Responding that the outcome in iraq stresses and need for better Foreign Policy. We will get your thoughts in a moment. You on whetherto the United States should take more of an isolationist stance. Stance orrnationalist an interventional list stance. Heres how you can call us this morning. 202 5853880 for democrats. 202 5853881 for republicans. 202 5853882 for independents. You can post on social media as well. If you want to send us an email, journal cspan. Org. Opeds that appeared in newspapers looking at iraq and featuring to texas legislators. Legislators. Heres the title. Isolationist policy makes the threat of terrorism even greater. Going on to say that the group is well trained, sophisticated and adept to recruitment with thousands of people with european passports fighting on inside. Its side. G on again, the thoughts of the texas governor, rick perry. The response from rand paul of kentucky this morning. He starts off this way in an oped released july 14. He goes on more to talk about the stance he is taking. Characterizing senator paul about isolationism. Rick perry responding rand paul responding, taking a look at more internationalist policy when it comes to National Security. Is going on between these two legislators. Unites states should take. More isolationist or more internationalist. You can call in on our three lines this morning. Democrats 202 5853880. Republicans, 202 5853881. Ndependents, 202 5853882 if you identify as a tea party member, maybe your thoughts 3. 02 585388 it lets hear from mike in plymouth, ohio. Independent line. About theat you think stance u. S. Should take. Caller i am stunned that whats going on around us. Ever since we went to war and there were no weapons of mass destruction, our borders have been wide open. Now, all of a sudden, we are having an influx of kids coming in from south america and everything. We are still at war. I cant understand, why cant we shut our borders . Everybody is saying now that our government is not in control. Veteran and i believe this. Ive been all over the world and i can understand. Shut the borders, send everybody back and put the National Guard down on the border to protect us. Host you have more of an isolationist stance. We have been at war since i can remember vietnam. Corporations will not allow us to shut down the borders because we need cheap labor for the farms. We just need to wake up because congress and our members that are supposed to be representing us are not in control. Jimmy from athens, georgia. Caller im an isolationist and i agree with the last caller. These corporations dont want to close the border because we need the cheap labor. We need the cheap labor. I am against closing the borders. I like having cheap labor and i people workingre for less money so we can keep inflation down h. That is an isolationist view. Its a waste of money to send troops overseas. It doesnt help us defeat terrorists. Host wayne from richmond, virginia. Democrats line. Caller hello. Ive been listening to cspan for 27 years. Dispute is like a republican talking about another republican. To another war. We know how they start wars. Over a lie. We are having a problem with the borders. Everybody sing the borders are wide open. They are not wide open. We have armed guards around that border and the most sophisticated equipment. The reason these people are leaving is for two reasons. Has done moretes things down there in those other countries, small countries would take for granted. We have those run by corporate corporations and now were getting the results from all that plunder. Theyre going through mexico. The main problem is what we did forefore 50 years there 50 years. There cant be a complete isolationist. Right now, were sitting up here not even worried about the United States. Is nobody is thinking about americans. Americans trust the rich people do not fight our wars. What best determines whether we should get involved or not . Caller how are we going to get involved . Are we going to send people on the ground . No, we are not. Host republican line. Caller im a republican, but im not so much about isolationism. One of the mistakes made in the wars that happened host as far as the u. S. Going forward, how should it be . Looking to other countries and singlets going on there and seeing whats going on there . , who wasichard clarke the nsa director for a while, one of the things he discusses about whats happening there between the sunni and shiites, that particular thing is being exploited or whatever. Soldiers. Any more we have lost enough over there. We do need to monitor it. We can arm the people the right way. Whats confusing to me is whats happening in syria. Its almost schizophrenic. We are arming the same people we are trying to disarm on the other side. We need to arm the right people. Referencesaller syria. United Nations Council determining in a unanimous vote syrianselivery to in rebel areas. Isolationist or internationalist . What is the best way for National Security . That is the question we are asking you this morning. Willie from ohio. Democrats line. Caller its foolish to be isolationist. We cant afford that. We are connected globally. The things happening in iraq malikiis is because of and the Bush Administration. They said they were not going to give the american soldiers in iraq immunity from prosecution for staying over there obama troops down. These and now theyre going to say we are isolationist. We are in this thing globally and we cannot pull out. , hes as rick perry fear monger. He is juncker jockey position for the 2016 election just like ron paul is. Host mike from vermont. Tea party. Caller this is mike long from vermont. I dont believe the borders can be closed. Its not because we cant close them, but we cant stop the commerce of the drug trade that is supporting our post offices in america. It will stop the flow of money into the hands of our inner cities that is creating a subsidy for the federal and state governments because the money we take from the drug trade and their incomes from the underground economy will decimate further. Or create the cycle into a serious reality because we are absolutely bankrupting our nation by poverty that we will not be up to support by stopping the drugs from coming to the borders. I dont think either party can stop the flow of those drugs because we cant afford the consequences. Host how would you define your self . Take the term isolation to me is, the pretext would be to protect the borders of america. If we become isolationists, the borders have to be extremely secure because we wont be stopping the hate that comes from the religious differences in the world. Consequently, by not stopping the hate over there against america, we are going to simply our cargo can be withted with infested poison, bombs, illness. If we dont check every single container and every single envelope and every single citizen coming into the country, n isolationistc nation destined to be destroyed. Host rick from texas. Independent line. I just have some comments. You have the question about the texas border initially that i want to respond to. Host how would you define your self when it comes to National Security . I think internationalist finding that we would not want to secure our border. Just because we want a secure border does not mean we want to isolationist. If we have secure borders, we crossing in aple legal way. That, i would support. Host what about matters of National Security that dont involve the southern border . Caller as far as other borders . Iraq or other countries . Host sure. Caller the border still applies because 50,000 children coming across the south texas , how many Border Patrol agent and people and resources is involved in trying to apprehend them and take them into protective custody . While they are being distracted, other terrorists can get across the texas porter. Texas border. Host mark. Independent line. Caller regarding isolationism, the fact is, we are always going involved militarily or not. Paul that weron can influence the world with our example. We are setting a bad example statee are supporting terrorism, for instance. Which is going on in the middle east right now. Just because we are not getting involved militarily does not mean that we are isolating ourselves. Host the former Vice President , dick cheney, was at a political talking about issues of National Security. He was asked if rand paul would be dangerous as a president. [video clip] to getid i didnt want into endorsing or criticizing a candidate. I did express the view that i think isolationism is crazy. Wind through 9 11 that things we can retreat and be safe and secure they are out to lunch. We saw, on that day, the worst attack on the United States since pearl harbor. We lose 3000 people at the world that is an act of war against the United States. Committed by 19 guys who got training in afghanistan and came over here and use our own technology against us. Givenis no way, todays technologies, that we can afford buying into the notion that we should stay home and not get involved overseas and have a military presence with those parts of the world where the threat is emerging. Supportinge trouble an isolationist plan or sentiment in my own party. Host you can see the full interview on cspan. The point you to the opeds weve been highlighting this if you go to senator pauls response and political magazine. Wayne from oak creek, wisconsin. Democrats line. Todd from rockville, maryland. Republican line. Caller thank you for taking my call so promptly. We should look at ourselves being isolationist because we its referring to more of a commerce policy. For us to be what we stand for in this world, we have look out for ourselves first. It makes a strong and thats the a lot of given things weve done in the past, its a different world today than it was when our forefathers came over. We really need to do button down and understand and connect with god. Its all interrelated. And all connecting understanding that one move on the chessboard. Host richard in florida. Democrats line. Caller i think its a mistake to divide our National Security between isolationist and internationalist. There is a middle ground which is called restraint. Whats to identify really in the National Security interests of the United States. Let me recommend a book by barry pozen from an i. T. Called restraint. , youe should bear in mind look at the rest of the world,ountries like brazil, russia vietnam, china, south africa, japan, germany none of those countries has any military installations outside of the country except for russia. Yet, nobody calls them isolationist. The United States has at least several hundred bases outside of the u. S. Its our responsibility to respond to every crisis in the world. We are going for too much. We are overstretched. I read his book and some of his work in the past. He is a brilliant guy. He should have him on cspan to discuss this. Host barry pozen . Caller yes. From m. I. T. Host richard from florida. We will hear next from jim in kansas on our independent line. Caller hi. The first time ive gotten through on the line here. I think its somewhat ironic that you would have a clip of Vice President cheney on here. I dont think our foreign policies determined by elected officials as much as fulltime nationalists. If you look at ukraine, the bribery of monsanto and halliburton going into nigeria back in 1995 and bribing when ceo. Ey was the as far as the border is billiond, we did a 60 arms agreement with the saudis and their supporting isis. The International Community looks at us as being too based on these matters. Twofaced. F18 or aive one less the f35son these at 35 and cover the expense of these children coming in. I look at myself as being a world citizen. Weve lost our civil liberties, the rest of the planet can look at our country we are only 4 of the World Population and we are like a scourge right now. We dont have the best interests of the people on the planet as much as wall street. Host al jazeera. Com reporting about gaza. From greensboro, alabama. A member of the tea party. This is george. Your thoughts on our question as far as isolationist or internationalist approach. Caller i want to make sure people understand that i dont consider myself a citizen of the world. I am a citizen the United States. Period. I dont see how its possible for you with modern communications and technology if we could ever be isolationist. The problem ofve figuring out how to take care of we stoppedids if them from coming into the country in the first lace. First place. Secure the border. Its not complicated. John in maryland. Democrats line. Caller good morning. Thank you. The first gentleman that called talked about the internationalist r throwback. Ive never heard of such ignorance in my life. We American People have no idea what our Foreign Policy entails for multinational list corporations. Thisthing happening to nation is because of the seeds we planted 35 years ago. To geting is not going any better until we wake up and Start Holding our greedy government officials responsible for the Foreign Policy that they loot and plunder and bribed and threatened and killed the leaders of the small nations. People come to america and we want to blame them. We are responsible for this. We dont build any of them responsible for what they have reaganing back to ronald. We dont hold our government officials responsible for none of the dirt they do outside this nation. All that stuff is throwback. Cspan had a chance to talk with the former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, about her book. She talked about the decisions she had to make a secretary of state. [video clip] i learned to expect the unexpected. Nobody expected the arab spring until it was upon us. We have to learn to be agile and ready for the unexpected. While we try to build a world that we want, especially for our children. The facto be aware of that all these other countries, all these billions of people are making hard choices every sin will day. We have to be ready for that. I am absolutely convinced that we have to continue to lead the world into the kind of future that we want. We cant sit on the sideline or retreat. We are going to have setbacks and disappointments. Has becomeour story the dominant story. It represents the hopes and aspirations of people everywhere. That is what i want americans to understand. The main reason i wrote this book i know there is a big debate going on. Unfortunatereal consequences to deal with from prior decisions and the like. We cant abdicate our spots ability to. And executed it will be the stuff of political debate. America matters to the world and the world matters to america for our prosperity and our security and our democracy. Host go to our website to see the full interview. New from el paso, texas. Republican line. With myi disagree colleague, rand paul. In the 1930s, we had a large isolationist frontier. After 1941. That is what is going to happen again with rand paul. If you think the world is messed not want guy who does to use military force you dont have to use military force. You can be a strong like Ronald Reagan said, peace through strength. The American People will not tond up when rand paul has explain his worldview of Foreign Policy. That randhe piece paul wrote in response to rick, he included this line. The oped is rick perry is dead wrong if you want to read that piece for your self. The topic of a couple of pieces in the newspapers today. The front page of the New York Times. The wall street journal saying that the fate of the talks hangs on three questions. From el paso, texas. Go ahead. We move on to georgia. Independent line. Ive been a libertarian for 15 years. What part of libertarianism that ive always struggled with has been Foreign Policy. Generallyf the accepted position that we are pretty much broke and 17 , it seems liket the only way we will find out if in fact people like rand paul thecorrect as far as how world would change if we became intimately involved in World Affairs is if we do it. We cant afford it anyway. We should become more isolationist. Host betty from florida. Democrats line. Im going to tell you how i feel about the security of the border. We need less soldiers at the border. They go back over there im so upset the way our country has gotten away from the constitution. We are supposed look at our citizens. It is sad to see how our country is being ran. I like obama, but he is not getting it together. They are going to outnumber everybody. I think the president should see that our country is host there is a photo of Elizabeth Warren appearing at west virginia. Talking about her role on the campaign trail. Warren has visited oregon, ohio, washington and minnesota this dozens ofas made the email solicitations on behalf of Democratic Senate colleagues. The trepidation that some democrats feel him standing with president obama and Hillary Clinton has provided an opening for warren. Terry from lafayette, indiana. Republican line. Caller good morning. Youre going to tell me that increase in the women from southn america we need to end the drug laws. Our taxes would be cut by billions of dollars. Marijuana is not worth thousands of dollars a pound. All you need to sunlight and water for the stuff. It would be pennies on the pound. Host douglas from tennessee. Independent line. I want to speak on those children coming in from mexico. Question as as our far as your approach on National Security, where would you stand . Caller more internationalist. Host why so . The tech