We meaning that we cant get to you guys, its not easy to get to you guys. And you guys came to us, and they didnt expect us to do a system that is the Education System today, that is its not or more us. Its not going to work. You expect us to get through that before we are able to use our creativity which a lot of us are aching to do, you know . But speaking from the area of the world that im calling you from right now, its very much like a plantation here. Host trey caller very hard to get out. Host tell us about yourself. Caller im born homeless in 1993. Theres a lot of reasons for me not to be here right now, and thats why right now its a very powerful moment just because theres no separation between me being able to speak to a stokely carmichael. Theres no separation in me being able to speak to a dr. King, an ella baker than the feeling i have right now speaking to you, professor joseph. Because as i know them, you know themment those people, those spirits, the message they left behind for us to make our own is just is as powerful as era of the 60s was. Host what are you doing today . Caller what am i doing to do . Im going to go into work in a couple of hours at a service job that, you know, thats just, you know host are you in school . Caller i would like host i am in school. I go to fresno city college, and theyre all professors like the brilliant mr. Joseph there, but theyre sprinkled about, peppered about. Its hard to come across them consistently because of the, you know, the inherent problems in the School System that its just been the very basic structure of it that streps the good people, the good, beautiful spirits like joseph. It stretches you thin. You exist, but the system because of the foundation of what its there for, those schools werent adequate and during snccs days are the same reason our schools arent adequate today, and our creative abilities are being suppressed. Host all right, trey, we appreciate your calling in. Professor joseph. Guest yeah with. I think the whole idea of education and sort of reaching out to people where theyre at is absolutely important. One of the things ive tried to do as a teacher and as a activist, as a scholar is really reach as wide of an audience as possible and really write in a way thats as accessible as possible so that you can reach people, right . So i do a lot of Community Work many boston and this in boston and in surrounding areas, and i think that one of the things we have to do in terms of education those of us who are in high or education and have all this relative privilege even though, yes, it can spread ourselves thin, i but really reach as many people as possible. So we can reach somebody like trey. And theres so many brilliant young people like him who are not being given the opportunity. And they are hungry for affirmation beyond the narrow outlines of our contemporary society where we are told we have to get rich, we have to tow a specific line to be famous, and were not hearing for social political justice unless its done in a way that the mainstream accepts. So i think its very important for all of us who have access to really reach out. And i think that in terms of education, you mentioned ella baker, you mentioned these folks. One other person we havent mentioned today is sept amc clark, and its manager that shes one of the leading educators born to a haitian mother in 1898 of the whole civil rights period. Highlander folk school in tennessee that trained activists, that trained organizers. These are the folks who really helped transform america in a resisting america, right . And that resistance continues, so we should not be surprised at that resistance because its always been part of, a thread, part of the fabric of our society. Host this email is from oakland, california. Its from elvin brown. Im from oakland, do you think genderfication is changing in communities . Guest weve seen that both in washington, d. C. And i go back to d. C. 20 years. New york city from im from, harlem, you think about u street, there were times when i was a young man in graduate school i would walk down u street, and i would never see a white face. And its completely different now. And, you know, you noted harlem is the same way. I just was at apollo speaking at an mlk event a couple of months ago, and i remember walking through the streets of harlem and never seeing any white people, and now, you know, i see a bunch of white peoplement and the positives of that are Economic Development and lets try to get racial integration and harmony, but the negatives are and this happens in brooklyn, new york, fort green as well which i go back a long way with is removing and the forced displacement of poor black people. People who are poor, but it doesnt mean that theyre ignorant. People who lack formal education, but it doesnt mean theyre uneducated. These are people who are the so socalled salt of the earth types. These are people in beauty shops and barbershops who take care of their children, who go to church, some are atheists, some are secular or who are really part of this american story. But when it come to gentry gentrification, what it does is lock them out of opportunity, right . So what you want is a gentrified community where you finally, you know, brooklyn brownstones where black, white, latino are mixing side by side but not that were just displacing poor people who cant afford a brownstone that costs one or two million dollars, or they cant afford a condominium that costs 800,000. So i think gentrifications having a real impact. Because urban america is being revitalized at the same time in the 60s we called it negro removal instead of urban renewal. Host the first book that Peniel Joseph wrote came out in 2006, waiting til the midnight hour. Dark days, bright nights came out in 2014 and stokely a life, brand new, hot off the presses, and it is booktvs Book Club Selection for the month of march, 2014. Booktv. Org up there in the top theres a tab that says book club. Just click on that, and you can participate in our discussion throughout the month. Peniel joseph, thanks for being on booktv. Guest thank you for having me