why did you decide to push up ms. hutchison's testimony to today? >> it is testimony we recently discovered in the deposition and we felt, to be honest with you, we did not need to hold it any longer. she was a truthful witness, somebody who we felt message needed to be out, and many of the clarifications she provided the committee we had not heard before. >> who do you want to interview in the future? > well, some of the people she referenced in r comments. we will look seriously at bringing them forward to the committee to talk, pat cipollone and other people. >> first of all, why did she just -- she decide to stay in the white house as long as she did? >> she was obviously a major employee in the white house and we felt important. and we talked to her and she came voluntarily, initially. she ca again. and part of the legal advice she was receiving didn't allow her to be as forthcoming as we felt, so at some point, she changed attorneys and she began to open up more and more about what was happening around january 6. >> some of what she told the committee today was about the level of awareness in white house as to the number of weapons floating around the mall early in the day january 6 and there was knowledge capitol police were being overrun and there was not movement early in the day to get additional forces to secure the capitol. will we get more information from the committee about w was responsible for that? >> we have two hearings at this point. the testimony today heightens those hearings in terms of awareness. we now know the white house new certain things were going on in terms of preparation. a number opeople had not voluntarily gone through magnetometers because of having certain weapons and that there were weapons confiscated from those who did go through magnetometers so it raises a real concern on our part as to why that if -- to why the president did not act more responsibly when he was told that that threat of violence was serious. >> you mentioned at the end potential witness tampering. have you asked the doj for any investigation into potential witness tampering? >> the committee will consider that along with a lot of other things. do you have more messages of term, the phone calls a what witnesses have told you have told you of potential witness tampering? >> not necessarily witness tampering, but we have a lot of information that we have worked out that we did not show for this hearing. and we felt that we put forward for what we wanted to. ere is other information that potentially will be used in hearing six and seven. in some we will just make it a part of the record. >> correct me if i'm wrong, but the national archives has come in early july, have yoreceived any more of this document? >> we received narrow documents on a regular basis, so we still have some expectations that more will come. they just come as they are prepared. >> what about meadows? >> have there been any -- have there been any updates to doj of why they have not mod forward? >> as far as i know there is no movement on mr. meadows. obviously, the fact that we have information from mr. hutchinson today, that he was aware of a lot of things going on, he comes forward with any other information remains to be seen. >> anything from doj on why they haven't moved forward? >> there has been no communication with the doj. they do their job and the committee, we do ours. we are prepared to work with them as cooperatively as possible. we have been tasked with the responsibility of looking at the facts and circumstances around januar 6, and that's what we are doing. in that process, i'm sure there will be opportunities for us to talk and eventually share a lot of the information that we will cover. it would be nice if we could, he is the vice president. obvisly, i think after this hearing we will note that some people in the white house actually knew that there were people breaking into the u.s. capitol who wanted to do physical harm to him. i woul hope that would help get him in the right frame of nd to want to come talk to us. no public officials should be threatened just because of the public policy disagreement like we had it with this last election. that's not who we are as americans, a i thing anybody who loves this country loves this government should come forward, democrat, republicans, and help us make sure that it never happens again. >> whether or not to testify? >> let's say that he s promised what he tald about in the hearing, and we will seriously consider inviting him for a transcribed interview or something like that. but i don't want to get aheaof the community -- committee, we just at the hearings. but i anticipate a serious discussion about him. >> you think that is something that could happen after public hearings are over? >> yes. we initially had two hearings proposed, this testimony today was so important, we felt the need to add it and that's why we did. so, as we do our work towards producing this, if something comes along that's important, we will include it whether it's a hearing, transcribednterview, or what have you, nothing is in stone. we will just get as much information about what happened as possible. >> the timing on this today, can we understand what changed so that this hearing wasn't previously planned? i'm sorry if you already answered the question. >> the witness has a new attorney who allowed the witness to become more forthcoming in the testimony and once our lawyers talk, we just agreed that it would be important for us to have that. >> why not wait? there is a sense of urgency. >> i think if you listen to what we heard tay, i hope you agree that some of it was quite urgent that we get out into the public. >> some of it we hadn't heard before. so the fact that weow had someone who worked in the white use, who carly understands that many things we will know in terms of the danger that the vice president takes, that peopleho are breaking into the capital were potentially arms, they knew about it and nothing was done about it for a long, long time. and we have not had a witness until mr. hutchinson to step forward and say that. >> live coverage starts at 9:00 p.m. eastern and you can watch our free mobile video app c-span now or online at c-span.org. >> c-span has unfiltered coverage of the house january 6 committee hearings investigating the attack on the capital. go to c-span.org/january 6, our web resource page, to watch the test videos of the hearings, briefings, andoverage on the attack and subsequent investigations since january 6, 2021. we will also have reaction from members of congress and the white house. go to c-span.org/january 6 for a fast and easy way to watch when you cannot see it live. >> c-span now is a free mobile app featuring your unfiltered view of what is happening in washington, live and on-demand. keep up with live streams of flr proceedings of hearings from the u.s. congress, white house events, campaigns, and more from the world politics all at your fingertips. you can also stay up-to-date with washington journal and find scheduling information for c-span'tv network and c-span radio. c-span now is available at the apple store and google play. downloaded for free today. c-span now, your front row street to washington anytime, anywhere -- front row seat to washington anytime, anywhere. >> at least s presidents recorded conversations while in office. hear many of those conversations on c-span's new podcast, presidential recordings. >> season one focuses lyndon johnson. you will hear about the civil rights act, the 1964 presidential campaign, the march on selma, and the war in vietnam. not everyone knew they were being recorded. >> johnson's secretaries new because they were tasked with transcribingany of those conversations. they were the ones who made sure the conversations were taped as johnson would signal to them through an open or -- ope door. >> you will hear some blt talk. >> want a report of the number of people assigned to kennedy the day he died and the number assigned to me now. if mine is not less, i wanted less right quick. if i cannot ever goo the bathroom, i will not go. i will stay rig behind these black gates. >> presidential recordings. find it wherever you get your dcasts. c-span is your unfiltered view of governmentunded by these television companies and more including charter communications. >> broadband is a force for empowerment. that is why charter has invested billions tilting infrastructure, upgrading technology, empowering opportunity in communities big and small. charter is connecting us. >> charter communications supports c-span as a public serve along with these other television providers, giving you a front row s -- seat to democracy. thom hartmann joins us now. he is the author of the hidden history of the supreme court and betrayal of america. in that book, you argue in 2019 the supreme court