[cheers and applause] [inaudible conversations] host governor it is of pleasure last time i saw you was in the barn doing a a fundraiser during the president ial campaign. Governor you are an incredible person. You are a model for everybody but also women with transeventeen yearold twin daughters i want them to know what is possible that the whole world is your oyster dont let anybody hold you back you were one of the people by have watched for many years i am not trying to flatter you but tell you honestly i have respect for you because you were a of the year as governor and of the epa and all of your life senator lugar the other day working with him on the issue to rid the world of the Nuclear Weapons. I saw senator bob kerrey couple of months ago when i see these folks who are bigger than life i have to Say Something. First of all, i am very impressed by your book it is personal and insightful and very clear on the kinds of things that you think rabat m of our challenges as a country. How did you come to your title . Christi when i think back in my career as a republican it wasnt always comfortable because i ma populist by positive populist i can understand the troubles of working people because that is where i grew up so i always felt those folks need to be heard and respected but there is negative populist not what i ate appreciate at all sometimes it is the blame game carries a much of that element we also have to pick ourselves up with that element of responsibility so as a positive populist i could understand the problems that if this symbiosis fault i am here to fix everything at the snap of a finger versus me that is the only time i was a boring candidate it is interesting because being governor was a disadvantage because i was not willing to do things to get attention. This is the time the crazier this stuff television. Who looking and not the media just because he is not crazy. Date number of allied i will tear up the deal. What do you think john . We cannot predict the picture but i was boring. There is a lot of candidates doing this not just donald trump. Retry to solve problems for every betty. But in some respect i dont want to make false promises all the habits of reputation. Then negative path was down and i feel for these people but there is no . Fix this is something we will face with the digital revolution the number one occupation in america are drivers in with the creation of Autonomous Vehicles they will not be driving so what do we do . With intel they are taken out of their job bin what will they do if they dont have the skills . That is the failure of our educational system. You talk about learning about trump winning trump and sanders herbal sides of the same point they didnt care if the person they supported could do that but just that this said they would do something do you think congress has learned its lesson . I faint congress is so dysfunctional. Youll notice having to work with the legislature we gerrymander but then people seek information and to reinforce their views and now if you are a republican in a safe district if you could take all kinds of risks but night after what the primary from the right to or from the Left Congress goes like this by the way those who gave the bowling can and now watch Cable Television now they are demanding of their representative and compromise is the worst thing they could never do to Say Something nice about donald trump . That was not stood for. So we have this polarization and it is a big problem. With the digital revolution people are going to sites to where they believe that is the challenge probably get them out of their comfort zone . What i think has to happen, i read it and then your times coleman was afraid there would be right fighting with one another about politics one of my boyfriend at point of friends says he cannot talk to his father always to shout i dont even gold there anymore. We know that you and friend somebody on facebook if they Say Something that you dont like. Somethings that polis together is the drug problem the d. A. Told me the old way to win is education starting very young may have those that work to spread that message i believe in mentoring programs that is not republican or democrat it is human somebody who lives in in your neighborhood who lost their spouse we all have to pitch in to help somebody like that. As we begin to Work Together we will learn to communicate then to send a message to the leaders to not get off. If you think about United Airlines all of us to fly on airplanes cb will not put up with this so the movement is coming bottom up. And then they tell the politicians to knock it off. This is ben happening. What i found encouraging was the march for science but this is what we have to support. Particularly in this country but it brought republicans and democrats together it wasnt Just One Party there was some kind concerns and epa but i think the activism is good but we cannot tissue what based on what we think i saw some of the interviews with the march on science and french to came here is a very conservative republican to march with his daughter and wore a great tshirt with that activism is positive not just because we hate somebody else. Finally the scientist were getting a voice it was a sign from new zealand what do we want . Fact based science and peer review. [laughter] better recent poll from harvard and the thing that i found surprising of the kids who responded wanted to unite america and that is what we needed to do but to say that only 21 percent thought politics was the way to do that but at the end of the day i do not blame them. Here is what i can be part of so now they can develop but friendships and communication and brief fight and argue that become buddies then we laugh on the other side then we get serious and people could migrate. The majority want to do community service. What about government sponsored programs to encourage this type of thing . Igo backandforth. We do have some programs like that but what if we require some Public Service over a year . Have been thinking about that because it brings people of my differs background with the military they have to integrate instead the desegregate people of different backgrounds and races with Family Income they come together and learn to get along. I would think about it. I have been thinking about that for a while if you are required to do some form of Public Service i think it would be enormously good countries like israel that is smaller it is easier to do but it is a positive way to get these young people to find their way. They saw their parents chase the almighty dollar there is nothing wrong with the dollar but i see them, i just dont want that to a one something more meaningful and that. And theyre more open to ideas. I think. There more objective. What is your greatest take away from the campaign . I will tell you what i learned we believe in deregulation is a given but in my opinion they wanted to believe that somebody cared about them. It was more of the horrendous all than of the head. But in the course of swimming christie i dropped my phone in the Swimming Pool and went to the for rise in store and they made me wait a couple of hours they give me the phone what do i owe you they said it is for e we made you wait too long for our was flabbergasted been kidding me . She said last week a woman can hear whether smart phone we have done something to break that and we fixed it we give it back to her and she said what do i owe you i said you dont always anything and she said the woman started to cry and get emotional nobody treats anybody like that anymore. This is part of the issue to put ourselves in other peoples shoes. People wanted somebody to celebrate their victory and understand their pain. Slowdown. I moved so fast but i reminded from time to time to slow down. This is very unusual for television i happen to beat a christian i was reading about jesus but he would only slow down when somebody needed something. And there is a commentary that said if he could slow down the white cant you . Absolutely. Just take one more minute to i am not a good at it but i try. That is what people want in the eye and smile and attention to not let them think they are all alone. How do we get back to that . And the fear factors that creates us separation what can we do with our administration . Started the governors courage awards he is helping people trying to get back to work gave him an award also a judge instead of locking them up got to the root cause those that had Human Trafficking to do rehabilitation to get their lives together by wife has been very involved to support that program because sometimes judges are worried they are called soft on crime. Did think he connected with people more than the letters he was driving a bus on a bridge saw a woman getting ready to jump off and stopped in traffic walked over to distract her and said i think you need a hug in the process the police came to save her life they had a camera on the bus and a film went viral i gave him the courage award he was just a bus driver that is an important person but we have to honor these people who say i will work at this it will not happen overnight is ground up to you count on those politicians in washington . I dont. We thought over time we could see those great peters emerging whether i am in or out. Qsr of part of that but you use the example in the book of the Holocaust Memorial. How if you keep us something is important go into more depth. With a holocaust celebration at the Capitol Square they come in and Say Somethings and i thought to myself we should be thinking a lot this issue understand what the holocaust was what happens when evil takes over so i get to speak the wheel of a Holocaust Memorial here in the capital and said you cannot do that. So why dont i buildup on the ground . That was the multiyear process to push that through. If that is an incredible memorial and last week the ymca group came eighth through 12th grade they asked if i would go talk to them the wanted to do one more big thing in ohio before a left but during that course of restocking a kid fainted. So we walked from the state house to the holocaust were real and talked to the kids with the memorial was all about and said dillon read what happened and understand. If you save one life you save the world because of you believe then something 04 it. You got to the point youre willing to give up big things because it violated your principals. Why do you think i like you . [laughter] host one of the lessons we have learned when i was at the Governors Association it didnt matter but now that is much more political. Yes disinfected between the governors im not even a member because i dont go to the meetings when nothing gets done by tried to do some with democratic governors on health care we will see how far i can go because we do need reform we just cannot cut people off for unfortunately it is more political. It is the shame i was happy when i went go public comeback with a list so what sea how we make that work in new jersey. And telling you the stories today but the first time i met dan maloney i was in the white house with the obama and we sat together and it wasnt very pleasant. [laughter] i saw him another time but we went to the inauguration and sat next to one another and started to rain and he gave me his raincoat. He said i dont want you to get what governor. Im telling the story. Somebody is listening able to believe thank you for the raincoat. But that is what we need to have it is a like everybody wants to fight we just have to honor those. With those problems solvers but we the people have to support those who were willing to take on leadership and a love my party but i love my country more. Also im not supporting any more candidates if they will not be positive. If theyre going to be divisive or negative or down in the ditch. Host you did not run in negative campaign and neither did i. But did you have any standards . I think it is okay to defend your record but sliming people actually there were some ads that went up by the super pac that i cannot control but i did not like them but never do an interview to satellite that so it is of little different now were at the tail end of our careers. But i think we have conducted ourselves well. You talk about how you were brought up the want to discuss that . Been a mother has a lot of the traits that i have and you have to tell it like this is. You are a fine lady of another was Something Else god bless her in sheet saw something she did not like she would speak out she would say johnny tell it like it is and there is that element why i would call myself a populist republican a book by read in college to understand president s look at their mothers and fathers who gave you your drive . It was both. My father was a postman he knew everybody with a nice smile on his face it was a combination of both early i was more strident now liable little more settled them. And your desk and chairs, maybe this is the job to for me. What do you do can. [laughter] and he said, well, i have academic responsibilities and fundraising responsibilities, but tomorrow im going to go down and see president nixon. I said, do you think i could go with you . And he said, no. I said, if you write a letter, would you give it to the president . He said, i guess i could do that. I went back to my dorm and wrote a letter, gave it to the president of the university. He carried the letter to washington, and i wrote, p. S. , if you want to discuss this further, let me know. So a couple weeks later i get a letter back from the white house, and it was from the president , and he invited me to the oval office to have a chat with him. And i called home, and i said, mom, im going to need an airline ticket, the president of the United States would like to have a meeting with me in the oval office, and my mom was shouting, honey, pick up the phone, theres something wrong with my kid. [laughter] i did get to meet president nixon. They gave me five minutes, i spent 20 there, and that was just an unbelievable thing to happen in my life. I dont think most things happen by accident. I think things tend to happen on purpose, and when good things happen, you know, im a work in progress, governor, but when good things happen, youve got to just be appreciative of them and dont, you know, a lot of good things have happened to me in my lifetime, and i really appreciate the fact that ive had a podium, an opportunity to speak. And this is my fourth book. And, i mean, its really cool. I mean, people say what are you proud of . I mean, my daughters, my marriage and all that, but, i mean, this is like, ive written four books. I cant believe it, you know . [laughter] host thats a lot of work, believe me, i know. Guest yeah. Hopefully this ones going to do well. Why do i feel strongly . Because i think people can pick something up from this book, you know . They can learn from it. I think its a good one. Im really happy about it. Host i think it its a goode too. Faith is important to you, your religion. How awkward or how comfortable were you talking about it on the campaign trail, and what was peoples reaction . Guest well, heres the thing, heres the thing. In 1987 when i was a little boy, i was always worried when my father went to pick my mother up at her job in downtown pittsburgh, that they would not come back. Because they would go on a dangerous road. And then i got to be 35 years old, i guess it was, i was 35, and i got a call at 11 45 at night, and the doctor said, i have terrible knew, your fathers dead and your mothers going to die. And i got to pittsburgh that night. The girl i was going with drove me there. And i went into the hospital, and my mother never regained consciousness, and there was a young minister in there. And he started telling me about faith, and i said, look, man he goes, im so sorry. Im so sorry, i said, you dont have a clue. I started yelling at this guy. And over the next couple weeks, he started asking me about my position visavis the big guy. And he said to me one day, he said, john, you dont understand. You are going to heal, but you have a window of opportunity. Why dont you go and figure out what you really think. And as a young man, id gone through the religious motions and maybe even felt inspired at times, and it was very legitimate. But i drifted away. So i Read Everything i could. I disrupted more religious studies groups than you can even imagine. And 30 years later and on the way, ive concluded that there is a god, that he cares about me and that hes transcendent. And heres the thing where i think religions gone wrong. First of all, youve got religious leaders that play politics. You shouldnt be endorsing candidates. This is nonsense. Secondly, a hot of them preach, you know a lot of them preach, you know, whos sleeping with who and all that other stuff. What i care about, love god which brings about humility, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. To me, religion is about hope, a second chance, its about grace. Its a chance to brush yourself off and start anew. So i talk about it, and i think, you know, if i know theres somebody that really cares about me whos transcendent and i know a little bit of whats expected of me, i have a little better chance of hitting the mark instead of wandering around in the woods without a compass. Im not shoving this down anybodys throats. Its my gift to people. Just check it out. If you dont like it, fibro. Its no sweat off me. I just i just want to let you kw what i found. It doesnt take away all the pain or make life easy, but it does give you perspective. I am convinced that in a mature society, theres a tendency for man to put himself on the throne and to take god off the throne, and that process we become selfabsorbed, and we lose our objectivity. And all of a sudden, it is a subjective judgment about proper behavior. And i dont buy that. And if youre a humanist, you want to heal the world, and that is consistent with those people who practice faith. So people dont look, i dont have any problem with people. I wrote a book about this. It was a bestseller. Its fine. But im not into all this, you know, youre going to hell and all that. Thats not where i live. Host thats good, im glad. Because otherwise id be really troubled. Guest well, you know, you like to play golf. So if i said im going to tell you about golf. So, you know, theres sand traps, and theres water hazards, and if you move the ball, its a penalty. So lets go play, isnt this great . Or if i say, hey, golf is about the outdoors, its the ball against the horizon, its the comradeship, all of a sudden you go, i might want to try that. Host yeah. Thats absolutely right. Guest so we should not sell the rules of religion, we should sell the hope of it. And thats what i try to do a little bit. Host you certainly do in the book, and i think its a powerful message. As you say, you can take it or leave it, its up to you as to how you think about it. But its troubling to see how many im with you religious leaders kind of impose themselves into the political process. And that just taints it all, it seems. Guest yeah. I mean, what are they doing . Their job is to feed the hungry is and clothe the poor. They spend their time now, they can give us, you know, i think of Martin Luther, he said its up the those people in religion to give values x its up to the people to decide who their leaders ought to be. Its not up to the what are these people in the cloth picking our leaders . Thats not their job. Now, a lot of them arent going to like what im saying, but you know what . Just think about what i said. Host no, i its pretty clear. What do you think, now that theres been some time to reflect on the campaign, how do you think your daughters, what have they taken away from it . I know you end the book with a letter to them, but guest but the letter from my daughter, reese, to me which is right before that, its really pretty incredible. I was telling them that a lot of the republicans were mad at me and all that, and she quoted dr. Seuss and said, you know, for those that care for those that matter, they dont care about my position, and those who care dont matter. I mean, it was like, its an astounding and stunning email that my daughter sent to me. My daughters, one of my daughters is more interested in politics than the other one. Shes a little liberal. And i say now, reese, look, if you ever run for office, youve got a good name, okay . You cant be way out here, because youre going to have to be republican. My daughter, emma, is shes just, its not, politics is not her thing, but she told her mother, she said, you know, mom, its not so bad that reese is a feminist, but what i really dont like is shes a liberal too. [laughter] so they are starting to understand politics. And we dont talk about it really at home. I mean, we dont this is not what we talk about. I dont talk to my wife really about this unless i have a, you know, something thats really bothering me. I leave that at the door. And shes very insistent that i dont go in the house with my phone and keep being distracted. But theyre great. And, you know, i love them, and theyport me and all is they support me and all is good. Host what have you done, i mean, i found when i was governor one of the things i insisted on was john and i would go away with the kids for a week, doing something wed never done before hire a van and go around the parks, learn how to kayak or Mountain Biking guest yeah. Host just very just to have that time when all four of us were together. How did you balance the responsibilities of governor and the family . Guest you know, ive not found the job to be, like, complicatedly hard. I mean, at moments its tough, but if youre not playing politics, you kind of host but its demanding. Guest it is, no question. Sometimes i take them with me on things, and its really cool. When i went to atlanta on Martin Luther king day, i took reese. My wife and i just celebrated our wedding anniversary. We went away and left the kids at home with somebody to watch over them. And then, you know, by christmas we already have a place were going to to stay down in florida. Were excited about that. And we eat dinner a lot together. I mean, we do. Dinner doesnt last long, but were all there. And i have a little bit of something ive got to take care of when i get home, but all in all [laughter] its good. Kids are welladjusted, my wife is fine. I think what shes concerned about is in 18 months i wont have this job, and then im going to be around a lot more. Host uhhuh. Guest and i think shes concerned about that. [laughter] host i dont think shes going to have to worry somehow. Guest thats probably right. But, you know, the family thing is really important. You dont want to be successful and ignore your kids. Its not good, or your spouse, right. Host no. Thats the one title guest by the way, we stayed in our home. We never move today the governors mansion, residence or whatever. Now that theyre 17 and theyre really beautiful and smart girls, maybe i should be host maybe you should, yeah. Guest we have a state trooper that sits out of our house. And i was saying to my wife, why arent there more kids coming over here . She said, john, how many boys want to come where theres a state trooper sitting in to our driveway host with a gun. Guest exactly right. [laughter] host yes, i know well. Guest but thats normal, right . Host theyve covered for my kids on occasion. Guest you know, i live a very normal life. I mean, i, i go to the grocery people see me in the Grocery Store oh, you go to the Grocery Store, yeah. Host how else am i going to get groceries . Guest i play golf at a club where people are swimming, i go to the Swimming Pool. Im around town, so im not really kind of isolated. I live a normal, pretty normal life, and i think thats been really healthy for our family. Host sure. Did you do a lot of trade missions as governor . Guest no. Host did you guest i have, i did, i just went to the conference in munich with john mccain. And in that course, i met Business Leaders in germany and also in london. Im probably going to do some more, but i dont want the just go and do something if its not going to make sense and i cant have some success. Host sure. Guest its interesting i havent done it, but i think over the next year and a half, ill probably do a little more. Host in the course of the president ial campaign, did you spend how much time did you spend bringing yourself uptodate on whats happening. Guest oh, every day. Each on this book tour im on the phone yesterday for a long time with staff, ill be on the phone, you know, after i leave here. I stay in constant communication. And theyre very good at, you know, reaching out and telling me. And i did a lot of work before i left for this trip. For the year or so that i was gone, i would sneak back as often as i could. I would get back as often as i could. But, you know, the phone is an amazing thing, you know . And i tell people, actually phones can connect from wherever you are to wherever they are. No, you have to stay on top of it because i had to run the government, and being the governor is always the number one priority. You know that. Host without question. Its an interesting juxtaposition trying to do that balance, as youre running for president , there are broader issues that you dont have to worry about so much as a governor; the international scene. But tell me a little bit and dive a little bit into your experience as a congressman. You know, you were responsible for some pretty major pieces of legislation. Guest i also was on the Defense Committee for host yeah. Thats what i was going to ask. Guest most people dont know that. Host tell me a little bit more about how that helped inform you, particularly in the president ial race, because it would seem to me a lot of, you brought a lot of that to that race. Guest i was very comfortable on the international scene. I served on the Armed Services committee for the 18 years i was there. And for the first, i think it was like six years, it was the only committee i served on. And in that role, you know, i went to the soviet union before the wall came down, i went to saudi arabia before the gulf war to visit troops, obviously. I was in i went to many places. I went to africa. That was a little different purpose, but i was there. I also as a part of national security, you know, i became friends with bono, and we started to try and figure out how i to help in africa that would help leverage who we are and help show people who we are. I went places, you know, i went that i went to panama, places where it made a difference for me to go. So being on the Armed Services committee howed me to look at the world and the threat and develop the way i think about how we intervene, where we dont intervene. The interesting thing is i was 30 years old, i guess it was. I was elected in 1982. And in 1983, i cast my first Foreign Policy vote, and i voted against u. S. Troops in lebanon. Host really . Guest and reagan was the president , and i opposed him. And there were only a handful. And it was about a month or two after that where our barracks were blown up, and i learned a valuable lesson about being in the middle of civil wars. I dont like it. So so that was a great, great opportunity to learn about the side of the country that, i mean, i didnt want to go on any other committees. I wanted to focus on that, and i learned an enormous amount. And i got to work with some of the greatest people. Barry goldwater, john stennis, these are people that young people wont know. Gary hart, sam nunn. I mean, all these great folks. And in the house, people who had served in world war ii who were amazing people, conservative democrats who i loved or les aspen, secretary of defense, he was a brilliant defense thinker. Host oh, sure. Guest and it was a time when republicans and democrats, there was no difference because we were all out to defeat the communists. Host all out to do the right thing. Guest and we did. Host and then you had the other side of it, too, when you did the budget. Guest and i understood pentagon reform. I took the whole thing again, i was kind of an iconoclast because i was one of the people that found the hammers, screwdrivers and wrenches that cost tens of thousands of dollars, and i said we should reform the pentagon as we reformed the welfare system. You werent supposed to say that. [laughter] and then i worked with a liberal democrat to reduce the procurement of the b2 bomber which i thought we didnt really need in the middle of a nuclear war. And its job was to fly in the soviet union and drop bombs and i said we dont need that many planes to do that. So i wanted to build standoff weapons, and that was a big fight. And we limited production. And that carried over to my work on the budget committee. And there was an incident where i wanted to come and control the growth of pentagon spending, and i was in a meeting with the leadership, and somebody accused me of being a traitor to the country. Host really . Guest and i dont know whatever possessed me, but i looked at him, and i said, you dont have to call. He looked at me and said, what do you mean . I said, oh, youre already forgiven. I know youre going to want to call me in the middle of the night and call me, youre already forgiven. Might have been one of the best things the whole room justin stopped. It just went dead still, you know, which was really cool. Host thats terrific. Thats one of those few times guest so let me ask you a question. So when you were governor and then decided to go to the epa, was that a hard decision for you, to leave new jersey . Host it was and it wasnt. It was my last year, i was termed out. And in new jersey because the governor has so much power, constitutionally its one of the most powerful, everybody nobody cares what youre doing. They just are looking at whos going to be the next governor. Guest yeah. Host so what youre doing is locking in your legacy which i should have stayed around and done a little bit more of. But its awful hard when a president elect calls well, he didnt call. The Vice President elect called. Epa was not my first choice guest what would you have liked to have done . Host to have gone to the United Nations or commerce. I figured i could do more. Id done a lot of International Work as governor, and i thought i could be helpful there. That was promised, and im prochoice, and the United Nations gives money to programs that help women make decisions on how to use their bodies, so that wasnt going to work. But epa is an important position, and i learned a lot there and came to respect the men and women who work there and work is to hard and, of course, was there for 9 11 which was really, really challenging. And then the challenger and the anthrax. Nobody remembers that guest oh, yeah. Host and cleaning up that Senate Hart Office building. So it was good, but it was tough to leave new jersey. Guest so when you think today, you know, im back in my old role as a tv host, i want to ask you when you hear about the issue of Climate Change and the environment, what goes through your mind, you know . It seems as though its a controversial subject. Maybe less so now, but how do you host i think its more so now. Guest you think its more controversial now. Host right. It boggles my mind that republicans are responding the way they are, because its such a republican issue. First of all, conservation. It starts with conservative. And if you look at the first president to et aside public land was abraham lincoln. We all know Teddy Roosevelt and what he did with the National Park service, and we know it was Richard Nixon who established the Environmental Protection Agency Working with a democrat congress, back to your point of people working together. And the interesting thing is if we remember back none of the audience will remember back to 1970, but in 69, 70, we had antivietnam riots on our college campuses, kids killed, cities burning up because of race riots, and it wasnt because congress thought, gee, we have Nothing Better to do, lets go after the environment, it was because the public said, enough. We dont like rivers spontaneously come busting, thats ohio guest heres a perfect example of, again, bottomup pushing. Host absolutely. But thats to your point. People have got to get engaged that way. You know, one thing i wanted to ask you before we finish is youve been flat out, youve been running, its been tough and youve been writing a book. Have you had time to read much, and what kind of books attract your attention . What have you been guest yeah. Well, i just finished a great book called the boys in the boat. Host oh, isnt that wonderful . Its fabulous. So much in that. Guest its a great book. And now im reading the guns of august, with barring rah tuchman about world war i. Youd have thought id have read that book. And i read a fiction book that i thought was terrific, recommended to me by joel clime, its called all the light you cannot see, and that is another amazing book. Another very good book. Guest yeah, i do read. And i read a lot of, frankly, spiritual philosophy. But my wife reads almost one book a week. Host really . Guest and she just finished the book roosevelts last battle. Host oh, yes. Guest im so proud of her. She is a voracious reader. And shell give me the things she thinks i would really enjoy. So what i do, i absorb a lot of information every day with my ipad. And i read magazines too, you know . I mean, i wish the new yorker stories could be longer. What are you, kidding . Host yes, exactly, are you sure . Guest are you kidding me . But i ab orb a lot of information absorb a lot of information. But i probably do a lot more reading. I do love whats better than a host i have two for you. Guest okay. Host one is called three days in january, and its about the transition between eisenhower and kennedy. And the thing that makes that book so powerful to me right now particularly isizingen hours concern, Nuclear Weapons were an issue, cuban missile crisis was happened right after that transition. And his concern about insuring that you had civilian control over the military. Guest yeah. Host from a threestar fivestar general, i mean. Guest right. Host theres a lot that translates. And the other is called ikes gamble, and its the time of the suez crisis and the first time that we really got involved in the middle east. And the mistakes that we made. And they were big mistakes. Theyre very informational books. But i wanted to ask you, okay guest let me give you one more that i read that i think was one of the best books ive read in a long, long time, and thats David Mcculloughs book on the wright brothers. Host yes, yes. Guest mccullough host oh, hes wonderful. Guest hes just a genius. So all these people from North Carolina, you know, kittyhawk, all you had was a bunch of sand and wind. Host right. And an idea. Guest created the airplane in ohio, so just remember that. [laughter] National Title or not. We claim aviation, not you, okay . [laughter] host youre going to get some pushback on that. Guest thats okay. Host but anyway, no, i was going the ask you, what newspapers do you read . Guest i read, well, i read the new york times, i read usa today, i read the wall street journal. I look at times at the atlantic magazine, sometimes i will look at, at the daily beast. I mean, i read a whole panoply. And then i get clips sent to me. And ill look at the cbs, the cnn, the fox news web sites. I read the bbc. Finish its a lot of stuff im going host its a lot of stuff. Guest yeah, the bbc, but i also really like to look at the information on the golf channel. [laughter] host did you watch condi rices interview guest i havent seen it, but i was just so happy and fascinated by the victory of Sergio Garcia host yes. Guest at the masters. And, you know, it was a remarkable, remarkable victory. And condy, of course, a member down there. I notice shes never invited me to play golf host she might get the hint now. Guest so i walked in here with a guy from spain, and i congratulated him on sergios victory, and he was really happy. And i said there was a great golfer named seve buy structure process, and i said, sir, you know, he fourputted one time on the green, and they asked him how did he manage, and seve said i miss, i miss, i miss, i make. [laughter] host well, i have to ask you then something on that. Do you think dont you let me put it another way. Dont you think that the pga and the lpga has to do something about people who second guess from watching . Guest that is absurd host okay, maybe she didnt get the ball exactly right guest christy, this girl, this Lexie Thompson has got more now, as bad as it was that she. Didnt win that tournament, shes almost now a household word. Host oh, i know. Guest this is unbelievable that somebody is looking at the thing that was like that, you know host what camera did they have . Guest you know what people are saying now, theres almost a revolution in the golf world, theyre beginning to say who was it that called . We want full transparency. Its the dumbest thing. Look, they will ruin the game if they dont the rules are really critical, but lets not, lets not do that. Host you cant do second guess the next day guest i tweeted on this. Host those two extra strokes the next day for signing the wrong card when that was the day before, nobody knew. Guest i tweeted that i saw a foul in the North Carolina game as i reviewed my tape, and they need to play the game over. [laughter] anyway, well lose them all if we keep talking. Host thats true. We better be careful. Still, its just very frustrating. Theres so much good with the internet, and yet the potential more abuse is so great. We dont want to regulate, but how do we, how do we guest well, its hard because somebody told me today, there was fake news put out about me. An article from over in europe. I saw it and laughed, it was so outrageous. And then i found out somebody added it to wikipedia. I just heard this a couple hours ago. Host really . Guest we need to go and take it down and correct it. Yeah, people can do hit jobs on you, and thats why i hope people will be discerning when they read. Host well, its a good way to get through, but its a challenge now. And people get so much information, and as we said before, its getting people out of the comfort zone. Im with you, and you read if you read the new york times, read the wall street journal. Guest yes. Host if you watch fox news be, watch msnbc or i like, im with you, i like the bbc as the most sort of in the middle. But the truth is somewhere in the middle of those things. Guest thats right. Host and thats what people have to get to, but that requires thinking. Guest it also says that now were beginning to see people who are fighting back online against stories that are not true. So now theres an act risk group host which is right. Guest to try to set the record straight. I havent seen too much about it; but i did see a couple articles. Host good, thats good to know. Guest yes. Host and one of the hardest things University Professors have to do is teach kids about plagiarism because they take it off the internet, and they figure i dont have to cite this, because its on the internet. And also believing everything they get from wikipedia or any one of those sites. Guest you know, one we have, i guess, probably have just a few minutes left. One area i want to talk about is our Education Systems k1 and higher ed k12 and higher ed, if they dont get their act together and start educating people with the skills for the jobs of the future, theyre going to be disintermediated, and there is going to be a technological solution to giving people skills to fit the kind of things that they have passions for. And right now our Education System is operating based on 900year 100yearago philosophy. And our universities cost too much. Theres not enough being done to rein in the cost to get them back to their core function. Im very concerned about this because this revolution is coming. As i mentioned earlier about the striving, about the use of accept sr. S, artificial intelligence, there are going to be people who would be in the Insurance Industry or even the Financial Services industry who will lose their jobs because of artificial intelligence. We see these commercials weedson, you know, with edison on, is that at t . You know, where they give an answer. Host edison from new jersey. Guest yeah, this is the well host thomas edison. Guest yes, but born in ohio. [laughter] host well, you see, we have were joined. Guest yes, we are. Were joined at the hip. Host well, we have to wrap up, and i just want to thank you. Its been fun. Guest great. Great to see you. I hope our viewers found it interesting. Host well, read the book. The book is excellent, read it. Guest thank you. Cspan, where history up folds daily unfolds daily. In 1979, cspan was created as a Public Service by americas Cable Television companies and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. [inaudible conversations] good evening. Im not sure the microphone is on. Can you hear me . Well, excuse me. You can . Okay, great. Good evening. My name
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