Transcripts For CSPAN Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20141028

Supporting Charlie Baker for governor. That is because Charlie Baker has created jobs and fixed government. Charlie baker got people off of welfare and left massachusetts is first in jobs. In the massachusetts right direction. Im voting for Charlie Baker. She has been a powerful advocate for women and kids and one of the toughest opponents that wall street in the big banks have ever seen. Martha coakley is running for governor with a plan for an economy that works for everyone. So that people get the skills that they need to succeed. Mass transit, creating regional economies so that every area of the state can thrive. Martha insiders choice, she is our choice. Governor . Thats optimistic. Why . We were number one in job creation. Americas best health care company. Ask to our bipartisan and prochoice. Which is what we need. We can meet they we can make massachusetts great by lowering spending, controlling taxes, and requiring work for welfare. More jobs, dad . Ive done it before. Special decision 2014 debate, live from the hanover theater for performing arts in worcester, massachusetts. The Gubernatorial Debate brought to you by Worcester Regional Chamber of commerce and the telegram gazette and hanover theatre for the performing arts. Martha coakley and Charlie Baker, our panelists, alison king, chris sinacola. Moderating the debate is [applause] good evening and welcome. Tonights debate is distinct differences between Charlie Baker and Martha Coakley. And the differences by the candidates and speaking to each other directly. There is one rule we will follow and that is timekeeping. The candidates will put a period at the end of their sentence when they are done. Give a huge round of applause to Martha Coakley and Charlie Baker. [applause] charlie, you won the coin toss. I know you said you have done nothing wrong and you said you have done nothing wrong. You made a 10,000 donation to the Republican State Committee and several months later, the state of new jersey invested 15 million in a company you were in. How to does not violate new jerseys rules . I have been transparent. When the issue was raised, the attorney happened to be the former general counsel and i gave to my Employment Contract plus every other document associated and said if there is a problem here, please tell me what it is and i will be happy to correct it. He wrote a lengthy report, 15 pages in all, spelling out everything and interpretation of the law in new jersey and the documents i gave. At the end, i did not need to make corrections. It is available for anyone who wants to read it. I submitted all of my income tax. I have done everything i could do to make public this issue and at this point in time, i do not believe i have done everything wrong. The lawyer basically agree with me. Martha, you have a different take. The one thing you have not done charlie is turn over the copy of your Employment Contract. You gave it to the lawyer to do that. Two things remain. You are still under investigation. Why when you clear up the question for voters in massachusetts . And why wouldnt your friends in new jersey, the governor there, release the results of this report. They were supposed to determine whether or not there was a violation by you. Today, they said it will be a few weeks and we heard it will not be out until november 16. It does not look good. First, the investigation will be done whenever it is done. I believe the documentation we made available to the public face of the review done by the attorney, he is a former general counsel at the federal election commission. I gave them all of the documentation and he cleared it. The only person on this date who has been fined for Campaign Violations is the attorney general who paid a 24,000 fine for violations. You are smiling, i think you have an answer. If any errors were made known to me, ive moved to make them transparent. Those were not fined, they clearly were not defined. Own top of that, why would you not release your Employment Contract . There was a issue about elizabeth warrens heritage and you called upon her to release it. You could give up your Employment Contract and you will not do it. I hired an attorney. I gave them all of the documentation associated and you wrote up a major review which went into great detail about my employment agreement. The document would tell them a lot about what was in that agreement and how it works. At this point and time, the issue is going to be decided when they issue their final report. I would imagine the attorney general would know investigation is finished when they finish. When it is available, the folks will release it. One followup. Do you regret giving that donation . Well, yeah. [laughter] you wish you had never done it . At the time, i wanted to support the governor who has been supportive of me when i ran for governor in 2010. I was completely transparent about the fact i made the donation as well. And transparent about the fact i was working with the general counsel. The 15 million invested, do you think it wouldve happened if you did not make the donation . It wouldve had nothing to do with it. The state of new jersey made a 50 return on it in less than two years. It was a good investment for pensioners. That is not in the point. They just divested that and i am not sure of the reasons. It does not look good. This is about Insider Information and that is what the pay to play is about. We have the situation where it appears to be a pay to play in the delay on the report. I would call on you and an easy way to release your Employment Contract. One final word, charlie. If someone can make a 50 return on their investment, is a good deal for pensioners and officers and teachers and firefighters and most pension systems including the one in massachusetts would love to get a 50 return. Lets move on. Martha, some recent polls have been in charlie favor. The boston globe has endorsed him. Headlines have been chasing you. Why arent you leading . Thank you for that question. I appreciate that what matters of course is not a newspapers endorsement. I believe this race is pretty close right now. People believe that what i have been focused on since i got into the race a year ago was on traveling around the state and listening to people about what they needed and where we could go as the economy started to turn around. Because i believe we have the best ideas about turning the economy around for earned sick time and giving people Early Education and when they do not have doctors to do it, and making sure we invest in our kids, so that have the jobs in the future. That is what is going to win this race. I am confident we will win on november 4. Charlie, you get 45 seconds. You got the globe endorsement. Republicans have not had it for a long time. Is it a close race or not . I have been gratified for what wouldve gotten from the voters across the commonwealth and received endorsements from the boston globe and every massachusetts paper has endorsed our campaign. I believe they believe that the State Government is broken and the next governor of massachusetts needed to be a proven leader and manager with tremendous success in the Public Sector and private sector and served in local government. Clearly, the voters have it gone up from 20 points behind to a little ahead. We will move on. First, our panelists. This is for Charlie Baker. You do not say much about welfare reform on the campaign trail but your advertisements show you will be aggressive. Given the Legislature Passed a reform bill, how much further do you want to go with welfare reform and is it one of her Top Priorities . Excuse me. You know, we have spent a fair amount of time talking about reform of many kinds, including to our welfare system. Many of the reforms part of the package we put together last spring became part of the legislative reform package at the end of the session. I would be in support and look forward to implementing. I spent time in the city all worcester with the former mayor. They have, with a series of initiatives of how to help people basically find their way out of Public Housing and into selfsufficiency. The more we can do to build on those types of programs, the better off we will be. The vast majority of folks on Public Housing would like to find a way off. If you could wave a magic wand and do one thing with welfare reform, what would you do . Name one thing you would promote. The big think as part of that package was coming up with a strategy to help people find their way to work. At the end, everybody wants purpose and want to work and find their way to a job and that should be a fundamental objective. Martha coakley, you do not talk much about welfare reform and is it a part of your agenda . Charlie proposed what would put caps on how long somebody would stay on housing. People who can get out sooner will and i believe there are ways to do it by giving people the work skills they need, that help and investing in them and not looking at cap. I also believe i have been prosecuting and going after Convenience Stores who have been involved in ebt fraud and any company that has been found guilty should not sell lottery or alcohol. I do not want any kids to go hungry and i want the dollars for assistance. We will go to a question for Martha Coakley. A report said you called casey into your office where you told him to stop his investigation and to the speaker of the house and others involved in the software controversy. Saying according to sullivan there was no evidence anyone had crossed a bright line into criminality. One person is serving an eightyear sentence and there were also others convicted. Were you trying to give him a pass . I am glad you asked that question. I am glad you asked. That report occurred i have said and i will say tonight, absolutely untrue what Greg Sullivan has said. That never happened and i never said that. What the voters should know is that we brought state cases against Richard Vitali that was applicable to something involved of something that was against lobbying laws. I brought the charges with the resources they have to get that conviction. The statement is untrue in the globe and all of our documents support it. We did the investigation. And we got convictions of three people involved in ticket scandals. And Greg Sullivan was flat out lying. Either flat out lying or flat out wrong. I have documentation. Greg sullivan has a distinguished career as a leading democrat on beacon hill, first in the legislature and then an investigator or before the Attorney Generals Office and serving several terms as the Inspector General before he retired. He has a number of major convictions that were part of investigations that he led during his time as both an investigator and Inspector General. He served his last term by the attorney general and the auditor and the governor. He is a person of extraordinary High Integrity and his response to the character assassination issued by your campaign yesterday and compelling reading specific dates, times. The attorney general owes the public an explanation for that. The Inspector General does not bring charges, he does investigations. Secondly, i am the one who brought the charges and got convictions against richard and dickey. I would ask you why you took money in this campaign from richard . I prosecuted convicted felons and you are taking money from them. You are going to change the subject and you still are not going to respond. I would be happy to send it back to richards check. If you really want to clear the air on this one all you need to respond to the allegations that were raised by Greg Sullivan. We have and we will. This is not a two bit guy, but a reputation for forthrightness and honesty and commitment. For him to be attacked the way you folks attacking yesterday is beyond the pale. You owe him an explanation of the board for the issues he raised. The issue is whether he was correct or not. Lets stick with the merits. He was wrong about that and with the document he was wrong. Why he said it to the globe, i do not know. Besides that, i know, i cooperate of with the u. S. Attorney in the investigation. The record demonstrates that. We have three people in jail and you got a check for one. We will leave it there. Chris, give us some questions. No checks but we will move onto everybodys favorite topic. Taxes. Martha, you recently had an idea of the graduated income tax. Something voters have in the past rejected. Do you think it is a better and fairer means of raising revenue than a flat income tax . No, that was a discussion we had on what i said and asked about, what would you do if you had to look at income . The primary response is we look at moving forward with the income taxes coming down to 5. 2 . I believe as the economy turns around and our economy is moving as twice the pace of any state in the country. As the economy turns around, the income tax goes down to 5 . We talked about something the legislature was working at. I know it takes a Constitutional Convention to change it. I hope we do not raise them. Chris, you want to followup with charlie . I guess the first thing i would say, if you think our economy isnt growing, you would need to get out of the office more. The people i talk to is anxious. If they have a job, they are worried about keeping it. As i campaigned across this state, the working people of massachusetts have been on the receiving end of dozen of tax increases over the past seven or eight years. The first thing they say to me is i feel like ive been nickel and dimed to death. If theres one big difference, i say this to the voters, i am not going to raise your taxes. The attorney general has made it clear that she will. Can i respond . In 2010, he was happy to take a no new taxes, but you have not done it and you have not signed it. You talk about a lot of things you want to do but you will not talk about where the money will come from. The difference between charlie and me as the economy turns around, i will roll out a red carpet for business. We need to make sure our people are prepared for the jobs and our kids get Early Education and Stem Education with art and music. Make colleges is affordable and available to people. That is where he differs. He has a republican playbook. Lets hold it right there. I hear this a lot. I wish the attorney general would read my Economic Development plan. Tax incentives for business to hire people coming off public assistance. Tax incentives for business to hire veterans and income tax credit that will go primarily to low income, single moms with children that would help make work pay. A series of initiatives to build main street and gateway cities and support Small Businesses as they go through the process of licensing and rulemaking. Our proposals, virtually most of our proposals are all about helping Small Businesses in massachusetts and people who deserve a chance to work and build themselves into selfsufficiency and that is the primary focus. Let me stop. Chris, you have another tax question. Speaking of getting taxes lower. Back in 1989, the legislature put in a temporary tax increase for income tax. That was supposed to last for a year and a half. It is still with us in some form and has come down. The series of triggers in place when the economy does will and we shave 0. 5 which cost 145 million. In 2000, voters said put it back at 5 . You at one time was a 555 guy. Why not go back to five immediately . We should work it back to 5 . My goal would be to get it back to 5 . That is something that has to be done through a series of initiatives to help grow the economy and generate the kind of activity that would trigger the reductions. The one thing i will say is i am not going to raise taxes. I think the tax code is way too complicated and especially complicated for Small Businesses and we need to do everything we can to simplify it and i will do it as governor. My goal is to get it back to 5 . I agree with charlie. That happens under our current stature as the economy turns around and that will happen as we went from 5. 25 to 5. 2 . Part of his plan includes removing corporate filing taxes and the type of things that some estimate it will be 600 million off the table of revenue that we do not have. Things businesses have not asked for. I have look at your plan and i hope the voters do. You look at giving breaks to corporations. I see investing in people and education to get jobs. We have jobs going vacant and people do not have jobs and we need to close that gap. I start from a different point. I want to invest on what people will be able to do as we turn around the economy for everybody. Not just boston and cambridge, north adams and others. Lets take a question. We want to include this from the telegram gazette reader named alfred and he writes. He takes us back to 1980. On the fells acres day care scandal martha, what did you have to say . I did not become District Attorney until 1998. Ive just been in the office. The most important thing to understand is someone who served for seven years and understood the difficulty of bringing children in an investigating those cases, most of the cases we do not bring to trial. We have 900 cases a year and we will bring 1 3, in those cases, we reviewed as important part is three governors including republican governors look at it and refused to issue their commutation. The case was tried fairly and well and if it was not the right result, i wouldve been the first to say we should change this. Your rebuttal. The big question associate with this is the issue of whether or not in fact the parole board made a correct recommendation at the time. As somebody familiar with the news report, i am a little uncomfortable drawing too many conclusions. I believe generally speaking the parole board does a pretty decent job on the source of cases and in this particular case, i am glad that he is a free man. A twitter question. Do you support an Olympic Games in boston . I think certainly the planning associated is a good idea. By the way, some of the tools developed by boston 2024 on how the city would change and how the region would change to use certain kind of assumptions around traffic and distribution and real estate will be incredibly powerful tool to help the regions go forward. I think the opportunity to host the games is one that massachusetts and Greater Boston should take seriously. Until i see more details, im sticking to my notion that i think it is a great planning exercise. I say, go for the gold. Theres been push back about whether massachusetts can support it. Some say they will come out and fight it. Do you understand that side . Sure. Massachusetts has the opportunity to make that investment and i do believe and i do not disagree with what charlie said, as we plan, you have to look at the numbers obviously. If we look optimistically and say here is an opportunity for us to invest in infrastructure that not only will be great for massachusetts to host, but serviceable and useful. We have the smarts to do it and we should do it. One thing. The attorney generals answer is part of what i see as the problem with the way she thinks about some of these things. She has three people serve on the Health Connector board. They took a website that was working at a waiver from the federal government that it made 90 of our people covered and they said, go for the gold. We ended up with a connector that is broken and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on trying to fix a broken system. As we center today, we still do not know how much money the commonwealth has already spent and how much the commonwealth is going to spend and when it will get this. On big issues like this, people needed to dig into the details and make sure they understand the consequences of their decisions. The Health Connector was a go for the gold a moment and the folks made the wrong decision. It is an interesting pivot. I have been critical of that decision. And it works independent of the people and it is clearly apples and oranges and i disagree. In the first debate, you said you were proud and i am. On many of the issues they have addressed in bringing it down and we know we were the first state to Bring Health Care reform to work on cost. The website has been a disaster and i agree. Those are appointees of several people and i do not dictate what decisions they make. We agreed the other day. If someone says go for the gold on a complicated issue, we should all take a deep breath. Lets take a deep breath. Coming up next, massachusetts Gubernatorial Debate, the candidates will ask each other questions. We will be right back. [applause] here at cspan, back to the debate in a minute. A few years ago, wall street gambled with our money and destroyed so many lives and we welcome back to our Gubernatorial Debate here at the beautiful hanover theatre. Time to get away from the moderator. Its time for the candidates to speak directly to each other and to speak directly to each other. You have talked a lot about the turnaround. I have asked, why is it in that turnaround 2000 people lost their jobs, and while you raised premiums 150 and your own salary went up, what do you say to those people who lost their jobs and their care about why your salary lost . I talked to many of those people when we went through that transition. It was broken. It had been broken for a long time. I was forced to make some painful decisions. If people had done a better job of managing that it might not have come to that. When i said to during the debate with john keller, we worked enormously hard to make sure we came up with a plan. Even people like tom riley, your mentor, one of your biggest supporters, has called many of your accusations nonsense and said this is one of the reasons many people dont go into public service. I am proud of the work those people did taking a company that was virtually bankrupt and turning it to the number one player in health care. I think cutting off rhode island was the toughest decision you ever made. You made choices i wouldnt have made in terms of the people who were impacted. I think people need to understand what the difference was in what i would do making decisions and how you look at the bottom line. He is talking to you. There was a 225 million loss in receivership. Why wouldnt you look at other options . I didnt take a 1. 7 million increase in my salary and 99 in 2000. It increased. You saw an increase dealing with a not for profit while a lot of people lost their jobs or suffered. You can respond how you want. That has an impact on people. You dont have any suggestions of how you dealt with the problem . [applause] i didnt take a 1. 7 million increase in my salary and 99 in 2000. It increased. You saw an increase dealing with a not for profit while a lot of people lost their jobs or suffered. You can respond how you want. That has an impact on people. You dont have any suggestions of how you dealt with the problem . [applause] i will give you the final word. That is not the point. I could ask you every day, when i went after wall street, when i solve the problems before me to get good solutions, i started with the people first. I didnt start with cutting. There are other options. My point is you are always looking at the bottom line. That is one example. [applause] we will switch gears now. A question for you. Over the past few years we have seen several scandals. The problems with the crime lab that led to hundreds of convicted felons going back on the street, the problems which led to a number of tragedies, the aforementioned disaster, the fiasco associated with the medical marijuana rollout, the compounded pharmacy crisis, which led to the deaths of over 40 people, yet yesterday you told the audience in the room State Government was fine and doesnt need to be fixed. I would like you to explain to the voters why you dont think State Government needs to be fixed. I didnt say it didnt need to be fixed. I didnt say that. I have said there are things i think we can do better. I have spoken about the need to change the mission for the department of children and families. Its an Impossible Mission to keep families safe. I am the one that that fought because of that issue and mismanagement. I understand we can do better. I understand what our department of Public Health under the offices of the civilian organization can do a better job because i have worked in those fields. I am confident i can do better on those things, but thats different from saying State Government is broken. You served in an administration where you came in and laid off Mental Health workers. We are going to have to hold you here. You want to do a 30 second followup. A group filed a lawsuit against the department of children and families arguing it wasnt living up to its commitment to kids. It is a compelling document and brought up a number of issues about the performance of the department. Yet with that document in your possession you sat silently by while the government and legislature cut the budget at 40 million in that particular year. Can you explain why you sat silently when they cut that budget by 40 million . This is disingenuous, dishonest. I will stand on my record of standing up for kids and making sure instead of settling on millions of dollars with lawyers that was not the solution, i have always operated in the best interest of children. I will do that as governor. I still remain calling on you to take down that add. The suggestions you would have outsourced that to get federal consent, i think that is an equally compelling argument against your decisionmaking and whose side you are on. We will keep it right there. Allison, you are next. This is a question for charlie. You are both fighting for the womens vote. Martha coakley, who holds a doubledigit lead, so she will make decisions that help women helped make women a priority. For those who vote based on womens issues, why are you the better candidate . Ask when i got into this race i said i was going to chase 100 of the vote, and i meant it. When i campaigned in all neighborhoods across this state, i talked to people about what we can do to improve our economy, what we can do to make sure every school is a great school, and what we can do to strengthen our communities. I put policy proposals out there on how to deal with those things. Those matter to women and two men. As a Business Executive and a former public official, i am proud of the 12 members when i voted were women, and i spent five years serving as the Corporate Advisory board chair to the boston globe, which is the largest professional Womens Organization in new england. I can promise you this. My administration will be populated at the highest level by women of experience. Would you like to respond . I have never asked for anybodys vote because i am a woman. As i ran for attorney general, now i am running for governor. When i graduated from law school my dad gave me a plaque that said, sometimes the best man for a job is a woman. I am running because of my experience. We want to talk about diversity at every level. That means bringing in people with shared experiences. That includes women. It includes people of color. It includes people who havent had a chance to be around the table around issues that impact them. It is true in poor neighborhoods. It is true in schools. It is true of women who are worried about whether their children are going to get a good education. I am not running because i am a woman. I am asking for voters to decide who is going to stand up for all people. I am wondering why you have trouble with the male vote. I dont have a groupon in this campaign. I think different ways in which we get our message across i dont Pay Attention to that. I look for people who havent had a seat at the table, who havent had a voice, and that is what i have done my entire life, which is why i am so confident i say, who will be my voice . Who will not just listen to special interest . Were going to talk about gateway cities. The legislature set an aggressive agenda in the house bill recently. 475 Million Dollars over five years. What will you do as governor to ensure places get what they need in terms of Economic Development and social programs and transportation . I huge part of my Development Land is built around developing initiatives in gateway cities. I can speak to several. We need to deal with the auditorium and the old courthouse. Remember, i running mate is from worcester. The likelihood i am not going to be able to spend most of my time in worcester is pretty small. Any of you have met karen know that that will be a major focus of our administration. We have also talked about taking the 25 different federal and date programs to build Economic Opportunity and turning it into a holistic package of tools and toolkits we can use to create the type of Strategic Initiatives that are going to bring jobs and opportunities to those communities. I got into that race saying it was built on geography, education, and resources was going to be a major priority. One more question. On the gas tax, i understand you would not vote to cut the link between inflation and the gas tax. The issue is we need the money for infrastructure. While it is fine to say, lets make them vote every time, isnt it true it is very difficult to get the legislature to take a clean vote on anything. Is it really a good idea to cut the link to inflation, or are we asking the impossible . I think thats not even the question. The question is it is a simple, commonplace way for most his newspaper. People look at the fact we havent been able to support roads and bridges they agree this is a good way to do this. You have three projects right here that are not going to get done if we dont do that investing, or they arent going to get done soon enough if you look at what you have to do on route 122, and if you have to look at fixing the bridge, you are not going to be able to do that. 640 kids are on a waiting list for Early Education. I will do that. I will invest in that. My republican opponent will not. I know you have a universal prek question. If the legislature wants to raise taxes they can vote to raise taxes. It can be held at the ballot box. Thats the way democracy works. The idea the gas tax should go up every year because it is easy is not what government is about. It is not what Representative Government is all about. Allison, you are next. I have a question, and this is about balance of power, were all but a small handful of elected officials are democrats. Governor romney called it a gang of three. Charlie baker called it everyone playing for the same team. Doesnt this argument for more checks and balances in State Government have some merit . What if it think if you really look at the facts about what is happening and what hasnt happened, i think the real issue is about transparency and accountability. One of the biggest scandals in the treasury was under treasury malone. I see my record i am happy to stand up to anybody who breaks the law, whether democrats or republicans. I started a Public Integrity division. People of my party who should be held accountable. I think its about accountability and what your record is. I am proud to stand on mine. I will be a governor who will make sure we have the right balance. You believe all democrats decide . I wonder if she thinks she will stand up for all people who break the law, including the speaker of the house. Lets talk about the Health Connector again. Here you have probably the worst rollout in the United States of America Associated with implementing the Affordable Care act. In every other state that had a botched rollout there were public hearings, public investigations, public debate, lessons learned, and consequences associated with what happened, except in massachusetts, which had the worst rollout of all. It has been so unaccountable even the boston globe, which is a big fan of the Affordable Care act in massachusetts Health Care Reform law voted three weeks ago about what has happened is outrageous. We need people to come clean. Why did you stand yesterday and say you would have him reappointed for the board . That doesnt make sense. These are independents, and they do have a responsibility. Unless you are going to change the policy and get rid of the enrollment, youre not going to solve that problem. The help all us see commission and connector have nothing to do with each other. The Health Connector is something you appoint people to and is fundamentally responsible for the website and the connection between the Medicaid Program and the Affordable Care act. The Health Policy commission is supposed to do analytics around things like mergers. They came out and opposed the merger of the hospital. They came against the merger with wakefield hospital, which you also supported. Its not the same. I understand that, and i know that. Thats what makes the appointments important, but they are independent. This is not about democrat and republican. Those are bad examples if you want to talk about balance. I disagree. Were going to switch gears. I have one question. We hear a lot about the communities. What we talk about is urban communities sometimes feel during an election they can be used, that you will see candidates roll through, make promises, but dont deliver. Much has been made about you campaigning in communities of color. What promises have you made to bring jobs to those communities, and how can they hold you accountable if you are elected governor . One thing i said is i am going to chase 100 of the vote, and i meant it. I have spent time sitting in peoples living rooms, sitting in church parlors, sitting in Community Centers talking about what their issues and concerns are and working on an agenda to respond to those concerns. My urban agenda, which we proposed three weeks ago is going to be the way those folks will be able to hold me accountable. I was proud to stand at our office with 50 people who are leaders in those communities supporting our initiative and saying, this is the sort of thing Big Government should be doing and havent been doing. We support it. What can you see that they have done . There are several initiatives. One is charter schools. I appreciate the attorney general has come around. It was a shame that the house passed the expansion to serve communities, and the senate blocked it at the end of the legislative session. That was a huge setback. I have certainly spent time not just as a candidate but as attorney general and District Attorney before that understanding what impact people dont have a voice to get those answers. I have supported particularly you talk about Early Education. Those are ways you start to level the playing field, by giving people a fair shot of getting an education and being able to go to a tech school. President obama visited the one here because it does such a good job of getting kids prepared for the future, and i know the opportunities for women particularly to make 77 of the dollar, but women are making less than that. This is about fairness of the quality. This is about all people giving them a fair shot and to participate in this wonderful economy. If you go to our website you can find our urban agenda. It is there for everybody to read. We have one. We have worked hard to develop it as we believe it. Time for some rapidfire questions. The answer is simply yes or no. Charlie likes yes or no questions. Have you ever smoked marijuana . No. Charlie . Yes. Think. My mother and father arent listening to this. Do you think the sale of marijuana should be legal nationwide . I think we are dealing yes or no. No. No. Do you support casino gambling in massachusetts . Yes or no. This is the problem with these questions. It should not be repealed. I am going to vote against it. Will you should Illegal Immigrants get drivers licenses . I dont know yet. Yes or no. I am not going to answer a question. You have to. No. Martha, should Illegal Immigrants get instate tuition . Yes. I support the governors executive order. Is there a place for martha coke in the administration . No. Martha coakley in the administration . Sure. One more final question. If you lose this race, are you done running for Political Office . Yes. If i lose, yes. My wife would never let me run for anything else. Lets get ready for closing. I believe Charlie Baker gets the closing. Let me think the viewers for tuning in. Let me bank this great office for your wonderful participation. Martha, let me thank you as well. I just want to start by asking everybody to keep the mayor of boston and his wifes and their family in your prayers. Life has a funny way of throwing you the worst, and after all the years he spent serving i was hoping he was going to have the kind of retirement he deserves. Let me say a couple things. First, i got in this race because i wanted to make government work better. I want to make it better for the people who pay the bills and the people who depend on it for services and expected to perform. I am proud to say so far i have gotten the endorsement of every newspaper in massachusetts, primarily because they believe i have the right agenda, the right skill set, and the right focus to get things done and to bring the kind of excellence and performance to beacon hill that has been missing. I hope you will consider voting for me on november 4. Martha . Thank you for the terrific audience. I am asking for your vote on november 4. I know you have heard about my brother and what my family went through with Mental Illness and inability to get help for that. There are too many people who dont get that help. We dont provide good Mental Health and Behavioral Health four. There are too many people addicted who need extra beds. I will do that as governor. I also know that when we invest in our kids and when we see kids in a good vocational technical school, we need computer science. I want you to hear about these kids who, when they were learning coding, they taught me how to get the angry birds to eat each other after an hour. These kids were so excited about what they were learning. They said to me about their teacher, mr. Marx teaches us how to walk and relearn how to fly. I thought, thats what we want for all of our kids in massachusetts. When we do that, when we invest in our kids, we will be prosperous and fair. We would like to thank our partners, the hanover theatre for the performing arts. Lets give them a round of applause. Chamber of commerce and the gazette. We would also like to thank allison king and the gazette. We would like to think our candidates. We appreciate your time this evening. Thank you so much. Thanks to our audience. Have a great night. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] here is a look at the ads complex mr. Maker is running head of ms. Coakley by four points, the exact opposite of the New York Times poll that was released yesterday. It shows the volatility of recent polling in a race that is too close to call. Voters weighing in on the debate felt that mr. Baker was strong on the economy will miss acre was stronger on educational issues. In the debate between cory booker and his republican challenger, jeff powell, and consultant,tical and twotime gop incumbent republican and firstterm senator tim scott faces democrat Joyce Dickerson and independent joe bussey. You can weigh in on twitter and facebook. One of the races cspan has the iowa ring is senate race where braley and ive bruce joni ernst start competing. We spoke with her reported this the hour race iowa race. The iowa alk about senate race. Another closely watched race for control of the senate. Jennifer jacobs, lets begin with the status of it. What are the polls showing . It is definitely a tossup. Will see a poll about every day until election day. Poll on sunday showed ernst is up four. Poll s another college coming out today, but we expected to stay very, very close. And you are referring to republican there ernst, the republican there. This is also one of the most colorful races for senate last time we did that, we almost got sick. Remember when were chilling down near his Vacation Home . He threatened to sue over that. Because we walked on his property . Yes. That is not very neighborly. It is not very iowa. Bruce peripherally is not for iowa. It is a mess. Dirty, noisy, and it stinks. Im talking about the one in washington. Too many typical politicians hogging, wasting. Lets just say that ideas. It is going to take a whole lot of iowa common sense. Jennifer jacobs joining us from iowa this morning. Pigs and chickens, this is how it is playing in iowa. All the farm animal talk place into a stereotype. You are a democrat, you see those joni ernst references and gets on their nurse. If you are a democrat and you see those bruce braley, it is the other way around. You are republican but, you know, these negative campaigns work. Iowa can be rather cynical. This posted so Many Political ads and iowans are more likely to believe negative ads and thats why they are all over the tv. What other issues are playing out in the selection . Are those the primary wants . Or whatever voters talking about in iowa . Bruce braley is talking about Social Security, abortion. He is talking about the minimum wage. Joni ernst is talking about the iowa way the strength of the iowa economy, unemployment. Says that we she has been removing regulations. So she calls that the iowa way. Two issues, he bruce braley tends to play at more the social issues. Ernst has been focusing more on the military and the middle east, and in the economic issues. I want to show our viewers a ads for bruce braley. Then we can talk about those as well. This election is not about jodie ernst or me. It is about who will be best for iowa. Iowa has lost tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs. I say it has to stop. Tax breaks eliminate for companies that outsource cut taxes for companies that hire american workers. I am bruce braley and i approve this message. Line of talk about the Social Security, and joni ernst talks about privatizing. So extreme she risks seniors retirement on the stock market. Bruce braley stood up to those trying to privatize Social Security. He will protect Social Security for all of us. Democratic Senatorial Campaign committee is responsible for the content of this ad. Jennifer, lets take that last ad. Sharing that with one week to go. Does that tell you . Say the negative ads always that, you know, your word. If it is a positive at a are tive ad says that they word for sure. The Democratic National party is one of the biggest players here. Then there is nearly the same amount of spending on the republican side, too. Has been the biggesttarget of negative ads in iowa. What about the female vote here . Iowa could be electing the first female to congress bby for journey ernst joni ernst. Its a connecting with female voters . Some, but not as many as you would like to. In plays better with men iowa than women, but i know that the campaign has been trying to work on that. They definitely have a force of on a who promote her regular basis, including our Lieutenant Governor who is a republican. You talked about the outside money coming from democrats. From s the outside money republicans coming from . There is some karl rove money coming in, the Koch Brothers money coming in. Then the National Republicans on the gop side. So with a week to go, what will you be watching for . I will be watching to see if the democrats can continue to play up the social issues. They believe that is what will get people off the couch. And, of course, well be watching to see if there are can mistakes or if they make it through and get to the end. Jennifer jacobs. You can follow her reporting on their website. Appreciate your time. Youre welcome. Next, a third debate to the candidates in the Georgia Senate race. Nunn and david perdue third nning against a candidate, amanda swofford. First, well see some of the and then ng in georgia the debate. Press club atlanta debate series. The race for United States senate. I am russ ening, spencer. We would like to welcome you and a live studio audienceto the debate series, originating from the studios of georgia public broadcasting. This is the debate between the candidates for the u. S. Senate. Alphabetical order, Michelle Nunn, former ceo of the points of light foundation. David perdue. And amanda swafford. Charles edwards is the assistant news director. And Daniel Malloy is the washington dc corresponded for the atlanta journalconstitution. This debate will consist of three rounds. Lets get started. In the first round, each panelist will pose a in the first round, each panelist will pose a question to one candidate. And, Daniel Malloy question for david perdue. Mr. Purdue, you said that National Debt is the reason you got into the debate. What specifically would you do about these programs . Should we get the private sector more involved . Thank you, daniel. It is why i got into this race. We have almost doubled this debt under this president s administration. Even though he told us he would cut it in half. Right now, those liabilities are over 1 million per household. The solution will take a long time to solve this Social Security, medicare liability. It goes up astronomically over the next 20 to 30 years. We have to do a couple of things with Social Security and medicare. We have to protect the participants of both programs. Be n have to they will able to support themselves. Your turn edwards, to ask a question. Mrs. Wofford, you are arguably the most important person in this race. If the race is as close as they you tell , what would libertarian voters . What would you tell undecided voters of how to evaluate david perdue and Michelle Nunn . A purdue and nunn you tell the would voters . I will be looking at the candidates during the runoff and i will be looking at their respective parties. At their looking privatesector experience and the things that they have done well they have been serving in the private sector. Addressing and looking at those concerns during the runup. You sound like you definitely think there will be a runoff. I believe that that is what polling is certainly telling us. I remain optimistic that a stance to take understand that the power and responsibility to change government lies in the hands. Thank you very much. Michelle cassidy, your turn to ask a question. You played an integral role the point of light, saying in an interview that the losses were necessary. Attacks on major mr. Purdue has been the lack of loss of jobs. What obligation is Corporate America have to its workers . Thank you, christina. Thank you to our panelists. Great to be here. I believe we have a duty to try and be good stewards. Every organization that i have ever run i have left stronger i took e vital than when it over. To make es you do have tough choices, but you do it with the intent that you are with the best stewart highest impact steward with the highest impact. Leave points of light and we were able to the Largest Volunteer Organization dedicated to service in the world. To david that perdues record. His own words rom is that the majority of his career outsourcing jobs. Id question whether that is a criteria we want. When he was head of Dollar General, there were over 2000 women were not paid equitably. Mr. Purdue, you have 30 seconds. Thank you. Again, a desperate attempt to distract people from with ms. Faxon misstatements i am misstatements. At Dollar General alone, we created almost 25,000 jobs. We have right now is that this government is still decimating entire us to ries and causing lose jobs. Champion for a jobs, not a rubber stamp for barack obama. That seem to be directed at you. Would you like to try it that . That has been something that is over and over again that youd be a rubber stamp. I believe that is not the first or last time youll hear that. Think that, you know, this is again, david on the actual record shipping jobs overseas. When i think about this race, i about the real contrast we have. Been here mobilizing volunteers. And you said, we neee a conversation about that. I would like to know whether you support or condone the use of those flyers to encourage blacks to go out and vote in this race. I said we do need a conversation. Ferguson, ict upon think about it from the mothers perspective. Michael brown, someone who is just a few days away from going to college, and you think about what is our responsibility as a democracy to make sure all of our young people are cultivated and supported and treated equally under the law, so i think it merits a conversation. Gives anink it opportunity to talk about the kind of society we want, where everybody has a voice, where everybody lifts up that voice and makes it known in the voting booth. I think it is important that we and inspireage, people. I have spent a good deal of the last months trying to figure out how we make sure their vote matters. Your question for david her do . Can i get a rebuttal . Sure that answers my question. Yes, and then we will move on. I am not sure whether you are supporting or opposing . Are you supporting or disapproving the use of those flyers to encourage black individuals to vote for the democratic candidate . I am focused on getting as many people out as possible to vote. I spent time with john lewis. Fact we wantut the to make sure we are urging everyone to use this right that is so precious and we need to be responsible to those who have come before us and we need to recognize all of us have an opportunity to make a difference through our vote. We will leave it there. Your question to david perdue. My question deals with the First Amendment right and the internet and citizen journalism. We have diane find than looking andegulate internet loggers license them. We had a situation where we had an individual blogger who was removed from that political event, and we havent really heard anything from you in terms of how you handled that situation. If we send you to washington as a senator, how are you going to handle First Amendment issues as it relates to citizen nalists thats it for the question. We have such great rights and privileges in this country. The First Amendment, the Second Amendment, but the bill of rights, the constitution. I am absolutely going to stand up for our constitution. I believe the president is a bashing it. I believe the First Amendment is under threat. You saw the democrats planning to pass a law about that a few weeks ago. In my opinion are great liberties are in jeopardy. If you look at what the Republican Party stands for, i think american Economic Opportunity, limited government, individual liberty. To values i got i will take washington to defend those values and fight for our First Amendment. You have 30 seconds to rebut. You have 30 seconds to respond. In terms of our First Amendment, the fcc is trying to standte. Are you going to up to the First Amendment in a more substantial way then we saw you stand up to them in north georgia . Hewere going to stop it. Gets one question. It is your chance to ask a uestion. Michelle, glad to be with you again. President obama said he is not on the ballot but his policies are. As you support obama care, amnesty, and economic policies that have failed and actually generated more people out of work in any time since jimmy carter was president , is in a vote for you just like a vote for barack obama . Ask i was with a farmer and he said, you need to tell david or do if he wanted to run against harry reid he should have moved to nevada. Against the to run president , he should have run for president. I have said there are lots of things i agree with the president on and lots of things i disagree on. That me tell you a few of those things. I believe it should have moved forward with the keystone pipeline. I believe his administration has to ourresponsible cuts military. I believe the president should have done more to address our longterm debt. I think we should move forward with minimum wage and bipartisan immigration reform. I do not agree with the president as some sort of rubberstamp. I have said clearly im going to be an independent voice for georgia, and we will work with whoever the president is to do what is best for georgia. It is interesting. That is not what the president was saying. He was on the radio saying he to geteople of georgia you elected so he could continue his good works. It seems if you want to help the military you would stand up for our veterans instead of saying he would defer to the president after the failure of the veterans administration. To talk about farmers after you rated it number 18 is hypocrisy. You have a chance to ask a question. Led to be here with you. Big Government Policies are decimating entire industries. Obama care is keep thirds of Small Businesses from hiring people. Do you agree more governmental less opportunity . The more government we have the less opportunity we have for individuals to engage and enter into our free market enterprise system. The less opportunity we have for individuals to become engaged, the less opportunity we have for everyone to get involved in, so absolutely Big Government is not the solution. Governmentd in local voting against Big Government solutions. I have a record of doing that. I dont want to rearrange Big Government. Think bige, i dont government works. Everything Big Government tries to do, it never does well at all. That is all we have gotten out of the leadership that congress. They never give us anything that gives back more of our freedoms we deserve in this country. That is the right of the federal government, to give the rights we deserve. You have 30 seconds to rebut. Big government is stifling entrepreneurism and growth. Regardless of your party, if you believe in Economic Opportunity, individual liberty, economic freedom, and limited government, i hope you will stand with me and help us take our country back. Your turn to ask a question. In 1992, he moved to asia to head up operations. You said you built it from the ground up. Shortly after 500 people lost their jobs. You said people who question the outsourcing career you have dont understand business. Could you tell us and the people just at their jobs little more about business . First of all, here we go again. Misstating the facts. I went to asia to open asia to all of the divisions to help sell products over there. It was a Global Organization in most countries. There was no connection to any jobs. That was an entirely different division. It had nothing to do with what we were doing. My opponent knows that, but here is the problem. This is a distraction. This is what is wrong with politics. We get this every time we have a race. Here is the truth. This president s failed policies are hurting men and women in georgia, and you know that. You havent said one thing you would do to create jobs. Let me ask you a question. Do you own an iphone . Do you outsource jobs . Computer . An apple do you outsource jobs . I went to be a champion for the working people of this state. To respond. S the facts are very clear. They are in a deposition under oath that you said you spent the majority of your career outsourcing. There were 16 Different Countries listed when you created jobs, india, pakistan, china, and whether it is sara lee you have a pattern here of outsourcing jobs. I think that is a question of you run on a business career, some people deserve to know what that involves. I havent eight point plan around job creation, and i am the only one who does. Let me just say this. We created almost 20,000 jobs in about four years, yet we outsourced every single product we sold in our stores, almost all in the United States. I am proud that we helped our customers get from payday to payday and provided great opportunities to provide for families every day. Lets move on. Because into this race i believe we need to change and fight the gridlock and dysfunction in washington. Ofave talked about a variety ways of doing that, including mandating congresspeople dont get paid unless they pass an annual budget or that congressmen are precluded from going on to become lobbyists. Can you share some of your ideas for what we need to do to fight gridlock in washington . One thing we can start doing is fighting individuals and not into the party system. Another important thing we can do is understanding government is not always the answer to the problems we have, and its to become more selfreliant and to get back to what can we do through the private sector as individuals and not always looking to government to solve every problem we have. I think that is a paramount difference we need to get back to and bring back more of the responsibility individuals have had for so long. The is the original part Founding Fathers always believed in the individual. You have 30 seconds to respond. I believe the way we fought gridlock is to believe there can be good ideas on both sides of the aisle. David has talked about the fact he actually said he was bored by my bipartisan conversation, and he said he couldnt think of a single democratic idea he could Work Together on, and i think ultimately we have someone here who has said he wants to perpetuate the gridlock that already exist. What do you have to say . Hypocrisy abounds. The source of gridlock is not republicans in congress. It is harry reid. There are 300 bills waiting for his approval. When i look at the direction of this country i am very concerned because political doubles big doesnt create one single job. It doesnt answer one question the people are asking, and that is when are we going to get government working again. I will give you a shot at that. I believe until you send people republicans who are going to Work Together, or democrats, that we are going to have the continued gridlock. I dont believe its one party or the other. I believe it has to be both sides coming together. I believe we have a contrast. I dont take it is about prosecutors the other party. I think it is about problem solving. I disagree. When you have a failed presidency you have to prosecute it because we deserve better than we are getting right now. When we look at the direction of this country we have to make a righthand turn. The direction of this country is turning. I want something that will get our people working again and secure National Security around the world and have consistent foreign policy. I will work with anyone who will help me do that. If you are just joining us, this is the debate between the candidates for u. S. Senate. I am going to ask a question submitted by the public and turn for thee panelists question. Our first constituent question comes from kathleen martin. She is a greatgrandmother from covington, and she would like to know, can they Say Something good about their opponent. You start. Amanda, i am grateful for your courage and joining the race and for standing by your ideals and values, and i have a lot of admiration for that. I know you are doing that while continuing to work and how much hard work that is. David also for your commitment to public service. I think we all owe a debt of gratitude to those willing to be in the arena. Ofalso share a variety different family relationships. I know you are as proud of your family as i am of mine, and someone recently told me something i didnt know about you, which is that you have a very good golf game. Her dad is flying again. Again. G amanda, i respect you so much. Standing up for liberty and the individual. I respect that, and we need more of that in america. I think both parties have to Pay Attention to that right now. Eyes i respect you are working while you are trying to do that. This is a hard game. Michelle, i respect you are a working mother. You have a great family anybody would pray for. I love your heart. I love your brain. I love your family. We just disagree on the policies, that i like what you have done in your career, and i respect you for that. You have a Wonderful Team working for you. A very solid team, and i respect a lot of the individuals working for you. You have organized a great team. Nunn, it is wonderful to share the state with a woman running for senate. Its great to share the stage as one of only three women ever state of in the georgia. Charles edwards, your turn to ask a question. But my question is for mr. Perdue and for ms. Nunn. Time on a lot of outsourcing and jobs and the economy. If i am at home watching this dont have a job, what realistically, given the next soate term can be done businesses can do what they need to do to thrive and people can get jobs so the Unemployment Rate goes down . What should be done . The seminalhat is question of this election. Along, longall before she had an opponent last year, we were talking about how to get the economy going. Do,e are many things we can but there are three priorities. You have to cut spending, and you have to solve the tax problem. We are the only country with a repatriation tax. It is not a partisan issue. I really believe we have the highest Corporate Tax rate in the world. The second thing is we are overregulated and overtaxed. If we pull back these regulators Small Businesses will take off. We have to unlock our Energy Resources to fulfill our mission to provide a better life for our kids and grandkids. We actually agree on some of those things. I think we need to make sure we are alleviating Regulatory Burden on Small Businesses. I think we need to make sure we are reforming our tax code. Righttion and investment youre at home. I think we need to continue to invest in infrastructure, which we know is an important part of Economic Development. I also think we need to raise the minimum wage. Are looking at what we can do in congress to make sure everybody working has the capacity to be selfsufficient. I think this is a place where we disagree. I asked whether or not he believes we should raise mr. Perdue, go ahead. A perfect example of what happens when someone who has not been in business answering questions about how you feel jobs. She went right away to the minimum wage. It comes around every four years. Right now, i want her to answer the question, if you raise the minimum wage 40 , which person would you tell is going to lose a job . Thats the last think we need to do when we are trying to get the economy going. We disagree with the economics and it does not mean i do not understand business. You tell the people of georgia that if they do not understand business, but we do. I understand what it means to raise the minimum wage. In states where theyre raised the minimum wage, they have greater growth. As you has right now, know, the highest Unemployment Rate in the nation. We do know a thing christina cassidy, your turn. On the topic of the Corporate Tax rate, you have to ask that want to . For all of them. The question is what would i cut to make the Corporate Income tax down to zero work . To make the nk Corporate Income tax were, that is a part of the fair tax. Which is a program that has a lot of widespread support and of Research Behind it. The s a program that shifts taxation down to a consumptionbased tax. With that, it does eliminate the Corporate Income tax. That is a Strong Program that i have been involved with undergraduate level for a very long time. Working to go in that direction. That we e, certainly, can look to go Even Stronger away with all do federal taxes. So the taxes are based on population and repealing the 17th amendment and getting back to more direct representation for taxation. Mr. Purdue, what would you cut . It is a great question. One of the reason we have gridlock is that every time we talk about increasing tax one spending e cuts that is a unilateral debate. I think the real debate is how get the economy going to solve this. There are over 2 trillion stuck in foreign banks, trapped there, that if you if you bring that Corporate Tax rate down to zero or some nominal number, there are out there that say because of the Economic Growth, it offsets itself. We only generate about 21 days on the tax rate. I think we can create a level field around the world to create more jobs here at home. I agree that by cutting the Corporate Tax rate we will and sent investment and create Economic Growth in our own country. I think it is an example of where democrats and republicans can Work Together. I do differ with david and amanda about the fair tax. Mean 30 tax would plus tax on things like groceries, milk, everything. Than so means that more 50 of georgians would end up paying 4000 more in taxes. People at the very top, at the be turning less 200,000 estimated less. We need tax reform, but the socalled fair tax is just not fair to the majority of georgians. Daniel, your turn to ask a question. Who is going to be a party leader. Would you vote for harry reid . Ms. Wofford, would you vote for . I will vote id that for the democrats that i think best serve the interests of combating gridlock and getting things done. I i really do believe that we need to hold leadership accountable. I think that washington has been dysfunctional and the to continue here is to change the thread going to get something done. Nothing will really get done in the senate until we have people on both sides of the aisle were going to Work Together. Neither party is going to approach 60 votes, nno matter who controls the senate. Whether it is Mitch Mcconnell or whether it is harry reid. In the e have a center senate until we have enough people who say they are going to work with pragmatism and and putting georgia first, i think that we will continue to have the same gridlock. Mr. Purdue. This is the same bill of goods we were sold in 2008 and 2012 by president obama. He said i will bring you i will work with both parties and bipartisan way. He is not done anything on all of those. My point is that the democrats are blaming the republicans in the house and they keep talking bringing stability to washington and we will work across the aisle. The senate ocrat in voted against obama care. Bills, eid has over 300 as i said, stuck on his desk. To me, that is a Single Source of gridlock in washington. I think it allows the president this country without congress. Through executive order and executive mandates. The best example is the epa. The epas killing jobs are enough. Ms. Wofford. I am not voting for any of existing leadership in congress because they are all doing a dismal job. Absolutely dismal job. I am not hanging out in visiting any of the leadership in congress. Im not friends with any of them and i dont know who any of them are. I am not supporting any of them right now. Not be sold not voting for any of them. That will happen between now and when the senate began session, so we have to wait. Who akes no difference controls the senate. Ultimately, that is what your vote comes down to. It is who you want to be in control of your life and who be making the decisions for you. Is the government the answer, or as the power and to lie ibility going with you . Ms. Wofford, thank you very much. I solicited input from the public in preparing for this over he thing that i heard and over again is how disappointed people are with the tone and content of the campaign advertising. Look at david perdues, ms. Nunn, you seem to think he cant wait to who send jobs overseas. I wonder if you are embarrassed by the halftruths. Mr. Purdue, why dont you begin. Absolutely. I have been a business guy all my life. I do not think it generates the best outcome. Big money, the drive to get reelected that is one of the problems we have in washington. I have fought to bring term limits to the discussion and dedicated to do that. I believe we have a broken system. Most people i talk to in have a believe we broken system, but they are y disappointed with the with the depressive and arrogant nature of some of these ads. Not move the dialogue to conversation about how we move forward. Offered up solutions cutting our expenses we have 480 billion of redundant agencies but i think the process is a lousy process. I, actually, have a suggestion to change the process. I challenge davids to keep the outside money from georgia. Within a few hours, david, he said he would not do that. We do see millions and millions of dollars coming in for negative advertising. I said we need Campaign Finance at least transparency against groups who come in and spend millions of dollars. So i do want to point out that the winner of the most egregious ad of the campaign georgia, but in the entire United States of america given to you, david, by saying that the point of light has given money to terrorists. That has been given a pants on fire lie. Lets hash this out because this is what people have seen it home. She is correct in the sense that the people of judge this say it was misleading. What was in her Campaign Memo how it was propsed in the Campaign Memo. Here is the other part of what you are necking straight. Bloomberg just put 350,000 to come in and fight against our Second Amendment right. You have millions of dollars by outside liberal parties who want to come in look at this race, the here and steal this election. Outcome is too important to our direction of our country, ffor us to sit and bicker about ads. I want to talk about how to get george and working again, how our veterans treated right, and how to have a that provides National Security so we are not about ebola and isis. Right now, congress is totally dysfunctional. I think i can make a difference. With only 10 people in the u. S. To has business experience, i think i can add to the dialogue about adding jobs. Nunn, one more time. Again, i think david your experience would be unique. Lets talk about, again, there for running an ad that has been called shameful and despicable life. No matter shameful and despicable lie. Lets talk about veterans and farmers by the way, i have most of my career supporting veterans so your misrepresentation about the only one who the has a set of issues that talk about veterans and farmers. There is no where, in your entire website, where you address farmers or veterans. Lets be clear who has one the in terms of at negativity and in terms of, what has been called, and outright and shameful lie. I want to do some piggybacking here. I want to piggyback on your and your ross, question, daniel. How alked about ads and people are frustrated. And you, mr. Purdue, said we should not focus on the ads, one of your ads says that you think Michelle Nunn is a rubberstamp. She has talked about the thing she agrees with the president on and think she disagrees with the president on. Am trying to understand how you can continue to call her a rubberstamp. Daniel asked you about would you support harry reid. It is good to hear you talk about the sort of characteristics you want there, but right now it is harry reid, and that is what people see in terms of agendas. Do you see harry reid is somebody who has those characteristics . We can start with david perdue talking about, you know, the ads. Well, barack obama handpicked michelle, he is funded her. Do you think she is going to the hand that feeds her . She hhas had Michelle Obama in town, she has had hillary in town. It seems to me that we need an outsider to go there and make change. We keep talking about gridlock, at the cause look about gridlock and that is harry reid. The next two years, god only knows how many federal judges are going to be appointed and two supreme one or Court Justices named in that time. I think the people in georgia to be very serious about who to name is the next senator. Ms. Dunn, can you give us a no about harry reid . Can answer this . Nobody has been feeding me by hands, david. Let me just clarify. I probably spent maybe 45 minutes of my life with president obama. I spent seven years running ppoint of light organization. Someone someone who deeply understands bipartisanship and working across party lines is the part of getting something done. So, again, the accusations of rubberstamp a completely disproportionate. You know that when you cast your vote in the senate, you have to figure out who is going to be represented. Right now, i think there are real reasons to say to harry reid and Mitch Mcconnell that we need to do something different. That we need to reshape the nature of our political discourse and culture in washington. I would actually say that. I have actually told harry reid know already. So, i know how to say no to senator reid and i will Work Together with them when possible. Im going to be a team player for georgia. Let me go back to one thing said three times tonight which is a misquote. I want to get the record cleared up. In that deposition, if you read you deposition, michelle, know this it never says that i outsource jobs. She has repeated that three times tonight. That is the same kind of bill of goods that we got from obama in 2008 and 2012. That is why i got into this race the distinction being that you are not moving jobs overseas, you are only sourcing overseas. Dollar general is the perfect example. We created almost 20,000 jobs and outsourced our products. Part of the cconversation that i outsource jobs they know that is not right. The implication is that George Hw Bush has endorsed her. He has endorsed us. But she, in this respect, does not do that. As the criticism not a unfair and that most major corporations to outsourcing in some form or fashion . I think it is very clear if you read the deposition that, know, david, you spent your in 8 r you lived Different Countries do not about cutting jobs you were talking about getting jobs in india and pakistan. I do not think it is the people are looking for when they are electing their senator to washington. Christina cassidy. Mr. Purdue just a moment ago brought up former new york city mayor michael bloomberg. To has given generally Political Action committees. His action anger control action on port his gun control . I believe that every citizen should have have s to guns and i parents and grandparents and our son who were hunters and gunowners. Believe the common sense to support bipartisan forward ion to put universal background checks to ensure that criminals, terrorists, and those were mentally unstable do not have access to guns. Daniel malloy. Mr. Purdue, one of the of acks that advocates entering at you has to do with the notion that you want to get rid of the department of education. My mother gets a real effort that. My mom and dad were schoolteachers. I have been involved in education since my early working career. One of my first jobs was a head start program. The problems we have in the last years is that we have to hed billions of dollars the federal government and the results have gotten much worse. One out of three kids are not getting out of high school. Measure, our federal Education System is not serving our children. It is giving in the way of our good teachers. What i have said all along is that the best decision between and local teacher administration my mother has taught me since i was six years old that the best decisions are at the local level. To t is what i will go washington to do. I never said i would get rid of the department. We are not getting the results out of those expenditures. What i would have looked at is we not getting it would be much better spent at the local level and giving people control of their childrens education. Key and e certainly polls you left with your and left them holding the bag empty. Talk to those women in particular and those who may have been persuaded by them. Look, they had been in bankruptcy for years. It is a tragedy of national proportion. A federal ted by government, however, not by an individual. Because of bad government policy, entire Industries Even furniture have been decimated by these bad Government Policies. That is what ive been trying bring to this dialogue. I believe the way out of this is to get our economy going again. It seems to me that if you look at Dollar General as an example, there was no wrongdoing there. That lawsuit or claim was settled five years after she knows that. We had upwards of 70,000 employees in that company, but ask her about her to employment that imination complaints she will not disclose to the public. Hers is not. Ms. Nunn, your attitude says that women cannot trust david perdue. I would like you to answer my question. We can answer both. Like to answer both. I think that is women who are featured in the ads are employees that work for you. Telling their own experience in their own words. 2000 women actually seems a a lot to me who say that they were discriminated against. Federal investigators found that that was to. Was during your tenure the suit was during your tenure. So i think that is very clear. I am happy to talk about you try to create an equivalency here. There has never been an eeoc findings about any organization that i have ever run. That is very different from your record. General look at pillowtex. You say that was government policy. That was during george w. Bushs administration. By saying that he is responsible . I need a response on that, please. Take 15 seconds, please. She still do not answer the question. Why was he not disclose the of those two complaints. There is nothing to disclose. The eeoc and the federal investigators found nothing, point of light it is not public. The details of those complaints are not public. This is the second time you have told the voters of georgia that it is not public. You are not telling us the details of that complaint. Equivalency create is really a stretch. Thank you both. Is all the time for questions. Candidates will have 60 seconds for closing statement. Thank you. Ornk you all very much moderated in panelist questions