can you write a book about what the republicans should do with present electronic? and that's it i can do that. and i've been thinking about this for a lot what would it be like for a republican majority and a republican president? i did not focus for the next 45 days in the didn't choose to put the day out there the monday after the president was sworn in. and it is about what? conservatives what they ought to think about and how we can get stuff done.>> and what should they think about us? >> that we are not crazy. we care about poor people. we want people to have health insurance. we do not want a war in there is a way to accomplish that. and if they would open their ears or read a book like the fourth way: the conservative playook for a lasting gop majority they would see we have a pretty good set of ideas. the first was fdr's way, the second where was reagan's, the third way was tony blair and bill clinton. the fourth way was hamilton's way and a big strong federal government doing what it ought to do and its enumerated powers with a lot of liberty. >> let me just make sure i heard you as a conservative. he said a big strong federal government.>> in the areas in which it empowers oh enumerated. a big maybe. and a big air force. 1400 fighters not what we have right now. and a big army and a huge -- so space can do that. a big fence. i want a big fence. i've been arguing for that for 10 years new book called -- in 2006. build a fence will never reform immigration.an president trump is building a fence. >> and will get into, you have a lot of specifics here so we'll get into more of the nuance edges here but as you mention republicans now enjoy a majority. they wield tremendous power. the last time democrats had the white house, the senate and the house, i would say that it didn't do much with it. they did not touch immigration rally. no tax reform, no entitlement reform.they did not even touch guns or climate change really. what should the gop do to avoid just sort of sitting on their powers and not make the most of this opportunity which could be over in two years, who knows. >> quite -- great observation. they have a long time and they did stimulus and obamacare and they did -- it will be gone in two years. it will all be swept away and no trace of the obama presidency. i want to build things. but we ought not to do is waste time. under the rules of the body that is the senate, you only had to do one big thing a year with 51 votes in the big thing this year we will do is repeal obama care. hopefully replace it with 60 votes but if not they'll be on the democrats. i think we'll get something. in year two you get one big thing with 60 votes. but i think it will be tax reform of the some people want to get rid of don frank. the second big thing. if we hang onto it, the big thing in the 2019 site will be to repeal don frank. >> to undo. >> yes. what we can do is but when we replace obamacare, a national market. which is president trump's -- event understand what he is talking about. you would get it, i would get it but who actually knew. international market for every insurance product we can do a great deal on the judiciary with only 51 both thanks to senator reid. we can get a great deal done and then the courts can accomplish a great deal of capping the federal government rollback. >> and back to the democrats and squandering an opportunity, the things he mentioned that they did do, they did not do with republican support.if i recall not one republican supported obamacare. so, is there a lesson there for republicans going forward? that these things might be more permanent if we get some democratic buy-in? >> there is indeed a lesson when it comes to ricoh because that which was passed without any of our support could be undone with only our support. but if you want to do something like replace obamacare -- for example i wanted immigration overhaul. we are not going to deport 11 million people. once it gets both are willing to regularize most of them. i don't want to let people enter the country illegally vote. so there's a middle ground. we can arrange export and deport those people who are bad people that commit felonies or violence in the record. but most of the 11 or 12 billion are not bad. i live in california, i live with illegals every day and i understand the undocumented to be perfectly ordinary people trying to live their lives and improve themselves.i would love donald trump to deal with the democrats on that and say okay, you want to regularize, we will regularize the return and i will get these things were obamacare. these bridges and the structures. there are deals to be done that would benefit the country. on that it would be useful to have democrats. >> while we are on immigration, for so long republicans and democrats have benefited from the broken immigration system. they ran elections on that. and they fund raised on that. anything people looking at president trump wonder optimistically maybe that he doesn't come with any of that baggage. he sees the problem, he wants to fix it. maybe he will be the president that fixes this spoken immigration system.when he will need both parties. >> let me turn around and ask you a question. i think he is invulnerable to charges of amnesty. never donald trump does on immigration i think the charge of amnesty bounces off of him. do you agree with that? >> i would think so. for many reasons he is not created a perception that he is going to be kind to you now, on this issue. >> if the nixon ãonly nixon can go sit down and not be accused of being soft on the reds and only donald trump can do in immigration deal and not be accused of amnesty. i mean some people will. you know there was a amnesty but his program to say that no one will hear him. donald trump says this is not amnesty. >> on some of the specifics, you lay out - most would require a lot more spending. infrastructure spending, immigration, you talk about the military, i am a conservative. explain to me the value of more spending to get what we want. >> most of the long-term deficit is tied up in entitlement reform.in the last chapter in the book is about raising the retirement age sequentially over many years incrementally 70 to 72 given what's happening with human aging. on chaining and doing things that have reform and back to the states with the moment they get an reform with medicare with vouchers and i'm not afraid of that word. in those are huge savings. -- will give them one attempt what we gave president obama, $85 billion and let him spend it through local agencies that he controls. $85 billion is not a lot of money. if building the military is, any country that aspires to lead the world must be willing to put maybe five percent of the gdp, two and half percent, low right now. into the national defense. so that is a lot of money. but mulvaney goes over to ibm and he cuts apa, us fish and wildlife service, department of interior, there is a lot of money to be cut from that. what i would give him what i call noncommitted discretionary dollars to do it as the president promised he would do. >> on that, on infrastructure - he talked about this to the course of his campaign. the republicans worried about how much he was going to spend in the early days. how do you think that is shaping out to look what donald trump was to do in immigration and if he has democrats support to do it? >> on this very day i got it carbamate republican congressman. senior conservative i will leave unnamed. he is worried about spending and big government growth under donald trump.my argument is, he won, he campaigned on a few things very specifically one of them is the wall and the other is 350 ships in the navy and the others infrastructure. those of the three.there is basically nothing appeared and trade deals. and boy do i disagree and trade.i'm a free trader.i didn't like -- but he won, he is just doing what he said. and my argument to that conservative was the only office elected nationally, if he runs on specific things he has a mandate. he gets those things. ronald reagan ran on a huge navy and on a tax cut and he got those things. president obama ran on the stimulus and obamacare and he got those things. when you win you get what you want. you can haggle on the details but it may be short-term expensive, long-term advantageous to the nationals. >> so there are republicans you have talked to that are worried about donald trump as a conservative. >> has even more than george w. bush. >> and in those debate stages i would sit there and listen to them talk about some things and the spending. i am a paul ryan republican. i'm a reagan republican. an opportunity of society, liberty -- >> morning america. that is not what we heard on inauguration day. >> no, but he won. then do understand the american carnage. the speech startled me. what did you think of the inaugural address? >> at length many parts of it but as a conservative it just did not capture the optimism that i think a lot of his supporters have going into tomorrow. >> doctor -- and i got together to listen to it and go over it on my radio show. he made me listen to it and maybe read reagan's first inaugural. and i had forgotten this because when reagan took over from carter, inflation was at 14 percent. and the language used, he didn't use the word carnage but he's a lot of words about destruction, destroying well, people's optimism. it was a very dark speech. for leers later it is morning america. so i listened to that and i also thought about moonlight. have you seen the movie moonlight? it will win the best picture i think it will. it is the best movie i've seen in many years. it is about an eight-year-old african-american child with a crackhead mom who is sexual orientation is up for grabs and he is gay and he doesn't know what that means. and he is bullied and it is terrible and he lives in a drug infested neighborhood. >> make me want to see it because you are not. >> it is a story and how to survive. and it takes an affluent anglo like me to a world i never go to that i have never seen and great movies do that. they take you to someplace you've never been. >> but is there some redemption i hope? >> there is some redemption. it may not be what you approve of but there is redemption. there is compassion. >> okay. >> but it is not about white america. it is about all of america that is suffering under the drug culture and under grinding conditions of lawlessness. donald trump is right, there is a lot of the country and in anglo america jd vance -- is about hamilton, ohio. the opioid epidemic. his mom was a drug user, six dads. his natural father gave him up and his adopted father abandoned him. and he had a hillbilly grandfather and they were beatings and screaming and yelling. his dysfunctional family is getting worse. so the carnage in america is real. donald trump called it out. now he wants to fix it. >> that book resonated with my kentucky born father as well. a lot. but i just read today that the illinois governor said that donald trump hasn't called about the violence in chicago. and they haven't had that discussion. now let me grant president trump, was like a couple of days in to his presidency and his already done a lot.but do you see the words translating into action when it comes to those connections he made with people in the west belt and blue-collar manufacturers? >> yes, i saw the first day he did more outreach than president obama did in a year to his opposition. when he brought in a carpenters union, the steelworkers union, the crafts. he brought in a craftsman. i'm groping ohio with all of the uaw and united steelworkers and plumbers. he had them in. these are men and women who build things. and her work with their hands. he is expanding his coalition. i believe, my light touch industrial policy gets a little ãif you do a corporate tax cut paul ryan told me they want a five and half percent grace period. so that if you come back, apple, you have $200 billion parked overseas. if you bring that in, the taxes 5 and a half percent. it would generate an enormous amount of review. if i was donald trump rose you bet paul. but i want to tell them for they use it at -- they had to build the next campus in scranton. in youngstown, wisconsin. because of the example used in the fourth way, the law school in michigan.a wonderful town but the downtime is empty. it is not completely empty but it is worn out.now it is a light in the fire because five years ago google for 60 acres and move their campus there. and we put the second largest investment into ann arbor the whole town explodes with a start up and service industry and young engineers and developers and all of that kind of stuff. if you do that with facebook in a different state and you do that with apple in a different state, and i saw that fox con, they make iphones. they want to build a $7 billion flatscreen production facility somewhere in the united states. if i am president trump i call the 25 to 50,000 jobs depending on how big it is. great job. hey, mr. fox con wait. you're going to build that in scranton or you're not going to build it. our one of the blue states. that is light touch industrial policy. i don't care where you go that way you will build it here. >> is it light touch because republicans complain about democrats wanted to interfere in private businesses.in more ways than one. when president trump because of a business owner says building here you are not building anywhere, is that really light touch?>> yes it is. i am from california and i have seen rick perry for the last 12 years coming to california and take a business. he is like velcro fingers. >> totally, yeah. >> he steals businesses because the tax rate is good. so we are going to lower the corporate tax rate and make a lot of money on profits because of the cost of energy. he is going to say i don't care where you believe you will build it here and by the way you be great if you build it one of the blue states. >> right. i want to quote to you, which i know for me is always very uncomfortable but bear with us. you have a good line inherent about the key of we. >> yes. >> is a donald trump, mike pence, -- if they govern in the key of we inquisitive, joyously, celebrating prosperity americans are happy people. they wanted and to the political carnage that goes back to the impeachment of clinton, dissolution of 9/11 unity and attracts on president bush. the panic the bailout and the sorry, the bailout, the coercion of obamacare and -- is donald trump the guy who can transcend this us versus them and as you say in here, a friend in era goodwill. >> the key is not rhetorically in his wheelhouse. he is not in a gifted order. but what he does, he went to an african-american church in the campaign. he did not say much. he kind of swayed. the old white guy swaying i get that.and that's okay if you show up, you are saying a lot. it's our legacy and show up in the inner city. i would like to see them in santa ana, california. which is home to more mexicans in one place. and i mean mexicans in one place than any other city in a concentrated form in the united states. at least they say that about santa ana and i live about 10 miles from there. so i would like to see him show up in communities that send the message of inclusiveness and i would like him to keep his twitter fight the media. i don't mind him fighting with the media. as you know what, we are privileged. and this is the hyman roth in the godfather. this of the business we've chosen. someone must estate to mount a national state that you are a low rated talkshow host which mr. trump did not do. lindsey graham never brings it up.that's okay. fight with us, do not fight with americans who cannot punch back. don't punch down, punch up. touch of the network, at vested power on wall street, the russians, syrians, don't punch americans. i think if he does that he can hit the key of we even if it is a little off tempo. >> a little flat. i got the donald trump trigger treatment as well. >> you did? >> people don't like not being in that class. >> really? >> okay well he called me a loser. >> well i am low rated so you're a loser and i am low rated. nobody listens to your show. >> it is a remarkable time. so when did you decide that donald trump was going to get your vote? because i know you interviewed him more than a dozen times and i need told to quit the race at least once on twitter. when did you get to the place where you said, this is who i am voting for? >> the history is never interesting to anyone but me. but i was at switzerland through the whole campaign.i did 170 interviews because i was doing the debates and you have to be fair. when he one i said okay i'm with you. when he touched the judge i did a broadcast. it's like a cancer so if you don't stop it it will kill you. so he stopped and i got back on his bus and i campaigned with him. we brainstormed for donald trump all through the summer. a lot of times the ãi am a practicing roman catholic. and i asked him via twitter to please withdraw. he did not. so my choice was donald trump or hillary clinton. that's easy, donald trump. it is coming true with the supreme court. i said back in january before he was the nominee when people were saying the ãsome people box themselves and by that. and because you end up having a binary choice. either hillary or donald. and i want to mr. trump. when it came down to it i decided on the day of the election to vote for him. because i said i would wait upon events. so that day. i did not want another access hollywood video the morning of the election. so i would not commit after that. i was burned. and i thought they must have more. i was convinced they had more. >> right. >> and of course they were talking about the russian dossier. but i did not believe that. but also all sorts of allegations were out there. -- i thought i could do it overnight, no puritans that you do by special delivery. so the cost is $68 to have it fixed and send it back to california. >> exercise. >> it was. the franchise, i take it seriously. >> so president trump, as of this moment is pretty abysmal. approval numbers right now, in fact record high disapproval for someone at this point in time. >> right. >> how does he begin to turn that around? >> he is doing effectively what he needs to do would just keep his promises on the big four that we talked about. and if he executes his numbers will rise. in fact i saw them rise in the first week rather significantly. because people said maybe he isn't like every other politician that campaigns on a and then does z. that alone he will get 10 percent. just doing what he said he would be. they went out after the election because he had some fights and that is not helpful to him and he will figure that out. it is a learning machine and he is media savvy, social media. but mostly his problem comes from the last segment of the fourth way. it is about impeachment. but all of the history of impeachment in the one chapter so it is easy, what did masses a, what did we do with johnson and clinton. i think they get the house majority back. >> i am glad you brought that up we're jumping ahead a bit but democrats were talking about impeaching him. i want to read something you said basically admitting that, look republicans have impeached on before. you see we have done this in the past and they will do it again at the country and the party need it done.and if the party needed it they would do it. the gop has been tested on that before and did not fail. democrats did not convict their impeached president by their own conclusions. president trump has begun his time of authority so well has proposed appointments, so not without controversy. generally superb is not likely to tempt the impeachment guides. he will self regulate. all due respect. what are you on and can i have some? >> what am i on? >> i have not seen a self regulated donald trump. people hear that they say what? >> self regulating regards to especially -- they did an article saying that president trump violate on day one.now i happen to be at the -- so before you went to fire an opinion i went off took the article and read it, researched it myself and came to a conclusion. i researched enemies a salary connected with an officer that's what it means. and gifts mean something different and -- they are afraid of bribes that's what it comes down to. then i read and this was a self-regulation part. president trump piled don mccann the former commissioner, is marked at. don mccann immediately enlisted the former counsel to president bush and president reagan. he said what you have to do with this business?when they came up with an ever this very carefully is self regulate. which is to turn the business over that you are only aware of the bottom line, not the individual transaction. but you do not have to self terminate. you and i both know he owns turnberry. >> he knows that. >> he went there during the campaign. >> he loves turnberry. sophie seemed talking about turnberry at night he is doing bad things but he is not supposed to do that. and i believe he will avoid doing that except in a humorous way. >> what do you mean by that? >> he might make a joke about that. you might say well i guess i shouldn't talk about turnberry but there is great golf there. or something like that. but it is not a constitutional violation. >> you don't worry about in the next four years the conflict of interest story will follow him, right or wrong at nausea. it is just such a complicated web of -- quest they have to be caesar's wife. if anyone gives anyone a bribe he will be impeached. especially the democratic congress. but he's not going to take a bribe. this is a smart developer who is used a lot to his advantage. he is not going to release taxes even though he told me he was going to. he is not going to end that is baked into the cake. the americans understood that and they voted for him anyway. that is not impeachable. no bribes he will be fine, keep kids away from having secret meetings they will be fine. i do believe he will self regulate on the money. if i'm wrong i'm wrong but we will know about it. because there is not only one reported that once a pulitzer. there are legion out there trying to bring him down. and i have had only email exchanges with ivanka trump and i think she is very smart. i've not had any conversations with jared kushner. i have read and seen his speeches. he is very smart. i don't know john junior or eric. i assume they are very smart. more important, mccann is smart and donald trump did not fall off of the fruit truck on the way into the town and make $1 billion. he is successful, there is a reason. >> to your point the kids are lovely and very smart. i will shift gears just a little. i am a gay rights supporter. in the book you explain why he shouldn't be worried about donald trump's supreme court overturning of gay marriage. explain that to people like me. >> at the longest conversation with my editor. they kept wanted to put more law and i said people care about the decision upholding same-sex marriage rights in all 50 states which is the five ã four decision. in the book i write, expected donald trump gets more appointment after this one from the left side of the court meeting kennedy over to senate mayor. vincente ginsberg retires, roe versus wade will be overturned. i believe that. because the real law is bad law and it doesn't hold up to science when the unborn are actually -- in all of these different issues. i think you will be up to the states to regulate. ... .... >> by the way, there is a long list. does it follow that you would overturn or wouldn't? he would never overturn this bah people relied upon it to their detriment and deep life long conditions. people have gotten married and had children and it was only eight months, one stay, and a bad decision. we have had three years, tens of thousands of people getting married, thousands of children are in same-sex couples and america moved on. the churches haven't moved on. i don't believe the chief justice or any conservative who understands the rule of law would vote to overturn this. i think richard is going to be our ambassador. he is going to be a hell on wheel on the russians. i >> i wonder if he will feel pressure to act on that. >> i am an evangelical roman catholic -- it is confusing. i believe intimacy is reserved for people who are married. i want to say that and leave it alone. there is a different line in the interstate commerce clause between the baker, the candle stick maker and the photographer which we have to work out. what do you have to do because of congress and artistic expression. we can work it out but let's get along. rodney king. >> talk about the effect of the read rule under trump and how democrats shot themselves in the foot with that one. >> don't you love harry reid? the filibuster was constitutional. the senate made up this rule about filibusters and then it got abused by the democrats under senator reed and they were blocking john roberts and miguel estrada and david prier. so bill said we will change the rules. they got seven democrats and a gang of eight gaegs four and four. they said we are going to stop the filibuster and approve this list of judges. flash forward 2013, democrats are frustrated because republicans have adopted the tactic of the minority and not approving any judges to the washington, d.c. circuit which is at 11 judges at the time it only had seven. there were four vacancies. that court controls the regulatory states. so reid said i will detonate this and blow up everything. it takes 51 votes to change the rules of the senate. the rule they changed only applied to appeals court, district courts and executive branch nominees. it is of the same kind. i don't care what he said. what matters more than anything is the rules of the senate committee changed with 51 votes. that is the reid rule and you can't erase the precedent. they thought hillary would win and if she didn't we thought she would have the senate. they looked to this cycle and said if we lose the cycle we will get it back. we barely held on. this swauz -- was pre-donald trump. they were arrogant. what hits you is the rain of the black swan. >> republicans were successful in 2010 and 2014 because they had opposition and a lot of anger. people were waving frustrations on the ground. how do republicans generate that enthusiasm for the next turn to turn out the same kind of people? or do they just stay home? >> like rooting for the patriots. let me ask you. did you march in the women's march? >> no, i didn't. >> my house in washington, d.c. was full of people from california coming to march in the women's march. they were not radical leftists but center and center left women who feel threatened. mike and debbie coming over to my house before the inauguration were distressed and anxious and loosing sleep over donald trump. he is not lincoln-like in his appeals. he is confrontational, a brawler and angry guy. i think the republicans have to be very careful that the energy shifted to the left. the women's marches were extraordinary and people want to look past them and pretend it didn't happen are like the democrats that looked past the tea party. we have not had a half a million people on the hill in a very long time. roads blocked off and people coming in. those people are not going to stop and reorganize. redistricting, plus the number of counties trump took, should protect the public majority but that is what democrats thought. they thought fundamentally they had redistricted themselves into a majority position and the war and president obama was delivering. they don't understand the american consensus exists. we don't deport people. we build a wall and don't make people get insurance. when you violate that consensus you risk rebuke. and when president trump violates that on attitudes, language, what we expect from a president and he doesn't down that. access hollywood is what really brought it out. i haven't seen him doing that. i think he is different than when he was -- i think he is fundamentally different. that would mobilize and overwhelm the public. part of 2014, democrats stayed home and republicans turned out. if republicans get bummed out, they sit on their hands and don't do anything, who is going to be excited? >> or if they think they don't need to turn out because thinks are so great. >> you might think, look, we got our way things are going to be rocking and rolling. trump is in the white house. he doesn't need me to come out in two years. if i am trump and the republican majority i worry about that too. >> there was a voter on the marginal who didn't vote in 2010 but didn't come back. trump won't be on the ballot. but he will be better than president obama at asking them to come out. president obama was very complacent. i know democrats think he went out there in this election but no, he didn't. he talked a lot about himself. michelle obama was much better for secretary clinton. he talked about himself where every we hent. trump will not make that mistake obama made. >> you have to hope that senators and congressman want him to come out for them. you know? how do we support him without co compromising the principles we were against during the election? >> that is a good question. my friend who was a never-trumper and didn't vote fwr the president and he writes i hope i am wrong about what he can accomplish. i hope he accomplishes a lot and works collaborative. here are the two best things. he is working with speaker ryan and that is good and mitch mcconnell. i think they have adopted a vision. it is 1600 that is going to execute. we are not going to deal with the personality this donald trump. >> they won't comment on that. >> that is okay. but the second thing he did and maybe the best thing he did was he wanted mitt romney for secretary of stateism -- state. i am a big romney man and wanted him to win. i thought he would win secretary of state. they had a sincere conversation and i believe it to be true. i don't think he was jerking him around. but politically they said you cannot have romney. he went looking for secretary of state and called up a guy he doesn't go, robert gates, one of the great all-time americans and he came to the trump tower and said you ought to talk to rex tillerson. he is really good. boy scout, eagle scout, ran exon. trump says, okay. he never met tillerson but hires him after checking him out and all these people say yeah and by the way, the secretary of energy for obama thinks he is a terrific guy. all these different people think he is an excellent guy so trump as the business man said i have to run the state department you are the guy. we will stop the extra legal grabs of power that mccarthy and before her, i can't remember, lisa can't remember her last name, the administrators were out of control. it was a rogue agency. rogue agency. he will shut it down. andy pesner will be an evangelist. andy, i heard him give a speech and i had him on the radio show, talking about how we invented the franchise. there is a movie out about ray crock. the franchise is the greatest engine for taking people of little means and turning them into wealthy people. they work, and work and whether it is a grocery store or 7-eleven they accumulate wealth assets they can invest time and labor in. he is evangelical on the stump for enterprise. donald trump and nikki haley -- any woman speaking up there about values from south carolina is dynamic. and jeff sessions and bill smith. jeff sessions is clearly the most qualified nominee we have ever had. i think served as an assistant united states attorney, united states attorney, state attorney general and four terms on the state judiciary. great appointment. i don't know the deputy general. if he stands up to the team of rivals, rick perry was a rival. some people are not in but if he stands up the team i will be p happy enough. i am going to hope he gets reelected if it is against cory booker or you know the most tale talented person they is is chris murphy from connecticut. i think he is their likely nominee. harris from california. >> yup. talented. >> she is very talented. she is very talented and very smart. >> if you have had hard lefty who will take the courts in a different direction versus a president you are still uneasy with maybe they will convert you. >> i always thought conservative did best when making an intel c intellectual or emotional argument. do you put trump in either of those categories? >> trump is like the british prime minister in the 1800s who climbs the poll. he is a man of the party. he is nakedly ambitious and people never thought he believed a thing. they thought israeli was for israel. there was vast poverty in the industrialization. he went through the congress of vee viana. he orchestrated everything and if you can understand israeli you will get me and american politics. it is about party. i am a party guy. a lot of people think that is a dirty word. he makes the argument nothing can get down without a party. trump is not in the literal frin ge of the republican party. he built a majority, though. we had that briefly in 2001, 2005 was the worst party ever. shivo, myers, katrina and the war. no wonder we lost the majority. global analysts whatever they say that is. i think trump might know a party guy who is a transformative figure. >> do you think the white house is going to change him or that he will change the white house in the nature of that office as we have known it? >> great question. president reagan took office and president nixon had a tape recorder. there are different traditions. president george w. bush had six tox show hosts in and i tell this story on the last wednesday of his presidency i was honored to be among them and he asked us to go easy on the new guy because it was a hard job. in what president trump calls the nuclear it becomes an of course it must change you. the daily briefing has to be scary as well. when i had my clearances it was back before there was an islamic jihad. i think that will change anyone. i think general mattis is the best appointment. you do the hoover fellowship and they go out and march and then comes in mattis and he does an ho hour. everyone was blown away by the strategic vision and the detail of the structure, needs of the service. just amazing. >> someone that served under him said he has a bear skin rug but the bear is not dead it is just afraid. >> i haven't heard that. there are great stories about mattis. i am looking forward to seeing what he does. so the people that visited in washington, d.c., and i had people visit to participate, what would you tell them is a reason to read the fourth way? this can't just be for conservatives. >> the first chapter is about conservatives who build things, churches, local governments, who understand the needs of the poor and the underclass. paul ryan is a bleeding heart conservative. anyone who has been around him -- the catholic gospel packaged in a hunting and he is the walking, talking embodiment of what i believe the government should be. i get this a lot. you are the nicest conservative. >> i get you are the most normal. >> in the greenroom, everyone is getting along. and conservatives want poor people to prosper. we don't like crime. donald trump keeps coming back it the murders in chicago. chicago on the weekend, in some neighborhoods, thought the ones i go to or you go to, but in some neighborhoods it is dangerous. if they go to the park at night they are getting shot and they are 13 years old. rudy stopped it in new york but my friend joy read, msnbc c contributer said they hate rudy. i don't happen if that is true. donald trump takes the african-american vote from 8%? i think mitt romney got 4%. if he takes it to 10% the democrats are dead. if he shatters the african-american consensus that democrats must always win the democratic party is dead. the republican party might slight. we could be come three parties and a lot of people have written that. david brooks wrote on the first column after the election he would be impeached within a year. i think that is so trump like. we will be talking about -- i just want to watch it all and see what the historians say about him. i can detach and say it is the most interesting moment in american history but it is so dangerous broad. >> i said the same thing. isn't this exciting? it is an exciting time to be the front lines of this as we are. >> last question, you are a democrat. what is your prescription? you have given a prescription to conservatives and trump and paul ryan? what is your prescription to the democratic party? it seems they are in a bit of an existential crisis. they want to cling to their progressive rock stars. they are not in the middle. but does the democratic party do? if you are like me you want two strong parties that make each one better. what do you tell them? >> he was a graduate of my high school. he was a center left democrat who evolved being a pro-life catholic to pro-equal rights catholic. he might run for governor of ohio and could probably win. seth molten in massachusetts, marine, hard nosed, serious about foreign policy. if they go to these people they are not progressives. >> i would also say not just midwest and smart but he is younger. and nancy pelosi instead says we know you want younger midwestern talent in here. we will pick some for you. i thought they lost it and didn't get it. >> i am told by some nancy pelosi got a two year warning ticket. you are out of here in two years. don't run again. having chuck schumer is perfect from my perspective because he is new york. he is the machine and he knows donald trump. he made a deal and this very little reporter that was obsc e obscured by trump. president trump needs to be aware. bad news about the democrats get out there unimpeded. chuck schumer promised he would go to the cia with the new director and broke his word because ron white wouldn't play. and tom cotton, great senator from arkansas, future president i believe, got into a yelling match and said if you were here eight years ago you would know we didn't confirm this goy and cotton said eight years ago i was getting my ass shot out in afghanistan. you lied to me. that is a bad way for chuck schumer to start. i want them to stay self-destructive and focused on small things. hyperbolic. let them go crazy on everything. we don't want them dead. just wounded for a while. restock the courts. then they can come back into the semi normal status. >> do you think -- i have witnessed the democratic freak outs/the meltdowns. do you think that will end? i keep wondering it is election let's give them the day after inauguration then there is the marches. do you think we will come to a period where democrats expect this? even people who didn't support trump on the right support this and we get to work? >> you and i like van jones. during the debates, i went over to nbc and spent time with van and she is smart and charismatic. there is a temptation for everyone who is a talking head lefty to go nuclear on trump and get applause online. so twitter amplifies everyone the statements. it is really up to van to enjoy and other people on the left. you are not listening. nobody tell. >> we will watch him. we have our eyes on him. thank you so much. the fourth wave is a great read. i really enjoyed it. >> thank you for reading it so closely and a great read. >> sunday night on after words: >> my focus waws to get justice for trayvon. .... i think that the name trayvon martin represents not just who he was but all young black and brown boys and some girls as well. that have been killed and nobody is being held accountable. quest sunday night at nine eastern on "after words" >> are watching booktv on c-span2 with top nonfiction books and authors every weekend. booktv, television for serious readers. >> "after words" is next on booktv. this weekend professor emrys westacott explores the history of approval livery. the book is the widsom of frugality: why less is more - more or less. he is interviewed by michelle singletary. >> i am so thrilled to be talking to you and you said i can call