservative Movement which has been a force for great good in our country into the world is lost. Why is that . Guest Barry Goldwater wanted the maximum amount of freedom consistent with order and the principles that animated that were limited government, economic freedom, individual responsibility, free trade and strong American Leadership around the world. You look at those items and you think where are we . In terms of limited government we had a campaign where i would expect the Democratic Party not to want to touch entitlement spending but republicans have i said we have got to do that. Conservatives have to be fiscally conservative. Thats really the central canon but instead we will leave that to future generations or other campaigns and then with regard to building the party and playing the game of addition rather than subtraction i think we went the other way and drill down on the base and with regard to free trade for example we are only 5 of the worlds population we are less than 25 of the worlds economic output. If we dont find new markets and if we dont recognize this economy that has globalized around us, with us we can be part of it and take advantage of it and be partisan or we can be left behind by it and im afraid we will be left behind by it. Plus i want to get the free trade specifics that you lay out but more broadly we have a republican in the white house, republican control of congress, republican majority of statehouses. Explain to someone how conservatism is lost. Or remember very well when we were in this position just a few years ago i got to congress in 2001. I ran a conservative think tank in the 1990s, the goldwater institute. Mike pence was running indiana policy review. We knew each other then we were elected together and during the 1990s the party was really animated eye ideas. I still remember and i talk about in the book, bill archer the chairman of the Ways Means Committee and dick armey later the majority leader, they had a book tour and it was kind of like a book tour but they promoted it like a concert tour like they were debating the merits of the flat tax to the consumption tax. I kept it as a reminder of the Party Standing for principle and argued for principle but i remember the floor at one point with mike pence who said sometimes we are presented with a president s no child left behind which think tank conservatives that was a federal intrusion into local education. That was anathema and mike said i feel sometimes like we are minutemen called to the battlefront only to be told the revolution is over. [laughter] so then we had to vote on Prescription Drug benefits which added about 7 trillion to unfunded liabilities. I didnt think it was very conservative than republicans engaged in just horrible types of spending as well, earmarking was wholly underway in 2001 to 2006. We really lost our way and because we couldnt claim that we were fiscally conservative anymore, that was thrown out the window, then we had to argue about things like flagburning and delve into the wedge issues. I think in some ways we have never gotten back. We have the majority in the house and the senate and we have the white house and the lost in 2006 both the house and the senate and in 2008 lost the white house. Just because we have those today doesnt mean we will have them two years from now or even a year from now. I like the antic though the view of mike pence running around a retreat sounding like rainman. Thats great. I found a lot of voters in particular some voters who think the academic argument about conservatism are the concerns of the privileged elite. How do you make the case rightly i think that the health of conservatism is an urgent matter that actually has real world implications . Guest you can win elections and if you are doing that for the sake of winning an election we can do that but if we as conservatives want to enact conservative policy then you have to treat an election like how do we set this up for governing and ways we can move forward with our jen that . Take one of the items that was big during this last election. The president very actively realize the concerns of people transitioning economy those in the rust belt in particular. Its very easy for politicians to point to a shuttered factory and say its because the chinese took your job or the mexicans take your job. Host and it works. Guest and it does not denying the popularity of populism for a reason. If you just want to win elections i guess you can win one here and there but people expect you to govern particularly as a conservative you want to enact conservative policies so i think it would have been better to say yes, its tougher. Anything beyond 30 seconds he if you are talking that long you are losing but we have to recognize the factory a shutteredprobably because of automation and productivity gains. The manufactured twice what we did in the 1980s with one third fewer workers. There are dislocations. We have to recognize that more effectively prepare people for the workforce of the future but that doesnt mean we can just tell them hey if we knock out this trade deal we will be winning again. Host thats harder to explain in a campaign slogan. Guest it is and i think the whole tweeting culture for all of us, we cant reduce complex policy problems in 40 characters in it is difficult. I think its the responsibility of conservatives first and foremost to have some honesty least and say you know hey you have a factory job, yeah you may be transitioning out of it. This economy is going to change. Thats why we have got to have a situation where you can prepare for the future but not tell them hey we are going to get your jobs back, these coal jobs are coming back. Its not on us. Host you talk about that bill archer before. We didnt hear a lot of this debate during the election. Can big ideas still win hearts and minds . Guest i hope it makes a comeback. I think when voters start to value not just an election win but progress toward enacting conservative goals and this president nominated neil gorsuch to the supreme court. Thats a big deal for conservatives in a big deal for may. I was very pleased to help shepherd his nomination to the Judiciary Committee and then on the floor. Thats a great when we will have with conservative locations in the future and other nominations to the federal bench for another cabinet appointment. Thats the start of good conservative policy. Part of my concern revolves around not just being conservative in terms of policy but being conservative in terms of demeanor and manners and in foreignpolicy conservative needs to be steady and needs to be sober and predictable, and respect our institutions and those International Institutions that are served us well for so long. Anything else is not conservative. Host sticking to policy for now as a freshman its why i became a conservative for fiscal policy. Can tax cuts can that breakthrough . He doesnt feel enough. Guest not when you put it like that. You would get a reaction at a think tank but not like that. What it is people understand that you talk to Small Businesses out there, large corporations out there who would say the same thing. We have to have, we are competing globally now more than ever and we have to have a conducive tax and Regulatory Fund and we dont have that right now. With regard to corporate taxes we are among the highest in the world. And regulatory policy we are getting way out of whack and i too think the president has to push back and they think their reaction and the fact that we had 2. 6 Economic Growth eclipses anything we have had recently that in large measure is due to people assuming we are going to move forward on tax policy and have regulatory policy that is conducive. I think thats important if you explain to people. If we lower regulation and i think small smallbusiness people understand that well but when its Health Care Environment environmental regulation Labor Regulation its been all consuming. Host you tell a very moving story about how two immigrants to save the life of your fatherinlaw and you also later talk about how antiormond bigotry drove your family to arizona. Talk about trumps muslim ban with those two experiences as a back drop. Guest when the president in december of 2010 announced he would have a muslim ban that to me and i think to the heart of any mormon, that is a dagger. People who may not know the history of the 1840s, there was an extermination order in the state of missouri for mormons, basically fair game. That stayed on the books until 1975. Certainly it wasnt utilized as much as in the 1840s but the mormons were driven to illinois and ultimately went across across the plains to utah at my great, great, great grandfather was among that group. That is fresh in our minds and when you say theres a muslim ban it might as well be a mormon bayan or a mexican ban. It just doesnt sit right so when i was announced i took my family and we went to a mosque and went to prayers to say that we didnt agree with that and that was in the republican position. It was later modified in the travel ban and i would argue the latest iteration is constitutional. Part of it has been upheld a part of the pass and so its not the constitutional aspect. A muslim ban is clearly unconstitutional but the way came out i didnt think it was very wise. I believe if we are going to win this war on terrorism, this war against radical islam we have to recognize and not ascribe radical islamic views to every muslim and thats what a muslim ban search he does in this travel ban i explain in the book how that came about in the six countries that ultimately ended up there. People tended to say that was president obamas list and tried and true list that was deliberated on and it really wasnt. I talk in the book about how that came about. If we are going to have abandoned space done jack of the of the country at least have some deliberative process where you choose those countries. We didnt go through that here. Explain that my fatherinlaw had a heart attack and a ruptured aorta last november and was rushed to the hospital and underwent an 11 hour surgery. The first surgeon bobby khouri saved his life. His heart wouldnt start so they had to bring in an echo machine did lose the circulation of the blood and kept his heart going into other organs going while the heart recovered. The man that did that was from mayo clinic. Bobby khouri was a palestinian rates in lebanon and the other was raised in afghan, and afghanistan. If we had these types of bands of people from majority muslim countries then we would lose out on talents either in the medical field or hightech or anything else that we rely on and in this case very much saved my fatherinlaws life. Host did it bother you that this muslim man appeals to a lot of people . Guest im not discounting the popularity of it and im certainly not blaming voters partly because politicians often will exaggerate or paint a broad rush that is intended to rile people up. I dont blame those ultimately who have that sentiment is much as id blame those of us in a position to do otherwise, who dealt. Host part of this book was also controversial mainly because of your stance on the Civil Rights Act at the time. These are trying times in america for racial divide. What role do you think conservatives need to play in bridging that racial divide . Guest well i think what touches on the racial divide his immigration and immigration reform. I do think that the republicans need to be the party that welcomes immigrants and i cant remember if it ended up in the book or not but i talked about when tim kaine was chosen by Hillary Clinton as her running mate. His first speech was in florida and he spoke often in spanish in a speech where he spoke very moving way of a naturalization ceremony that he had attended or others he had attended and i saw saw that at that time, that used to be us. Republicans arent celebrating those whom he could hear and wanted my choice to be in america. And we are giving that up and during this campaign if we look into the future, after the 2012 election republicans sat down and did the famous autopsy which concluded we have got to appeal to a broader audience. When you look at that audience george w. Bush won in 2000 getting 50 of the white vote. Mitt romney lost in 2012, and getting 59 of the white vote so every few years the electorate is 2 less white and if we dont have a message that is appealing to everyone, if we have a message that some groups feel that they are being targeted are left behind or left out than we arent going to be successful electorally. I would submit that its not a conservative message to appeal to everyone so we can include everyone. Host i want to move to the subject that is very important to me. You say only in antidemocratic regimes do we allow alternate facts to be the truth. President trump seems. Help fund on undermining the truth and believes a strong free press is one of the best mechanisms thats getting at the truth. How do conservatives and citizens guess who i devoted an entire chapter in the book on that because it is so important. We have the First Amendment gratefully that protects the freedom of the press and we ought to cherish that in hold to it while we can. There has been some talk other governments in europe democratic governments face big fines for what would later he determined as fake news. That doesnt work here and it shouldnt work here so you hope theres some kind of market response. People in the end will value real news over fake news. Its really concerning when you look at i talk in the chapter a lot about consumers Conspiracy Theory about barack obama and where he was born. There were a lot of us he came out and said dont traffic in nonsense like that. Dont go there. Too many conservatives were silent or engaged in that and that is very hurtful not just to those who were involved or were targeted but by the entire process. A democracy depends on shared facts of truths that are selfevident and if we dont have that we are in real trouble. I was greatly concerned the other day that a poll of 49 of republicans believe that donald trump won the popular vote and donald trump won the electoral college. Thats all thats important. Thats what made him our legitimate president but he didnt win the popular vote in that is a truth that should be selfevident but because of news sources pushing things out that are not right, too many people are believing it and it is a big problem. We havent found a solution to it. I hope its a Market Solution where people will value real news but its going to be a problem for a long time. Host in particular because a primary trafficker of that birther conspiracy with donald trump. There are not a lot of lessons about not trafficking in fake news or conspiracy theories to point to and say here is where will get you. Well a guide to the white house. Guest im glad he dropped it. Im glad they did but i do think its incumbent on elected officials when things are so demonstrably untrue that we not counted and say im sorry i wont go there. Host i want to go to free trade. Talk about the conservative positions on trade in the Global Economy that seemingly overnight were abandoned in favor of quote back of the envelope slogans. Those slogans resonated with a lot of americans. Do voters when it comes to free trade do voters reject your version of conservatism . Guest i think in this case if you are given two choices something easy your something hard, the easy answer at the hard truth is more attractive to take the easy choice particularly when you are entertained in the process. That does not absolve us from recognizing we have got to tell the truth and the truth is when there is a shuttered factory gets more complex than china took those jobs and so what i am concerned about is one