caller: how are you doing? i haven't had a smartphone because i cannot afford one but i will go to moveon.org. i would like to run for president and i still in my own business but lost everything because of the downturn. i bought a house in 2008 and nobody told me not to buy a house. in 2009, jim cramer said, i sold all my property in 2000. then i hear marco rubio talking on fox news saying, i sold my house in 2007. he was a guy with two kids, married, why would you sell his house in 2007 if he did not know there would be a clash? -- crash? all of these insiders have all the money. the heritage foundation, all these people have the money and they do not want to pay taxes. that is why they want a smaller government because they don't want to pay taxes. all the inside information, now they don't want to pay taxes. nobody ever told me about the stock market. i was in business 25 years, thousands of customers, nobody ever told me about the stock market. host: let's hear from anna galland. guest: thank you for your call. i would pull out a couple of things -- number one, i'm so sorry about the struggles you faced and number two, it is not just you. millions of americans lost their homes, whose livelihood took a big hit, lost big chunks on their 400 case -- on the 41 case. here's the thing -- 401(k)s. here is the thing, a broader problem in our economy that we need to face is historic levels of inequality, corporations not paying their fair share to make it right. as you get later in the discussion on the 2016 presidential election, what all of us want to see, not just on the left it on the right as well, we want to see candidates for president and all of our elected officials talking about what they are going to do to make our economy work for everyone. if you work hard, you should be able to have a decent life. that means that people that are fighting for a minimum wage increase are fighting a battle that we should support. that means when we talk about breaking up the big banks or imposing a transaction tax on financial transactions and we talk about making sure that wall street is held accountable, those are all the things we need to make sure are coming up in the context of the 2016 presidential election debate. those are the kinds of policies we need to be pushing for from our elected officials, said thank you for sharing your story and i think you the economy more fair is one of the great causes of our time and i think we need to ask that probably people who represent us in washington. host: i want to show you the recent poll numbers. it has hillary clinton up 45% and bernie sanders at 22%. they also put joe biden into the picture at 18%, what do you make of the current numbers, current situation on the democratic side? what is missing in your view in terms of person or a type of dialogue? you started to allude but tell us more. guest: i think this is still an open race on the democratic side in the primary for president. a lot can happen between now and november and it is actually important that we have a real series of debates to debate the issues affecting our country. that we really get to have a real open conversation about the challenges we face as a nation, and that can happen. that is one of the reasons you have an open debate leading up to the presidency, right? and the real contest of ideas. in terms of polling numbers, still an open race and we look forward to seeing the robust and vigorous debate this fall and spring to talk about what we need as a country. of course, we move on, i think as people may remember, we ran a vigorous campaign in late last year and into this year calling on senator elizabeth warren to enter the fray and bring her voice into the 2016 presidential mix. that of course did not happen. we are encouraged to see that all the candidates are beginning to talk about real issues. i think you saw this week or late last week that hillary clinton, as well as martin o'malley and bernie sanders, have signed on to a bill introduced in both the senate and house that would close the revolving door between wall street banks and government by eliminating the golden parachute that banks give, huge bonuses to outgoing members of their staff before they enter government. that is an important sign that candidates are listening to the progressive movement, that we have momentum right now in making a case that we need to make the economy more fair, we need to address big money and politics, we need to do something to address catastrophic climate change. you see all these terrible fires happening out west, another reminder of it, we need to listen to and heed the movement for black lives who are making important arguments about black people's experience in america today, and we need to support diplomacy rather than get into other open-ended wars abroad. all these issues are vital, they are animating the grassroots base of the democratic party and we need to hear from all the candidates on where they stand on those issues. host: on to alabama. republican, michael. hey, michael. caller: hi. i was just wondering [indiscernible] hillary compares the republicans terrorists and it seems like she is putting the democrat senate on blast for not going with the bill. people just have their own views and why do you have to put them down like that if they are democrat or republican? guest: thank you for the question. generally, i do not want to put anyone down. i appreciate you asking for civility and asking for a respectful question to take into account different views. the way i see it is that we are in a moment where there is an important policy choice facing elected officials in our government. there will be a vote in less than two weeks in the house and the senate where our elected officials will decide whether to support or undermine the breakthrough diplomatic agreement with iran that will prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. it is a historic win, this diplomatic agreement is -- for those who want to see our country engaging with the world in a pragmatic way, but in a way that leads with muscular diplomacy rather than costly avoidable wars. i think this is a massive decision, hugely consequential for members of our armed services, consequential for those of us who want to see investment here at home and are eroding infrastructure, in human needs, and all the things we need to be investing in in the united states and around the world. it is a big decision. when i say that we have been holding democratic members of congress accountable, it is because -- i mean that in a sense that we are holding them politically accountable. we want to see them make a decision that secures peace and security for the next generation. if they vote to put us on a path to war, we will respectfully, civilly, but strongly call them out and deny our future support. thank you for your question. host: you spoke earlier of the need for debate on the issues among the democrats. i wanted to show you a clip that you have probably seen. it is martin o'malley, the former maryland governor at the dnc meeting last week in indianapolis, and he and others, as you know, have taken issue with the setup for the democratic debates. i want to show you this piece, clip, and then get your response. here's governor o'malley. governor o'malley: while the republicans put their backward ideas forward before not it's a more than 20 million americans, we put our forward thinking ideas on the back burner as if we are trying to hide them from the airwaves. think about it. the republicans stand before the nation, they malign our president's record of achievements. they trickle down and they tell their false story and we only respond with crickets. tumbleweeds. a cynical move to delay and limit our own party debates. [applause] four debates? we were told, not asked, before voters in earlier states make their decision. this is totally unprecedented in our party's history. this sort of rigged process has never been attempted before. whose decree is this exactly? where did it come from? to what end, what purpose, what national or party interest does this decree serve? how does this help us tell the story of the last eight years of democratic progress? how does this promote our democratic ideas for making wages go up and household incomes go up again instead of down? [applause] how does this help us make our case to the american people? one debate in iowa? that's it? one debate in new hampshire? that's all we can afford? get this, the new hampshire debate is cynically wedged into the high point of holiday shopping season, so as to people watch it as possible. is this how the democratic party selects its nominee? are we becoming something less? something else? whatever happened to the tradition of open debates and a 50 state strategy? host: anna galland, he calls it the rigged process. what do you make of what he had to say? guest: i strongly agree that we need more debates. four debates is not enough to get the robust airing of views from all the candidates on economy, climate change, movement for black lights, immigration reform, on what we can do to protect and extend women's rights, and all the range of issues, on diplomacy, on all the issues. four debates is a very small amount of time to the candidates for the policy did -- policy agendas, to hear who they would appoint, we need to hear a lot more than four debates worth from candidates to get a great sense of where they will take the country. i agree with the governor there and i think our members would want to see more debates and a more robust exchange of views to understand how anyone contending for our nation highest office and home of a progressive agenda and take our country forward. host: before we get back to calls, one tweet -- michael -- define fair share? everyone knows what it is but no one can describe it, can you help? guest: good question. thank you for it. fair share -- i think i use that in the context of the become more fair economy, so there is a really simple way to think about this. if you work hard, can you provide for your family? that is very simple. when you look at someone who was working a minimum wage fast food job or two minimum wage jobs, juggling hectic schedule, last-minute demands, all too often right now that is not the way to support your family. i would argue that that hard-working american supporting family in many cases is not getting their fair share of our economy. at the same time, you have billionaires at the top making a killing, doing better than they have done in generations, doing better themselves and people like warren buffett say doing better than they need to be doing. he is saying his tax rate is lower than his secretaries. that is crazy. the fair share of that secretary is not there. that is what i mean when i say fair share and i think the vision of building an inclusive and effective economy that works for everyone is something that people on the left and right can agree we need. something we do not have right now. the solutions you are hearing from the republican party are nonsense. more of the same trickle down bogus stuff that has not worked for generations. we need to see that really robust conversation coming back to 2016. we need to hear in the context of the 2016 presidential election from all of the candidates about what they are going to do to make our economy work for everyone and what they are going to do to comebat -- combat big money in our politics. it is not a problem for build economy but everything we care about. host: let's go to sean in new jersey. democratic caller. caller: how you doing? host: fine. caller: one big problem in this country is america has become a big reality show. it is all of these republicans or politicians, democrats, they all, to me, are the same from the same trough as far as i'm concerned. capitalism runs this country. oil runs this country. anything that creates the dollar runs this country. any of those that think they can benefit from that, that is what those people want to lead to. the american people, the american people have become drones, video heads, consumers. we are nothing but programmed consumers because everything that you see and everything that you hear is about buy, buy, buy, so everyone's focus is off of what is important. those who are serious, the politicians, people who are serious are marginalized or demonized. to be insignificant or to somehow create, like hillary clinton for instance, create this benghazi thing to cover up what she really stands for. unfortunately, it is not going to get any better. i don't care who we put in this office in the country. it is already set. nothing is going to change, it will only get worse. thank you. host: let's hear from our guest. guest: thank you so much for outlining many challenges we face as a country. i really appreciate it. i will offer an optimistic note. late last night, moveon members began interbreeding to a humanitarian crisis happening halfway -- began country leading to a humanitarian crisis halfway around the world. even in the darkest days when it seems we are in an awful spot and you have someone like donald trump seen as a viable contender for president who is an entertainer and clown show kind of character, not a viable politician who should be seeking our highest office, you know, even in those moments, americans are fundamentally decent. people are fundamentally decent. they want to make a future that works were all of us that is sustainable, where we'll take care of each other and make the best of our time on this earth. yesterday, you may have seen these heartbreaking photos of a three-year-old boy whose drowned body washed up on a turkish beach. these were just the saddest photos you have ever seen in your life. in response, there has been this kind of global moment of conscience and people are contributing to support the millions of syrian refugees who have been streaming out of the country and seeking refuge in places like europe. moveon members yesterday began mobilizing. i expect us to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to support those families. i offer this because even when things get dark and depressing and even when we think our economy is down the tubes, all these daunting challenges facing us, people have the ability to organize together and make things better. that is what moveon is about. that's it we do together. we organized together and make an amazing things happen together. we support refugee families in need. we have organized and protected a historic breakthrough diplomatic deal else negotiated by the obama and the station which is going to prevent a war. that is profoundly inspiring to me. the president's achievements of the last year, as he has really stepped into a progressive posture, include putting us on a path to keep our air clean by enforcing the clean air act and cleaning up coal fire power plants around the country. it includes calling for a path to allow immigrants to stay here. there have been so many aspiring -- inspiring victories by regular americans organizing together for progressive change. when it seems dark, i know why, but we can organize together and we can make light, so thank you. host: let's hear from jack in providence, rhode island. independent call. are you there? caller: i sure am. how are you doing? host: well. caller: first of all, the iranian deal, this lady is giving a lot of baloney. it will not stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon, it will slow them down. secondly, he could not get it through as a treaty which we needed two thirds vote on president reagan had the inf treaty done with the soviet union. he had support in the congress. that was a real good agreement. thirdly, and the supportively, my business partner on some deals is an iranian. his name is babach and i use them to negotiate on real estate development because we partner up. he runs rings around all, hands down, that guy is brilliant, ok? this is baloney, it will slow them down. i am no fan of israel, israel will never allow iran to get a nuclear weapon. once intelligence operatives deem they are close, that is -- israeli government, a progressive government, will do something for sure. all he does is slow them down, it does not stop anything. take care. host: response? guest: here's is the thing about the diplomatic deal that was negotiated which we have successfully defended and will continue to call on members of congress to come out and support the deal because every vote counts even though we know the deal will be defended and move forward, it still matters that every member of congress be called to account to support it. we need to show as strong as support as we can. here's the thing -- alternative to this deal is a path to war with iran. no one should want that. we have seen how that story ends with iraq war. this deal is verifiable, there are mechanisms in place, security cameras, inspectors. it is the strongest regime of inspections and verifications that we have ever seen. when the deal was announced, after years of hard work between the united states, five of the world powers, and a flock of negotiators and nuclear nonproliferation experts and others, and the deal was announced, many of those experts have said, holy cow, we cannot believe how good this deal is. we cannot believe how good it is and how much it will prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. the fact is, if this deal is undermined, the rest of the international community is not going to keep sanctions in place. it is either the u.s. taking us to war with iran or this excellent, verifiable, breakthrough diplomatic deal. that is the tough choice we face. it's not really a tough choice, it's an easy choice. of course we should stay off the path with war with iran. in the estimation, not just of me but the american people, global security experts, our closest allies abroad, retired generals, the folks who know best say that this is a good deal and we need to do everything we can to defend it. host: we have about 15 minutes left with anna galland was in chicago and executive director of moveon.org. a little bit more politics. there is a headline in "the washington post," and i wanted to get your reaction. "democrats' dilemma -- cannot live without hillary clinton, cannot win with her." what goes through your mind? guest: as i said earlier, the 2016 residential process is the white of the process right now. process016 presidential we need to have a vigorous, healthy, open debate about what kind of policies will move our country forward. that will move us forward to make the economy more fair? what will it was for to get the money out of politics? what is going to move us forward to combat, to move us forward as urgently as we must to combat catastrophic climate change? what is going to build the civil rights of all americans? how are we going to defend women's health and human rights in a moment where planned parenthood is needlessly under attack from republicans who want to defund it? on all of these fronts, what are we going to do to move our country forward? how we going to defend diplomacy abroad? how are going to build on this historic achievement of this diplomatic deal with iran? how are we going to secure a better life for african americans who are disproportionately affected by a range of policies in an adverse way? on all of these fronts, we need a vigorous, open debate. we need to hear from multiple candidates about where they stand. that is the debate i hope we can have this fall. i think we need to have this fall. i look forward to having moveon members, the eight million moveon members around the country that offer progressive fights for this country, i look forward to having moveon members engage with all the candidates to understand better what they stand and to draw their proposals for how they will take a country forward. host: to one of your points -- are the candidates doing enough regarding african-american and latino, to bring the support? other pledging to do the right things -- what you think of the field? guest: i think you are seeing one of the most inspiring an important civil rights movements in our history happening right now. the movement for black lives in particular has been organizing and calling out for justice in cases where you are literally seen people being shot and killed by police. the police are supposed to protect people and many local cases have come to light involved in fatal incidents of shooting. that is a real problem and that movement of grassroots activists around the country is right to be calling on elected officials, including -- and candidates, including the democratic party, and after what they are going to do to reform the worst police practices around the country. i think we need to continue to hear from all the candidates about concretely what will they do? individuals are killed in encounters with police and what will they do to prevent these injustices happening in the future? host: jose is on the line from virginia. democratic caller. good morning. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: i'm calling for anna galland. i am spanish-american and i want her to be civilized. can she stop calling someone a clown? i always vote democrat. i will never vote against democrat. she is talking about their accomplishments of them and this administration. you are putting almost half the american people on food stamps -- you call that an accomplishment? i want your answer. guest: i referred to donald trump and one reason i'm so dismayed to see someone considered as even a possibility in the context of a presidential debate is that this is someone who has called essentially all painted mexicans and america as rapists and murderers. this is someone who regularly demeans women in the most offensive possible terms. this is someone who is notorious for hosting a show where he gets to scream "you are fired" at people. this is not a serious candidate for our highest office. my critique there is both on style but also on substance. i think we need far better from our elected officials and candidates for higher office and i look forward to hearing from more serious candidates in the months ahead. host: to his point about the number of people on food stamps -- guest: i think if you look around the country, you will see millions of hard-working americans who are too often struggling to make ends meet. our social welfare is not strong compared to our peer countries around the world that are as developed as we are. i think if anything what you are seeing is the equivalent of food stamps for giant corporations and billionaires and a tiny little safety net for hard-working individual and average americans. i think we need to aim our frustration in a different direction than toward people who are just scraping by with two jobs or three jobs and trying to make ends meet. host: don, brown city, michigan. caller: good morning. i really appreciate c-span, great show. for miss anna galland, you do speak a lot of rhetoric and what you have been talking about this morning. come on, miss. you can come on there, look in the tv and talk about iran and it is such a good deal? let's get the facts straight. you go down the road, 10 years, 15 years from now, when it is all said and done, they will end up with a nuclear bomb, period. my whole family has served this country. i had an uncle that served in world war i. jumped over japan and came home with a plate in his head and you stand there and you talk your rhetoric? we are going to end up in a war with iran whether people like it or not. let's face another fact, wars have been in the middle east for thousands of years. if you think this is going to stop wars in the middle east, you've got another thing coming. if you trust iran -- give me a break! every break that we have tried to give iran, they have reneged, they have lied continually, and to this day, they have said death to america. having said that, how can you believe that we can trust that country? i do know people -- the people themselves -- i know a few of them, from iran, and i have talked to them -- the people themselves are nice, good people, but let's face it. who runs the country? it's not the people, it is the government. host: that was don for michigan. anna galland of moveon.org, several callers have continued to press you about iran, but go ahead and respond. guest: thank you for your call and thank you for your family's military service. i, too, have family members who served in the armed forces and i would like to thank you. i want to say two things. one, this diplomatic deal, the alternative to it, make no mistake, is that we will be on a path to war with iran. we will be on a path to an unnecessary, unavoidable, u.s. war in the middle east with a stronger country than iraq was. we have seen how an endeavor like iraq war ended -- it is unavoidable, but -- preventable, and if we have a good option to stay off their path, we should take that option. that is what this diplomatic deal represents. i think everyone who negotiated this the would agree with you. to not trust, verify. this deal has some of the most stringent, the strongest mechanisms that we have ever seen in an international accord to monitor and verify the iranian government's compliance with the terms. this deal will prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and if it failed, then we will have to go back to what we are doing now which is sanctions, but let's try something first that could move us forward rather than deciding, well, let's just go to war. we have done that before and seeing how it ends. i think in the interest of our service members and veterans, many of whom, by the the, showed up as part of moveon's national days of action in the last month and said, we know what armed service look like. we want to avoid preventable and unnecessary war, let's embrace the diplomatic deal, let's embrace the diplomacy first foreign-policy which is smart, muscular, and part of it dancing our interest in the world rather than say, sure, let's go to war with iran. it would not be quick, it would not be easy, it would be devastating to the lives of many americans of folks abroad, we do not need to go down that path. host: we have frank from ohio on the line. independent caller. good morning. caller: i appreciate it. i wanted to tell you some facts. can you hear me? guest: go ahead. caller: number one, this young lady talk about accountability. accountability goes both ways. obama, when he was senator, had no courage to vote against [indiscernible] senator kennedy, god love him, he said no, it's and senator feingold, jewish, he votes against the war, so talk about accountability that democrats did not vote. number two, i am middle eastern. my cousin is a scholar in the muslim brotherhood in turkey. iran is menace. obama is doing like a timberland. [indiscernible] what does make a difference if devoured by a lions or coyotes? iran is run by committee boat creatures -- by medieval preachers. and military iranian are too much inferior force it down. obama wants iran [indiscernible] the problem did not break evenly between shiites. they given to the shiites. let me tell you one thing,, agnostic, there is no love left for obama over the muslim, the middle east. i talk to syria every day to london. this lady talking out of her head, obama is an insult to woodrow wilson and eisenhower. i know eisenhower kicked israel and england and france out of egypt. iran needs to be bumped. iran is nothing but menace and you know what they say -- even when good men do nothing, i am fully behind that jewish man's talk from rhode island and i have no problem with israel. the jews in israel, they are realistic. israel could live with the arabs and all of my friends. i am a retired professor from -- and i have problem with politics. she is talking sympathy. turkey, my daughter lives that, she taught two years ago when acid gas was on people and obama put red lines in the sand. host: that was frank from ohio. your reaction? guest: thank you, frank for sharing. you obviously have a lot of regional expertise. i appreciate your call. we disagree on a couple of things. one factual point. president obama rose to power through the democratic party, with support from moveon members, because of his strong opposition to the iraq war. he has helped to bring american troops home from iraq, which we think is the right thing to do, though there remain advisers and others there. that is one point. on iran, i think everybody agrees on one thing, which is that iran is no u.s. ally and involved in a tremendous amount of activity that is problematic to u.s. interests. that is true. now, we should think of the question, should iran obtain a nuclear weapon? this deal will prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. if you are concerned about what iran is doing now, imagine how concerned you would be if they have a nuclear weapon. this is a strong deal and has mechanisms to keep iran to their word. moveon members have been vigorously organizing over the past months and years to support this deal, for security, for the security of the global community, and for our children, and grandchildren. host: let's go to ann in north carolina. good morning. caller: first of all, i want to say that people seem to be calling in and forgetting that other countries were part of this deal. the last person forgot that france, england, and germany were part of the deal. but i also want to say is that i think the democrats really need to get out and vote for the congressional elections. this president supports most of the platforms that you talked about, but there are so many things that republicans obstructed, so he was not able to get through. as long as that congress is there, no matter what democratic president you put in, they will not get so many things done. this president really had to govern and accomplish a lot through executive order because he could not get things done. they decided they would obstruct him from day one. host: what will it take for democrats to win that congress do you think? guest: first of all, thinking about one second, i appreciate what the caller said. thank you. to win back congress, it will take a fired up base of progressives that believe that we can push our country in the right direction. we have work to do, as grassroots activists to engage a broad swath of voters. what we need from our elected officials is bold, progressive leadership. proposals like making a possible -- it possible for all americans to attend college without racking up debt. things like advancing the civil rights of all americans, embracing diplomacy abroad, getting millions of undocumented americans on the path to citizenship so that they can come out of the shadows. these kinds of policies fire us and gives me something to believe in, and makes you want to go out there, though, and invest my life in this democratic process. to win the next congressional election, the grassroots base needs to get out there and mobilize. we need our elected officials to keep on fighting for all of us, just like many of the champions in congress are already doing. we need them to fight for all of us, and rallied to their side when they do. host: let's go to an independent caller, good morning. caller: i have three comments. thank you for appearing today. i feel that the obama administration policies are shortsighted. for one, obamacare. also, i feel with the planned parenthood issue and black lives matter, we have to look at history and see who started planned parenthood. it was margaret singer. she had different motives. lastly, when we talk about jobs and equality, why can't we ever talk about the federal reserve? the federal reserve controls the money supply, and therefore controls the standard of living. let's stop beating around the bush and go to the source. we need to repeal the federal reserve act of 1933 and restore the currency -- issue its policy back to the government, not to an independent agency, where no one knows who they are. guest: i would just say, we would clearly disagree. moveon members, as a community, our progressive americans about the country, working to make this country live up to its full potential in helping the economy more fair, holding elected officials accountable, and staving off climate change, and building the civil rights movement in this country, and fighting for diplomacy. we are fighting on all these fronts. we are fighting together to make this country more fair, just, and sustainable. i invite you to join us on moveon.org, and i think c-span for allowing me to have his conversation with people who do not necessarily agree, but i think it is vital that we have this conversation. host: anna galland is in chicago. thank you. host: at the table now is jenny beth martin, president and cofounder of tea party patriots. we want to start with donald trump, and specifically eight politico -- a politico piece. st piece.o -- a politico it says that he has, if nothing for, exposed the tea party what it really is. his popularity is proof that the tea party is less a libertarian movement than a right wing movement of populism. tea partiers are less upset about the size of government overall than they are that so much of it is going to other people, especially immigrants and nonwhites, they are for governments for them, and against governments not for them. what is your reaction? guest: i'm not sure that i what donald trump is saying exposes that. i can tell you that the people i work with around the country are concerned about the size of governance. -- we have maintained that the one way to balance the budget would use the petty plant which reduces spending by one penny out of every dollar that the government spends. that can happen across the board and the government, as far as we are concerned. we just want to get to a balanced budget so we have a debt-free future. the: the numbers are on bottom of the screen for our guest, jenny beth martin, of tea party patriots. before we came on it, we were looking at this pledge that donald trump side yesterday -- signed yesterday at 1:00 in the afternoon with the head of rnc. let's take a look at what he had to say. [video clip] the chairman just left, as you know. he has been extremely fair. terrificas been . that is what i have wanted. i wanted fairness. i don't have to be treated any differently than anybody else. i just wanted fairness from the republican party. we are leading in every single poll. i know poll came out today where we are over 30%. we have hit numbers as high as and 40%. i felt the best way to win and beat the democrats, and very easily, i think, be the the democrats,at whether it is hillary, or imebody else -- and frankly, think hillary will have a hard time to get to the starting gate -- the best way for republicans to win is if i win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up. for that reason, i have signed the pledge. [applause] i will be totally pledging my allegiance to the republican party and the conservative principles for which it stands. we will go out and fight hard, and we will win. most importantly, we will make our country great again because that is what is all about. host: your reaction? guest: i think it is very interesting that he has done that. i think it will put some voters at ease who are looking at who they want to vote for in the republican primary. to look more begin at the records of each of the candidates. i'm glad to hear that he will be true to conservative values. that is an important part of what the republican party stands for. host: what do you make of the broad numbers here? this is the poll that made so much news, donald trump at 30% person field. guest: when you see that donald , and carlyen carson fiorina, are doing so well in the polls, it shows that people across the country understand that something is not working in washington, d.c. willnt to find people who point out and expose the problems with washington, and show is a plan for how they will make our country work the way it was intended with constitutionally limited government, more personal freedom, more economic freedom. host: slate has this headline -- donald trump is not the gop's biggest all of your problem is that they do not have a plausible champion waiting in the wings, a backup candidate. would you agree? guest: when you look at the field, we have 17 people who are willing to step up and talk whyt what they believe and do you think their direction for america is better than where we have been headed for the last 7.5 years. i think we do have several people who are there and willing to step up, and talk about what they are willing to do. right now, it is donald trump. we will see how long that continues to stand, if it goes all the way to the general election, or not. be strictly -- we certainly have a lot of people who are willing to talk about how to make our country better. host: can any of those people win over the key demographics that people keep talk king about? guest: yes, i think most, if not all, can. the way you do that is have a track record of showing you want togive more freedom americans and his country and limit the size and scope of government, and you understand that right now, the way our country is working, the people inside washington, d.c. get their way and make deals with andbusiness and big labor, big government, you china altogether, and it leaves the average american out of the process. host: how do you get support for the tea party movement at this point? guest: i think we can tell that donald trump is talking about principles and issues that the tea party movement has talked about for many years. is doingeing that he that, carly fiorina is doing that, and ben carson, and they are the ones in the lead. clearly, the values and issues that we talk about are the ones that voters want to hear. host: let's go to the phones. randy first up from prescott, wisconsin. good morning. caller: thinks he said -- thanks c-span. on when the lady from moveon.org was on -- george them.supports trumpke a guy like donald , he is talking what we want to hear, what people want to hear. moveon.org, they're giving money now overseas -- it's a shame what is going on there. make thisd trump, country great again. do what the people of the united states have been wrong before. the tea party is doing pretty good. i would love to have the lady from moveon -- asked the lady g what is ther difference between a socialist and a democrat. let's make this country great again. we have a democratic president there's nothing but running this country down. livesse matter -- black matter, correct. ves matter. it is up to the president to come out and say stop this, but you do not hear him saying this. the tea party, and everybody else, i tried to get this country back on track. we have to make a change, and we have to do in 2016. donald trump is saying what we want to hear, ben carson is saying the good stuff we want to hear, carly fiorina. we have to get behind them. hillary clinton is done. forget about her. quit wasting your time. host: what do you think? guest: thanks for calling in. i think you're right, these candidates are talking a lot about what we want to hear. we want to see solutions for how we can expand our freedom, how we can get the government out of live our life the way we see fit without interference from the government, as long as we are not harming other people or infringing on their rights. we need to make sure we're listening to all the candidates. it is a crowded presidential side.for the republican and, compare their track record, and determine who will be the best person. host: remind us of the definition of a tea party patriot report do you think and what you believe? guest: at tea party patriots, we believe that -- we want more freedom so that every american can pursue the american dream. that is essentially what we want. our core values are personal freedom, economic freedom, and a debt-free future. host: john, good morning. i naturally independent caller, but i can only get through all the democratic line. i would like you to answer a couple questions that the gal before could not answer. if there is so much money in politics, how can i get some of that code rather money -- that koch money in my pocket? all labors -- all i ever money intoo much politics," it is their money, and it will not affect my vote one way or the other. if it affects all of these s folks, it's wrong. guest: we have been targeted by the irs. we understand that when that can have a silencing effect on people across the country. we have seen that happen firsthand. i think the best thing, right now, from what we can see, is that we continue to live by the rules, the way they are intended, and currently written, so that government bureaucrats are not changing them on the fly . when it comes to campaigns and elections, the money must be disclosed when you are advocating for or against the candidate. that needs to continue to happen. host: jeff is calling from new jersey, independent caller. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. host: you bet. aller: i just want to make statement about the deportation of immigrants. it is something that has been done before in history, and no one brings that up. also, before the revolutionary war, probably at the start of it, we were forced to house, feed, and probably school british soldiers. either inngs that up american history. thank you for taking my call. host: your reaction? for letting me know about those things that have happened in our past history. i was down on the border last in the summer, and i can tell you, we have to make sure that we get our borders secure. frightening when you see that the laws of this country, that were written and obeyed.are not being when that happens, we're living essentially in a lawless society. when you talk to the people who are living there, they are being impacted by this crime happening in their homes, backyard, and neighborhoods. we have to get this problem under control, and the first up is the border. host: what about the rhetoric on the right side? beginning with donald trump, the right way to go? most important thing is that we get our border security or a be have to do that. the american people, we don't trust the government in washington, d c to do what they are saying. we see what is happening on the border and the rules and laws in place are not being obeyed. when donald trump talks the way he is talking, people appreciate yes, the real problem we are facing in this country with illegal immigration, we have to solve this problem. host: a little more from this poll, donald trump leading in all demographics, in addition to leading overall at 30%. , verying to the poll conservative voters, donald trump has 29%. tea party supporters, 36%. does that sound right to you? guest: i suppose so. host: under age 50, 30 4%. by gender, 37 percent, men. 23 percent, women. there was a piece that the tea party said they are still trying to determine if donald trump is fair cup of tea -- their cup of tea, play on words. ourt: what i see from supporters around the country, with donald trump, they hear what he is saying and like what he is saying a lot. they also look at senator ted cruz and see what he is saying. a note he has stood up and fought in washington, so we appreciate that track record. i also heard a lot from our supporters about ben carson and carly fiorina. candidates, the they each have something .ifferent i would say that the tea party supporters are looking at the entire field, looking at the track record, and working to determine who will be the best next president. host: let's go to john, calling from l.a. caller: good morning. c-span.odness for i would like to ask ms. martin why the tea party suddenly came into existence when barack obama was elected president? also, does she think that trump is right about his birth. guest: i would say, first about president obama's birth, he has said and shown birth certificates that he was born in hawaii. i believe what the president says in this instance. the tea party came into existence in 2009. outs inank bail 2008, and vista news bill in 2009. we were very concerned, as we were watching government spent more more money, and our neighbors losing their homes across the country, going into bankruptcy, and losing their homes. when government was bailing out the big businesses and giving the stimulus program, we felt like it was time to stop. our country at that time was several trillion dollars in debt, not as much as it is now, and we wanted the out-of-control government spending to start. host: you bring up fiscal matters. i want to get your reaction from news on the hill. chris van hollen says that the tea party could be forcing a government shutdown. he says that this year's course of events mirrors the lead up to 2013, when gop leaders said they would not let it happen. at the end of the day, the tea party folks have an awful lot of power in the house and senate, so we have a fight on our hands. as the tea party -- does the tea party won a government shutdown -- want a government shutdown? i think we never want to see a government shutdown. what we want to see is congress fighting for what we believe in undert the spending control. that has been very important to us. we also want to see, back in 2013, the entire government continue to function and be funded, but we wanted to see happen was the obamacare program not funded. we wanted the entire government to be funded without obamacare being funded. as we lead up to what will happen, as we hit the october 1 fiscal year deadline, we will see that there will be a lot of bad deals made. there will probably be a really big massive spending bill, that .s what happens every time congress works under a deadline, and makes various bad deals. you will see the tea party standing up and calling out what is happening and holy ar holding our elected officials accountable. twitter, do you think the growth of government is out of control now? seet: you can certainly that from tea party patriots perspective, we have held both parties accountable when it comes to government spending. it is currently, and has been, far outside of the scope of what it should be. yes, it is out of control at the moment. is it always going to be? that is up to us as american citizens. we are part of the government process. we are part of the governing process to hold our elected officials accountable. we have to elect officials who will work to get us to a debt free future. after the elections, we have to stay involved and make sure they keep their promises. host: debbie, republican caller. caller: good morning. notuestion is do they realize that if we do not get our border secure, we are not safe. i'm not talking about one race comingle, but many races across the border. america, first of all, has to be safe. the second thing, we do not hear lot about bobby jindal. i have listened to him, and he is a smart guy. talk a lot,get to maybe he does not have a lot of money, i don't know. i understand why people like donald trump. hes