New effort by the administration voter integrity. Good morning, sir. The technical term is president ial Advisory Commission election integrity. Tell us about the purpose. Guest so this was something the ordered after the last years election, of course, and forth you saw between him and democrats over he popular vote versus the Electoral College tally. The president seemingly upset didnt beat mrs. Clinton in the National Popular vote of y opposed to number tweets suggesting and saying that there were a number of votes cast, fraudulent votes cast and believe there fraudulent votes cast he would have topped mrs. Votes n if the fraudulent hadnt been counted. He would have topped in the popular vote. Over voter fraud and voter access to the polls and on forlot has been going years and intensified in the last few years, though, with state Legislature Making move to impose new some others say tions, just tests, i guess, of voter i. D. , actual showing i. D. At the i. D. Or some other photo so the president essentially that debate to next step of ordering this commission, name, as you recounted i integrity voter commission, creating the commission and asking it to go and evaluate chiefly to evaluate that issue of voter fraud, the extent to which voter fraud elections andican what effect it may be having on actual outcome of election, but ask the commission to investigate that other side, beside the democrats want to see barriers to folks exercising the right to vote. Ost before we go further, any evidence about the claims that ended up in the popular vote . So, there is there are a lot of academics who come generally academics come down on the side of no widespread evidence of voter sort of the term you will hear from that side, there are absolutely studies on the other that suggest that hundreds of thousands, one Study Suggests and polling ling suggest that perhaps 800,000 inelvisible voters may have cast ballots in last years election. Models, polling and modeling based on a bunch of different factors. The main issue and this is one reason why the president create third degree commission, there been a national systematic look with somebody ho had access to the sorts of tools and databases that could get at this question. That is what this commission was be, they are running into early trouble, getting data to begin the work. Ost that was because request for data that the commission ade to secretary of states across the united states, what is being asked for . Twopage letter sent and ill read, there are points, generally, what laws you have, what sort of policies you have for dealing registration in the first place and for trying to catch voter fraud. It asks each state to recount experience, what they believe voter fraud is an issue at all and the extent of that key part is paragraph, the letter went from chris secretary of state kobac, vice chairman, a has a longin kansas, history with this issue and with immigration issues which makes controversial for folks on the other side of the panel. Hes the vice chairman, the name letter, which may have heightened the controversy of paragraph, the key in order to analyze relation to s in Voter Registration, im requesting to provide Commission Data roll, ilable of full first and last name all registrants, middle name and nitial if available, address, date of birth, political party, social r digits of security number, voter history 2006, active inactive convictions, y Voter Registration in another state, information regarding and overseas s citizen information. Host is this information that otherwise if ined people wanted access to it . Guest that is the big question lurking out there. I asked mr. Kobach about a eek and a half ago when this erupted, i asked him, he said, i dont want to talk about that right now. Off that question. The answer, i dont know whether the commission itself can get let me back up. The commission can get access to some of this information, even states dont want to divulge it, the question depends is. Each states law one thing i suspect well talk about later on, most interesting o me about this is that virginia, for example, governor first ccoliff, maybe the out of the shoot saying, how dare you, our state will not information. S virginia, i have the list here tis called the department of services, ient virginia sells just about all that information they collect. Information virginia does collect that it doesnt ell to a list of potential buyers is Social Security numbers. It absolutely sells date of sells voting history, a sells full name, addresses, lot of information is available for purchase. Ne thing i would be surprised if the Republican National committee or the state Republican Party and state partys, if they dont already have access to had information, the question would are they able to turn it over under the terms of use they have with each state when they information, able to turn over that information. Host Stephen Dinan with times talking about created. Ssion 2027488000 for democrats. For republicans, 2027488001. And independents, 2027488002. Real quick before we jump on the call, what was the reaction to the secretaries of state, how many have said no, were not to provide this information . Guest last we heard from the states on, i believe 14 flat out said, we will not provide any information and then are some that had actively said they will provide information, a number see whatre looking to information under our law we can kobach took ch mr. As matter of interest, they were no, to see what was publicly available and legally able to be provided. Friday, a court hearing, legal challenges to the letter in the courthouse up the street from here, the rkansas had turned over some data as of friday, sort of making this a very real question nd putting pressure on the courts to decide what happens now. This is very technical, but it issue in the court case is whether the commission able to receive and store this data under federal privacy egovernment act and so the fact the information is submitted from one state, that information sitting server army website, the that the commission decided to use to store the data in the eantime with the information sitting there, the judge has a real decision about what to do. Host first call, john in independent line. Youre on with the guest, ahead. N dinan, go caller thank you. I have just a few comments. Hat is, basically, gerrymandering, crosscheck, oter manipulation, Voter Registration. All these things have been only the by not government, but the Political Parties and the main thing is voters, were supposed to towns and their within their counties, within and then they would be counted and then we would won. Who this other manipulation of what swaps, social modification management of human just to gain profit. Let our guest ll respond. Guest he touches on something going on from both sides, the of who is allowed to vote and, you know, what district voting. D up the gerrymandering he was talking about. I mentioned earlier, this has between the democrats and republicans at state level for years over the voter pool and i liken it to a basketball coach referees trying to get future calls going in their irection, the republicans want the strictest possible control to make sure that only the legitimate voters show up to vote. Democrats argue while there are dont have the i. D. The republican legislators are though o be shown even they are legitimate legal is going on debate out there. It is a side, but the caller gerrymandering and there is Good Research going on about the effects of gerrymandering and how much effect that has. The latest research suggested less effect on political and votes than we would think and turns out people themselves are actually moving with likeminded people more than the lines are being the in order to change elections. I should mention the Supreme Court agreed to take up a gerrymandering case in the next term. It will be the first time ever, ly in a while, if the justices will deal with the issue of whether you can draw order to get s in political gain. You cant do it for racial reasons, you cant do it for reasons, but as of right now, you are allowed to do political gerrymandering and the justices will reach that issue this upcoming term. Host carl from los angeles, the democrats line. Caller good morning both of you. To complete our questions before we are cut off, okay . First thing is, on the voter fraud, there is less than onetenth of 1 percent of voter fraud in the united states. That is a proven fact and bei people are being prosecuted for that. Stephen, the amount of states backing out of this, 45 states guy is reporter investigating this coming out with it. The other thing question, get to the please. Caller hey, excuse me. Channel, it is created for the public. Haveuestion is how can you the Washington Examiner on there . Hey are so biassed, it is Washington Times, to begin with, you can take that. Guest the number 45 has been around, 44 or 45, 45 if you include the district of olumbia as state has been floating around, there are a number of headlines that had that number in it. Kobach issued a statement through the white house, that is where he issued the statement correcting that number saying as of that time, 14 states officially rejected it. Gap between that and the 44 or 45 appear to be the rest of looking at what they could legally turn over. You know, this is those numbers old, we dont know an update where things stand from of then, sion, but as the way i look at it, 14 states and you vely resisting had a large chunk of states in the middle looking at what they were doing and according to kobach expressed interest in complying with the commission had certain number of states going to say yeah, we will turn over what we can. The fifth, the commissioner sent out a tatement regarding the number of states resist or release, refused information. States and district of columbia, according to statement released. Cottage, new y york, republican line. Caller thank you. Stephen points, mr. Dinan. I think this commission is a great idea. This controversy has been going a very long time and this should put to rest any controversy, whether there is or not. Youre required to show identification areas, most ther states the voter identification honor system. They dont actually check to see citizenship or not. Many states they say, they dont if youre a system or not. And the point is, when you have country so politically divided and you have so any illegal aliens here and people who are permanent residents, who are not allowed is necessaryink it to make a determination whether notle are voting legally or because this will determine the and if n this country you need identification to get building, to prove who you are, i think this is something that is necessary. Thank you. Caller, thanks. Guest a lot there. That is interesting. The the caller said at beginning, this is a chance to put this to rest. That certainly is the commissions idea, that is what kobach is going in with, that is his point, and i keep mentioning kobach, vice chairman, chairman is the Vice President , kobach, as kansas secretary of state and guy with long with this and filing declaration with the court will end up talking about the most in case. Look, the goal of this commission was exactly what the caller said, to put this to rest. Up finding no voter fraud, they find no voter fraud, barriers to lots of access, they find reverse, they find the reverse, i guess one you hear democrats in particular saying is that they tweets he president s from i guess six, seven months ago at this point, they dont commission can be evenhanded in its investigation so they say they are going to they are looking for, even if it is not really there. National Democratic Committee set up counter commission to look at pecifically voter barriers to voting and both of them, the the president s commission has a meeting on july ish of this month and d. N. C. Planning first panel activities on the same thing. From tyler, texas, essie, go ahead. In texas, good morning. Here in texas, they have redrawn lines a whole gomer that is why we got up there. My thing is, why do we need all this information to be given out in the first place . Years we havent been doing it, when trump got in the white house, everything has and not changing for the better, changing for the worse. Divided now than its ever been. Im going on 65 and voted from age of 18 up. I just dont understand what is now, why is this coming about . Okay. The caller probably already gives all of or most of he information that were talking about here to the state of texas, most voters when you a fairly long ut form that has all of this nformation and in fact one caller earlier mentioned that you dont get asked about citizenship. Are required on that initial to affirm, form testify that you are a citizen, a selfcheck at the beginning of the process for citizenship. Callers point, most information is already given, he gives it to the state of texas. The question is whether you would want to give that information to the state to give to the federal government ask a number of of are wary host there is a website with the commission. Who chooses the members and how are they chosen . Uest they are chosen specifically by the president. That becomes very important for case. Gal this is as the name said, president ial advisory lawmaking , it has no powers, no regulatory powers, it investigationo an and report back findings to the president of who will then with the t to do information, whether to make the report public and sends up to draws up whether he proposed legislation and sends to congress, whether he shelves the and the that matters because the court case i was talking about earlier, one issue there is whether this is an agency that would fall under the laws i was talking earlier such as the egovernment act and the an ission argue its is not agency in that respect, it is an Advisory Commission that reports only to the president , therefore through a e to go umber of these hoops a Regulatory Agency would have to go through. Host Stephen Dinan joining us. Littleton, colorado, mike, good morning. Hello, good morning. I was just more or less alarmed whole thing. I mean, with this president and what hes doing and this being completely nder him, and none of the legislators being on or having commission, in the dont you seem to think this is tyrannical . Were banning muslims, hes ttacking the press, theyre blacking out press conferences, election ed about fraud on an election hes already won, hes campaigning 2020. Isnt this a little scary . I understand Election Fraud is big deal, i feel it was, as a bernie supporter and i alongike Hillary Clinton, with the media, the collusion there, stole that election from sanders and a big reason the democratic party, big reason trump is in the white house with free coverage and the belittling of a true progressive. Caller. Ot you, well leave it there. Guest so i actually dont the study, i id wish i did, a study in the last or so that found voter fraud, turns out to be surprisingly high on the list of of voters and in fact, presumably the caller is a democrat on the spectrum, de of the agree there is a sizeable amount of voter fraud, whatever the actual numbers. Have, we have lots of academic debate, we dont have a very Good National look at the scope of the problem, but voters believe it is a problem democrats, that is a problem, because they have lost that messaging site. Republicans, that was the the academic paper, republicans have won the essaging fight, they have convinced americans or americans convinced themselves, believing long with republicans there is voter fraud out there and are willing to accept things like voter identification in order to cut down on that. So if democrats want to tap down i. D. T and stop voter laws, they will have to change that message. Certainly that is why the proponents or can rters believe, they stymie it, be able to prevent what would be a finding of fraud than we know about. I guess if i can just take a moment here because it is probably worth, and why i keep saying we dont know the extent voter fraud, most Academic Studies that look at this look that victions or charges are filed. Folks on the other side say nobody is out there actively or very few folks are actively looking for fraudulent voters. Unless you have somebody who can go back and look at who turns run the names d against databases such as master Social Security administration keeps, which says that person has died, stop look at em benefit or Homeland Security databases to for legality of citizenship in the country, somebody do ve checks, you dont know the people that show up, what status in, you take their attestation they are citizens. Ne thing the Kobach Commission wanted to do and werent necessarily going to do it they were going to take states and run names from the voter list, run them by two databases in particular we were talking about, master def file and Homeland Security databases and get at how many names shouldnt be on the lists. Now it is basically a selfreporting system, if you show up at the dmv and admit you are not a citizen and we find out you registered earlier, we shouldnt have been on the voter role. It takes selfadmission, nobody get namesy looking to off the roles here. Host from illinois, republican go ahead. Caller like to know one thing, when they give illegal go to nts license to work, why is that if they are illegal, they shouldnt be work were checked. They ask them to vote, if they want to change their vote and card to vote, g that was proven they were illegals voting illegally. Going to change the law and protect the people not the untry, illegals. Guest we actually dont know level of illegal immigrant voting. We we do have a sense for, dont know anywhere near the scope of this, a group of legal interesting d an study out of virginia, got five ears worth of data from the state and looked at it an