peaceful political magazine about all of his convictions to a major drug trafficker to con artists, swimmers, american mafia, russian mobsters and tunnels that send an e-mail asking if you would like to comment and he called me in essence is is, there are a lot of things i like but if you don't stop what you are going to write i am going to sue you. from working on the city council 50 years ago to today, that is the only politician that threatened to sue me. i said, donald, you are a public figure. that would mean you have to prove that i deliberately lied into it. he said, i know i'm a public figure and i will see you anyway. i think this is indicative of his character and authoritarian approach, you do it the way i wanted or i will make life go for you. brian: what was your reaction when he said that? david: people have threatened to sue me a lot of times. it goes with the job. brian: 1988 in atlantic city usage you met up for the first time. david: i have left the los angeles times where i had spent 12 years to go to atlantic city. i believed we were going to see casino gaming spread across america which we did and i wanted to examine whether government could really clean up his business that was traditionally run by crooks. in a couple days and mcdonald. i immediately recognized he was pt barnum, selling tickets to the amazing to headed woman. then i started, because he was a dominant force, i started asking about him and his competitors included steve when and people who work for him in some big gamblers also to me, and all the casino business. on, how could he not know anything about the casino business? he only knows how to extract money. donald and i had a cup of coffee not long after that and i asked him a question about crabs and i do literally made a false statement and all immediately incorporated my falsity into his answer. that is what con artist do. that is what psychics do. i had a couple questions. he immediately embraced my full statements. i realize what i was being told was true, donald does not know anything. it is all bluster, appearance. he is quick. he is smart, but he is not at all studious or deep, and in the book i quote testimony where he gives answers to questions. one of them, my students were third-year law and business students answering a question like this, anyone who is been to the wharton business school will answer like this, donald's answer is gibberish. listen to the answers questions. you ask them, what is your favorite bible verse and he says, no one reads the bible more than donald trump. there are so many, so many, there are just so many. brian: he appeared on the oprah show. david: in 1988. [laughter] brian: that's it shows you my age. here is a clip of donald trump on that show in 1988. [video clip] >> i know people have talked about whether you would want to run. would you ever? >> probably not. >> why would you not? >> i do not think i have the inclination to do it. i love what i'm doing. >> the oval office to stop pay as well. [laughter] >> i just probably would not do it, oprah. i do get tired to see what is happening with this country. i really am tired of seeing what is happening with this country. you said if you did run for president, you believe you would when. in. >> i think i would whenw. i woulwin. i would say i would have a hell of a chance of winning. brian: that was 20 years ago. david: that was the year ps george w. bush to ask him his running mate. donald has been talking about running for president since 1985 and 12 years later he ran and he said i'm going to be the first person to run for president and make a profit. this is indicative of donald. donald will tell you whatever he thinks is an is interest at the moment. that is what con artist you. they tell you whatever you think -- they think you want to hear to get whatever they want. brian: what are your own politics? david: i am a registered republican. i am not a political person. ipo for people on every line that is ever appeared on the ballot for different offices. i do not like politics. this is one of only two campaigns i have covered, the governor's race in action 76 in nevada and i hated covering it. i am a policy got. i am someone who believes that we should be using the government for the purposes, the six noble versus in the preamble, to establish justice, promote general welfare, and in fact, i am developing a new course to teach us a reduce which is how we got because fusion -- at syracuse which is how we got the constitution and its context. brian: to say the donald trump family has not been voters. david: yes. two of his children did not get to vote for him because they were not registered. they then complained about the rules. they should have known them. they are the ones that are responsible for giving this. donald has not voted in a bunch of elections. donald was basically a democrat. one of the things he believes in is universal health care. we should get health care off of the backs of business and it should be a public good, as he says, provided to everybody. that is not a republican party position. brian: give us some background on yourself. david: i was born in san francisco and consider home to be santa cruz, california. my father was a 100% disabled veteran for world war ii. i have the audit experience of coming up in a house over the beach that my parents rented for maybe $400 a month. my mother testified against her father in a lawsuit in 1941 and his only child, my mother was disowned and he was a very wealthy man. i went to work when i was 10 years old. i went to work full-time at 13. i became a reporter for some weekly papers and 17. i work got notice because i did some simple things. if this will board said the average $34,340 house in santa cruz next year will pay $40.11 more in property taxes, i thought that was useless so i quit you will face a much more per $1000 for your house. someone recruited me in the 19 hours writing front page stories as a staff writer. i went to the university of chicago at the graduate school for economics, new york times and just short of 40 years of doing reporting i left and since then i have been a columnist and teacher at syracuse university. i live in rochester and my wife runs the successful community foundation in rochester, new york with the best childcare and all of the united states, canada and western europe in a cost this much more. very smart program. brian: a couple weeks ago, donald trump went to tampa to give a speech and when he got there this video, which was not done by him of course, done by the folks for him. it is about 30 seconds. [video clip] >> something stinks about the pam bondi-donald trump scandal. >> when they call, they kiss my ass. ♪ >> when i call, they kiss my ass. ♪ >> when i call, they kiss my ass. >> demand an investigation into the bondi scandal. brian: so, what is that all about? david: well, donald trump had someone come to him which was a good business idea. the man was in the business of running continued education, lawyers, accountants and courses to make sure they are up on the law and he went and said, why do we not do from real estate -- donald trump real estate? user, that is such a good idea i am taking it away from you and give the guy a tiny steak. they decided to turn it into trump university. you cannot call it a university without a license. university in even the dictionary meaning of the word. trump university quickly became under investigation after a scam. people paid $1500 and what they got for the word high-pressure sales tactics were the faculty would stand over them and show them how to get more money and credit cards so they can pay $35,000 to get the full trump university package. ,onald made a promotional video trump university is all about success and you will have success. we are going to have the best faculty. they will be hand-picked by me, the best of the very best and will get a better education from the best business school because i went to the best. he did not, by the way. he went to the undergraduate program not the graduate. it turned out that the faculty knew nothing about real estate. they included the manager of a fast food joint, two people in personal bankruptcy and a lot of people with experience in high-pressure sales tactics as getting people to run other debt. by the way, if you run appeared to him borrow as much as the banks will possibly give you two paper trump university, how do you have any borrow status for real estate? the new york state attorney general brought a lawsuit on this. pete was told to stop using the word university and he ignored it for some readers. the texas attorney general office is under investigation and pam bondi the attorney general florida said publicly, she was thinking about joining the new york investigation. she and donald has some sid -- had some kind of communication. the donald trump charitable foundation made a campaign contribution to pam bondi. these cannot be involved in political activity. the should cause revocation of their status. before the newspapers reported they were perfectly comfortable with the gift from the donald trump foundation, which is astonishing. pam bobby is a lawyer and she knows better than this. -- pam bondi is a lawyer and she knows better than this. she decided not to participate in the investigation. this is about fundamentally pam bondi, the attorney general that accepted this guest. by the way, the trunk people try to cover this up. they argue, and i explained in money to teach people how to protest against our current abortion laws. they did not get any money. they said, it was a mistake. well, if it is a mistake, pam bondi should give it back and it should go to other organizations. it goes to a core issue about donald. donald has no regard for whatever the law is. he does whatever he wants to do. brian: has he ever been sued? david: he has been sued more than 4500 times by workers he would not pay and there is a chapter in my book about that. he has been sued by vendors, investors who say they have been swindled. right now, right after i finished the book, 18 dealer who supply -- 18 dealer -- a paint dealer was not paid the last $24,000. that is a big part of your profit. he sued and spent more than $300,000 on legal fees trying to collect the $34,000 and the judge finally granted it with the power to foreclose after donald trump's witness testified about, why did you not pay the $34,000 when her contract said you had to pay. esther trump says he feels he has paid enough. he will use the work and he was say, i am not going to pay you for this crap. they will tell you, are you going to spend $300,000 on lawyers fees to fight trump? this happens again and again and again. david: this was published by noble house press in london that do something, but i did with my first book which you interviewed me about back in 1992, i complained back then the publisher was doing everything on paper and they were slow and i said somebody needs to make this modern and quick. these folks did it. brian: wikipedia says it is a liberal publishing house. david: liberal, conservative, i do not care. when i was with the l.a. times that theyditorials would not normally run. i tell people i'm writing for what i'm going to write even when i was a reporter. they never tell me, unless it is breaking news. i would do that. i told him what i'm going to do and i have always done it. if you do a first, you eventually wear them out. brian: where did you get the idea to do this book and when? david: i think all but one chapter has a reference to trump in it. when he announced on june 16, 2015 he was running, i got a hold of my the right agent and said, we should do a book. she called around and everyone said, he is not going to get the nomination and i said, yes, he may get the nomination. i was particularly charged up by the fact that here is giving a speech talking about murderers and rapists for mexico and all of these young people applauding these lines. i thought, midtown manhattan is not known for this. what does he do? are these employees or busy bus people in? later the hollywood reporter revealed they were actors paid $50 each to show up and applaud which shows you what a fraud donald trump is. anyhow, nobody wanted to do a book. at the time it became clear he would get the nomination, for traditional publishers you need about a year and it would be too late. i wrote about 25 pieces about donald for usa today, newsweek, national memo in some other places. many of them aimed at reporters, this is what you should be asking, questioning. no one house calls out of the blue and they ask, can we do the book in three weeks? i said, no. but i said, i can do it by a date later. i wrote the book in 27 days. ell.as h i am not sure i have recovered. i will never do it again. brian: 27 days of this finish, what day was that? david: my closing note is dated fourth of july. i finished the book the fifth of july and finished editing the 10th of july and there is a picture on my facebook page of me sitting in my garden reading the book on the 19th of july, two weeks later and it went on sale two weeks after that. translate another version into german. brian: by the way, you call him a con man and a fraud. how concerned was the publisher, do they fill the lawyers in on this? david: yes, sir. this was vetted by a lawyer. one thing i do not do in the book is i do not break ground in it. what i have done is connected the dots and pull together my words, one of the best reporters in new york city, pieces elsewhere, and i have this enormous collection of from documents -- trump documents. i used to have a storage unit to hold all of my documents but now they have been digitalized. one of my grown children would sit in the other room creating files chronologically for me and after i was done, she would put everything back so we can get back to it when we needed it. the lawyer, i do not think the lawyer changed more than 10 words. i know that several times when he got to a paragraph, yes, wrong for, fixed that right now -- wrong verb, fix them right now. as donald is going to sue me, he will sue me. i was surprised he said that to me. he has tried to intimidate me in the past. i am a guy that hunted down and especially vicious murderer. i have run into a burning building. brian: when was that? david: california to get a better picture. i also ran towards to buildings people were and that they got out before i got there, think goodness. you do what you need to do in your job and my job is to tell people fax it would not know but for my work. i have been tailed by the lapd, the government in taiwan, people connected with it. i have had a lot of people threaten me. it is my job. you do what you need to do when you do the work that i do. the lawyer changed very little in the book. on contrast, i wrote a piece for political magazine -- politico magazine that simply pointed out a number, not all of them, connections to criminals, his business dealings and is gratuitous connections. that was the most heavily lawyered piece of my career with maybe one exception. i have written stories accusing people of murder, people giving up retirement and if it's over a story i wrote. they know heaid cannot win but they can cost him a lot of money. ceo did whatrmer that he gave up his retirement? david: he gave of their retirement package that was described to investors that he would continue to receive while serving the company and then he left his wife and she, a litigator, put into the public record enough information that i was going to show that he was going to get $70 million of the use of a ge jet apartment, parking tickets whether he used them or not. i laid out the economics of the corporate jet and wrote an article in the wall street journal relinquishing all of this saying, those who do not respect their contracts, but that the investor should know what they were paying jack welsh . i know he was furious at the mention of my name and he is entitled. i cost him a lot of money. brian: in the book you talk about the academy of hospitality. hospitality sciences, i think. this is an organization run by a particular mob associate. is the most what procedures award in the world, not the most procedures travel award but the most procedures, the five diamond award and the six-time in the war. 19 donald trump properties have these awards which huge plaques on the wall and they are signed by him. they are also signs of the chairman of the board of the academy, donald j. trump. donald trump gives awards to himself. there are videos on the internet or you can see this. it is absurd, giving awards to yourself. brian: it works. the golf you look at magazine, the 100 best golf course, no donald trump course is on a list. brian: what does he do best? david: he is masterful at making a household name. we have been mentioned for years but neither of us are a household name. that is quite an accomplishment for him. he has created an image for himself as the modern midus, everything he touches turns to gold. he has also been successful in getting even network television in america to run stories that he is surrounded by women like madonna pounding on his door. brian: carla brandy mary to sarkozy of france. david: when she became the first lady of france he had the opportunity on the howard stern show to back away from these imaginary lover stories he planted and he did not. the people have an image of him that has nothing to do with the reality of who he is. his building of the trump tower. that is a significant accomplishment. it is on fifth avenue in manhattan rent in the middle of the city. it is 58 stories he tells everybody it is 68. that is how he exaggerates things. those of the things he, pushes very well. they concluded that the 496 companies they study, donald came in dead last almost last in every single category. this does not surprise people that have worked for donald and competitors. he is good at creating an image of himself that does not parallel with reality. brian: how did he get in the middle of this? david: when donald was divorcing his first wife, he went out of his way to publicly humiliate the mother of his children. he planted all sorts of news stories, competition going on with madonna, carla brodie were trying to become the next mrs. trump and he used a pr man named trumparon who was donald they call that these news organizations and they did not know who he was posing as a pr man promoting trump. people magazine out of them at the time. brian: we have a clip. that was back in 1991. david: 1990 or 1991, yes. brian: there will be language on the screen, that is donald trump masquerading. david: absolutely. that is donald. they outed him in the story. they made fun of him. a middle-aged man acting like a 13 oh boy talking about some girl he was with. it is just extraordinary. brian: here is a little bit of this. it starts as low but you will be able to. right away. [video clip] >> he really decided that he did not want to make any commitment. it was too soon. he is coming out of the marriage and he is starting to do tremendously well financially. he is somebody that has a lot of options and frankly, he gets called by everybody. this in terms of women. he gets calls from a lot of people. >> like to? you? >> he was just set up with, madonna calls. i mean i don't know if you want to listen to this. brian: going by the name john miller. did she know this was donald trump? david: she figured out very quickly. he explained such intimate detail that it was clear it was donald trump and people magazine there aree saying, odd stories, unusual stories, funny stories and then there is this really bizarre story. brian: how long did he do that? david: four years. he did that calling up journalists. destroyed the football league with a litigation strategy rather than a market strategy. he would call up news organizations to find different reporters and then he would call himself and verify the story to get it planted. he did this and got the story planted that went in the new york times about the football league. he also used to to threaten people with litigation that they did not back off. -- if they did not back off. there were one or 50 illegal immigrants from poland that were illegal were 150 immigrants from poland pay four dollars per hour, sleeping on the site in the middle of winter because they had nowhere else to go. they did not have hardhats or goggles or any safety equipment, and they did not get paid, and so they threatened to hang his overseer off the side of the building because they had not gotten paid. donald was found by a federal judge who was gauged in conspiracy to cheapen workers out of their money, four dollars an hour and he is not paying them. brian: what is it and what is the story? david: a high-end italian jewelry company with stores all over the world, including across the street from con tower. donald trump engaged -- trump tower. donald trump engaged in a box scam. he had them shipped out of state. they were shipped out of state to a nonresident of new york. the taxes is not enforced very much. donald was not eligible for this because he lived in new york across the street. when law enforcement got onto this and the new york attorney general begin investigating, donald got wind of this. and his casino license, involvement in any crime would wipe away his license. he went to law enforcement. mary tyler moore, henry kissinger were involved in this. it is a scam that has gone on to decades, and it continues to go on right now. brian: because people know it. david: and the bulgari was so cheap in telling this. set of paying the postage for the weight of the jewelry, they save money by sending empty boxes with no weight. evidencetory is clear of donald participating in tax cheating. that should have cost him his casino license had the state of new jersey had any interest in tightening up and forcing the on donaldorcing law with clear evidence that they are morally fit. friends, some of your if you are with your friends and donald trump was with elected president. you look at the screen and see he is the winner, what is the first thing you would say to him? david: i would say, how long until we have a constitutional crisis? he does not understand the powers and duties under the constitution. he talks like the president is a dictator. he has said he will order the military to engage in illegal acts. if you are a senior u.s. military officer, you are reading up very clearly on how you refuse an order from the military commander-in-chief. somewhere to the -- bomb where our friends hour, torture people. that would be the big concern. the second would be if donald was president of the united states, i am certain i would have trouble with somebody and federal law enforcement. he would find some way to make my life bad because that is who he is. his philosophy, which he has written about and interviewed anybody -- ifoy somebody does you a favor, destroy their life and take pleasure. he says when he destroys peoples lives, it makes him so happy. if he gets elected, i am going to have trouble. brian: what would you say to the same group if hillary clinton is elected? know, i have not thought a lot about that. hillary clinton, like john kasich, is competent to be president. she knows the job and how to do it. i don't think she will pursue polities -- policies in the long-term interest of the country. i know -- brian: but you are an investigative reporter. you must have looked at the foundation. david: i can't do everything. i don't know hillary clinton. , ii had gone to little rock would be writing a book about hillary clinton. city, and ilantic met donald trump. there are well-written books and also garbage on both of them. there are well-written books. i encourage people to read those books. i have written about hillary clinton twice in my life very i have never spoken to her or anybody on her staff. in 1997 in the new york times, i pointed out they paid twice as much income tax as the lot $9,000d despite having of having taxes prepared. that is because she mishandled taxes from her book, "it takes a village." she was furious. she did not know about it. the new york times published my story the first year. i had measures outlined up about it. , i went to thear white house to get the present -- president's tax returns, and i said there is nothing here about the new book. letter to body and socks. i said, yeah. cousinsesman said the -- clintons gave the publishing rights to it charity. i said, oh really? they should not take their advice from the new york times, but they obviously did that. years were you with the new york times? i was withs left -- him for 13 years. i left in 2008. i should we could cover taxes in a different way. in terms of how the system actually works opposed to what politicians and others say about it. which is why i write out of my out of rochester. and i follow politicians, things right in front of us that we were not paid attention to. taxes.ally i did as measured by congress, my work resulted in over a quarter trillion dollars of tax dodges being stopped, and a lot of people went to prison. brian: what was the biggest? david: the biggest was, president bush had it in his tax but he would not show it before the election, a stealth provision that would allow -- brian: which bush? david: president h w bush. it would repeal the gift tax. that was an idea conservative republicans put in law in the 1920's. when the white house press secretary ari fleischer was asked about this, he said i knew my stuff about taxes. they quietly withdrew this provision that congress later, staff reports showed in the first 10 years, a quarter of a trillion dollars. that was the bermuda mailbox scam and a lot of other -- the professor that teaches law at duke called me the tax enforcement officer of the united states. brian: you told me before we started, you have a book you are planning on taxes. david: the book i was writing on was called the prosperity tax, an entirely new federal tax code for the 21st century economy. we have a really great tax system in america for 1960. we no longer live in the industrial age. we live in the industrial age tax system. we need a tax system for the current economy. this book will have statutory language. i'm not a lawyer, but i have a data to write statutory language. i'm expected it to be about 100 pages. law.things all in the there was only one thing that is not already in the law. it is much simpler. very few people will have to file tax return. nobody has to. there is a group that can choose to. corporations will be more efficient, we can shrink the irs down, and i set up a mechanism that if you want to cheat, you have to engage in conspiracy with the other person. the other person is liable, you will both go to prison. brian: what is the publishing time this? david: i am not teaching this year, so hopefully 2018. brian: speaking of tax, how much tax the donald trump a what you know? pay fromnald trump what you know? in recent years his adjusted gross income, the last line on the front page, was less than $500,000. the tax law has all sorts of provisions that allows some people at the top to live tax-free or virtually tax-free. private equity managers, hedge fund managers, and people who are full-time real estate professionals like donald trump. there is good reason to believe that because of those rules that donald probably has paid no since 1978. brian: do you think you will -- david: release the tax return? it will never happen. if you could not tell anything from his reaction, give me his complete tax return for one year , and it will tell you the value of his hard assets, i will tell you where his income sources are. it would say a lot about him. brian: you mentioned a lot about his religion, donald trump's religion and also his bible reading. jerry junior who spoke at the convention this year on his behalf and has been supporting him. [video clip] >> my family and i have grown to trumpse trials for -- for other reasons. we have never met such a generous family. i truly believe he is america's blue-collar billionaire. brian: yeah? david: i have met him and spent time with monsters who were family men. that does not trouble me. the pastors who are saying donald trump is a good christian man, donald trump, in his own words, is aggressively antithetical to christianity. first off, he denigrates the union. he will eat the cracker. when he is asked as he has been many times to cite a favorite passage from the bible, because he says nobody reads the bible more than donald trump, he gets -- there is just so many. one time he tried, he got it wrong. he said leviticus, and i for an eye.- an eye for an matthew 39 to 45, the message was he turned the other cheek, he was kind to other people. donald rejects that. he says people who do that, you are fools, you are idiots, you are smocks. -- smucks. a well-documented record. to the pastors endorsing donald trump, if they want to say he is better than the other person, i don't have a problem because that makes perfect sense, but do not deceive your fox. do not allow this meant a big out you with flattery. i have e-mailed them and offered my thoughts and a short description. one got back to basically say, if we want to know anything, we will get in touch with you. ministers have the duty to not deceive their flocks until the man whose only lengthy statement and actions are aggressively anti-the message of jesus christ is a good christian man and to vote for him, that is an awful development. factors told into account. the members of their flocks and other religious leaders should be raising cain about this. brian: give me an idea of why this man is supporting him. they had the largest christian university with their online service. david: i hope it is because he is badly informed. that is my hope. my concern is he is more interested in political sounding than following the message of jesus christ. brian: you have a story in your --k about a man named satter but sometimes you say it was spelled sater. is the sonx satter .f a reputed russian mob boss he was donald trump's key advisor. he had business cards, senior adviser to donald trump. his office was in the main sweep -- suite of trump tower. they traveled all over together, colorado, denver, phoenix, fort lauderdale, new york. a were involved in putting building products together. felix satter is the defender in a private attorney action in new york. he was accused of tax fraud. his only accusation. it could not have taken place but for a letter donald trump signed and authorized changes that made it possible. this tax fraud goes to icelandic ranks to ocean -- russian oligarchs. he is a convicted violent felon. -- he put the broken end of a margarita stem into a man's face. he is a convicted stock swindler with the help of four mob families in new york, he ran a $40 million stock scam. donald is not supposed to be, when he had a casino, associating with these folks. secondly, they are borrowing money from banks and they hid this. sometimes he has an extra t in his name is so journalists would not find out about his background. donald trump had a duty to investors, and what he acquired from this man's background, he did not or did not want to. he has told, i think it was the ap, jason horowitz, i think it was a when he said this to. he said i hardly know the man. if he was in the room, i would not recognize him. i have photographs and videos of them together. that is absurd. he knows this guy very well. this is part of the not fully developed understanding we have about donald's connection to the putin regime and the russian oligarchs that should be very much the subject of a lot of inquiry by my peers. they should be deeply into what is it donald trump is advancing in primary foreign-policy objective of vladimir putin we can do? he has been paid millions of dollars by russian oligarchs -- i had every one of them in a room in moscow, eight years ago. he has tried to do all sorts of deals in russia. there is a 47 rebuilding in one of the former soviet empire building -- 47 story in one of the former soviet empire countries. there is this alleged tax fund -- fraud. satter is that the center of all of this. what is donald trump spending years for with this convicted violent felon and stock swindler. there are lots of stuff including hiding his criminal background from investors that damage their interests. brian: what marx would you give your peers that you mentioned? david: i think the american news media has done an awful job. nobody does it for barack obama -- actually, they did. just go read the news. i know about women he dated, went to grammar school with, lots about him. what his professors said about him at columbia and harvard where he was incredibly highly regarded. this is an example. case, you arep's only now certain to see an inquiry into him. the washington post had 20 reporters on this. i helped them with documents. most journalists don't, but i do. they have done some pretty good stories. they are written in the way that hype about -- highbrow newspapers do. unless you are the reader, you don't get the point. the wall street journal has done nothing of consequence. the new york times has recently done some very good stories, but very highbrow fashion that you cannot easily grasp what is going on. brian: [indiscernible] david: absolutely appalling. brian, i have been on national networks, national networks in australia, canada, britain, france, germany. i have not been on a single u.s. broadcast network, not a morning talk show. there are people that don't know anything, talking about donald trump and speculating, and i can give them hard facts. brian: [indiscernible] david: first of all, donald trump is gray television. you can't turn it off -- great television. you can't turn it off. and when they turn off donald trump, people turn off their tvs. it is like watching a car wreck. it is like watching an incredible car wreck. there is commercial interest. new drums have been trumped enormously. -- newsrooms have been trump enormously. the resources are there. i once spent $10,000 at the los for onetimes money paragraph. to get $10,000 to do a story, you have to really convince editors there is something substantial there. and i think more importantly, the duty of journalists, which is to tell you that which people don't want to tell you, has been in decline because of all the attacks from people who don't want to hear things. they mount attacks. both of us write about this. brian: here is his dad, 1985, getting the horatio alger reward. [video clip] >> i used to watch other and that theyple are good, that they are bad. i follow the good qualities they ,ave two perfect myself thinking never follow an empty wagon up here. never follow an empty wagon, because nothing ever falls off. brian: i don't know if that is shakespeare, maybe that is there. david: but he was an incredibly industrious guy. but he also was a guy that profiteer non-g.i. housing after the war and president eisenhower , when he found out fred trump had $4 million of excess profit, the proof of that is 100 federal investigative report on fred trump and other developers. this is indicative of the future on donald trump. he said, this is all just a misunderstanding. i did not profiteer. i have not taken any money. it is in the bank, i did not take it, so it is i am not a profiteer. so was fred trump on his? -- honest? they covered applications for rebels. a renter? with stuff to rent, they would be steered away to black and latino apartments. we heard about his racism because of the generosity of the guthrie family in a book. for hisll-known association with the mob guys, through willy tomasello, his partner. brian: there was a documentary that has held up a long time. here is an excerpt called "trump was the deal." you can buy it for two dollars $2.99. -- here is an excerpt, and i want you to explain after we see this. [video clip] >> it was the biggest high-stakes game on the boardwalk in years. the players, merv griffin and donald trump. the prize was the unfinished are small. won.won, i won, i those hetell america won. i would say, donald, you one. hehe had called me after negotiated to sell the property to merv griffin. he said, did not give you the best deal, didn't i get the best to merv griffin? i said it was great you sold the property, but you may look back. mahal isuying the taj going to be a bad thing for you. what do you mean? it is going to be the greatest success ever. you just don't understand. brian: so what happened to the taj mahal and this lucky mentoring? -- this documentary? david: they both could not pay bond interest, which was what happened. there was a terrific job of telling you donald trump won. it was only shown twice. his litigation shut it down. they shut down many things with litigation. i wrote a proposal for a tim burton movie about donald trump. and his litigation meant it never came about. finally hendrix decided when he was running for president, i have got to put this out. the updated it in the opening because people need to see it. it is 80 minutes, a great big lesson on donald trump. was particular deal indicative of the fact donald trump the not have the business skills he says he has. he cannot visualize is on market. he took over this white elephant willproperty, and his name disappear october 10 from atlantic city because his casinos are gone. and he is around saying it is terrible in atlantic city. there are casinos today make a nice, fat profits, above average for the country, for all businesses. because he was, his company was terribly managed. three of his executives were killed in a helicopter crash unfortunately. every other casey droned out his confident executive -- case he droned out his confident executives. if you are confident, what are you going to put up with this for? he put in place yes-men. and they said it will be full of many people you would never hear distinguishing characteristic will be loyalty to donald trump, not the constitution or the long-term welfare of the country but to donald trump the person. brian: i have a couple more names i want to bring up. bob? david: it was the biggest loser in atlantic city. he was a con man and a mob guy, not a main guy, but a mob associate who i spent a lot of time with. and donald was fined for moving black women and asian dealers and cocktail waitresses because he thought it was turning favor with bob because bob was losing money with crazy language. and when they interviewed him they said, i did not know donald trump was doing that. that is outrageous. i say these terrible words, but i am not a racist. donald trump is the racist. bob tells you a racist, that is pretty bad. brian: where is he now? david: he died a few years ago. donald tried to seduce his daughter. and someone else told bob and then they told the story to me. he got to keep all the way from your daughter, because you will kill him, and i will lose my best customer. bob, as he told a story to me, went to donald and said, after donald had given her a cream-colored nurse 80's and had a video made for her birthday and other things, if you approach might daughter, -- my daughter, i will castrate you without the benefit of a knife. brian: you comment about his journal phobia, but now he is -- his germ of phobia -- germopho bia, but now he is shaking hands. david: he is now shaking hands. somebody told him it is not good if you don't do that. brian: i will you pronounce this name. kashiwagi, i am the only journalist watched him gamble at $14 million an hour. donald trump brought him twice to atlantic city. he completely mishandled this guy. should have won $12 million but lost $6 million. i recount in the book what story -- what happened here. jeff markham, a teenager who went on to be a cofounder of the rand corporation, one of the geniuses of the last century, was told to watch the game because he was convinced the guy was cheating. there was half $1 million of chips missing that nobody else notice. he had a fax scam temper half $1 million of chips. -- he had in fact scammed him of half $1 million in chips. 87 to one odds that he would wipe the guy out. but instead he walked away from the table, and donald lost money as a result. so donald just doesn't know anything. brian: back to the lawyers in this book, what do they excise from the book? david: nothing was excised. we just did some minor light editing. i have been doing this for so many years, 50 years now. i know how to write things so they are legal and they are fair. brian: how did you get on the new york times best seller list? david: a lot of people brought the book -- bought the book. brian: how did they find out about it? david: i have a twitter following. melville house is good at marketing. they were telling people about the book. initial orders for bookstores were nothing because there were a bunch of trump books. my fear was, what would happen if my last two got sold? they ran out of books. a lot of bookstores ran out of books, and then they started ordering lots of books. it was just devastating to me the first time around. i am going up on the new york times bestseller list, and they don't have enough books. this time, the people at melville house have been extraordinary in their inner standing of how you -- in their understanding of how you market a book. brian: any other title? david: i wanted it to call "the art of deception." that is not a neutral title and it turns people off. i have had people post and on the neighborhood -- internet because they think it is pro-donald trump. grandfather who was a german draft dodger that made a fortune running war houses on through donald development, education and his associations. . -- balance to battle his masterful pr image of himself with all of the things donald does not want you to know. guest has been david cay johnston. you can find him in the university of syracuse, university of rochester, new york. and if on twitter? david: davidcayj. brian: thank you for joining us. david: thank you, brian. 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