clinton and whoever the next president is going to be will be appointing people to the supreme court. we are very concerned, not just about the next four years, but about the next two decades and what happens on the court. that is a large motivating factor for a lot of our supporters. and when you look at what we face now in our country, we have a choice between donald trump and hillary clinton. those are the choices. we know with hillary clinton, we will continue the way things are right now. people are very dissatisfied with what is happening in washington, d.c. they want to see change. the understand that our country is $20 trillion in debt and health care prices are going up. and people participating in the workforce -- it is fewer people participating today than there were eight years ago. do we want more of the same? are you better off now than you were eight years ago? with hillary clinton, we will get more of the same and with donald trump we will get change. host: let us put the phone numbers on the bottom of this green for our guest. -- on the bottom of the screen for our guest. our guest is the chairman of the tea party citizens fund. a nonprofit group. about 1800 chapters claiming about 50 million members around the country. back to your effort -- how much money are you looking to raise? and where do you intend to spend it and how will you spend it? >> we have a budget. most of our funding comes from grass root donors. is $40.age donation thosee sure that we use donations as effectively as we can. right now, we are spending money on the voter database. tohave modeled the data determine who the undecided voters are. especially in pennsylvania, florida, ohio, and north carolina. in pennsylvania, we have 57,000 activists. in florida, 97,000. in ohio, 48,000. and in north carolina, we have 38,000 activists. we can tong all that get out the vote in those states with the activists on the ground. and with the supporters from around the country, they are making phone calls into pennsylvania, florida, ohio, and north carolina. we are doing all we can to help voters in those key swing states understand why we think it is important that we have change in washington and that donald trump will be the change agent. when youyour message go out to talk to people -- is ora pro-donald trump message an antique hillary clinton message or a combination? hillary clinton message or a combination? >> a combination. they think ourf country is on the right path. 64% of americans think our country is on the wrong track right now. we are talking to those people about what can be different and how we can have a better future for ourselves individually in our own lives for our own families and communities and for the nation as a whole. we need to secure our border, balance our budget to pay off the debt, we need to address the health care issues that we have in this country because of obama care and the rising costs of health care and the loss of the choice of our doctors. we need more health care freedom. and overall in washington, we need to end so much of the corruption that we see that has just become part of the status quo. and what so many in washington think is the way of life. host: taking calls now for our guests. a donald trump supporter, walter is calling. caller: thank you for taking my call. good morning. i have one of -- i am one of the deplorables. headld vote for mr. potato over hillary clinton for what she did in benghazi but isn't it interesting that the irs is still doing the same old thing, attacking conservative groups, auditing them, and not giving them their permits or nonprofit organization? youi admire people like when they say -- a tea party activist. how people are labeling people like us to believe in conservative values. and how we are somehow extremists or radicals. party only has racism and -- cry the second ring is that we need more money. i want to support you folks. i think you are doing a great job. keep up the good work. i will be doing my patriotic duty by voting for donald trump. if you could let the american people know about the attack by the irs on organizations like yours, that would be a wonderful thing. i might not agree with what a person says but i will defend their right to say it. god bless you and keep up the good work. you walter and thank you for your service. is not thelorable hard-working men and country are supporting donald trump. are not deplorable as americans. what is truly deplorable is the treatment of the irs and the federal government and the added to the he has towards the rest of us in this country. that is really deplorable. the irs targeted groups like tea nonprofitiots, our organization, and other groups around this country. the targeting amounted to affecting millions of americans lives. they asked very intrusive questions. they did not give us our nonprofit status in a timely manner. by a timely manner, it should have taken three to six monster and it took over three years for us to get our nonprofit status -- three to six months. it took over three years rest to get our nonprofit status. timesday, "the washington ," maybe it was monday, reported that a group in texas is still going through targeting with the irs. hearingost as if the that was held about the ,mpeachment of irs commissioner because nothing happened, the irs is, ok, let's eat on doing what we are doing. that is truly deplorable. we all have the right to free speech. it should be defended. the irs should not be used against us to silence us. it doesn't matter what the irs says. we will continue speaking. buying courage all of you to do that. if any of you have been affected by the irs and you're concerned about it, let us know over at teapartypatriots.org. as far as donald trump goes in the ridiculous statement that noted clinton said about us being deplorable, the attitude in washington is deplorable and that's why we need change in washington, d.c.. host: ray is calling on the hillary clinton line. caller: good morning. young to say hello to the lady who believes that donald trump is the best thing since hot sauce for her. he don't even respect you. you are not a 10. so why do you believe that he is the best thing for you and you believe that you deserve to have? have -- youve to guys don't want to pay taxes. you're not a university. you're not a health care service. you don't take care of anyone. so what makes you think you should pay taxes and you should be relieved of all your duties? host: let's hear from our guest. guest: thanks for calling in this morning. the comments that you just made towards me were far more that -- far more insulting than donald trump has ever said. the fact of the matter is i am not in a beauty pageant. i'm not trying to be. what i'm trying to do is work to balance our federal budget, to bring fiscal responsibility to this country and to have constitutionally limited government so we can all have more personal freedom so we can have economic freedom. that's what i'm working on. i'm not in this for any kind of beauty pageant. athink that we can look donald trump's track record as a businessman and the people who he has employed and the fact that he has employed thousands of women and help them have more economic opportunity as proof that he does care about americans lives. as far as i goes, i think you can look at his business record for that. as far as the irs goes in the nonprofit status that an hour 501(c)(3), and our nonprofit organization is seeking, the way , the way theet up irs code is set up, if you are collecting money from people, you have to report it you are legally required to report it. and we wanted to comply with the law and make sure that everything we were doing is the way that it is supposed to happen legally. we apply for the nonprofit status because that is the way that it's set up to we are not set up to make a profit. we are set up to activate grass-roots individual so they can effect change in our government. -- toer to -- excuse me assemble together and to petition our government, we needed to be able to collect money so that we could afford our website, we could afford e-mail services, we could have permit so we can be in washington, d.c. those things cost money. we were doing everything we could to collect that money improperly reported to the irs. profit.ot making a if we were making a profit, we would be taxed on it. we were a for-profit business, if we made no profit at the end of the time, there would not be a tax on that. we are providing a service. we are helping individuals across this country exercise their first amendment right so they can petition their government. it's with the first amendment is about. the irs tax code is set up so we can report. and we have complied with the law. host: let's get back to the campaign. howard tea party members issues different from -- how art tea parties members' issues different from republican issues? we are going to hold elected officials accountable regardless of their party. office,y are in republican or democrat, if we think they are not doing what they should be doing with our taxes, in the way that they spend our money, then we will hold them accountable. we want limited government. that means we want to find ways to allow people to live their lives the way they want to live it without the government interfering, as long as we are not infringing on the rights of others and as long as we are not harming others. times whatt a lot of we see out of washington, d.c., certainly with the continuing resolution that recently passed, and so much of the spending that happens in washington, d.c., is they just continue to grow government. they are not making any real changes. we can actually balance affect the government, our budget, by just reducing the spending that the government has, simply spending one penny less out of every dollar. one penny less good if they did that for five years in a row, within about five years, we would have a balanced budget. it is really that simple. yet because we point that out and we remind congress of that end we remind our fellow citizens time after time, we get accused of all sorts of terrible things because it's much easier to attack us than to address the problems in washington, d.c. and to find real solutions to them. line from porte charlotte, florida. herer: i just wanted to ask voteomebody -- how can i as an individual for somebody that doesn't release their taxes? was 21en voting since i and i'm 60 now and that just doesn't square with me. thank you. guest: good morning, dawn. i hope you're not being affected by the hurricane. taxes is about the that donald trump says he is under an audit. i know from not being under an ourt, but just from what organization went through from the targeting through the irs and the advice we received from our attorneys, when these things were happening, they were telling us not to release things publicly. even after the targeting had been revealed that we went under, our attorney said don't release these things to the media because the irs can and likely will use things against you. is adhering to the advice of his attorneys. he has many businesses and businesses employ thousands of americans across the country. meant he's got to make sure he is doing what he can to protect the business interest so he can help protect those american jobs and the people who he employs. that is what he is saying is the reason why he is not releasing this taxes. i can understand that from a business perspective. is worth andt he the money that he is spending, you are going to learn far more about that by just going out looking at his campaign financial disclosures. i believe he said it is over 125 pages. so go look at that. it doesn't just show the income and the taxes that he has paid, but his investments, who he owes money to, shows his businesses. so there is a lot more in that then you will find from the taxes. "washington post" a series of editorials. i want to read these and get your response. unchecked and unbalanced is the headline. but you are right that we should be clear, the scope of damage president trump can do can not fully be predicted or imagined. the extent to which democracy depends on leaders adhering to a set of norms and traditions, civic virtues, mr. trump has contempt fors those virtues, norms and traditions grin he despises the press, threatens his enemies, bullies the judiciary, disparages entire religions and nations, makes no distinction between his personal interest and the public good, hides information that should be revealed and routinely trades and falsehoods. handed the immense person -- immense powers of the presidency, what could such a man do? the honest answer, no one can be sure. guest: if you want to talk about unhinged and unchallenged, look at our budget right now. we are $20 trillion in debt. is completely unbalanced. and thes what he can do way people traditionally act, if we look at the way the things are traditionally done in washington, d.c. and the way washington, d.c. has handled things for the past 10, 20, 30 years, what we have seen as an expansion of government, more spending, and more debt. we have people across the country, 64% of americans think we are on the wrong track. what is going to happen under donald trump? we can predict the future. none of us every crystal ball. but we know he said he will secure the border. he will balance the budget. and he will address the real bymies that we are affected with the terrorist threats in this country. now, we have terrorist threats across the country. parents are worried that the kids are going to be attacked at school. people are concerned about what may happen right here on our own soil, not just around the entire world, because of isis and the expansion of that. we are concerned about the debt. we are concerned about being able to get jobs. and were concerned about whether we will actually have a real opportunity in our future. donald trump is going to address that. he is going to allow us all to have better opportunities in our own lives and a better opportunity for the entire country. onto wanda in chattanooga, tennessee, a clinton supporter. good morning, wanda. caller: good morning, c-span. think goodness for you guys. that woman is really afraid to even think of donald trump being in the white house. number one, when it comes to immigration, she would -- he have the mexicans build a wall. it is like having the prisoners build the prisons. i can see the mexican government making money. as far as hillary clinton is concerned, this lady has fought for people all her life. gone to challenge. i've gone to classes and i am able to understand more about our government. they say come if you can't beat them, then join them. she joined them and she beat them. now everyone is trent to make it seem that the things she is doing has not been going on in government for years. today, it stops. and donald trump, everyone knows now that the richer is getting richer and the poor is getting poorer and the ones who are the true losers are the children. host: jenny beth martin. guest: thank you for joining us, wanda. your comments about the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poor, if that is what you truly think is happening in our country, if that is what you really think is happening, do you think it is going to change if we continue what have -- what we have been doing for the past 30 years? if you want that to change, we have to have some a different who is going to approach the problems that we see in our country differently than what we've had repeatedly from the politicians and the elected officials. donald trump is saying that that is what he's want to do. he will bring a fresh perspective, a business perspective to washington, d.c., rather than just the political perspective. the political perspective all too often is go along to get along. and he is saying he wants to help build, rebuild the greatness that america has so that we all have an economic opportunity, not just of that the richer can get richer, but so that we can all have the opportunity to have more wealth in our lives. so that the poorer can get poorer, but so that we all have the opportunity to have more wealth in our lives good more opportunity, individually and for the entire country. if you are really concerned about that, i encourage you, wanda, to think about is doing what we already had, continuing to do that going to address the problem you just named for is someone who is going to bring a fresh approach and change the way things are done in washington, d.c. going to make that difference? host: and we have valley on the line, a donald trump supporter. i not only support donald trump, he's not my second choice. i'm not just supporting him because he's the republican nominee. i wanted him to run in 2012. we waited for this. we support him completely. this country doesn't just need change. it needs a drastic change. and his position on all the key issues are the kind of positions that will make this change happen. me that not one of these hillary supporting calls has talked in any way about all of her corruption and the things that are key in the news right this minute. it completely gets ignored. in the piece you referenced from " or postington journal or whatever it was a few minutes ago, you could have been talking about hillary clinton, not donald trump. and most of the pieces that i've heard referenced on the show this morning have been negative for trump. i think what we need to focus on is what's been happening in this and it willdecades not change unless we get someone in there that can make drastic change happen. host: thank you for calling. guest: i understand exactly what you are talking about and i've talked to thousands of people like you run the country. we are so concerned about what we are seeing at washington, d.c. utter must as if there is contempt for people who are not part of the washington, d.c. bubble. it is very frustrating to us. the corruptions that you mentioned, it's like the people in washington, d.c. want to live above the law and have a different set of laws apply to them than apply to the rest of the country. look at how hillary clinton handled her e-mails and the fact that she had classified information in her private not handledr, was securely and it put american lives at risk. that is a terrible thing. and if any other individual, normal american, had done that with classified information and had the clearance that she had, they would be in a lot of trouble. but she's not. it's -- the laws don't apply to her the way they do to the rest of the country. we can look inside the capital. we see there is the congressional intervention of obama care. if you pointed out to them, they will try to try to find ways to wiggle out of it and say that it isn't true. they have an exemption. they have a different way the laws being applied to them than it is to the rest of the country. and in fact, the senate is claiming that each individual senate office is a small business rather than the fact that they all operate under the same tax id. it's absurd. it's complete corruption and we do need to change that. and i think we will see that change from donald trump. host: jenny beth martin, you mentioned immigration a couple of times in this segment. donald trump has softened his position at all based on you heard in recent re--- recent weeks? guest: it's what i've also heard him say in the debates earlier in the year. he said he is going to build a wall. he said he is going to address the problem with illegal immigration. but first, he is going to secure the border and enforce the laws that are already on the books. that the he has been very consistent with that. i don't think the position has changed from what he said, from what he said earlier in the primary season. host: let me bring a maternity leave. there is a story that said leave tron's maternity proposal gives conservatives in congress some pause. donaldsically -- said trump's maternity leave proposal gives conservatives in congress some pause. what is your take on this issue? think that kind of a decision, as far as the paid maternity leave, i personally am of the opinion you need to have constitutionally limited government. willmeans that businesses be more of these decisions rather than being forced to do these things from washington, d.c. with that said, we will see what donald trump does with that approach. and whatt all pans out actually the regulations would be. once that happens, we can address that individually. host: let's hear from denise in linden, michigan. undecided. caller: i'm going to make this real quick. you talk about despicable's. people adoreot of him. donald trump said that his wife is ugly and that his father was part of the jfk assassination. my last comment is google trump rapes a 13-year-old. we have to stop and see if this is true or not. as is who is going to be president. thank you. host: any thoughts? guest: yeah, as far as what is happening in congress, you can surly see that our organization, tea party patriots, treasure hold both parties accountable. what is happening in congress is , an exampleinuation of what is wrong with washington, d.c. is a goal and to get along mentality. if you are really frustrated with what is going on and watch and 10, with what you are seeing out of congress, and you want change, we need someone at the top who is going to be a leader, who is going to advocate for that kind of change. and that is what we are going to see from donald trump. as far as rumors and innuendo's accusations, i would say we need more evidence of the things you mentioned there at the very end. --t: on twitter, steve asked why didn't you support a more like-minded party? guest: we pulled our supporters across our country. that is how our organization works. making ane endorsement, we polled them, and they said that they wanted us to endorse donald trump your the fact of the matter is we understand, at the end of the day, the choice is going to be between hillary clinton and donald trump. one of the two of them is going to be the next president of the united states. and we want to make sure we have an impact on that decision. hillary clinton will be more of the same. it will be more of what we already have. that is not what we want to see happen in this country. that's why we are supporting donald trump. fire int's hear from louisiana, either clinton supporter. caller: c-span. it amazes me how people can change their beliefs depending on who they hate the most. this lady seems to forget that her organization was audited because she claimed tax-free status and you are not supposed to be a political organization and claim tax-free status. she knows that. they werenows that definitely against donald trump until he got the nomination. the coke brothers $2 million a day they spend too take hillary clinton down seems to be working, especially in places like texas and louisiana, where i'm from. millions ofent dollars for the last 10 years running the clinton down. and that is the last time we had a balanced budget, when bill clinton was in office. thank you. guest: thanks for calling in, byron. see, you were talking about my organization and it being out-of-date and i was discussing the targeting , overed to organizations a hundred organizations, and the irs targeted us because we have the name tea party patriots. they did it simply based on our name. what we it based on believe. that is not the way the irs is supposed to operate. they were targeting a nonprofit organization, the things i've been talking about today as far as donald trump and hillary clinton go, are about our superfast, fi when he seven super pack, which is allowed to engage in political activity. an nonprofit organization of my tea party patriots, is a 4) nonprofit. i could not even mention the word obamacare because it had obama's name in it. i wouldn't do an interview like now because we did not have a super pack and because the irs was targeting us. so you have your facts wrong there. we were not audited. it was targeting. it was deliberate and it was wrong and it is still going on to groups around this country. and the irs must stop it. believe in free speech, you should be just as offended as everyone of us are because it's wrong what they did to us. i think you mentioned something about the koch brothers. we are not funded by them in that way so i can't address what they're doing. i think you mentioned some thing else but i don't remember the middle thing. host: let's move on because we do want to get some calls in and another couple of pieces i want to get your reaction to, jenny beth martin. one is a politico and it has an impact this year on the tea party. the year of the outsider is mostly on donald trump. they point out the tea party candidates failed to take out a single gop incumbent this year, among the higher profile targets who survived were john mccain, kim brady, john shimkus and bill shuster. how come? guest: when the irs targets you, when there is a congressional hearing that says, if you donate to a t party group and my you are 10 times more likely to be personally audited. it has an impact on organizations across this country. it makes people not just afraid to be involved in tea party organizations, but more afraid to donate to candidates and be engaged in clinical activity. that has a ripple effect across this country. it's what i call the silencing effect of the irs. so i don't underestimate the effect that the targeting of the irs has had on this entire movement. but as far as what politico is donald trump is the example of a challenger and an outsider. look at how many people he defeated in the primary. there were 16 other opponents. election year,al the presidential election is going to suck all the oxygen out of the media room. it is but to take the most focus. so if you are looking at it, donald trump did. he ran on tea party valleys. he talked about securing the border. thealked about balancing federal budget. he said he wants to repeal obamacare. these are things the tea party has been advocating for the last seven and half years. that is a win for the tea party. primaryld trump won the based on the campaigning on the issues that we care about. whothere were candidates won. we had many people who were a part of the house freedom caucus liberty alliance allied caucuses in the house who were reelected. biggs inve andy arizona, who we were a up until the end of august, get elected or get nominated. and he is one of the most constitutional candidates our organization, tea party patriots, sit his fund energy all year long. so we did have wins. so in a nut -- so in a presidential election year, it is going to be a lot less than it in non-presidential election year. hower: it amazes mecaller: -- donald trump does not want to give irs asked her money to waste and here he is being demonized because he don't want to do that. is squandered by the irs every year. and he is smart to not want to give his hard earned money to them to be squandered. the news media, the irs are only branches of hillary's campaign. everyone can see that. here arequestions slanted against the callers that call in against donald trump. it seems almost like a fix. host: we haven't touched on the media yet and that last color did. anything you want to say about that? guest: the media does with the media does. our organization is focused on getting the message and going to voters individually and asking for their vote. and we are making sure people understand, if you are tired of what is happening in washington, d.c., if you think a country is headed in the wrong direction, it's time to do something different. donald trump is offering that change. that is where we are focused. does, as what the media they do what they do and i think that americans across this country are wise enough to understand that they need to be looking at more than just one source for any kind of news. i think most americans do. host: mylan writes on twitter -- guest: because i believe that the economy can grow if we cut .axes if we increase taxes, our economy is not going to grow. if our economy grows -- if our economy grows, we are going to be able to address also, i truly think thae debt, the way to balance the budget is a simple solution. it all it takes is congress simply spending one penny less out of every dollar paid one penny less. within five years, we can have a balanced budget. the only way that's going to happen is if we have true leadership and someone willing to stand up and say i'm going to fight for a balanced budget. we are going to make the country better. that's what donald trump is saying. ist: back to politico, paul described as a former tea party operative and writes the following about the tea party -- the tea party movement is pretty much dead now. it did not die a natural death. it was murdered and it was an inside job paid . what is your reaction? paul in that opinion piece that he wrote admits that he was part of what he called scam organizations. he apparently was part of scamming americans. organization, tea party and our citizens fund nonprofit tea party patriots takes the funding we get from the small donors across the country and we put it to good use. over 1000ding out packets right now to volunteers and so they can make phone calls in the weeks leading up to election day. we have people working around the clock on our staff. we have 15 people working tirelessly to support the millions of people who support us. 770 active local groups around the country. we get on a call with those local groups every single sunday night and the leaders of those decide the direction we will take -- whether it is a senate race, looking at the state or a congressional , werict or the president ask them how they want us to endorse before we make any endorsements. we are a grassroots organization. we take our grassroots supporters very seriously. paul doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to what a true grassroots organization does. he is a scammer. host: philip in fairfax, virginia. he is an undecided voter. caller: i have a question for ms. martin. there is something she said that puzzled me. she has expressed concern about the national debt. will help ustrump because mr. trump has a better way or a new way of attacking the problem. program at his economic and he recommends a spending hundreds of billions more on infrastructure to generate jobs. i think that makes sense. but he also proposes a fixed -- a big tax cut. i don't understand how he can spend billions of dollars more on infrastructure and cut taxes without an increase in the deficit. when ronald reagan cut taxes in a big way but cap spending at the sup live -- at the same levels come of it deficit tripled. how is this program going to work? host: you are still undecided. what are you looking for in these remaining weeks? caller: for somebody to attack the deficit problem. -- trumpg a problem talks like he makes sense but when you add up his numbers, they don't come close to adding up. mrs. clinton has proposed infrastructure spending, too, but at least she pays for it by increasing taxes on the rich. -- if: i will say this you are going to cut taxes, you also have to cut spending. if the increases and infrastructure are going to happen, we have to look at other areas where we can cut the spending. the spending is going to have to decrease. -- what youportant pointed out about what happened with ronald reagan and what happened with george w. bush, these things happen because the spending did not decrease. we have to have the political will and political leadership to make sure that happens. if we continue on the path we've and continue with politicians that will keep on spending and keep on raising taxes and who will not have the leadership to actually address the problem, who have never had to run businesses who don't know how to turn a company that may have hit difficult financial times around to be worth billions of dollars, if you don't have people who know how to do that, we will continue with what we already have. what we have right now is not working. it is simply not working. we need something to be done differently and that's what donald trump is saying will happen. that's why i'm supporting him. ultimately, we will need to cut taxes and spending. both have to happen. host: one last call from sissy in pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i have a second small part-time job at a store. when donald trump was talking about let's make america great come every piece of clothing i took out of the box that was and a bancald trump trump was made in morocco, indonesia, china -- not one thing is made in america. not one thing we bring in our store by donald trump is made in america. counts --man who touts every day about making america strong but he employs no one through making his clothes, manufacturing, nothing is made in this country. i look at the track record. hillary clinton has done things for american people. donald trump who talks about the in the clothes are being made in indonesia, which is a muslim country, morocco, which is a muslim country -- he is a liar when he says let's make america great paid but all his companies or outside of this country, including mexico. as -- the problem with manufacturing right now in our country is that there are so many regulations that it makes it very, very difficult to make things in our country in a way that is competitive. we have to address that. donald trump understands that and he is going to address that issue. he wants to make sure there are more jobs in our country so that people like you have the economic opportunity and hopefully you can get to a point where you're making enough money that you don't have to have that second job. you can do it with just one job. i know how tough it is to have more than one job. youpreciate the fact that are a hard-working american and you are doing everything you can for your personal life and your family. i want all of us to have a better opportunity in our individual lives, for our families and for our communities and for our entire country and that's what donald trump is working to do. to haveings differently a better future. host: >> a discussion about education policy in the 2016 presidential campaign. from washington journal, this is about 45 minutes. joining us at the table now is lily eskelsen garcia, president of the nea, national education association. one of the reasons we wanted you on was this headline, this story in "the washington post" and elsewhere. the nation's largest labor union plans to link donald trump to a rise in school bullying. don't have to link him, he has linked himself there. there was a study recently by the southern poverty law center, the premier organization and antidiscrimination and anti-bigotry and they took a poll of teachers that corresponds to the anecdotal phone calls we've been getting at the nea where people have said i've never seen anything like this before. be one kids that seem to the uptick of bullying, they are invoking donald trump's name. when donald trump gets elected, he's sending you back to mexico or you are a terrorist and donald trump will keep you out of my country. --tle girls with headscarves it's incredible. ironically, october is national anti-bullying month. every year about this time, will put up aa lot of good information for people who work with children, parents, scout leaders come anybody around kids about how to recognize school bullying and how to intervene. sudden, people are calling saying i need this information, send me that link again because i'm seeing something that really concerns me. you and others are calling this the "trump effect." what do you intend to do about it? guest: it was not our term but certainly does describe it. you can google "trump effect" on children and see what comes up. you will see is what we've been hearing about from our educators all across the country . -- thee frightened little girl with the headscarf asking her mom come will we have to leave the country? they are scared. the kids who at have traditionally, historically been bullied to kids were overweight, i don't like your race or ethnicity, you have a disability, these are kids who are constantly fearful of being different and these are the same categories that donald trump is calling out and kids are listening. host: what actions can nea plan to take? guest: first of all, you have to have educators, parents and anyone else in the circle of with children know how to deal with bullying. you can get really good information on how to talk to kids. one doing the bullying, the victim and the bystanders. in this campaign, it takes on a new significance for us. we've always been politically active. we are a union, we come together , millions of hard-working educators that work in preschool , k-12 schools, colleges and universities. our we see this affect on children, on our students come in takes on a new importance for us. we will be more involved in this to getn, working somebody who's had a lifetime of service like our clinton -- hillary clinton elected. someone who is a horrible role model for children should be sent back to his reality tv show. host: let's put the phone numbers on the screen for lily garcia, president of the national education association, the largest labor union in the u.s. she is the first latino to lead this organization. you endorsed hillary clinton one year ago. guest: we did. host: what are you doing on her behalf now? how much money are you spending, where are you spending it? guest: we will be investing more than six figures in direct mail, another six figures in online ourand we are involving members in a way we've never involved them. when you have an online ad, you can actually send that out to millions of educators and they can put it out on their social media. they can get their circle of influence. one in every 100 americans is a member of the nea. we are still predominantly women. both campaigns want badly to have women support them. demographic they are both looking for. we will be talking about the the "trumpct -- effect" on our students. host: west palm beach, ford appeared marlene, are you doing ok with the storm -- west palm beach, florida. marlene, are you doing ok but the storm? democrat,am a registered democrat. i've made my final decision which obviously will go for hillary anyway. , i wastion this morning trying to get the guest you had on your show -- i'm thankful your guest right now is focusing on children and education. children act based on what they see on television. donald trump is no role model. for adults or children. we have to be careful what our children watch. kids can be mean. we have a lot of bullying in this country. my final thing pertaining to donald trump, the way i saw him god,p, as a child of donald trump reminds me of pharaoh. we have to be careful because remember when they were warning, asking him to let god's children go? they did not listen. asked to divide the red sea. you see what happens to pharaoh. donald trump, i cannot understand why we americans would want to put donald trump in the white house. for god's sake, i am a woman and the way i hear donald trump described women, the way he did , heirst african president should not even ask african americans to vote for him. there's a lot of pain in that caller's voice. she said a very important thing about role models. i am a sixth grade teacher from utah. election time was where -- i assign my kids a civics lesson. go home, interview your parents, look at the debate. 12-year-olds can look at campaign ads, they can give their opinions. it was a great time. we know how to separate how to be a good civics teacher from what we do after school and on the weekends. today i amw if comfortable with having educators assign having kids look at the debates or look at those commercials. the role model we are seeing in donald trump is frightening children. that should tell somebody that something is wrong here. host: suffolk, virginia. donald is our caller. undecided. caller: i've heard the political sides from all these people here talking about demonizing one man and blessing another -- when it comes down to it, look at the and theof what the nea educational system has done with , notumbing down of america holding parents responsible for theing the kids -- schoolteachers, i understand they cannot turn their back on the classroom in many cities,ies -- inner police cars have to sit in the parking lot. this is not because of one man but because of a philosophy. our teaching system has to allow parents to move kids to schools that effectively teach their child that we can see the difference in the education -- many of our teachers are not qualified to teach. if they had to take annual exams covering their subjects, as a doctor does, as i do in my business and many other professionals, many of them would fail. yet, we entrust these people to take and educate our children. we spend millions to promote since someone hit on politics, the year you remove the bible from the teachers toolbox, our ethics, morals and the whole community started to go downhill. we have to effectively do what parents will not do. thents do not instruct black children and ethnicities how to behave when a police car stops them. they do not know how to respect individuals. they will run, they will lie, they will do all these things where the parents have just told the kids to challenge authority instead of respect authority. guest: i could not disagree more. that black families do not teach their children to respect authority. i taught in homeless shelters, i taught in the suburbs of utah, i've taught in a lot of different places. again saw time and time were situations where depending on the color of your skin, you were treated very differently. by the authority. that's what is in the news now. what we have to recognize is that every public school, every single classroom, every teacher has a sacred responsibility. to respect those students, respect the family they are serving. the way theith caller pretrade this. that's portrayed this. -- the way the caller portrayed this. in this campaign, we are seeing stereotypes being thrown out that do not fit the students i taught. moreed to have a respectful tone and get rid of all those negative stereotypes. host: let's get loretto on the line. a trump supporter. caller: good morning. ms. garcia, i really could not disagree with you more. for one thing, the nea is encouraging this peer mongering -- fear mongering, bullying being blamed on mr. trump. get real. this has been going on for quite some time here. our schools are in shambles. mr. obama has divided this country here and put the civil rights movement back into the 1960's. the respect for teachers is terrible. i would not want to be a teacher today. they have no control whatsoever. fired as fard be as i'm concerned here. they should let the teachers teach. hillary clinton is a terrible example. done,xactly has she except have these offices here? she is a terrible example here. -- i cringe tod see her in that office here. thiso more deserves position then the man in the moon. guest: let me again respectfully disagree. you have a candidate who as a young law student started working with the children defense fund. rights fighting for the of special ed students in our poorest communities to get the services they need. donald trump's first job, his as aave him a position manager of one of the apartment buildings in new york city. s his job to make sure they did not rent to black applicants. it is night and day what we see with these candidates. let's go back to what you were saying about bullying not being anything new. i agree with that. we've been dealing with bullying since there have been schools and kids. at a school kids wearing homemade t-shirts with "white power, vote trump." there were two schools, one was a majority latino school and the other team's kids were yelling "build the wall." we are not making up this invoking the name donald trump. " onle "trump effect children and you will see it is out there and it is frightening. host: what do you see from the candidates in the education area -- hillary clinton says by 2021, families with incomes up to $125,000 will pay no tuition. making preschool universal or every four-year-old. free tuition at all community colleges. donald trump has put this out there. invest $20 billion toward school choice, give states the option to allow these funds to follow students to public or private schools they attend. a national goal of providing school choice to every student and ensuring universities are reducing the cost of college in exchange for a tax break. guest: hillary's plan makes sense. -- if yoump's plan look at the fine print, it will not cost us any more money because he plans to take it from existing federal programs. the federal programs right now are special education, english , forage learners support our most vulnerable students who live in poverty. we would take it from disabled students, we take it from title i schools. you would take all the money that has been fought for by organizations like the nea and parents and the advocates for all of those children and you say let's roll it all together and hand it out to people who send their kids to private school. this is not a plan, it's another con from a fraud. host: john in albuquerque, new mexico. on the line supporting hillary clinton. caller: good morning. you are like a breath of fresh air from the previous colors and the earlier segment -- previous callers and the earlier segment. i really pray that hillary gets in, but i'm concerned with the election being so close that getting in, what would happen in terms of overall educational funding like pell grants and student loans? i have a fear that everything will become like trump university when he gets in. he is so erratic, said disingenuous. -- so disingenuous. i worry about the future of our country. guest: i think we are all worried. guess.ybody's if you go up to hillary's website and take a look at her education plans, you will see those preschool plans, you will see what she would be doing or affordable college. to his website, yes, we've bee teachers rd for good and doing what they need to do them pire kids and have learning. i was utah teacher of the year, 'm very proud of that, i did project-based learning with kids, which doesn't come up on tests.rdized we've been looking at policies humanize actually education, let that school become the learning community it be. supposed to i have confidence in hillary clinton, that she's listening to educators and parents who want this. it's all d trump, about some quick fix and in his case, it would be just give all that federal money to folks in private schools. named john r caller from carlsbad. donald trump supporter. good morning to you. wife is a school teacher. i'm actually a registered democrat. the lady on t.v. said she demographic of the united states and yet she's representing just one side f it and i don't have any negative comments about either bothdate, other than, they , i don't problems hink either one would be elected to their party's the nea p, but typically has -- they say they the students and yet teachers and fight for teachers that are definitely teaching. be you can't have it both ways. you either -- you're either for kids and when you have a bad teacher, you get rid of them, you don't fight for them. i know they say, we have to fight for the bad ones to help but that is just ludicrous. segment s a -- this today seems to be really one -- i don't want to say anything negative, but usually it is not one sided. thanks for calling, john. guest: we have a support osition for hillary because of her lifeline commitment to students and to public education, that is why i was invited to come on to the show. that is what we want people to know and to know her record. far as the national education association, we support quality teaching. we support proper preparation educators and when somebody is evaluated or there a problem with a teacher, we certainly t teacher, due right to have their process. but, what we want to concentrate how do we build that good teacher? how do we make sure that allowed to do the jobs they were trained to do? majority of ming educators are talented, creative people and we want the ability to do our jobs. endorsement o your of hillary clinton a year ago. was it always hillary clinton? asking, were there divisions between bernie sanders and hillary clinton within the nea? guest: yes. the bottom line is, we do believe in a democratic process. we have good discussions. were vetted n. fact, all of the candidates were to fill o interview, out forms in writing so that we what are your proposals and your plans. support because of her lifelong commitment to students. everything she's done for dreamers, for special education students, for healthcare for our most vulnerable students, the chip one of her signature ieces of legislation that she helped usher through congress when she was first lady. looked, she has made children and families, specially those in the most vulnerable communities, a ornerstone of why she got up that morning and how can you not support someone who supported you all those years. it's fair to say education has not been a central theme of election.dential what does that mean to you? is education receiving maybe the local ion at level? guest: hopefully we will never become our super school board and the president of the united states is not your superintendent, that's a recipe disaster, that is kind of what we had with "no child left untested," and we've gotten away from that now. critical and crucial education programs. our college affordability pell grants, the work that we've been doing for and hope while we wait for comprehensive immigration eform, special education, english language learners, title schools for kids who live in poverty. the funding has been an essential part of the civil kids s movement saying all should have access and opportunity, but it is true that issues are going to be governor's d in the races and in state legislator and school board races, but just having something as important as saying, do we have a good role in the r students president of the united states is now something that people are about.g host: dale calling from indiana, caller.ed hi, dale. liver: yes, mrs. garcia, i a indiana, and i -- you being teach you er, i was wondering if remember when governor pence cut salaries of teachers and enough y didn't have teachers to fill the position because they were such like ndard pay and it's both trump and pence are dead union, nst any kind of .ny kind of education they double the interest rate on tudent loans, i think it was todd young that voted in on yes, the education is -- i don't know exactly how to describe it, but it is in trouble. that is like here in indiana, we have several counties that taking money and buying needles to exchange with hiv drugs 's taking they don't have in need kids that are of breakfast and all that stuff, money to buy needles? comments, hear your especially on about teachers etting a pay cut here in indiana. host: thank you, dale. guest: when it was governor disaster for a education in indiana. folks who y other believe that all we need to do is to take public school money fund private schools, it schools.e public there are good examples, good out there and they all involve teachers and the support staff and the parents in the chools actually giving authority to do creative things within the school itself. hat's what we're looking for, someone who will actually trust us to do our jobs. of rnor pence was not one those governors. host: victoria, moleno, oregon, clinton supporter. hi, victoria. myleno. good morning, host: thank you. caller: i think the lack of that a lot of people who are displaced today, the others areo think the taking their jobs, the mmigrants, i think that leads to bullying with adults and children. these people who think donald will be the savior, we products,tsourced his but i just read the nvestigative reports about him using chinese fuel in his last an investigative supporter said probably the third one. i as researching that, but couldn't find that out. when they interviewed one of his nevada, er necessary they were protesting to form a nion, one of the last casinos in las vegas and the reporter aid, what would you tell mr. trump? here is this latina housekeeper. if you say, mr. trump, want to make america great again, start with us, let us wage.ze to get a living i think that is kind of the picture in a nutshell. calling.anks for any reaction? yes, a few people mentioned national education as a union, we want to make sure people are treated fairly. advocate for benefit necessary pay, like any other union. what makes us a little also advocate for students, we advocate for extbooks and technology that they need and what a test should easure and what a test shouldn't measure. we advocate for policies that will treat children fairly and time to ect, collaborate with each other and the ing parents into school. so all of the things that we've union have s our been good for public education our students. we think unions are the way that the middle class. you do it by gathering the voices, the collective action of people who are often very that cuhave some balance with management and sit wayhe table in a respectful and talk about the things that union members, the professionals that you represent, need to do their o i appreciate the caller talking about that unions are a big part of why we ever had a class. host: just under 15 minutes left with our guest, lily garcia, nea, national e education association. we have a couple donald trump we'll ers on the line, hear from them and come back to the guest. millersville, pa, good morning. caller: good morning, mrs. i'm a shgs a, correctional officer. i want to touch upon the education system and the of correction. annsylvania in 2013 spent for facility in central pennsylvania. with the programs going away, adult system inmates losing the opportunity to get an aboution, we want to talk the citizen rates and breaking hat cycle, it starts with juveniles in our education system. and allowing, i agree with you, do their jobs, and more opportunities in the public school systems and in come into before they the adult system. i would like to hear your thoughts on that. ost: let's hold that thought madeline, west virginia. caller: yes, sir. host: good morning, what is your comment? caller: my comment is if hillary and the democrats are so our children, they're -- about that they let -- pregnancy? they will answer, maybe not to us, but their day will come when hey will answer for all they've -- all the babies that hey took their life and didn't give them a chance. host: thank you for calling. comment first.on guest: we believe that the made the right decision in saying in something as a decision to end a pregnancy thas to be the of the woman who faces that pregnancy and we believe supreme court was correct on that. of juvenile crime, juvenile justice. first, i want to say that educators have a deep respect our authorities, for law when ement and we're best we work together and work in the students.rest of those we know that law authorities, uthorities right now are reviewing their own practices at they're taking a look whether or not they have the police aining for their officers and school resource officers. sure that make students, that children, that americans, at members of society, are always rotected, that we look to law enforcement to protect us. and when we talk about what is our schools, it is something that concerns us that we see dropouts who will often become the next folks that are filling up our jails. do something to end that school to prison pipe tlt ine, where children who find themselves in trouble at school get discouraged, they drop out often turn to a dark side. together, we know that we can ind ways to bring some education justice to our schools. trouble, they n need to be corrected, they need a chance to learn from and we have to practices cipline that sometimes just throw kids away, that say, you're out, instead of trying to work with them so they never get to the they find themselves in an adult prison or situation. ost: let's move on to south jerdzy, new jersey, not far from city.tic clinton supporter. good morning, carl. caller: good morning. ike to say, thank god for the unions, thank god for educators. want to speak to one of your earlier, earlier callers that has taken us a ack to the '60s, and it just speaks to the pink elephant in the room that everybody does not to say. divided m on issues is on racial lines. someone listen to what donald says and the way that obama has carried himself hrough this presidency and say that obama has taken us back to the '60s, people don't want to that it is maybe some angry white d some people that are mad that obama as president and mad that hillary clinton is supported by many of the minorities. thank you. for calling.hanks next question can take up a hole segment, every student succeeds act, last year's bill, how is it doing? the idea behind the bill is and how is it faring so far? guest: i'm glad have you three hours left. show, right? guest: when we got rid of no was thatt untested, it high stakes mandate that you had test thatstandardized somebody got punished if you didn't hit a quota of kids that on math and re reading test, that is gone. hat we replaced it with is an opportunity and state to state, they have to develop an card, a ility report dashboard of indicators, of success beyond that standardized test score. indicators like graduation rates, attendance ates, it can also be indicators -- how many kids are graduating high school having already earned college credit? then you'll be able to tell which kids have access to placement, international baccalaureate programs and which kids don't. you will see what to advocate for. for the first time, we got on thatg very important dashboard of indicators, indicators of service and kids.rt for which kids have a professional librarian in their school? a school nurse? counselors? how many kids are given, are scholarships? you'll be able to focus on success at really mean for those kid necessary a very broad fashion. and each of being worked out in states, every state must develop their own dashboard of indicators, so we have real right nities to get it this time. donald trump supporter. hi. caller: i would like to ask mrs. garcia, she mentioned hillary clinton as attorney and how she loved children. there is a video out there rapist and fended a to have has counseling, it wasn't the fact she got the gentleman off, she down, ripped her to pieces and then got this hers, like she of did something wonderful. for illary clinton is hillary clinton. , did thisterize trump monster, he's honest, this disgraceful for children. thanks a lot. bye. host: any reaction? don't know this video and i don't believe everything i internet, vino comment, i don't know the video. karen, undecided voter. hi, karen. undecided voter. i'm a teacher and recently moved massachusetts.om i'm calling from kentucky. i taught in both states. teacher for over 15 years. very ludicrous's to think that we could get rid bully nothing schools. bullying has been around as long been aroundngs have f. they are not bullying each whor about a sports team or won the dancing contest on t.v. the night before, they're each other about what they wear. the best way to deal with a lying isn't to blame political figure, just deal with the children and talk with the it known to make them that, you know, you wouldn't want your feelings hurt try to go from that standpoint. ut to bullying a political figure, i think both political figures are disgrace to our political system. neither one of them have that i can shine up as a point to make the argument hillary clinton is for children. hillary linton is for clinton as much as donald trump is for donald trump. we lost her. respond? guest: i hope nobody heard me say that donald trump is the reason that there's bullies in schools. we're see suggest phenomenon for the first time in where of history, children are using the name of a presidential candidate, someone wants to be the president f our country, in bullying other children. calling them fat, saying they're mexico, saying head ids who wear muslim scarves are terrorists, we've before.een that it is an effect you can google on trump effect and see what is going on. is disturbing, absolutely nobody has reported that someone hillary's name. she hasn't said anything that would frighten a child. let's do one last call from brenda in new hampshire. hillary clinton supporter. caller: hello. i want to thank you for confirm words and action what the bible says, no them by trump, i ks and donald think he emerges as the epublican nominee and seems to confirm effect of negative sxit reality-based drama on the public. you feel about that, amount of negative ads on oth sides to me is just appalling. do you think it is due primarily packs?ing from the super i want to know what people want do, what people have done and i want to know what their policies are and i'm not getting just people bashing each other, which i think makes and frankly it's embarrassing. you hit the nail on the head that we are in a horrendous negative rallies, even the debates, where people are other, it's each not good for kids to hear that. graders d my sixth debate things, they took turns and they used facts and evidence agree, that is exactly what a campaign should be. host: lily garcia, president of nea, the national education association, largest union in this country. very much >> coming up saturday morning, mulaney willim help us breakdown of the economy, then cynthia katz will talk about the role of millennials in campaign 2016. andrew parasiliti. be sure to watch washington journal at 7:00 a.m. eastern. wisconsin look at the senate race. this is from "washington journal." he senate race now, our guest is bill, a reporter for the milwaukee journal sentinel. morning. guest: good morning. how are you? host: doing fine, thank you for is a marquee is it has the former senator running against the senator, ron johnson. remind us of the background of theywo folks and the races have run and explain how they are faring right now in this race. well, of course this is rematch from 2010, russ feingold, had been a three-term sitting senator in 2010, voted obama care and seemingly out of nowhere came osh kash businessman, ron johnson, fired opposing bama care, it, writing a tea party wave and in 2010.gold joined the season. went off, talked some, served as special envoy to johnson was in the u.s. senate b. a year and a feingold announced he would come back in the race and face ron johnson in the rematch. basically this is a i would say incumbents, one the people remember and the other one the president incumbent. host: so we read mr. glauber,