Not any politician. Robert exactly right. Brian why . Robert he studies power. I love politics. I love history. Trump had a fundraiser for jeb i love seeing how people use bush years ago. Power, and how people in he had a fundraiser for george congress and in president ial h. W. Bush when he owned the campaign. Plaza. It is hard to define. As a reporter, you are seeking he likes the bushes somewhat and out who is in action, who is controlling situations, what is then revolts against them. The cost they are paying, what the breaking point with trump are they trying to do to use and the bushes with the iraq power . Brian anyone coming to your war. Mind when using power aside from ever since 2004 he probably broke on the iraq war and they broke on they war and they have not Lyndon Johnson that robert carol wrote about . Robert mcconnell. He understands the machinations of power and how to use congress to get things done. In president ial campaigns, president obama. He understand movement politics, how to excite a new generation. The way he campaigned in 2008 was a fresh way of using the campaign as a tool to get power. Been friends since. Brian i want have you been at at thelong have you been brian suppose you look at some of those folks born as elitists. Explain why people react the way they do. Robert there is real anger towards the washington, new york crowd. When i am on the trail, i am a capitol hill for a truck rally. I said im just a reporter. Washington post they think that northeast media, robert january 2014. Whether it is Washington Post or i may National Political the new york times, whether it is politicians like boehner or reporter. I cover political campaigns, mcconnell, they feel angry about congress, and work on the what has happened the obama era, stories of the day. Very unhappy with president whatever is driving the national obama, and they think the press conversation, that is what i is complicit, which i dont cover. Id like to do some think is fair, and they see the investigative on the side, the republicans in congress as background of politicians and complicit. Their aides. The stars of the republican brian why do you do this . Robert i love this. Party are not elected officials. I did not really know what i they are the voices on the wanted to do when i was in high outside. School and college. I just loved politics. And i thought to myself, to me, it is like sitting in the dugout of a baseball game. Big baseball fan. When you go to conservative events, Phil Robertson of the dynasty, sarah palin, donald trump. They get the biggest crowds. And they are not elected officials. Brian biggest claim conservatives have against the media, and is there enough conservative media out there for people to get the information they need . Robert i think, as someone who if youre in congress and in new worked for National Review, there are sometimes reasons to hampshire, and you get to go up say some things could be more straight at certain to these politicians and talk to publications, but i am a fan of them and see how they react to great journalism and i like it questions, situations, it gives whether it is in washington me a bit of a drill. Post, or National Review. It never a thrill. I think the writer can have a it never gets old. Point of view. To be a close, to see it, it i dont think anything needs to gets me going every day. Brian you got a masters degree be clinical. At cambridge. Why were you at cambridge . In my world, i think it should robert when i was in notre be as straight as possible, dame, i did a semester in london especially when covering and i worked in the house of politics. I think that is the way it common. Should be done. Andrew ansley was a tory. Cameron was down the hall in the portcullis house. I loved the experience working in the house of commons as a researcher. I would watch the debates and the yelling. It was fun. One person i met during that time was a professor named andrew gamble. Brian i want to show you another slide about debt. When ross perot was running back in 1992, two years before that, the debt in america was 3. 2 a socialist, actually, but a historian of the british political system and conservative party. He runs politics at the university of cambridge. Trillion and the gdp was 5. 9 he and i had some tea at trillion. Westminster and struck it off. 18. 13 is not accurate. I didnt think i was going to grad school. The only graduate school i applied to was cambridge and i ended up going there. I did my masters degree, my thesis, on churchill. They stopped counting at the moment were doing the issue. They stopped counting until the budget is worked out. You see the gdp. Churchills archives and what is your reaction . Margaret thatchers archives are in the same building at robert there was a moment in republican politics where the Churchill College at cambridge. Debt consumed the gop, but i to go over those papers and think that moment is over. You look at donald trump not notes was great. Talking about getting rid of i did it for about 10 months and medicare or reforming them. That was that. Mike huckabee is doing the same brian what did you learn about thing. Winston churchill and power . Robert one thing i learned was power takes a long time to develop and it is often based on relationship. One of the things that fascinated me was the Anglo American relationship that developed around world war ii. It was cultivated for decades by the paul ryan wing of the party churchill. Has been weekend by what an american mother, but he came happened with 2012 with romney over in the teens and 20s and and ryan losing. 30s. Were entering a new phase, from he kept building relationships what i can see in my working, with people in business, the in my reporting, where the debt cultural scene, politics. Is not front and center. National security perhaps, the economy. Different questions about he recognized that power is not something you call upon or leadership in washington. Exerted when you are in a it is the debt. Leadership position, but based the activists are not as angry on relationships and that is why about it. Brian lets listen to what i call it the qualitative side donald trump said in june 2015. Of politics. Quantitative, polling, all of that matters. There is a qualitative, personal side to power, and churchill was a genius in not how he used [video] people, but used relationships to put his country in a position mr. Trump i will bring back our at a time of crisis, and the jobs from china, mexico, from so relationships he built himself played a big heart. Many places. I will bring back our jobs and double bring back our money. Right now think of this. We owe china 1. 3 trillion. Played a big part. We owe japan more than that. So they come in, they take our jobs, they take our money, and they loan us back the money and we pay interest. And then the dollar goes up, so the deal is even better. How stupid are our leaders . How stupid are these politicians brian there is a story about you that relates to the time you to allow this to happen . Were reporting a lot on inside the Republican Party on capitol hill, where supposedly party brian throw in the fannie and people said stop leaking to that freddie money that china has, is guy. A lot more than one point 3 trillion robert i have spoken than 3 trillion. That what is your point on this . Robert i have spoken to trump about this multiple times. Stop leaking to bob kostas there is an opening for trump on costa. Robert that is why i go by trade because, when you look at robert costa. What happened in Congress Since it happened during 2013 during republicans took over, very the government shutdown. Little has gotten done. They think the negotiator, that was a fun time to be a someone from the outside, that reporter. Is a powerful argument for trump one thing i recognized early on is to report on congress, you to make. They think one thing that has cant go through eight. There are so many great reporters on capitol hill. This is just an observation and gotten done it is trade became a way of reporting on congress. Promotional authority. You need to know the personal email addresses of members. You need to know their cell phones. That has irritated grassroots you can have a text relationship with them and an email relationship with them. Republican voters. They see ships coming over. The most important thing to trump does not always use the cover in congress is to get best figures, but there is a things directly from the source in the room. Feeling out there among the i was going directly to members. Electorate that china, japan, you have to be careful because different nations are getting some members always want to talk better deals with the united on the record. Sometimes they just want to give states. Off the record guides. If you can have those contacts at your tips out of 435, you could have 2030 people you trust and build a whole scene i think that aspect of trump, the negotiator who will revamp u. S. Trade policy. From 510 people. Brian do you remember the first time you texted someone inside a meeting and they fired back at you . Robert 2009. When i started covering congress, 2010 especially, during the health care fight. I came to washington from new york to Cover Congress and i remember people were shocked that i was asking all these we have seen aspects of it with buchanan in 1992, different people having a more nativist argument, but trump is doing it in a totally different way a someone who has made these deals. Brian we first noticed ross members for the numbers. Perot in 1988 when he spoke at they would give me their office the National Press club. Numbers. Listen to what he said. I would say, i want your personal number. One thing i learned as a reporter is never be afraid to ask for information. A lot of times they would be happy to give it. [video recording] mr. Trump lets look at how the a lot of members dont have japanese banks got all the money. Friends in washington. You become someone they trust, go home tonight, look at your who is not going to misuse electronics, see how you can information, it was reliable as find how many u. S. Names him. I rest my case. A reporter. Go out to the parking lot and see what you drive. What you buy those products . And who is reliable as a you thought they were the best. Reporter. I cant ask you to buy made in the usa unless you think it is the best. I cant ask you to do that. They make the best products. We bought their products. We are the worlds biggest customer. They make great products. We bought their products. They got our money. We have their products. [laughter] our money is in their banks. Guess what . Their banks are now lending our i have always asked people for their contact information. Government the money so that we i am often sharing my rolodex can continue living in this with reporters. Not being afraid to ask, get the fantasyland beyond our means. Contacts. Sometimes a member will say this happened in a meeting and they brian the difference between will say to another person, did that really happen . Then and now is 3 trillion in i will go to member a and say, are you sure . Debt and now it is close to 19 that was right. Boehner said this or mcconnell trillion. Said that. Brian republican conservative cynics, who would be very surprised that you came from the robert a bigger theme out of National Review to the perots talk about the debt is Washington Post. He is talking about trade and george will did it. The economy that a different class in the Republican Party. 1970s. The early this is where the divide is. Where i covered things every he was a columnist. Day. You are not a columnist. Capital a was in the why did the Washington Post hire someone from the National Review . Few weeks ago. Robert i was coming out of cambridge and i wanted to cover or whether its in iowa, new politics. Hampshire. It was a great opportunity to be there is a this case for what they see as a push by companies to push different trade deals, who are encouraging of comprehensive immigration reform. And they think there is an aspect of the outlook and party a William Buckley fellow. That is being driven by the they wanted to start something corporations and the corporate for journalists in the magazine. Interest. I was the inaugural buckley fellow. I read Washington Post. I was in my early 20s. And, that is why they love when i knew i did not really have the interest in writing a column or being in editorialist and it was not my thing. You just have to know yourself. Someone like perot for trump i never aspired to be some sort steps in as someone from the of big columnist. Corporate world and makes the counter argument. That is where the power lies with trump. He is not being per trade as an portrayed as an elitist. I said to rich lowry, editor of the National Review, saying his rivals are can i cover politics . At the time, it was more colorful, and i wanted to do straight reporting. His real power is someone who comes from being in that world and go against it. That is what excites people who are upset about the debt. Brian were going to look at donald trump again from earlier this year. Keep in mind that as he talks, there are 12 major automobile plants owned by foreign governments in this country right now. Watch this. I look at it as a trade magazine. [video recording] if you are working at car and driver, it does not mean you mr. Trump now ford announces a few weeks ago that ford is going to build a 2. 5 billion car and truck and parts manufacturing plant in mexico. Are in love with the car industry. 2. 5 billion dollars. It is going to be one of the largest in the world. So lets say congratulations. That is the good news. You are covering cars for car let me give you the bad news. Lovers. Every car and every truck and when i was at nation review, i am reporting for republican inside baseball stuff. Every part manufactured in this i think the Washington Post recognize i never wrote a column or editorial. I was a reporter at a trade plant that comes across the magazine. Brian how old were you in 1992 . Robert six or seven. Brian i want to show you on the border, we are going to charge screen a poll that was taken in you a 35 tax. The middle of 1992. This is a poll when ross perot was running against george h. W. Bush and bill clinton. [crowd cheering] middle of 1992. Mr. Trump that tax is going to be paid simultaneously with the transaction. In november of that year, bill that is it. Clinton was elected president. Brian when nikki haley was at the press club, she bragged that what you think of that poll . The largest bmw plant, i think, in the world, is in south carolina. Robert i have been to that robert we are seeing the perot plan. I traveled around the American Movement comeback with donald south. Trump. You see car plants everywhere. One person i got to know, ed but did you see how the crowd rollins, veteran republican , chanted, yes . Consultant, he was a great yes. Trump is not always using resource to me as a source. Specific data. He was cocampaign manager for pointusing data perot in 1992. Data points that he thinks perot brought these people in together to see if they could make this happen. There is the anger you saw in 1992 with perot, the appetite for a political outsider. It is there again. Helps his own case and he is connecting with a feeling out in a way, when you look at there, not necessarily entirely factual, but it is a feeling people close to trump, when did among republican voters. People can shrug it out and look it happen . At a car plant here. After three terms, a long they are right. That does not demean trumps republican period. Case. They think the debt is rising. They dont think the future will be as good for their grandkids and kids. Even though it has been to terms and so trump is connecting with them in that fashion. Of obama, we are in a post obama era. There is a lot of angst in both parties. That is why connects with competitors. They say, it is not entirely true. They are right. But, does it matter lyrically . We will see. Brian this is from 1992 in october 5 team. This is a wellknown thing. Did you ever meet ross perot . Robert never. Brian did you watch much of what he had to say . Robert i remember the perot campaign. I was interested in a row at perot was different in that he was running an independent bid. There are so similarities on the i was interested day in ross trail and you see the move. I would blend 92 perot and buchanan together. You mix what was happening with perot and buchanan in 1992 perot even at sevenyearsold. Against the republican establishment, against george h. W. Bush, and i think decades i was collecting his stickers. Later, there is another bush who is this perot coming out of struggling. Nowhere . I understood he even at robert i am 29yearsold. Sevenyearsold, talking with my perot hadothers, why brian when do you turn 30 . A following. Robert october 14. Brian we asked you lots of he was fresh. You cannot discount it. Things, to look at perot versus brian we will talk about your trump just for the purpose of analyzing the content. Family in a moment. We will go back to 1992 and pick there is ross perot. Up perot clips and just recently, some from mr. Trump. Lets run the trump first. [video recording] mr. Perot we have got to stop sending jobs overseas. For those of you in the audience who are business people, pretty mr. Trump this is a selffunded simple. Campaign. You are paying 14 an hour for we have our heart in it. Factory workers. You can move your factory south of the border, pay one dollar and our for your labor, no health care, that is the most expensive single element making the cost, have no pollution controls, and no retirement, and we have our soul in it. You dont care about anything we dont need money, we dont but making money. Want money, and this will be a Campaign Like no others. I am not controlled by lobbyists. Im not controlled by anybody. Im controlled by the people of there will be a giant sucking south. Oing the country in order to make our country great again. Brian what do you hear . If the people send me to washington, the first thing i will do is study that 2000 page agreement to make sure it is a twoway street. Robert giant sucking sound. Just hearing perot talk about jobs in that way, it reminds me of how i see trump all the time. If big rally at a football when i was down in mobile, alabama, this summer, at a big rally at a football field there. Ro