Border. At 10 a. M. Sunday and 6 p. M. Eastern on cspan. The author is our guest at this weeks q a. She was so beautiful and smart and she was so witty that she was always irresistible to men. Age, richard , a washington columnist, they shack together sat tog ether. And heoked his beard said, heavens, i never felt this before. She had this quality. Her entire life. On the life and career of sharing the personal relationship during her final years on sunday night at 10 eastern and pacific. Discussion with the founder of architects and engineers for 9 11 truth. From fridays washington journal, and this is 30 minutes. We want to introduce you to richard gage. The founder of a group called architects and engineers for 9 11 truth. Of 2200e are a Group Architects and engineers dedicated to finding out what really happened at the World Trade Center with the destruction of all three towers on that day. Host what do you have doubts about . Guest the architects and engineers that i represent have found evidence that has not been told to the American People by the agencies tasked with. Xplaining these towers evidence of controlled demolition. Particularly with the third highrise that collapsed on that day. World trade center seven. Were looking forward to sharing evidence today. Host lets look at video that your group has put out. [video clip] here, we are going to show you video tape of the collapse itself. The collapse of this building. Its amazing. Amazing, incredible, pick your word. Reminiscent of those pictures we have seen too much and television before. Building seven. Guest it sure was. Most americans are completely unfamiliar with this. Architects and engineers around the world mostly all unfamiliar with the third worst structural failure in modern history. Ate is a 47 story skyscraper 5 20 in the afternoon, it dropped like a rock. This past. , freefallst acceleration, straight down, uniformly, symmetrically. A building with 47 tons of structural steel cannot fall straight down like we saw due to normal office fires. Official reason given us given to us by the National Standards of Technology Without floorumns on each being removed simultaneously. We have seen this like the old hotels in las vegas. It looks exactly like a controlled demolition. Downtell us, no, this came due to a normal office fire. You can begin to see the problem right off the bat. Normal office fires have never brought down a skyscraper ever before. We have steel frame, fireproof skyscrapers for a good reason. If they have protected our towers for a long, long time. The 2200 architects and engineers that i represent around the world in over 300 presentations now in 32 citieses and 82 american , they have presented the evidence for the explosive demolition. That evidence is seen not only in the videos of the buildings, but her by the First Responders heard of by the First Responders who cite the explosions. Who cite the pools of molten iron flowing like lava, they say. Cites aobertson himself river of steel flowing. These are evidence of temperatures exceeding 2800 degrees fahrenheit. Office fires cant even get to 1000 degrees short of that. We have a serious problem. Story,he official evidence of walton iron molten iron documented by fema itself in the first report. May of 2002. Which documents hot sulfur corrosion. Author of that report said the ends of the beams were partially evaporated. That takes 4000 degree temperatures. The only thing we are aware of that can create that is thermite. Its an incendiary a used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. This is why we have to have a real investigation that looks at havevidence that they rejected from the report after they came in in 2004 and threw away the fema report. The National Institute of standards and technology . Guest that is correct. Host youre talking about their report. You question the falling of Building Seven. Are you questioning how the twin towers fell as well . Guest there are very serious questions about the twin towers. We looked at World Trade Center seven, which most people dont know anything about, and ,ee how obvious the freefall symmetrical destruction is and how that matches a controlled demolition and how the official story cannot possibly be true, we are ready, maybe, to take a look at the other subject, the twin towers, with a more open mind. Most of us you like feel like we know how the twin towers came down because we have been given the official story. Most architects and engineers dont question the story they have provided. Evidence in see the the twin towers like Building Seven, they do end up agreeing with us by a show of hands, overwhelmingly. Honey 200 architects and 22 hundred architects and engineers now demanding an investigation. That evidence is available in the videos. We are told that this upper block of 10 story, 15 stories in thehe point of impact north tower, that upper block drove the rest of the building down to the ground. We have a few problems with the story. That is not what the videos show. That upper portion is destroying itself before there is any to drive theon rest of the building down to the ground. In the first four seconds, its completely destroyed and liquefied, if you will. If the structure is completely shattered and there is nothing left to drive the rest down. Yet, what we see after audra seconds four seconds is exactly what the First Responders are describing in the world histories taken and documented by the fire commissioner. All of these explosions to mother describing and hearing explosions. Explosions are out of the building. Yet, none of these hundreds of eyewitness testimonies are included in the official report. They describe a belt of explosions laterally driving a foreign ton a fort hunt perimeter long section 60 miles an hour in every direction. A four ton perimeter long. Structural steel sections this takes an incredible lateral force. A 200 force to eject pound cannonball three miles. Are going to take a lot of phone calls and we will begin that in just a second. We invited mr. Gage on this program because, from time to time, regular viewers know that we get phone calls asking about fiddling Building Seven regardless of what segment we are talking about. This groupestigate and give them a chance to have their say. I want to start with this tweet. It goes to the why. Who gains from this building fall . Why would somebody want to demolish it . Guest criminal investigators at were trained at looking four suspects in such massive criminal controlled demolitions like these have to be employed to look at the means and motive and opportunity. Who benefited . These are the questions that enterprising journalists and criminal investigators should be asking. A large measure are not for whatever reason. The architects and engineers for 9 11 truth are tasked with the what. You ask, why,s have to also be answered by those who are trained to find suspects with motives. Host lets take some calls. Max in indiana. Go ahead. Caller thank you, cspan, for having mr. Gage on to tell the Inconvenient Truth about 9 11. Foreign policy is based on 9 11. There are so many questions to be asked and answered about 9 11. Inre is the airplane debris pennsylvania . Where are the four black boxes from the airplanes . Why did the Bush Administration fight an investigation . The 47 story World Trade CenterBuilding Seven collapse . Why were military and political people told not to fly . Who scheduled the hijacking wargames on 9 11 . At . E was nora who told them to stand down . I agree with the caller. These are some serious and very important questions that americans are asking. But not getting enough air time. We appreciate cspans dedication to journalism. Finally, focusing on this subject. Wars were started as a result of 9 11. We have lost 6000 soldiers. Millions of people in the middle east have been killed in these wars. We have lost precious Civil Liberties through legislation and our economy has been wrecked. If there is any question about what happened at the World Trade Center, we have to have a real investigation. Alicenext call comes from in new jersey. Caller thank you, thank you, thank you. Isrything you are saying questions i have asked somebody for 24 yearsthere and was therefore the 93 incident. Giuliani. R brings up the mayor, the biggest mouth, never said after the first building was hit, clear out the second building. I dont care what size plane they thought it was. Continue please continue to investigate. I lost so many dear friends. I was not working any longer at the trade center. Thank you. Guest thank you. I do appreciate the additional questions raised by the color callers today. Our focus is on the science of what happened. 400ant to know how did structural steel connections every second during the seven second freefall collapse of World Trade Center seven . There are computer animations made to prove how their theory developed. 79 buckling of column number at the 12 floor where the worst fires were said to be. However, those fires were out, burned out over an hour before the building ever collapsed. They could not have caused the thermal expansion that they cite as initiating this collapse. Also have a serious problem in fabricating evidence and not including key structural components in their computer model which they will not release, citing it would jeopardize Public Safety were they to release the computer models and the structural drawings for Building Seven. The architects and engineers like us who are responsible for Public Safety have to have this information in order to ensure that Public Safety. National institute of standards and technology after their investigation of Building Seven put out a full report. , it seemsead it pretty frank and open eared they have asked themselves questions and answer them such as, is it possible that thermite created the collapse . To applywer in here is thermite to a large steel column , approximately 1. 13 pounds of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that w per foot. Pounds this is for one column. Presumably more than one column would have been prepared with thermite. It is unlikely that 100 pounds of thermite or more could have been carried into World Trade Center seven and placed around columns without being dissected prior to 9 11 or during that day. Who would be detecting this . You want an investigation of the security company. They would have brought several tons of thermite. Is quite cute. They completely ignore the patented thermite cutter charges that issue thermite through a issuing inice, milliseconds molten iron cutting through structural steel. This is very welldocumented. You dont just poor thermite against the column. It has to be contained and directed. We have been looking for that evidence. What we see, what fema documents is often iron. Concrete iron and which takes 3000 degrees of temperature. Where does that come from . It can only come from thermite used by the military to cut through steel. The evidence is therefore thermite. Patented cutter charges are in fact made with consolidated thermite. All that would be left is molten iron. That is what is found in the basements of the twin towers. It was not included in the comprising 1000 pages of lies. Host next call, eric in california. Caller i would just like to say that i really enjoy cspan. There have been a lot of callers about this issue. I would like to thank cspan for allowing this to come up. Congratulations to all of the people calling to bring it forward. Host we move on to germany. Caller hello. , there were many eyewitnesses on the morning of 9 11. Indeed, it was one of the biggest crime scenes in history. I know you are not only just in contact with architects and engineers but also with lawyers. Would it be possible to consider including testimony of key eyewitnesses . Collapsede any tower isnt regular procedure to hear crime scene witnesses . Guest there are several witnesses hearing explosions. Before his life the day the final report came out about Building Seven in which they deny explosions which he was testifying to in several different films. Mccaughan whoevin was a First Responder who heard a countdown. And then felt explosions under his feet. It was like you needed to grab onto something. He heres an explosion. Other firefighters or policeman hearing explosions. He hears explosions. The police are saying the buildings are about to blow up. How did they know it was about to blow up . The few scattered fires in this building which have never brought down a still frame ever are saying its going to come down. Theyre expecting it to blow up. Announced in the case of Building Seven the destruction of the building in the morning. Several hours before it came down. In the case of bbc, they announced a 20 minutes before it actually happened. They later apologized for this error, citing the confusing events of the day. Something is going on here that needs to be investigated. Why cant we get governmental officials to investigate that . Every one of our cnn viewers should be calling their congressmen and finding out why they are not investigating the worst mass murder in u. S. History and the third worst structural failure in modern history. Its an extraordinary and unacceptable situation. That is why we have to any 200 architects and engineers 2200 architects and engineers. Host what do you do for a living and when did you come to believe what you believe . I founded the organization eight years ago when i heard on the radio another researcher, the author of 10 books on the subject, who delves into many of the other earlier callers have brought up outside of the World Trade Center, which is are of narrow were scope investigation. I have to dedicate myself to this allimportant task because i have found that most americans are unaware of the evidence. It is on the internet and available and it makes sense. It is comprised from the video testimony and video documentation. It is not something that is made up. Evidencelking about capable of being brought into a againstd standing up the process the legal process. ,ike the other caller said lets get it going. Lets get some effort. We are pursuing various legal niftts, including against themselves. An Emergency Responder caught in World Trade Center seven between the sixth and eighth floor said he heard two loud booms. Is that evidence it was explosion . The sound levels reported by all witnesses do not match the sound level of an explosion that would have been required to cause the building to collapse. Guest they say it would be a loud boom. What they are referring to is highenergy explosives, which are normally used to bring down highrises like the old hotels in las vegas. Which buildings have been looks exactly like. If they used thermite, which operates by heat instead of gas and loud and force bangs and bright flashes, thermite instead would be much quieter. There would still be some explosions heard, which were heard. Host what do the 9 11 truth ers thing happened in nine pennsylvania and the pentagon . Guest the researchers have found serious questions that also require a real investigation. We are talking about a real investigation which offers immunity to bring forth witnesses. Subpoena power to force them to come forth. That looks at all the evidence with an open mind and with the scientific method. When we get such an investigation that we can actually trust, unlike the 9 11 which two of those members have said that they were set up to fail by the Bush Administration. One of them resigned citing this is a national scandal. This is pretty extraordinary evidence heard the attorney for the 9 11 commission decided that there was a decision at some point to not tell the American People the truth. The American People deserve the truth. Host mike in florida. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Mr. Gage, i want to give you the. Tmost compliment youre a true american hero. My hats off to you. The first caller was right when he listed the lengthy list of anomalies. The signs for the destruction of the twin towers through explosives is there. It is overwhelming. I have spent hundreds of hours going over various information. Ruppert did an excellent presentation you can pull up on youtube where he goes through who would benefit from the twin towers and brought down. Down. Ng brought he discusses topics of insider trading. Defense contracting. There is a lot of things he touches on that having a lot of credibility. The one thing we have to start away from his partisanship. We should try to avoid dropping large names. It is counterproductive. Believe there is a lot of questions the Bush Administration needs to answer. Have you personally had any threats on your life or anything of that nature . Thank you very much for cspan. Guest i am delighted to say that i have not had any problems with threats. I am eternally grateful for that. I dont need that in my life. Im a normal, everyday architect. And a person who is very concerned about our country. Am deeplyican, i disturbed about the state of deception on the scale of these three criminal controlled demolitions can occur and most americans, certainly not all, fortunately, have been deceived. Most of our elected representatives are unwilling to tackle the very serious issues before them. Such as the finding of nano thermite in the World Trade Center dust. Altogether found by an independent team of scientists led by neil harris in copenhagen. With nanoparticles of iron oxide and aluminum powder embedded in them. Very clearly the most advanced materials m