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7488001. Democrats, your line is 202 7488000. Independent and all others, 202 7488002. You can also send us a tweet at cspan wj and post comments and thoughts on our Facebook Page as well. We will start with an opinion piece by fred hiatt in Washington Post. The headline on that piece is the u. S. Steps back from the world stage and the consensus for leadership dissolves. He writes that the dire results of president obamas experiment in downsizing u. S. Leadership are obvious overseas but there is a consequence at home that gets less attention. The mistake builds on itself. It is the opposition of selfcorrecting. The United States withdraws from the world, in other words of the world grows messier and uglier and that only confirms for Many Americans that any involvement is foolish. This feedback loop fuels the kind of isolationism weve seen this year from donald trump and Bernie Sanders. It helped explain why there was little talk about Foreign Policy beyond chest bumping about defeating the Islamic State at the conventions. It will make Hillary Clintons job that much harder if she is elected and seeks support for a more traditional u. S. Leadership role. Im asking you this morning which candidate, donald trump or Hillary Clinton, will be better on National Security. Donald trump smoke about spoke about nato in colorado. Here is what he had to say. [video clip] said to wolf blitzer is obsolete. I got attacked. The blue study nato said trump is right. Theya lot of things are 20 and 30 and 40 years old. This is not a country from 40 years ago. Today we have a different threat , a terror threat. Isis is not even mentioned during the Democratic Convention and everyone is talking about it. On friday. D trump the question this morning, which candidate is best on National Security . Here is a political piece with the headline role reversal. Democrats become Security Policy abroad. Defection from trump has left america prosperous fema Majority Party claiming the hawk in chief mantle. Obama returnedck the favor on wednesday night suggesting that the republican nominee had no clue what he was talking about. Desk you dot at the not know what it is like to manager Global Crisis or send young people to war. That is president obamas speech last wednesday at the Democratic Convention. Its good or democratic line first and hear from joe in roanoke, virginia. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you cspan for everything you do. Like its time for an outsider. I believe the president elected will be trump or clinton but. Illary has more of the same i watched the whole Democratic Convention and i heard more of the same talking points obama has been making for years on Foreign Policy. I really think a new person in their would have advisers and. Abinet around them to do stuff the clip you just played with trump whatever you think of this guy he is onto something. We have to think about isis and the terrorist thing. My goodness. Host have you voted in the past for a republican president ial candidate . Caller i have voted every which way. The last time i voted i voted constitutional in virginia. One of 602 people in my city to vote for the constitutional party. Host in 2012 . Caller yes, sir. Host eric in white plains, maryland. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Thank you very much for taking me. I want to say two things. Im an africanamerican and im voting for trump. , do have a Facebook Page African Americans for trump. More than 5000 members and we are voting for trump. To answer your question on National Security, i want to say under obama, he has been leading from behind. I voted obama in the past. Im very disappointed with his foreignpolicy because you cannot lead from behind. Political correctness is not policy. In this world with radical islamism, going Public Relations will not solve the problem. We need a strong man. That is the only language terrorists understand. The labor to force not the language of reason. They dont reason. When it comes to force im sure the trump has the gut because he has shown it. Clinton is just an extension of obama. We have seen the National Security they have done in the past. Benghazi. Ke libya, an example of a failed foreignpolicy by clinton and obama. Im going with trump. Friends asas much possible to vote for him. Host in terms of specific skills or experience for dealing with National Security issues, what do you think donald trump rings to the table . Caller donald trump brings something we did not see in politics for a long. Honesty. The man will tell you the thing as he sees it. He will not tell you the way you want to listen to it. Its like the elephant in the room. Radical terrorists are killing people. In paris, here, all over the world. This administration does not want to acknowledge it and they want to bring more syrians when we know you cannot even vet them. Is it worth the life of one american . Thatedia saying it is not of course islam is not a religion of war but the problem is that those terrorists are using islam and we need to tell them forcefully. I would like to see muslims in this country denounced terrorism forcefully as they did denouncing trump. Host we will let you go. Thank you for your opinion. Lots of opinion from the Pew Research Company on americas place in the world in terms of Foreign Policy. Divided over americas place in the world. They talk about a couple of things. Should the u. S. Be spending more or less on defense . The uptick here for increasing spending on defense at 35 . Wanted to show you the poll in terms of majority republicans saying defense spending should be increased. Looking at the democrats view of that. In therican involvement world, pew research, in terms of solving World Problems that the u. S. Do too much too little or the right amount . Too little, toby 7 . Too much, 41 . Which candidate better on National Security, donald trump or Hillary Clinton . We play comments over the weekend from donald trump on nato. I wanted to play comments from kurt volker who was on this program on saturday. Heres what he had to say but the u. S. Role in nato. [video clip] i dont think its obsolete at all and that is where i would disagree fundamentally. Just because the soviet union has gone away does not mean threats to security of democracy in europe and the United States of one away. We have lots of threats. Nato is very important vehicle for bringing all of those countries together, coordinating efforts, and making ourselves stronger and how we respond just by the fact of working together. Of course we would like to see the load balanced out more, but we benefit. United states benefits tremendously from having secure democratic market economic space in europe. Countries that are willing to go , bosnia, afghanistan, when we see a need for u. S. Intervention in the world. The only countries that have been reliably willing to do that are those that have been our nato allies and they bring genuine military capability. Not as much as we would like but it is still substantial compared to anything else available. Host a question for you this morning about which president ial candidate, donald trump or Hillary Clinton, will be better on National Security issues. We have put the poll on twitter and we are at cspan wj. Heres a look at how things stand now. The waylose in terms of people are voting. James. Can line, that is good morning. Caller im a Ronald Reagan republican. Host you set a Ronald Reagan republican . Caller that is a big difference. Ronald reagan did not say anything when you are president you cant say anything. I dont care how angry you is, obama that the bill. He dont say anything. Im for hillary because hillary knows about the government. One more thing i would like to say. Bushesge bush, the two and john mccain were not there, they should let the other republicans know donald trump is not the one for our country. He is biased. Life. Er talks about black he is a person who devise this country. Who divides this country. Lie butknow why people trump is not the one for this country. He is a divider. He is a dictator too. This is how he talks. A dictator. Harrisburg,s pennsylvania. Republican line. Good morning to marry. Caller i think donald trump would have more strength and be a stronger president to take care of isis. Hillary has always followed and said she will always follow obamas terms. He has been so weak on defense. He wants to weaken the military and especially after benghazi. She could not take care of she really could not take care of one place in this world and i wonder how in the world she would ever be commanderinchief and take care of isis. I have not heard any good plans from hurt either. From her either. I think she will govern from a place of weakness in following obama pass policies. I think donald trump would be better on our defense. Much stronger. Host front page of the Washington Times this morning bit from Hillary Clinton plus email on fox news sunday. The headline, clinton repeats claims rebutted by the fbi on email. Hillary clinton is sticking to her story. They write the democratic president ial nominee repeated her claim that she never sent or received classified information on her private email s secretary of state. It contradicting what fbi director james comey said the agency found in its investigation. I was communicating with over 300 people in my emails. A did not believe and have no reason to believe what they were sendings classified, mrs. Clinton said on fox news sunday. I take class of acacia and seriously, she said, repeating her frequent assertion that she made a mistake in using a private email account hosted on a private server. Mr. Comey said what hundred 10 of mrs. Clintons emails contained information that was classified at the time. He also announced he would not recommend pursuing criminal butges against mrs. Clinton he said she and her staff were extremely careless in using the personal account. To sandra and attleborough, massachusetts. Our independent line. He,er dont you believe donald trump, has a mouth that never quits . He says so many bad things to so many people. Tyrants. Ers everybody it feels superior to everyone. That is going to be felt around. He world hes done nothing but hurt hurt hurt. Because maybe he is hurt inside himself [inaudible]. Searching for something. Was for him or her in the beginning. His mouth took me down the road i did not want to go. I dont want to follow in his pathway. He says so many things that are even if het did not mean them they are going to take our world apart because of stupidity. Thats all i can tell you. Host our question focusing on what donald trump is saying about National Security. Do inu feel they would the area of National Security and defense. Foreignpolicy issues like this. The front page of usa today talks about another issue. Trump might accept crimea seizure. Russia will not invade ukraine on his president ial watch donald trump said adding that he would consider recognizing russian president Vladimir Putin past seizure of crimea. Im going to take a look at it. The people of crimea, from what ive heard, would rather be with russia then where they were. Of peninsula have been part russia until 1944 when the soviet union moved it to ukraine. The soviet republic at the time. Trumps comments about crimea followed his claim that putin and russia are not going to ukraine, ok, just so you understand. Reminded of that, trump replied that putin is theyre in a certain way that im not there. You have obama there. Hillary Clintons Campaign mocked trumps responses especially his claim that there would not be any russian invasion of ukraine. Here is how the story played out on the front page this morning of the daily news. He is not going to he is not going into ukraine. You can market down. The daily news having some fun with a republican candidate. Democrat line, its cornell. Good morning. Caller good morning. Im supporting hillary because she is the only one qualified in the race to hold the office and can win. She was a senator, secretary of. Tate she has been working since a teenager for the betterment of mankind. Shes been in the spotlight for the last 30 years. Being in the spotlight she has been targeted, attacked, vilified. Ive never seen a male candidate be so vilified like Hillary Clinton. As far as donald trump is concerned, hes not qualified, does not know parliamentary procedure. Hes talking about leading for behind. He would be way behind because he does not even know the simple principles of how you need congress, you need the senate. You have to work with both sides. You just cant attack people anytime you dont something doesnt go your way. He has a lot of products with his name on it. Every product he has with his name on it is made overseas. He filed bankruptcy four times. I understand is a businessman if you want if your business is going under you file bankruptcy. That makes sense. Who did he hurt when he done that . Hammock people lost their for or pensions behind him how many people lost their 401 k s or their pensions behind him . How many contractors did not get paid because he filed bankruptcy . Host lets go to our republican line. Marquette, michigan. Doug, good morning. Not parthe ukraine is of nato. Most of the nato countries are not paying their fair share. I think trump is spot on to put the fear of god in those other countries that are getting a free ride with american military. We pay the lions share but is high time with our 19 trillion debt that the other countries of europe start pitching in their fair share. We should just get out. Host tony is on a democrat line in Ellicott City maryland. Heard you tell got flooded out the other day. Hope you are ok. Caller im fine. Trees on the ground and houses split in half. Crazy. Trump loves america. Im a hillary fan. He loves america just like george bush junior did or the second president bush. Its the knowledge. There electing someone to highest office in the land. I dont think trump is a traitor. You were born here, you love this country. He is not knowledgeable enough. Just like the president before obama. Bush the second. Once you get advisors around him all these people think hes hes going this to get advisors around him and they will run circles around him just like they did the second bush. I know bush was a good president but he did not have the knowledge. Thats why he did so many things to pass the Republican Party off. He knew they ran circles around him and that is what is going to happen to trump. At least hillary has the experience and the knowledge. She knows which decisions to make. Trump will be led around by his nose. ,he washington establishment the washington way will run around him into circles around him and that is how its going to be. Host appreciate that call. We are asking which candidate will be better on National Security. You can join us on the phone. 202 7488001 for republicans. 202 7488000 for democrats. 202 7488002 for independent in all others. Take part in the poll that is happening on twitter. At cspan wj. Here is one tweet. Maybe obamas cia said nope to mrs. Clintons requests for classified briefings. This one says hillary, who had all this government experience should have known better than to use a private server. Why was she so careless . On the issue of the server and the deleted emails, donald trump making the offhand remark at his News Conference last week that perhaps the russians should look into those 30,000 emails and said later it was a sarcastic comment. Hillary clinton reacted to that in an interview yesterday with Chris Wallace on fox news sunday. [video clip] if you take his encouragement that the russians hack into american email accounts, if you take his quite excessive praise for putin, his absolute allegiance to a lot of russian wish list Foreign Policy positions, his effort to try to different to distance himself from that backlash which rightly came from democrats, National Security, republicans and intelligence experts, leads us to conclude he is not temperamentally fit to be president and commander in chief. Host we go to gym in new castle, delaware. Good morning. i think you have to look at the legacy of Hillary Clinton. The legacy of her husband. How he opened the door to muslim radicalism when he got involved in yugoslavia and sided with nonchristians. In the was instrumental arab spring which led to the growth of islamic fundamentalists. You see with our stories about the ben ghazi having to do with running guns to isis. She has shown bad judgment, bad policy throughout the Obama Administration. Bad policy and her husbands been policy are partly responsible for the turmoil we have seen in the last 40 years in this country. I think trump will be tempered in the way he deals with foreign leaders. He realizes he has to put a stamp on things and he has to create a situation that will allow his children to walk in the sunlight for the rest of their lives. I think its time for every center. Host what about the democratic caller that said that talk about the people that surrounded george w. Bush. Concerned about the people donald trump may surround himself with in terms of Foreign Policy guidance. This is a new field for him. Who does a candidate like donald trump surround himself with if hes elected president . Who are his advisers in your view . Caller the people that were advising bush the biggest problem we had were when the republicans lost control of congress in 2006 and policies of the new house or the economy on the rocks. The other problem is the fact that obama set deadlines for the removal of troops from the middle east which led to complete chaos. I think the bush doctrine was working well. Obama took it apart and detroit it. I think he did that because he did not want any republicans have anything to put on their mantle about involvement in foreign action. I think there are some good people in washington i just hope trump is able to flush the system of the people pointed by the clintons and the obamas. Host do you think donald trump can balance that wanting to draw back from nato and you mentioned the bush doctrine, or any newer version of a u. S. President. S. Presence overseas what does that look like under a Trump Presidency . Caller i have a feeling trump placidgoing to be as about affairs as he is painting a picture of right now. I think he wants people in europe to pay their fair share. Lets have a True International effort to get things done. We can be leaders but we dont have to pay the entire bill. People will care more once they see they are going to have to pay for things. I think trump is making that point because we have been giving the rest of the world of free ride on the u. S. Defense department for the last since world war ii. I know we kept the peace in most areas but every time we pull back from their chaos. Hes going to have to realize hes going to have to have a strong directions of people will follow. Policies of the Clinton Obama administration put forward, absolute disastrous. Trying to work on trade policy which is very important and i think hes got to work on Economic Policy which will make america strong which will make people follow america once again. Now we are looked at as a joke. No growth. We have such a bed trade deficit. Somebody whose pocket is being picked around the world to read i think he wants to reestablish america as a leader not only economically but the Economic Leadership will lead to our ability to have more of an effect on affairs. Host we appreciate your input. We move on to herbert on a democrat line in hempstead, new york. Caller good morning. Old. 86 years presently living through my 14th president. This trump has pulled the greatest con on the American People that i have ever witnessed. People are going to be sorry, really sorry. This guy has not been properly vetted, his whole business deals the great businessman has been a sham. Hes had over 350 lawsuits that hes involved in over his business deals. Ts unbelievable im sure clinton had situations and problems but she is the most experienced. She knows Foreign Policy. Who says she is going to do president our present has done . Although to me he has done a great job. Save the automobile industry. He got bin laden, no one else could get him. This guy is a con artist. Dumping understand that . Dont they understand that . Host 15 more minutes of your phone 15 more minutes of your phone calls and who will do best on National Security, which candidate. Both of the president ial candidates are set to get there give their first get their first National Security briefings. We are joined on the phone by warmer acting director of the cia with insight into what is inside of those briefings. Thank you for joining us. Guest good morning. How did these briefings come about . When did they first start . Guest they have been doing briefings like this since 1952. Harry truman recognized that the should be briefed on Foreign Policy before they walk into the oval office, in order to be prepared for what was then, a very tumultuous world and it has been going on all of that time, since. When i was in office, i did this several times, i briefed candidate bush in 2000 and candidate john kerry a couple of times in 2004. Clintons president briefer after he was elected. Host in the atmosphere of these reported russian hacks how does a cia director or briefer ensure that briefing stays classified in terms of where it is done and in terms of other people allowed in the room . Guest at the end of the day, you are trusting the discretion of the candidate and the people who may accompany him. Typically, a candidate in these briefings is not accompanied by a large number of people. There might be one or two close aides. The day, you are trusting their discretion, patriotism, good judgment in order to maintain the confidentiality of what they are hearing. Candidates hearing of specific threats or general brought issues . Isst in my experience, it specific in terms of the threats and the assessment of them. It is less specific in terms of the nature of the sources, the identity of the sources that are contributing to those assessments, and also the methods by which intelligence acquires that information. In other words, you really dont hold back on the bottom line. Here is what is happening in , ina, and russia, in syria clear terms, but you dont go into all the details about how we acquired this, and so forth. After a person is elected president , they are entitled to everything they want to know from the intelligence world. How often are these briefings done . Varies. T fairies it president bill clinton or candidate bill clinton had one of these briefings for an hour. Leastr john kerry had at two, or maybe more. There are times when candidates have had four or five sessions with intelligence as the Campaign Goes along. The frequency and location of the briefings is negotiated with the sitting white house between the candidates, representatives and the white house. It can range from one to many. Have you ever had concerns over briefing an individual, and what would disqualify somebody from receiving one of these briefings . I have not had concerns like that in the past. The few number of times ive done this, what would disqualify someone, i think what would really disqualify them would be breaking the rules after the briefing. After such a briefing, they simply went out and talked openly about everything that had n discussed in terms of terms that violated the understanding that they were to be discreet about what they heard, that would ultimately disqualify somebody. I am not aware of anything in the past that somebody has done before the briefings, that would disqualify them. Question,e ask this in view of some of the some of the things that donald trump has said, is it ok to brief him . When someone becomes a president ial candidate, they are entitled to these briefings, and you simply have to trust that having reached that stage of political achievement, that they are going to handle these briefings responsibly. That is where i am on that. Our viewersl direct to a piece you wrote on what the heart trumps first intelligence briefing will look like. Clapper that will do this briefing do this briefing . Guest it will be director clapper who organizes it. Know if he will be there, personally. With candidatese bill clinton. He will organize it and designate who will do the briefings. It could be himself or somebody else. It could be one person or a team of people. I dont know precisely how that is going to happen. Host former acting director john mclaughlin, thank you so much for the insight. We will get back to your calls and comments on what which president candidate will do the best on National Security, donald trump or Hillary Clinton and we have claudia on the republican line in north carolina. Caller thank you for taking my call. I have been watching the debate on both the republican and the democratic side. I am a previous democrat who will be voting republican, and i find that from the beginning, the beginning of this election series or months, that mr. Trump has been the one who has brought up for the American Public, most of the issues that we were poorly informed about such as , National Immigration security and isis and i think that he has, with some issues that needed to be debated. He said that he did not want america to be an isolationist country and not a part of nato. I think he said that nato needs to be redefined, that it needs to be redefined to include more intelligence gathering. A lot of times, these people seem to be known by the fbi, many of them are muslim. I dont think he means that prejudicial he prejudicially. Mediak some of our social could be more proactive in targeting the people who have made serious threats. Morning, newe this york times, donald trump confrontation with muslim soldier parents emerges as unexpected flashpoint. Criticism by the parents of a muslim u. S. Soldier killed by a suicide bomber in a rock and a rising outcry in his own party over his ethically chart ethnically charged dismissal of the couple. Unexpected andas potentially pivotal flashpoint in the general election. He has plainly struggled to respond and has answered their criticism derisively, first implying that his wife had been for britain to speak, then declaring that he had no right to question mr. Trumps all your rarity with the constitution and mr. Trumps usual political toolkit has appeared to fail him , hearing no reprieve with his complaints that mr. Con had been unfair to him. He claimed that he was viciously attacked. Mr. Trump and his advisers tried repeatedly to change the subject to islamic terrorism to no avail. Instead, mr. Trump appeared to be caught on sunday in one of the biggest crises of his campaign, rivaling the uproar in june after he suggested federal judge a federal judge was biased because of his mexican of thee on the issue parents of the soldier who was killed, a statement from the Vice President of candidate mike pence says donald trump and i believe that the andain is an american hero, his family like all gold star families should be cherished by every american. Captain con gave his life to due to thecountry disastrous decisions of barack obama and Hillary Clinton and this must not stand. We go to knoxville, tennessee with june on our republican line. Im thinking that mr. Trump will be better because hillary has very bad judgment, and she received classified emails that were marked class of life, and she could not even that, that these worse these were classified and she did not even call those people up or send them an email saying do not send this kind of material over this insecure server that i have. We do not want to receive that. She has poor judgment in these things, and this morning, she is now saying that the fbi director was incorrect, that she absolutely had none. How could she say that . The guy saved her from having a grand jury convene, by saying she was grossly negligent. Host taking your calls this morning on who is better for nationals are ready. ,o far, the results on twitter saying 54 saying the content we better for National Security saying Hillary Clinton would be better for National Security. John tweets because he has a big mouth and that makes him strong and from tj, would not surprise me at all if Hillary Clinton sold topsecret information to the highest bidder. Democrats line in north carolina. [inaudible] we will go to sam, independent line in pennsylvania. Caller good morning. My big question is for the democrats for the for and the donald trump would do a 200 better job then all these democrats. My question is, how are they going to get rid of zero the 21 trillion in debt . Get rid of the 21 troy and dollars in debt 21 trillion in debt . [inaudible] there are plenty of americans who would like to have Hillary Clinton apologize for having their boys killed. In his speech in denver on friday night, donald trump talked about building the wall along the mexico border and talked about the great wall of china. Here is an article from Lonely Planet saying people are stealing parts of the great wall of china. China has a new plan to stop bricks from disappearing from the great wall. It is disappearing brick by brick as tourists and locals alike seal bits of the iconic landmark. Michigan, sonja is on our democrat line. Caller thank you for having your program. Clinton is the best for National Security. Would want top give our emails to russia. I just cant understand it. The secretaryen of state, so she would be the best for the security because make a moveng to that makes people hate us more than they do. We will turn to politics, next looking at the battleground states. We will hear from kyle from the university of virginias center of politics. Tucker, hererick to talk about what we know about the dnc email hack and russias role. On saturday, cspans issue spotlight looks at police and Race Relations. We will show president obama at the Memorial Service for five Police Officers shot and killed in dallas. When the bullets started flying, the men and women of the Dallas Police did not flinch, and they did not react recklessly. South carolina A Gilligan Tim Scott giving his speech on the senate lore about his own interactions with police. The best majority of the time, i was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or some other reason, just as trivial. The Program Includes one familys story about an encounter with police in washington, d. C. , followed by a panel with the city police chief. Most people get defensive if they feel like you are being offense of. Inng very respectful encounters and request, if it is not a dangerous situation, versus demands, those things change the dynamics. Watch the panel on race and Police Issues police and Race Relations on cspan and cspan. Org. The cspan radio app makes it easy to continue to follow the 2016 election wherever you are. It is free to download on the Apple App Store or google play. Coverage and uptotheminute information on cspan radio and cspan stay uptodate on all the election coverage. Cspans radio app means you always have cspan on the go. Washington journal continues. Host here to talk politics, is kyle with the university of virginias center for politics, also the author of the bellwether, why ohio picks the president. We will broaden that to the battleground states, but we will start there since you have written a book on ohio and Hillary Clinton Just Launched her campaign into pennsylvania and ohio. What makes it so important . Guest it has been a microcosm of the nation ever since it was founded. It was the 17th state in the union, but some people call it the First American state because it had new englanders sub settling the northeastern, southerners settling the southwest, it has remained that microcosm and it very close to the National Average. If it skews a little from the National Average, it is more republican and that is why you hear the famous line that no republican has won the white house without ohio. Trump once the white house, he has to win ohio. Host you said we should expect the Clinton Campaign to run a textbook race, focusing almost exclusively on states likely to decide the election. Candidates health postconvention visits in 12 states, and a third of those in a single state, ohio. She started off there, how about the approach of the Trump Campaign . Guest they have also been hitting some important swing states, although i believe donald trump is going to be campaigning in new york state which does not make a whole lot of sense. Is it that he wants to compete in his home state, but new york is a state that typically votes in the high Single Digits more democrat than the nation. Donald trump wins new york, it means he is almost winning every state which is not where the race is. Host the conventions are over, talk about a postconvention bounce for donald trump after the convention in cleveland. Polls are out now after philadelphia. A headline from cbs, Hillary Clinton gets a slight bump across the battleground state, coming out of the convention answering the bump trump got. A pushes clinton back to narrow lead, overall, standing at 43 support, ahead of trumps 41 trumps 41 . Guest when he to let things settle down a little bit. If you look at a number of different polls, clinton is getting a decent sized bounds. Typical ort the average medium bounce has been about five points for both parties over the past several cycles. Clinton is doing a little bit better than that, but i would advise little caution. Advise a little caution. Clinton had a solid five point lead nationally about a month ago. We will see if she can regain that and hold it. If she were to, that would show that she is heading to a victory along the lines of what obama won. The we invite your participation. 202 7488001 four republicans republicans. 202 7488000 for democrats. 202 7488002 for independents. What is the crystal ball . Guest a nonpartisan newspaper. We typically come out every thursday, and we do ratings of Electoral College, the housesenate, and try to predict the winners and sort of track the state of the race. It is not just about handicapping, it is a broader look at american politics. Host back to ohio, it seems to fit neatly in the economic message of both the Clinton Campaign and the Trump Campaign, that it is partly ground zero of the stalled american economy. Guest there are parts of ohio that are not doing as well economically. There is some thought that donald trump could make some significant inroads that are places in places that are historically democratic. Is your ohio near the pennsylvania border. A lot ofide is that people think of ohio as being this kind of rust belt state and not doing well economically, but there are parts of ohio that are doing well, and there are a lot of wealthy, typically republican leaning suburbs in places like cleveland and cincinnati. That are typically republican, that may be donald trump will not do as well as mitt romney. He might be gaining in the valley, but losing in the suburbs and maybe it just cancel the elf out. Host that is a different approach for democrats. Charles schumer did the new york incoming leader and talked about that and in appealing to pennsylvania to republicans in the suburbs, would this have been done by democrats in the past . Guest i think donald is a different type of republican. Mitt romney was kind of a stereotypical republican does he was a wealthy business guide who acted like a wealthy business guy. Donald trump is, too, but he is rough around the edges and hold less conventional republican views. The map could get scrambled and i do think the democrats are going to try to make inroads in which is a lot of places that are typically republican. Athael bloombergs speech the convention, in particular was targeted at those kind of suburban republicans who may not like Hillary Clinton, but might also be turned off by donald trump. Host i refer to the piece in the hill, titled why the number of swing states is dwindling and what are those swing states . , you in the 1976 election had 20 states the cited by five points or less. , a lead little bit less close of a race, you only had four states decided by five points or less. What we have seen generally is the states are becoming more polarized and i think politics are becoming more politics politics are becoming more polarized. Beas and illinois used to states that would vote closer to National Average and now ohio has always been voting close to the National Average. The difference between now and 50 years ago is you see a lot do you see a lot of states like ohio and the answer is no. Host making the states more red or blue . Is onlyhe redistricting really important for the house, but you do have an interesting scenario in states like ohio or pennsylvania or those are states that voted for barack obama twice. Pennsylvania is generally a little more democratic than the nation, but in ohio, republicans have a 12 to four advantage in the house. As democrats try to take the house back, they are kind of stuck in some of these states because you would think that a future Democratic House majority would have more than four or five seats. And lets brought that out get to lets broaden that out and get to your calls. Mickey on the independent line in new jersey. You, on National Security, i think the biggest threat to our National Security right now, watching the selection and politics as a whole, i think the biggest threat to our National Security is conspiracies to tamper with and rig our president ial election. Im 61 years old and i have paid attention to politics. I am independent. I have paid attention for the last 45 years. What i have seen this election, from the beginning seems like a fix. The media is not reporting news, they are reporting personal opinions, and everything is getting spun. As far as the hacking on the dnc , yes it is a crime to hack, and we should find out who hack that , but we also need to pay facts that were leaked, which point to a conspiracy to rig a president ial election. Host we will let you go, there. The russian hack entering into the conversation as an issue in the campaign. Guest as though the callers point, i do think that Cyber Security is definitely something that our lawmakers should be focused on and i think these hacks at the dnc and other things have sort of brought that into focus. As to whether the election was rigged or not, i dont see much wouldce of that, and it be one thing if Hillary Clinton had beaten Bernie Sanders by a point, but she won by double was the dnc more supportive of Hillary Clinton then Bernie Sanders . That is probably right, but i dont know if it if it was that meaningful as in the result. Host our next call is in maryland. Caller with our current election, i think what it comes down to is a leader who actually understands foreign and domestic policy as it currently stands, as well as how it has been over the past arguably two decades. When it comes down to Foreign Policy, we need a leader who understands Relationship Building as well as things like our current military involvement that may not necessarily be shared with the American Public. On the domestic side, we have issues like gun control, discrimination and currently, i believe that Hillary Clinton would be the best leader to get us through that. It is not a matter of republican versus democrat versus independent. I hope the American Public actually looks at other candidates across party lines in the future. As it stands with two candidates, i think Hillary Clinton can get the job done. Ebody mentioned con man Donald Trumps response, his question of even have you even read the constitution, all of that was a simple question, it was not necessarily an attack and for donald trump to respond is not just he did disappointing, it is embarrassing to our nation. Host thank you for your call. Is the introduction of the thirdparty candidate like jill stein or gary johnson, is there any sign so far that either of those are making any inroads . Thet typically when thirdparty candidates are in the poll, they take about evenly from the two Major Party Candidates and i will say that if jill stein were to gain in strength, the green partys more liberal and you would think that would hurt Hillary Clinton a little bit more and she has to be concerned that may be at least some small number of the disaffected Bernie Sanders supporters might go to jill stein. There was a cbs poll that had clinton up seven, nationally but it was five when jill stein and gary johnson work in it were in it. Host we welcome your comments as well on twitter. Cspan junkie asks about ohio, will kasich get over his issue with trump . What is the governors role in the campaign . Guest it was striking that we had john kasich, the popular republican governor in ohio who was a pretty biggest are in cleveland who does not even speak at the convention and shows how deep the divide is between kasich and donald trump. The Republican Party is almost an arm of the kasich political operation in that the chairman of the ohio Republican Party is a big kasich supporter, and given that trump does not have much of a ground operation, you would think you would need the support of the ohio real Republican Party. The thing that might bring kasich and trump together in ohio is that kasich wants to get senator rob portman reelected. Best way to get portman reelected is for trump to win the state, because you would expect portman to run a little bit ahead of trump so if trump wins ohio, you would think that portman would be in goods shape good shape. At somets take a look of those, the senate races that you have. We go next to chicago and hear from kathleen on our democrat line. Caller please hear me out, because this is important. Khan came of the dnc, he spoke about his son and all he asked was have you ever read the constitution . Donald trump could not even take that. Rnc, fastforward to the one of the mothers the lost her benghazi, he said he personally blamed Hillary Clinton for her sons death. It Hillary Clinton come out and talk nasty to her . Say all kinds of ugly things to her . She said she understood this womans pain. You cannot stand to your some ask you if you read the constitution and you want to be head of a party . I hate donald trump saying he wants to bring jobs back. Why dont you go on that little computer and pull up all the jobs that donald trump could be adding right now with his businesses, to bring back to america and get the people in ohio and wherever he is talking about a lack of jobs. His ties, his suits, you cannot keep hiding stuff like that. Host thank you for that. Any thoughts . Donaldthis stuff with trump and the con family shows that he cannot just let anything go. Even if somebody disagrees with them, they can gracefully try to end the conversation or with the family, they could see i this reason i disagree with your assessment of my qualification but thought trump just keeps going and i think it makes it hard for him to whatever method she has to get that out, he just he never lets a go. Host managing editor of the crystal ball at the center of politics at the university of virginia. You mentioned the rob portman race in ohio. Play, sixix states in tossups. We talked about the ohio race. Run us through the other ones you are keeping your eye on. Guest senate is 5446 republican. There are some republican seats that are already leaning democrat. We think the democrats are favored. You have a bunch of tossups. Six of them, five are controlled by republicans, the other three are controlled by democrats. Jumps just jumped back into the senate, running in indiana in that race is a tossup. Rob portman running for reelection in pennsylvania. Pat toomey running, marco rubio in florida. All of those states with the exception of indiana are president ial swing states, once you would expect the winning candidate to win or come close and there is high correlation between president ial and senate voting, so you might expect the president ial winner to my field to carry their Senate Candidates across the finish line. What will be different is if donald trump does lose the election, it may be that voters may see donald trump as different from their Senate Republican incumbent. If donald trump wins, i would expect the republicans to hold the senate and house. Host guest there is a whole lot of money you might expect to come in on behalf of the president ial candidate that might not be there. They will spend a lot of money on republicans and the senate, but not necessarily for trump. Host john a republican in connecticut. Caller thank you for having me. My question is, it does not look atatter, you republicans becoming big deficit spenders, the thyroid a dollar by two thirds. 1990, the berlin wall came down, we are at the peak of our foreign power and our gdp was 40 of the world. 2008, all of our systematic deregulation endorsed by republican democrats since 1980 resulted in the 2008 financial crisis which is essentially making europe totally broke. And the ratio is 125 u. S. Gdp has not been that high since 1946. Looking across the oceans, china has built islands hundreds of , which is ahe coast big flashpoint. U. S. Gdp has gone from 40 of the world to 17 . China has gone to about 1 . It is clear that this trend with china will continue and they will be larger than us both on a gaap basis and militarily on a gdp basis and militarily. Guest one of the things we saw at the dnc is is the country and decline or not . The donald Trump Campaign would argue that it is. The Democratic Convention was a much more up beat a fair upbeat affair. It seems like it is almost a role reversal in that the democrats can sometimes come off as the party of gloom and doom and the republicans are the more Patriotic Party and it was totally flipped in the last conventions. What the caller gets at is, which vision is right and what people what do people was aly believe . There lot of pessimism, but there are a lot of people doing pretty well. We are seeing this gap between noncollege whites and College Educated whites and the reason for that is after the recession, collegeeducated whites did a lot better than not collegeeducated whites and the question is, whos vision comes through in this election . Host because the jobs were there . Guest thats right, so recovery for some people, not necessarily for all. That feeling was quite clear about the pessimism versus optimism, but from a more fundamental standpoint, republicans are arguing for change, democrats arguing for continuity. Host we talked to the governor who helped clinton get elected and here is what he had to say. If the Electoral College map and i could say the argument is, we can have more states in play than we have seen in a long time. You hear about arizona. Senator mccain said he is in a very tough race. If you look at the senate map, the opportunities that exist in north carolina, which has been more difficult recently. , presentinggeorgia a huge opportunity. Can the democrats win if they lose pennsylvania and ohio . That makes the map much more difficult and that is what the Trump Campaign manager i to figure out. Nowinia, very solid right in north carolina, the numbers have been consistently up or us. It is tight, but in our favor in florida. If you take ohio and that isa those the only hope donald trump has and they are trying to figure out how to work those workingclass white males to bring them to their side. Get them excited to come out and vote for them. That is what they want to do, but i do believe pennsylvania i was just with the governor and i asked him that question and he said trust me, we are going to win the commonwealth. The only hope donald trump has is to take a couple of those states away from us. Host what did you think of the governors insight . Guest i thought it was pretty realistic and that Donald Trumps best possibility to win the white house is not simple. You take mitt romneys 206 electoral votes in the only close state among those was north carolina. 206 and you had ohio, pennsylvania and lorna and that gets donald trump to 273. Ohio and pennsylvania have that rust belt character. The message that would win ohio and pennsylvania is not this not necessarily the one you would use in lorna, particularly because i do think that virginia look like a great state for donald trump and states like colorado, which has all mail voting as in mailin ballots. Has is an innovation that helped democrats in states Like Washington and oregon and generally increases turnout. Virginia and colorado may be trending away from republicans and that leaves donald trump with ohio, pennsylvania and florida. Maybe he could make bigger inroads in the midwest. Host we will get back to calls and hear from tom in california, independent. Caller everybody is talking about hillary and how experienced she is and all the years she has been in office. Emails, sheut the should have known better and what the russians have an able to hack into the government servers like that, i dont think so. What are these people talking about with hillary being the best for the job. How much money is she receiving from these countries that dont even like women . Host a reminder to viewers to turn down the television or radio when you call in. Aboutllers point experience, is it helping or hurting hillary . Guest i would say overall it is helping, although her national or ability is only a little bit better than donald trump. Clinton has paid a significant political price for this email scandal. She did not get indicted which is positive for her, but her numbers started to colonel a little bit after the James Comey Press Conference colonel curdle a little bit after the James Comey Press Conference. There is a path for donald trump and it has a lot to do with imputing her personal credibility. Host he talked about the wall street journal, looking at the travel schedule for the president ial ticket and a look at the disco candidates on their bus tour. In swing plan stops states and the republicans announced a less traditional itinerary. Clinton plans to campaign today. N nebraska she will also visit colorado on wednesday and nevada on thursday. Tim kaine will visit virginia, florida and north carolina. The Clinton Campaign hopes he will prove adept at connecting with workingclass white voters. Donald trump hold the in ohio and pennsylvania. His stops later in the week include maine and new york. Maine divides some of its electoral votes by Congressional District. Explain that to us. Guest in 2008, barack obama theally won Congressional District in nebraska and got an additional vote. Has there has been some talk that he could compete in maines Second District which is a pretty rural and white district, although i believe his Campaign Stop is in portland, maine. I am not quite sure how that i dont think it is crazy for clinton to be campaigning in nebraska, i dont think it is crazy to be campaigning in certain parts of maine. The new york thing i dont really get because there is just not really any indication that new york is in play. Host do you think he was emboldened by his big primary wins on the east coast . Guest it could be, but primaries are not general elections. I think he will do fine in upstate new york, but new york city will be problematic for his candidacy. Caller thank you for taking my call. I have been watching this for a long time and you have a caller that said the emails are hurting Hillary Clinton. What people dont know i worked as a security manager or Security Officer for 32 years with the government, 20 in the military, and the rest as a civilian. The security manager or Security Officer for that area that Hillary Clinton and the state department worked in had to a credit the system. Thats the guy who made the mistake and that is the guy they should be looking at. Every command i ever worked with had insecurities within their system, and that is simply because whatever goes out on a wire, through the air or is discussed in unsecured room can be tapped. The nsa knows it, the dia knows it, so doesknows the Army Security agency that i was a part of. Going to the comments that have been going on the past few days. Donald trump make one big mistake when he attacked the khan family. Guy was a veteran, he died defending our country and what was going through Donald Trumps had to do Something Like that . He has gotten 12 million americans on the republican circus train and the bridge is out of ahead. I hope that the whole nation votes democratic from the top of the ticket down to the bottom of the ticket. Host that is jim in california. We appreciate your calls. Ts. Ouple of twee that anyone seriously believe that democrats wont win back the senate . Certainly not the sentiment washington journal . Send th ment tient washington journal. You are showing no tossups in house races across the country. Guest we do have some tossups, but a very small number, and the outlook right now is fully about a gain of about 10 to 15 seats for democrats in the house, but that would be far short of the 30 they need. One way to track the National House race is through the house generic ballot polling which you planks voters do to vote democrat or republican in the local house race and democrats have been doing decently in some of these polls. The democrats need about 10 points plus on that to really compete for the house, but it is possible that clinton ends up winning by a bigger margin the house looked pretty decent for the republicans, but we have a way to go. Host you think the numbers could pick up again . Guest im thinking low double digits, but there is some room for that to change in the next few months. Host ohio, debbie on the republican line. Caller thank you for taking my call. My concern is the Electoral College and its makeup. We have 3113 counties in the United States and obama won with less than 900 of them. In wisconsin alone, in the last election, obama won 11 of 16 counties and he still won the state. We are now the noted cities of america. Seven cities can elect a president and that was never the intention of the balance of our in our constitution. We need a major change. We will need a constitutional amendment or something to change that and i dont know if people realize how jilted tilted the American College has become to the urban populations and i would like your review of that type of information. We do have one person, one vote, and just because there are one Million People that live in one county and 500 and the other, it does not mean those entities should be treated the same. Have a like ohio, you requirement that one county have a state legislator but what that did is it made the rural areas much more power all because otherwise, some counties would not have the population to merit even a single state legislator. I dont think you should treat one county the same as the other. The counties are these artifacts of when the states were founded and unify the state up in a certain way, but if anything, i think the Electoral College gives a little bit of benefit to some of the states with smaller populations. Each state is guaranteed at three electoral both and if it was not for that, some states and only have one like montana or the north dakota. Or north dakota. Look at the senate, wyoming gets the same number of senators as despiteia, is that fair california having many times the number of people . I do think that certain rural states may be overrepresented. Saying that the headlines say another dialectal map, they write that donald trump confronting a daunting electoral map and a significant financial disadvantage and comparing to fall back from a expansive National Campaign and concentrate the bulk of his time and money on three or four states that his campaign believes he must sweep in order to win the presidency. Even as he has ticked up in national polls, Senior Republicans say his path to the votes needed for election have group has grown even more narrow and now looks exceedingly difficult for him. President obama won all three swing states in 2008 in 2012. No republicans have won pennsylvania in nearly three decades. Host guest you can see the dissidents in the trunk campaign is you have very respected reporters talking about the truck people seeing a narrow map and yet donald trump is going to be in new york state. What is the actual plan . In terms of that analysis, i think it is right. It is either ohio, pennsylvania and lorna, or a path through the midwest and florida, or a path through the midwest. Also, donald trump needs to hold onto north carolina, which was very close in 2012 and clinton is probably either tied therefore leading. In north carolina, there is just not a path for donald trump. Host we go to pennsylvania on the democrats line, kathy. Caller good morning. I would like to say i do not understand the way this country is thinking with a registered i have been a registered democrat all my life, that i have never seen anything like this. Lifetime seenn my such a biased media. I just cannot believe it. I will not be voting democrat this time. As far as experience if we will talk about experience. Experience in what . Experience in lies and deception. Experience in benghazi and having our people left . Why would anybody want that kind of experience . Host how can the Clinton Campaign plug the holes of voters who are going to donald trump . Guest it seems like there may be a fair number of people who are registered democrats who voted for obama twice or maybe kind of more like when you call the socalled reagan demonstrate reagan democrats. There will be some folks who end up going from the democrats to donald trump, in part because he is a different kind of republican and their bb and there may be a lot of them in places like northeastern pennsylvania. The way the democrats make up for that is they try to pull in some typically Republican Voters in places like rick greater philadelphia and columbus. The question is, how does that balance out . If donald trump can add a bunch of disaffected democrats and maintain mitt romneys numbers in the suburbs, he can win states like ohio. Host what are some of the trends you are looking for, particularly in these swing states . Where im curious to see the polls are in a couple of weeks, because the convention balances. Ask convention bounces will settle downwe will be looking at Campaign Ad Spending in a lot of swing states and the visits that the candidates takewe will also be taking a look at the debates. That assumes there are debates. There have been in every election since 1976, but there is some indication. Donald trump was complaining over the weekend about what the schedule will look like. Is that a way for him to make an argument that he will not participate . We talk about the Campaign Spending and the socalled ground game in some of the states. Clinton will have more of that than trump. The question is, does that matter all that much . I do think that the court Trump Supporters may be pretty fired up to vote. The question is, how many of them are there and are there enough to tip states like pennsylvania and ohio . Host we look forward to having you back. Managing editor of the crystal ball at the university of virginias center for politics. You can follow him on twitter. More washington journal is ahead on cspan this morning. Up next, we talk to Patrick Tucker, Technology Editor for defense one. Here to go more indepth about what we know about the dnc email hack and russias role. Stier from the center for president ial transition. He will talk to us about about preparations under way for the next president in january. Decubitus did you miss any of the democratic or Republican Conventions . Go to cspan. Org to find every speech from both conventions. Videos from each day of both conventions along with convention highlights. Click on the speech you want to watch. You can clip any speech and share on social media. Cspan. Org is your most comprehensive guide. On saturday, august 6, cspans issue spotlight looks at police and Race Relations. When the bullets started flying, the men and women of the Dallas Police did not flinch. And they did not react recklessly. South Carolina Republican senator tim scott giving a speech on the senate floor about his own interactions with police. The vast majority of the time i was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or some other reason just as trivial. Our program also includes one familys story about an encounter with police in washington, d. C. Followed by a panel with the citys police chief, cathy lanier. Most people get defensive if they feel you are being offensive. Request versusl, demand, those things change the dynamic. Watch our special saturday, august 6 on 8 00 p. M. On cspan. Continues. Journal host Patrick Tucker is Technology Editor with defense one. After theeek Democratic Convention was severely impacted by dnc email leaks reportedly by the russians. The fallout from that what do we know of russias involvement in those leaks . The case for russian state involvement is really quite strong. Strike one on june 14 the company that the dnc called in to investigate what they believed was hacking activity on their internal network. They come out with a report saying we believe its these two actors, known by the Cyber Security community for a while now to be affiliated with russian intelligence agencies. They publish a lot of their forensic findings. Two, other Cyber Security Companies Look through the findings, essentially endorsed them. Companiesr security that under normal situations would be competing basically endorsing their findings. Third you have the ic essentially leaking to the New York Times they have high confidence that russian statesponsored hacking groups were behind this particular hack. Then you have this wikileaks revelation of them which can be traced in a slightly more circumstantial but still clear way back to the original theft of the property. Its really pretty remarkable. Set a patterns for russia in terms of the way they have operated in other arenas . Have we seen this in the areas of commerce and military secrets etc. . Guest part of the reason these groups are so well known to Cyber Security professionals is because of the targets they have chosen. They choose targets that would be of interest to russia. It is also the group known to be behind the hack into the state department. The white house nonclassified system. This is something i covered. The joint chiefs of staff civilian system. Nonetheless an important email system for the joint chiefs of staff. They tend to pick military targets that would be of interest to the russian state. In terms of using that stolen information in a way to influence an election, they have used it to target journalists that were reporting on political processes in places like georgia. This is a first for american politics. Believed strongly to be statesponsored using stolen information to have some sort of effect or influence on the United States election. The ultimate motive remains something we can discuss. It is still mostly speculation. Host Patrick Tucker joining us to look at the russian hacks of the dnc and the possible impact on the 2016 campaign. 202 7488001 for republicans. 202 7488000 for democrats. 202 7488002 for all others. Hack. Nt just the dnc we learned about another set of another hacking problem. They suspected breach of another democratic organization, the Democratic Congressional campaign committee. The intrusion that appears to be carried out by the same Russian Intelligence Service that attacked the dnc later this year. Are targeting multiple institutions at the heart of american politics. The fbi is looking into a potential breach by the same actors on the Hillary Clinton campaign. This is something in line with the way we know this group works. If the same group is behind this suspected breach, that would be in line with normal behavior. Its when they release something and use it strategically that it becomes sort of unprecedented. The actual breaking into another countrys political i. T. Infrastructure, that is less unusual. That is modernday Information Warfare. Host you have a piece that ran tint week how pu weaponize wikileaks to influence the election of an american president. What do you mean by that . Guest it comes from a guy named tom weaver. It is a trend we have seen. Wikileaks is essentially a platform that allows people to publish information or data. Wikileaks says they are able to anonymize the source. What appears to have happened here is a platform that was intended for a long time to serve as a valuable publishing platform for whistleblowers was essentially used by a state power to influence the election of an american president. The fact that wikileaks as a information source says we are going to publish stolen information, we will be able to cloud attribution to the source, thats what made it so attractive for this purpose. I think it sets a disturbing precedent. Host i want to get your reaction to Julian Assange. The founder of wikileaks refuting the claims that have been made against wikileaks in terms of releasing these emails. They have made untrue statements. That hillaryrising clinton makes untrue statements. A few days ago she made a didement that james comey not say that she was sloppy in the handling of her emails when there is footage everywhere of james comey telling congress precisely that. Unfortunately you cant trust what Hillary Clinton says. Wikileaks, we are in a very difficult position. We have a perfect 10 year record of always presenting Accurate Information to the public. Thats the best in any media whatsoever. We also have a perfect record in never exposing our sources. Occasionally alleges sources step forward themselves. Host Patrick Tucker, what did you think of Julian Assanges defense . Guest he has become a pretty fascinating purpose in a couple of weeks and have dismayed a lot of people that formerly considered him an ally of journalistic causes and transparency. Ont is so fascinating is june 15, one day after crowd strike publish their analysis of the hack into the dnc, wikileaks published a tweet touting the claims made by a shadowy thirdparty naming themselves after a famous romanian hacker. He says, i was the lone hacker into the dnc. Thank you for treating this crowd strike to russian actors. It was only me. How this person can say it was only him clearly indicates some sort of agenda. He says, im going to publish 200 pages of emails to wikileaks. Ikileaks proudly tweeted that he has since been linked i think quite convincingly back to russia. Has way, Julian Assange already revealed at least a potential source, one that he was very proud to talk about on june 15. It has since become sort of an issue for them. I have been in conversation with wikileaks the past couple of days online in an open exchange that everyone can see. I have asked them several times, yes or no, did you take any steps to verify this potential source was not acting on behalf of any state power . They have answered a few different ways but they have not given me a yes or no answer yet and i think that is incredibly telling. Patrick have calls for tucker. Lets hear from dave in florida on the republican line. Caller good morning. I would be interested in your perspective. Do you think that the russians look sloppy by leaving a footprint or fingerprint in there . That they did that on purpose . They potentially have already gone in and gotten the hillary personal emails but done it in a way that they are not going to leave a fingerprint . And the reason they are not letting that out is that my provide information to the u. S. About how they are getting into peoples computers . Guest thank you for the call. It is a really interesting wrinkle in this case. One of the pieces of purported evidence that the hacker made public in june to support his claim that he was one of the hackers was a document. In that document it was related to trump opposition research. In that document there is a tag that shows the document was , signed if you will, by a particular party. Iron felix. Which is the old Russian Secret Police outfit. There is a literal Russian Police signature metatag on one of the documents. Its incredibly odd. How could you be this savvy and then sign a piece of evidence you are throwing up as you are pretending to be a romanian hacker . Its really curious. I can only speculate. I talked to a fellow named porter. This is a Cyber Security company that first identified these actors. He points out that this is part of why operation is so effective right now. You can telegraph to the entire Cyber Security community and policymakers that, just maybe you can do this, you can go in, take email, take data related to the dnc. Potentially a former secretary of state and former first lady and publish it. But the direct chain of attribution is something you can cloud. Even though everybody will be screaming saying the trail is really clear, there is enough confusion to avoid any consequences for you. I think this is something the idea that there is, attempting to communicate or telegraph a certain capability, this is an idea gaining traction among Cyber Security professionals. Comey fbi director left it unclear as to whether Hillary Clintons private email server had been hacked. What do we know about that . Guest we dont know very much. This is something i imagine we are going to learn more about in the fall. We dont have any evidence because no one has published any evidence to suggest Hillary Clintons private server was hacked. Host your sense is that something could be published this fall . Guest it is entirely speculation. We are keeping in mind that ,hese two particular groups Hillary Clintons Operational Security practices, that i cant get into. The comments from james comey are clear. Its hard to imagine there is a target that is actually beyond their capability to reach. They also broke into the state department. If she was using more conventional means for transferring information as clearly she has indicated she and you candone, decide for yourself whether that is a disqualifying factor, even if she had gone with a conventional system for information transference, that doesnt necessarily mean her emails would have been perfectly safe. Host kevin is in the Nations Capital on the democrats line. For hopping on this call. Heres my thing. We are talking about russian involvement in the dnc emails. But if these emails were not dirty to begin with we wouldnt even have an issue on our hands. We would be talking about russia and why is it that the American Government cant seem to get its Technology Game right when we have Silicon Valley within our borders . Why cant we call them in to do better when it comes to our Security Systems . But before we get into all of that, these emails show there was clear collusion between the media and the Hillary Clinton campaign. And this is coming from a democrat. I am 24 years old. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter still to this day. This is the kind of stuff that is going to make Hillary Clinton susceptible to losing one of the worst candidates in donald trump. Host we will get a response. Thank you. Guest the content of the email that is something i did not tackle as much in my reporting because i am not a political reporter. I am a technology reporter. They arent pretty. They do indicate strongarming of the media at very least. Im not sure i would say collusion. They do show an attempt to influence the story. I think they kind of show typical washington politics in all its unsavoriness. Does it reveal anything about the dncs practices in terms of Cyber Security . Guest that is a good question. I asked the president of the company the dnc called in to fix this, what was the security like in that environment . Thats a good story waiting to come out. What he told me there was security in the environment. Its his client. Hes not going to bring the client. Clearly it was not sufficient. He said there was security on the environment. They took the first step. These groups are incredibly sophisticated. You can read the original report of them. Its incredible. Its marvelous the level of complexity in these tools they are using. The malware actually detects when it is being sandboxed. It is very cutting edge Malware Detection software. It is identifying it as potential malware based on anomalous behavior and it stopped that behavior. This is the cutting edge of a cyber intrusion and this is part of the reason so many people are pointing it to a probable state actor. Host what does that term mean, sandboxed . Is when you are talking about malware, a security suite will confine within a virtual environment to see what the malware does essentially when no one is looking at it. The security suite can identify it as being something that is bad for the overall system but isnt sure what it is, it can confine it within a virtual space and then see what it does when left unattended. This Software Actually detects that and then changes its behavior as a result of that. It is like watching evolution in a petri dish. Ist Patrick Tucker Technology Editor at defense one. We will hear from the republican line. Good morning. Caller thank you for taking my call. I want to support the last caller talking about the overall transparency issue and the media manipulation by the dnc and hillary campaign. Because i think it cuts down to the story itself. Is this media manipulation from the dnc to begin with about the russian angle most people i think believe that almost all security hacks, major hacks are spoofed out of russia or china. Maybe even including our own attacks on countries to hide where this is coming from. Potentialked about metadata in the hack that kind of demonstrates it is coming from russia, the old security agencies in russia, it looks more and more like a false flag than anything. Wikileaks i think has routinely been posting things from all sorts of state actors. I have heard many times people think that Even Wikileaks is a front for our own u. S. Intelligence to leaked documents that they want to get out leak documents that they want to get out. Guest a preponderance of confusing evidence does not decrease the validity of the evidence we know exists. I take the callers point that was sort of confusing but the actual false flag was the purported romanian hacker who when asked to request direct questions by a reporter in romanian was unable to answer in romanian. Attempting tor influence a u. S. Election through the use of stolen data is an issue of National Purity security concern regardless of party. It is in the Public Interest to talk about it reveal so i went ahead and did that as did everybody else. By outsidewikileaks state actors in order to influence world events, that is an idea that i think you could probably find a couple different examples of that potentially having happened in the past. That looks more like the case here. Again it involves like, my country. I took particular interest in that item of news value. When you talkat, about attacks like this part of the reason they are so lucrative right now is you can reach 80 certainty through all of this evidence. Real attribution, bringing the kremlin to the command that goes to execute this, that chain of command will remain opaque and that creates just enough plausible deniability to have this be affected but also completely unattributable. Host wayne in West Virginia. Go ahead. Caller lets go to actions instead of words. Nobody apparently remembers what james comey testified to when Hillary Clinton carried her personal handheld into hostile territory. It seems to me like if you had the passwords and the codes, you wouldnt need to hack a computer. He said there was a high probability that her handhelds and personals were compromised. Nobodys bringing that point up. Like i said, actions speak the hell of a lot louder than words. Host are those devices really more susceptible . Guest i would say russias ability to penetrate handheld in a variety of different settings is unprecedented. These guys are the worldclass cyber Information Warfare powerhouses. It is something we should be asking questions about. Once that information has some sort of impact like what happened here than it is going to gain traction as a media story. This also speaks to why this works so well right now. Every day we are talking about how many millions of different cyber attack attempt, different institutions are constantly thwarting back. An impactwhen it has that we are able to talk about it in a broader context of this happened here, this is the potential cause, here is the impact of it. Forward, we see different state actors actually utilizing information stolen from lawmakers, politicians, even from institutions in a way that is operationally effective is when we talk about it more concretely. Host sherry is on the republican line in san francisco. Caller good morning. Contents ofre the . He email not more of an issue it the techniques of who did have now become the subject . Hillary clinton yesterday in a News Conference quite angrily mentioned that, i have earned more votes than Bernie Sanders and mr. Trump. When there is so much question about the integrity of the campaign, why are we not discussing the facts and more discussing the hows which many of us believe are less relevant . Guest i think theres a lot of people discussing the facts and contents of those emails. They resulted in the resignation of Debbie Wasserman schultz. They continue to be part of the political discussion. I think it is somewhat unprecedented and definitely worth talking about a foreign proxiesing a variety of including a whistleblowing platform to release stolen information in a way that influences the election. I do think that is worth talking about as well. I dont see a conversation about the contents of those emails people are already losing their jobs. That is a story that is going to continue. Host a couple of comments and questions on twitter. S, why isepst Julian Assange able to use stolen information to influence a president ial election . Asks, how come apple and other Big Companies never get hacked and trade secrets revealed . Is it a Good Practice for the media to oppose the publishing of truth simply because it may advantage or disadvantage a candidate . Feel free to respond. Guest i will take the last one first. At various points wikileaks has gone about revealing information that probably wasnt of Public Interest and you could make a case that this information as well was within the Public Interest to reveal. Its not necessarily one i would endorse but its not one i would throw away out of hand. , the issue with attributing this back to a foreign power is really sort of key. Wikileaks continues to insist that they cant identify or know for certain that the information that came to them came by way of a state actor even though they were actually probably talking about their source. I think you do have some obligation to at least know who gave you stolen property if you are going to disclose it in the interest of the public. I think that is a journalistic baseline. Even Edward Snowden the other day who didnt use wikileaks in order to reveal the information that he absconded from the nsa, that has resulted in well, a change in law, and some important changes in law and some would argue not enough change yet. Even he didnt use wikileaks as his method of disclosure. He went through the Washington Post and of course the guardian. He has criticized wikileaks for the manner in which they have actually made this revelation. If you cant pass muster with him in terms of how you are disclosing stolen information, i think your circle of allies is getting really small really fast. Journale wall street picked up on that. When mr. Snowden first went on the lam, wikileaks supported his cause. Mr. Snowden tweeted that wikileakss hostility to even modest duration is a mistake. In this case what he is not referring to is the content of those emails that were embarrassing to the dnc. He is probably in favor of that transparency. What he is reacting to is the publication of personally identifiable information in that data dump which has also angered a lot of people in the Technology Community who would probably be supportive of the wikileaks cause including myself. I think the cause is very sound and important but the method by which they did this has left a lot of people with a very cold feeling. Host we go to james in alabama on the independent line. Caller good morning. Aboutll of these stories dnc hack and now the clinton hack, next itll be clintons grandbaby hack. To me its like they are inoculating themselves or attempting to inoculate themselves for windows 32,000 those 32,000en emails that clinton deleted come out. Anyone with any common sense thed know that the fbi, Justice Department spent a whole year investigating that. Agency National Security at a certain point realized there were secret and classified information that was on that server. No way they could leave those 32,000 emails running around floating around out there. They went in somewhere and found those emails. If you recall about two years ago there was a law passed about the government collecting metadata. Remember they were building this big building to store metadata. Even if they go back through that metadata and get those emails, there is no way they let those 32,000 emails floating around out there float around out there saying they dont know what was on the. M. Guest there was a law passed in 2014, 2015 that obliges the government to no longer bulk store metadata but it is by definition different from the content seven email so that is in them contents of an email so that is an important point. It can be queried by the Intelligence Community with a fisa letter. It is easier to know what you are looking for when you have the entire set in front of you. By definition metadata is different than email content. We talk about whether or not Hillary Clintons missing emails are going to suddenly show up in the new cycle and whether its going to be a russian actor, all i can say is it would certainly give me a good weekend of writing. Also Operational Security of the dnc and Hillary Clinton here i think is an issue worth talking about. I dont think its the ultimate issue anyone should necessarily vote on. If that is a passion to you, maybe it is. There were some mistakes that the Clinton Campaign made. We dont know the level of Operational Security or Software Security that existed on the dnc servers. It wasnt sufficient to stop one of the greatest hacking groups that exists on this planet right now. Clearly they could have done a little bit more. It is something Going Forward we have to all be aware of. This is becoming harder to defend against if you are the kind of target that is incredibly attractive to a state like russia. Host we go to new jersey and the republican line. Caller hi. I am what you would call a moderate republican. It has been touched on as i have been listening what you have basically here forget all the data and the technology is a hostile foreign country trying to influence the sovereignty of an american election. I would feel this way if they had hacked Donald Trumps emails or his technology. It is a foreign hostile country with an agenda trying to influence an american election. Julian assange is speaking from london. He is speaking from the embassy of ecuador where he is a fugitive from justice from sweden and he is afraid of being extradited to america. Host your comments are reflected in this tweet. Most thinking americans think russia hacking our political system is 1000 times more serious than email content. Guest right. Echoed a sentiment also by a conservative writer who on the eve of the convention basically said, i think a foreign power breaking into the dnc and publishing stolen information to influence an far greater news value and consequence than anything that is going to happen in the dnc this weekend. You could probably find folks in the National Security community who would say the same. The attempted theft of information from other , this is something we know russia does and china does. There are folks at fort meade and that is their job too. To change an electoral outcome in a democratic election, that is unprecedented. Host the National Security response, the Financial Times has a piece this morning. The attack raises questions over deterrence options. Hack has presented the administration with its most difficult dilemma as it tries to establish a new doctrine of cyber deterrence. It places the administration in a minefield of different problems including intelligence reluctance toficialss disclose information about cyber attacks. Guest exactly. Workss why this operation so perfectly at this moment in time. There are so few policy options in response. If you go about making a really ironclad case you do reveal methods and tactics and means and that is something the nsa doesnt want to do. One of the most fascinating things to come out of this is Edward Snowden saying, the nsa could very easily answer the question of attribution. They could simply use this particular program that i disclosed in my revelation and in doing so they could disclose that they have this program. That is part of the calculus the government has to entertain in their response to this. A wide there are such variety of responses, simply acknowledging attribution prompts them to do something. Any sort of formal attribution is going to be a Long Time Coming and that gives cover to groups like this to continue their operations. This was a wild success. Host jim is in akron, ohio on the democrat line. Caller i am wondering if the government is having a difficult time competing with private ininess for the really people that know what they are doing on the internet and computers and hacking. And one other point. I think that this is too soon. If somebody has those 30,000 i think theyls, are going to be revealed right close to the election to give nonbumplinton a real if you know what i nemean. Host your thoughts on how the government is staffed with experts on Cyber Security. Guest i think there is definitely competition for people with the private sector and between institutions. Working for the government has certain benefits. If you are a really hot shot Cyber Security experts youve got a bunch of tools, you are obviously going to commercialize that. This points to this huge problem weve got. Indication that somebody within the ic actually reverted a learned the dnc that they should call an outside company to investigate a potential breach on their networks. The president of crowd strike is former assistant head of the fbi. He went off and began working with other folks to create a company that is doing incredibly lucrative right now. The joint chiefs civilian email hack. They had a vendor supplying Cyber Security solutions. After this happened they spoke to another vendor. They are the academy of a Cyber Security academy in epitome of a Cyber Security company from Silicon Valley. How do you bring that inhouse to help defeat these sorts of intrusions . Right now the rewards are much more on the private side. The question is how does the government contract with those folks earlier in the cycle in order to keep this sort of thing from continuing to happen . All of the Great Solutions in this space are coming from folks in terms of cyber defense, coming from folks in the private sector. Sometimes folks that were in the Public Sector that switched over. Callsa couple more toll for Patrick Tucker. Caller the biggest problem for me with all of these things is we are showing children, youth how to lie, how to manipulate, cheat, and how to cover up in such fashion as to make yourself appear not to be wrong in how you have done what you have done and then rewarding you in such an incredible way. You just go, this is how i should conduct myself. We have created an ism with their kids and that is going to come back and bite us. Thanks for taking my call. Guest im not sure. Having said that, the dnc back in april actually did downplay a little bit the extent of information that was probably lost. Today the Hillary Clinton campaign is kind of downplaying im not getting into the politics of of this stuff again. It is not really my area. The statements they made to the public about the extent of the breach it was revealed to be a good deal bigger than they originally said. The information they now believe was stolen from them related to electoral analytics, if this is consistent with a new pattern we will find out whether or not the information that was stolen from the campaign was merely analytics or in fact included personally identifying information or something more sensitive than that. There has been a trend. Politics questions aside, there has been a trend from both the limit theirhrc disclosure of the amount of andrmation that was stolen it being potentially much bigger than that. Host question from steve on twitter who expresses his dismay over wikileaks. The selective and timed disclosure of information by wikileaks is now intended for political objectives and lacks mission integrity. You touched on this in terms of what ricky lex had meant wikileaks had meant to free press and reporters. Releasehe timing of the it was expertly timed to completely disrupt the Democratic National convention and it did. You had a highprofile resignations on the eve of that convention. At the very least you can say if you had that data dump and you wanted to release it in a way so that it had the greatest possible harm, on the convention of a party that day, this would have been it. These emails really only reflected the character of the dnc. Not so much other clinton herself. It dnc took the brunt of right on the eve of their convention. There does seem to be if it was not a deliberately thoughtout operation, it certainly should have been because it succeeded wildly as such. Host Patrick Tucker is Technology Editor for defense one. You can read more of his reporting on twitter. Thank you for being with us. Guest thank you. Host more washington journal ahead. 99 days to the election. Stier joined next by max with the center for president ial transition. He will join us to talk about what preparations are underway for the new president come january. On saturday, august 6 cspans issue spotlight looks at police and Race Relations. We will show president obama at the Memorial Service for five Police Officers shot in dallas. When the bullets started flying, they did not flinch and they did not react recklessly. Senator tim scott giving a speech on the senate floor about his own interactions with police. The vast majority of the time i was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood, or some other reason just as trivial. Our program also includes one familys story about an encounter with police in washington, d. C. Followed by a panel with the citys police chief, cathy lanier. Most people get defensive if they feel like you are being offensive. Being very respectful in encounters and requests versus demands, those things change the dynamic little bit. Watch our issues spotlight on police and Race Relations. Tonight on the communicators, we visit a Technology Show on capitol hill and speak with several developers of Startup Technology companies. This company intends to deliver broadband to homes wirelessly. They also talk about the policy issues they would like to discuss with members of congress. At 10 timesooking the frequencies of cellular operators. The biggest vantage of that frequency is it gives you bandwidth so you can pump 1000 times more data. In of the first uses of that broadband replacement. Watch the communicators tonight at 8 00 eastern on cspan2. Washington journal continues. Host we have spent a lot of time this morning talking about the president ial election. We will talk about what is next. Center fors with the president ial transition. Organizationand for the next president to come into Office Begins this week. What does that involve . Guest involves a takeover of the largest most complex and Important Organization not just around today but probably around in history. You are talking about 4000 political appointees our president has to put in place to run the government. A 4 trillion budget. Hundreds of different operating entities and a world full of scary things. It is a massive takeover larger and more important than any other on the planet and so it is a big deal. Host how does this operate beginning this week . Where is it based and who is involved . Guest we have good news on this front. Legislation that Congress Passed in 2010 enables the two president ial campaigns to be supported by the u. S. Government starting today in their transition planning. They are given space, all of the infrastructure they need to run an operation for transition planning. Historically that support did not come until after the election. Leeryesult campaigns were of doing the preelection planning they needed to do in order to be ready to govern. This is a new world. The opportunity is presented for them to do this right and its important. Not only is it about whether they get their promises done, it is also about keeping us safe because the transition is a point of maximum vulnerability. Host when was it realized that we really need to think about this, we need a plan in place . Guest transition activity has been going on for some time now but not at any real serious intensive level until post9 11. Majoras really the turning point in a recognition that we were not only talking about the ability of a candidate to get done what they promised that we were talking about the point of maximum vulnerability for our nation. The outgoing president bush and the handoff to president obama was the best transition ever in history and we have seen a big ramp up in the campaigns in the preelection work they are doing. Truth be told it has never been done really right and we need to get it right. Host you are the president and ceo of the partnership for Public Service. What is your role . Guest its a fascinating thing. The partnership for Public Service is a nonpartisan and nonprofit organization. We were supposed to launch on 9 11 and obviously that didnt happen. We were doing an event here in when a plane hit the world trade center. Pretty fundamental to who we are. Our job is to make sure the government does its job right. We are about the management needs of our government. Transition is the start of everything. We recognize early on that if you do not get the start right you do not get your government right. Chance to is your look ahead into the next president coming into office. All of that starting this week. Our guest max stier. We welcome your calls and comments. 202 7488001 republicans. 202 7488000 them across. 202 7488002 independents and all others. Do each of the campaigns have to assign a person in terms of who is heading their transition . Guest yes. There is no legal requirement that there is a practical requirement. Campaigns are focused on one thing which is to win the election and they are focused on whats in front of them immediately. Everything else is happening later. To do transition planning right and be ready to take over the federal government you need a separate operation that is both independent and connected to the campaign. Traditionally there is a transition chairperson selected and then a full team. The romney readiness project which was the name the Romney Campaign gave to their transition effort was the best in my view in recent history to do this. They had a chairperson and cabinet secretary and they had an operation that exceeded 400 people. These are now much larger operations. Very complex. You are really building a government in miniature and you have to run fast to be ready. Host there is no building in washington that says the office of president ial transition like there is a state department. Where do they house the offices . Guest the General Services administration, the Government Entity that deals with all the stuff of government really has point on this and they do a phenomenal job. They find space for both candidates as well as for the president elect. That is their responsibility. There is no nameplate. In some sense this stuff is still done under the radar. There is no real interest in creating any distraction from the campaign. Host we have calls. In West Virginia on the independent line. Go ahead. Caller hello. How because the government grown in the last eight years how big has the government grown in the last eight years . Terms of financing, these are private activities just like the campaign. Both campaigns set up a nonprofit organization, a 501 c 4. When you look at the cost they millioncally in the 10 to 14 million range. The candidate wins gets some money from the government. They have to raise the rest of it through private means. If they accept Government Support they have a 5,000 cap on any individual contributions. I know these sound like numbers but in relative big numbers but in relative terms to the campaign they are tiny numbers. If you look at the federal workforce itself it has actually about the same size as it was in the 1960s in absolute terms. In relative terms compared to the size of the country it has actually shrunk. The budget however has not shrunk. That is obviously driven by entitlements and a lot of other things as well. You mentioned there are some 4000 president ial political appointees. Do the campaigns have to come to the transition with a list of choices for these 4000 . Guest ultimately the candidate will need to place 4000 people in jobs. Not all of them are created equal. There are about 500 of them that have substantial management and organizational responsibility. About 1100 are Senate Confirmed. The process of actually filling those positions is quite complicated and lengthy. Historically it has taken over a year for prior administrations to staff their most senior ranks. Our view is that is a big problem. You cannot run the government effectively if you do not have your people in place. We think it can be done very differently. Thats the kind of assistance we are trying to provide the campaign. In the transition realistically they will not get all 4000 of those jobs filled. They are certainly not going to pick people preelection but they need to do everything beforehand to be ready. In the romney readiness project they had the top 100 jobs and a set of alternatives they were going to present to the candidate postelection. That is the kind of thing you need to do. Host max stier is here to look at the president ial transition process beginning this week in the Nations Capital. We would love to hear your thoughts. 202 7488001 republicans. 202 7488000 democrats. Independents and others. We will hear from reverend jackson on the republican line. Go ahead. Caller thank you. I am a political correspondent. My question for the gentleman is, what are his thoughts on the proposal that donald trump has proposed on the border wall . And how is that going to work with the every day business in the white house . Is that going to affect anything . What do you think about that . Guest right. The first piece of what i think about the actual proposal, one of the great things about my job is i dont take any positions on any of the policies. What we focus on at the partnership is how can the government get done whatever the American People want to see happen . If mr. Trump is actually elected and if that is a policy proposal he wants to pursue, the reality is its a very complicated effort. Hes going to have to get the United States government in all of its myriad different elements to lay out a plan and actually execute that plan to make it happen. Thats going to require action on the part of a bunch of different Government Entities at the federal level. Its going to involve states, the private sector. Thats really what the transition is ultimately about. How do you convert your promises into reality . How do you make happen what you say you are going to do . You do that through the implementation the government provides. That is very hard and complicated. If you dont prepare now you wont be ready to get it done january 20 one whoever is sworn in becomes president. I would argue the American People should be examining both candidates to see if they are doing the work they need to do to be ready to govern. That is essential to get done what they are promising and keep us safe. Host we talked earlier in the program about the classified briefings beginning this week on the president ial candidates. Thesebout candidates of 4000 potential appointees the need to be security cleared . Does that process start this week . Guest it does. In 2004 and again this is a consequence of 9 11, as part of legislation that Congress Passed, it enables the Transition Teams to actually put the word people to get intro clearances interim clearances. Clearly you need people to have access to critical information. But its also an example of why this process is so hard and complicated. Its not just enough to find the right people for the job. You have to get them through a clear and possible process. Many have to go through a Senate Confirmation process. There are very complicated six rules ethics rules. It is not as simple as any other private Sector Organization which requires really developed planning and execution capability. Marco inhear from louisiana. Caller a lot of americans feel like they are being occupied, whether by the politicians and media. In that include cnn and fox. Own politicians they support. We dont get the fair coverage as we should. We are stuck with trump and Hillary Clinton because of the media. Jobse media had done their maybe we would have had better choices. I can look at all the cops being shot now, the vast majority of the media says there is systemic racism throughout police departments. I have a police chief in my family. When they did that, ever since that cops are being shot and killed. Is human, everybody makes mistakes. Im not saying no cops are racist, im saying cops are human just like doctors and plumbers and electricians. We are talking about the transition and the presidency, the transition but thanks for calling and. We go to virginia on our republican line. Caller thank you for this the issue you raised is. Mportant the top people to be in a new arenistration, the managers the people who voted to implement in the election. Will we talk about is pulling the rug out under the entire electorate in terms of what they have voted for. It is probably one of the most vital jobs that has to be undertaken. What i would like to suggest is needs tos some be placed on the important positions. That is kind of tricky. When you are talking about Foreign Policy and the intelligence information, you need to put priority on those people. Those issues can be addressed right up front. This is a consideration in the weights transition is conducted. Guest the number one priority there is going to be a core set of positions that are vital no matter the political spectrum is going to be front and center. One thing i will add is it is absolutely important than the people who are putting these positions are the people who have the qualifications for these jobs. It is another interesting and distressing observation. The qualifications to do them right are understood. Transition planning has been a groundhog day exercise. The core idea was to create a learning system so that transitions can be built on a best practice. It is exciting, we have a long ways to go. Host an early start on the president ial transition, acknowledging time is more time is running out. A task for a giant corporate but involving a 4 trillion budget. Compressed on january 8 and in the 2017 inauguration. Good morning. I wonder if these people coming in to office are briefed and told which server to use, especially at the secretarial level, both in private and , communicating between secretarial levels. Question is terrific and spot on in underlying a critical issue. The two critical elements are who you picked to be in the leadership position and how you prepare those people. Transitional efforts have focused on the picking peace and i would argue we havent always done the best job with that. Actually one part of our larger project is a whole curriculum for political employee tease for political employee tease political appointees. You have those 4000 political appointees and 2 million career civil service. That is part of what we are trying to do. You need to prepare your people. Torque knowledgeably and collectively. Host you may have answered this question, what is the most important factor for a smooth and complete transition . Guest i think the answer is all of the above and picking one thats not going to do it. It is the Leadership Group that is vital. The reality is you have to give all right. The urgent crowds are important. You have for europe how to be important on the same time. Host how times have you gone through this . Guest i have some interaction going back to the clinton days, having interviewed a lot of folks. I had substantial information talking about their experience. What is fascinating for us is we are a tiny operation. We have a bunch of partners within government and industries. Little morear than fulltime. Is from an earlier comment about occupying the white house. Revolutionaries from walk from occupied wall whyet, black lives matter, dont they could to washington and form around the capital and pick another candidate . Guest i have the great pleasure of focusing on management and not on policy choices. Of legitimatelot disputes that need to be settled. My organization is making sure the government has the bloody has the ability to do whatever what is fascinating to me is there is a lot of attention focused on the policies and not on the execution. Thats essentially what we have. Focus on thisore management peace and execution. Host president ial transition work has already begun. Now on the campaign trail come their wellequipped and highly ready to step into the oval office ends run the country boldly and successfully. Despite clintons for decades and trump extensive , the business modal guest perfectly said. That is the truth and the interesting aspect is whatever has happened in the past, we need to see a better transmission Going Forward. Romney did a phenomenal job. We need a steppedup effort and we are seeing that from both campaigns because congressional support is meaningful. We need to see a president who is ready on day one. The top 400 by the august recess. That requires a lot of preparation. That will be a heavy sprint. Guest caller this is a valuable and useful segment. My now deceased husband was recruited to be the head of president clintons science and Technology Transition team. Hiswas selected because of involvement in the new area of law, which is the law of privacy and freedom of information. His career went back to the drafting of the privacy act and then he went to work on with all the Major Tech Companies in the collaboratedr and with the congress in creating many other telecom acts. Sally was head of the Transition Team with him for science and technology. To just see how enormous this issue of privacy and freedom of information has come in the last , it is just testimony to how critically important it is to get the best experts in these positions. Ofo im sure in the archives cspan theres video you can put to showother segment people how intricate and enormous this job is. Host i think we lost them there. I think it is a phenomenal point she is making. You see the seat so much in the transition and you need to make sure you got the very best people involved. Really the management side is phenomenally huge. Host there is a timeline on their which has a pretty big he tailed to do list. Coveredthe it administration on policy. Reviewing executive orders and regulations from the Outgoing Administration and formulates strategy around new executive orders. Focal point of the campaigns. Seems like that will be a busy area. Guest the federal government does a lot. Of resources on the website. We are trying to create that learning system. We have a bunch of material we created to help the new Transition Teams better understand what they need to get done. You mentioned a couple of things, the budget is another one, which is phenomenally important. The next president will have a month to get their next budget out. Moving talking about into that next administration. You need to do all that work during the transition and need to align that budget exercise with your policy objectives, otherwise you dont have the money to do what you promised you are going to get done. Caller good morning. This is for macs. You talk about the transition now. January 8 when the transition is over . My second question is when the new president comes into the , do theyse on the 20th get personal furniture up there and how do they do it all in that one day . Host you mention january 8, why is that important . I think the basic point you raised is you have two campaigns, our proposition is both of them need to be preparing for potentially winning. One of them is going to do a bunch of work or not. It is no different than the campaigns themselves. You have to begin now, you have to begin much earlier than now in preparing for the up death preparing for the possibility you are going to be elected president. You try to win. You actually have to be winning and carry through the promise that you made. Is goinge candidates to make an investment and that is not going to pay off. What is required to be responsible. Be d to the president ial transition process begins this week. We are taking your phone calls next up, it is mary lou on the independent line. Sure you mute your television or radio and go ahead with your comment. Caller hello, yes, good morning. Im 84 years old. What is this country going to do . My first vote was for dwight eisenhower. I just dont know what we are going to do. What has gone wrong with this country . This all started with woodstock. All defiant normality and behavior. What am i going to do . I cannot vote. We are ending another twoterm president in barack obama, is the transition any different . For eightdifferent years as opposed to a fouryear president . Guest that is a great question. Easier,it is a lot bluntly, for a twoterm president to lean into the transition out work that needs to happen then it is for a one term president who is presumably attempting to come back again. That is one major aspect here. There is actually a law that president obama signed in march that require the Outgoing Administration to do a bunch of important things for an orderly handoff to the next team. The push for any incumbent president , they dont want to be viewed as a lame duck. A twoterm president , they know they are coming back they know they are not coming back. Have appens when you handoff from the same administration to the same administration as opposed to a change in administration . One of the important things is when we look at recent history, probably the most difficult transition was the ring was the handoff from reagan to bush. See, mentioned in this 4000 jobs, a virtual complete turnover in the context of a party to same party. Host youth you would think they would beat easy as. Guest a lot of it is about the expectation of the people. All of these things are things that have to be planned for and addressed. Host here is john in maryland on the independent line. Caller thank you for taking my call. Mentioned there is a lot of parenting going into putting into place new personnel and new staff. Im very sure a lot of these people are excellent in what they do. What happens if the new president likes the person that is fair, can they just say, you are staying . Do they have to go through a vetting process . A great question, because the reality is there are a lot of people in these frankly it would benefit the American People if they were held over. Identifying who those are in good way to get them early enough that they are not going to leave before eone tells them that they that the president elect wants them to stay can be a real challenge. By and large there are usually not many holdovers. The president elect can do it. The president elect can hold over as many people as he or she would like. They dont also have to go through the confirmation process, which can be of the Senate Confirms a position, incredibly difficult. It is an important question. Planning often identifies those position so you can actually save yourself the trouble of not only getting new people in the keeping someone who knows the job already. There are some specialized positions, for example the secretary the undersecretary at the v. A. For the Veterans Health administration. It is even more difficult to replace that person and in my view it makes a ton of sense, whoever, whether it is trumped or clinton, to hold over that person for at least as long as it takes to find a replacement. That will be a minimum eight months to maybe a year. That is the kind of work that happens in this transition. Positions you are not coined people to fill in easily, and if fast to get them anticipate that any of that sort of feeling, that atmosphere we are dealing with in may present problems terms of getting people for the next administration . People who would be more reluctant to have their names considered for a position if it is going to be three months, six months, a year and a half of for they are in that position. Thet two responses, one of interesting aspects and this is going fast may be easier than going slow. If you look at the data, president s are much more successful in getting their people in faster. A part of it is they have the electoral mandate, individual senators are not willing to hold hostage the nominees. Our view is the smart candidate is going to do a lot of transition planning, a lot of aggressive efforts to bring in people quickly. Is thered part of this is no doubt that our system is way too costly on the nominees. There are plenty of qualified people who dont want to go through gruesome exercise in their gruesome exercise. Host if you needed senate approval, and theoretically you needed to be prepped for hearing , that cost somebody to do. It is not just the cost of the preparation, but if you consequences in your financial portfolio, you need to put it into a blind trust, which is a large financial cost. I have heard people spending over 400,000. That is obviously not the norm and there are people with super complicated portfolios. But it costs real money and it in uncertainty. It is to everyones detriment. Again, you get rid people willing to go through it but there are a lot of people who wont. Host next we hear from our democrats line in maryland. Cobb and you got into my question a little bit. I salute the efforts to get the campaigns to actually think about governing as opposed to just campaigning. Wondering, since so much seems to be up to the congress, particularly the senate in terms of approving appointees, does this really help . How much of it is really going to go through versus just sitting around waiting for the bring a nominees guest one ofte . The Interesting Data points that my colleague has done, 70 of the time in filling nominations is actually held by the executive branch, only one third by the senate. Executive can the do by putting candidates out faster in more volume. That would make a big difference. Some of the time it is obviously the creative their word by what the senate is going to do. It is a partnership nonetheless. This should not be partisan. The reality is getting good leaders in place is important for everybody. I think we need to see a different set of expectations on what is legitimate in the partisan wars. Holding up and have a great leaders in our government shouldnt be one of e things that is used as a weapon. Host the atlantic published a piece looking at transparency. The headline to some of to get the points. Because of the hidden nature of the process teamte beings ride by a of advisers who had served on such teams in the past, who served barack obama in 2008. Do we know more today . Guest we do know more today. It is true that the campaigns dont want the transition to be a distraction. Headld turn that on its and say that as a legitimate question to say what are you doing in the way of preparing to govern, because that is whether they processes are going to stick. Both candidates have an active transition apparatus. Has been named by the rich baggers, the executive director. The Trump Campaign has come out with his name. The Clinton Campaign has come out with several people that are held organizing her effort. There is always going to be up a city going to be associated with this process. They want to make sure people are looking to win the campaign. Campaignsrtant both go out aggressively and they are both on their way. Host one more call from florida on the democrats line. Caller just a few questions that have already been raised. Outside ofst the own campaign itself, how much do you think the Senate Confirmation hearings for any of the new positions to be applied to the congress, how much do you think that talk that costs taxpayers overall . And with the transitional period , you gave a couple of figures. Months. 10 but what happens if you have a donaldion lets say trump were to win the election and he would try to appoint people that people in the senate would disagree with. How much disagreement and what is the period of time, his of time come Historical Perspective you have seen of time, Historical Perspective you have seen, that can shorten this. On averageas taken 50 days between when the first person is brought into an agency and the second person. Two months. Back to stories of secretary geithner being secretary treasury. If you prepare right you can actually frontload your appointment to get it in a 10 faster. Coal should be the Senate Confirmed position, the top thered by inauguration, and top 400 by the august recess. Never been done before but we believe if you prepare right you can actually get there. Important to all of us. Host i think a caller asked about this but we didnt touch on it, the nittygritty details. He asked about the furniture that goes into the white house and other officials. Is your office involved in setting up a logistics . Guest not us, we are a tiny nonprofit. Gsa has done a phenomenal job. These logistics are important. In an example of what went wrong when the Obama Administration came in, they had the transition apparatus. Challengednnel were by the move from the transition space to the white house. New isthe things that is that the legislation the president signed in march will stay in the transition space for up to six months. They are not moving into the white house learning all the systems. It gives them that flexibility. Can make a big difference as to whether or not you get your work done. And that is what this is all about. Host you can keep track of the president ial transition at president ialtransition. Org. That will about do it for this mornings washington journal but we are back here tomorrow morning. We would love to see you here too. Have a great day. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] thank you for joining us this morning, here is a look at what is ahead for cspan. President obama is traveling to atlanta. He will be speaking at the 95th convention for disabled veterans today. Also singapores Prime Minister is in washington this week on his agenda for the week our meetings with the president and a state dinner at the white house