leadership to washington. i want to make america great again. we live on the greatest and in the greatest nation on the face of this earth. brown and this is the only debate they have committed to participate in. he is currently ahead of the polls and his ring is this to fund nuclear politics. a channel. >> the candidates face off. resented by the california channel, cosponsored by the los angeles times and taliban don't fit the two. >> the first meeting of the two candidates for governor of california. good evening. moderator of this one hour debate. these are the only candidates on the ballot this november. thank you both for being here tonight for this debate. jews theswer journalist who will be asking this -- let me ask the journalists who will be asking this debate. this debate is being developed by the los angeles times and taliban don't 50 two. the rules are very simple. these are the d seconds each. the other candidate is given 30 seconds for a rebuttal. i will occasionally stepped into mature they stick to the topics. both have agreed to the debate role. we will remind them to stick to this. neil cache kari one that cost. the final closing statement. let's begin. good evening. you have one minute. >> the jobs that have been lost s that in thisicit on time. we have not had this in 10 years the legislature gave me one. i sent it back to them. this is not in a surplus. all the jobs we lost in the recession we have that. 1.4 million jobs. they are now increasing this by dirty percent. >> i am waiting for governor because i want to rebuild the middle class of california. i'm running for governor because i want to rebuild the middle class of california. governor brown means well. his 40 years in government has left them out of touch with the struggles of working families. he has declared a governor -- a california comeback. it is not only go we have the had the best schools in california. today's schools are ranked 46th out of 50 states. we used to have a vibrant job market. today it is 44th out of 50 states. we are number one in poverty. i know we can turn this around. i didn't come from a powerful family. i was a middle-class kid. i have lived the american from because i got a good education. i was able to get a good job and work hard. we can rebuild the middle class if we work together and aim high. i got the plan and the experience to get it done. >> thank you. let's get to the questions if we can. the first, this is not a surprising question. the new field goal has you 16 points behind the man beside you. if you days ago the mayor of fresno, a republican, said she is not sure she is voting for you. how can you win if a prominent republican isn't even sure you should be governor. >> i think actually is going to make a terrific comptroller. i'm going to vote for the republican ticket. we have great candidates running this cycle. she and i don't agree on everything. we have different opinions on the high-speed rail. we don't have money. it doesn't grow on trees. governor brown wants to spend $70 million on i high-speed train. as a result of that governor brown has said no, we cannot afford a school bond. republicans say we should be investing in schools. if we are spending $70 billion on the train, it crowds out the other investments. no two candidates are going to agree on everything. my commitment to the people of california, i'm going to cancel the high-speed train and invest in water in a real way. governor brown's own father led a major infrastructure investment in water around the state. pat brown understood how critical water is. if i am elected governor i'm going to invest in water, not the train. water in schools have to come first. another greece. it >> i think the question was how do you expect to win? you don't have expectation to win because things have been -- [indiscernible] they're calling california a failed state. another greece. it is a serious surplus. that is impressive. they jobs, we are cutting arts programs in science, and now we have injected $2000 per student because of proposition 30. i think people know california is not perfect. we have our problems. what momentum do we have now. >> the next question is for governor brown. >> governor brown, many parts of california depend on the water that comes from northern california. the federal government said your plan for new tunnels will break the law. what will you do? >> thank you for bringing that up. i have lived in southern and northern california. it is true, the water is from the north and the people are in the south. my father passed opposition want on the 1960 ballot. it is been a marvel for california. it is made california number one in fruits and bouts doubles. we have a problem. we have a delta system that protects the fresh water that goes to the farms, that salt water is only protected by dirt levees. we have to find a way to make sure to convey it through the delta. that is why for 50 years people have been trying either a canal or tunnels, or some other conveyance. we have a plan. the plan is going through the environment impact process. 75,000 pages of analysis. it is not cooked yet. we are taking comments. we will go over that and look for it. if anyone has a suggestion, but i am telling you the way we protect the mother in cal -- the water in california by balancing what is right for the north, it is when you take something like proposition one on your ballot. i hope people vote for it. likes governor your time is up. >> i'm concerned about the tunnels. $25 billion for these tunnels and the obama administration has concerns. if you look at the bay bridge, many million dollars over budget. if that is the tract record, i'm an aerospace engineer. when i look at a big project that is over budget, i have concerns about mismanagement. i'm not going to plow ahead with $50 billion and tunnels. we are one to put a brake on that and make sure we get it right. >> no tunnels. >> this has been on the table for 50 years. if that saltwater intrudes half the water to silicon valley will disappear in a matter of days. that'll be a catastrophe. >> the obama epa is saying it is flawed. that is your own president saying that. >> thank you gentlemen. >> is a complemented -- it is a couple kid issue. another question. >> the governor of nevada and the head of tesla announced the battery factory is going to go to nevada. you believe governor brown did enough to keep tesla here? would you have favored tax benefits or relief to get that factory? >> i don't think governor brown did enough. he says businesses, and go. it is tesla, toyota, nestlé. they are all going. there is a problem. in the four years he has been governor we have been ranked 50th out of 50 states for business climate. if you look at wisconsin governor walker has been governor for the same term. today they are 17th. that is real progress you can make in a few years. governor brown hasn't done the work. he is said we need reform. environmental laws stymieing business investment. you try to get one off deals to big companies that hire lobbyists. my whole plan, read my jobs plan, bring the expedited informants will review to all businesses. not just a tesla, to big businesses, small businesses. we need to improve our economic client so that all of our job creators can do their best, can put california families back to work. we have to rebuild. we need to bring could jobs to california. >> 30 seconds. >> it is clear what happened. we fought hard for tesla. tesla wanted a massive upfront payment that i don't think would be fair to the taxpayers. we wish them well. when tesla was to build an electric car, they built it in california. electric cars are a big part of our future. we have a million electric cars goal in california. we are going to meet it. i wish them well. california is the leading state for renewable energy and electric cars. we have 30% of the electric cars. >> thank you. i'm glad you asked about cars. the next question is for governor brown. you are a strong advocate of california's 2006 climate change law. or the effort expands to include new roles on the production of fuel. everybody believes that that is going to raise gas prices in 2015. how do you defend and increasing gas prices to hard-working families who may be struggling? >> these are the same scare tactics the automobile companies used. they fought it. i had to go to court against the big detroit automakers to get it. they cap saying the sky would fall it california raises the vehicle mile standards. what happened? they went bankrupt. obama stepped in and the california standard is now the national standard. we have a cap and trade program. climate change is a global challenge. it is an exit stencil threat. -- existential threat. and the other fossil fuels affect the asthma rates, respiratory diseases. we have a cap on the carbon oil companies can it net. if they don't meet that, we need an allowance. they provide that allowance. we buy transit, we buy green buildings. >> but the question was, the air resources board also says gas prices will go up. >> today i would than the internet and saw a variation of $1.50. oil companies can have their own pricing strategy. oil prices have varied $.10 23 times. i can't tell you what their prices going to be. chevron had 21 billion last two. all these companies are threatening the well-being. look at the forest fires in the rising sea level. >> that is time. thank you. thank you. >> make no mistake, i'm an aerospace engineer. i believe climate change. his plan is designed to raise the cost of electricity for working families, to raise the price of gas. it is not fair to wallop working families by raising gas and utility prices. he is taking the money from that program to fund his high-speed train which will not do a thing to help climate. if i am governor it is not going to happen. >> let's move to another topic. the next question is for neel kashkari. >> 58% of california voters think you should support and give shelter to a document -- undocumented immigrants coming into the united states. last month you said that when it comes to the use -- these children wishes in the back home to send a message. do you continue to stand by your statement in light of the 15% of californians disagreeing? >> im the son of immigrants. immigration adds value to our country. it is personal for me. my heart goes out to the kids who are coming here from distressed countries. kids in asia who are suffering, given africa who are suffering. the solution to the world suffering kids is not an open border in america. when he did treat the kids with compassion and care and respect, and we need to send them home. then when he to work with the state department and our aid agencies to improve living conditions around the world. kids in california are suffering. what about the kids in california? nine kids in california sued governor brown for violating civil rights. what about the kids in california? we have finite resources. who is when a sign of -- i'm going to fight for california kids. >> you stand by the statement. >> of course i stand by the statement. is the answer to the world's needy kids and open border in america? we have compassion. obama has said we need to keep them with compassion. hillary clinton has said we need to treat them with compassion and send them home. we can't solve all the worlds problems with open borders. we need sensible immigration laws and embrace immigrants. when he 24's are laws and take kids -- we need to enforce laws and take care of kids in california. >> this is a tragedy. i disagree with mr. kashkari. the law that they came in at under george bush gave these kids a hearing, i don't think we ought to change that. they ought to get a decent hearing. some of them are facing games and murder, girls being put into prostitution. they came here all the way through mexico unaccompanied by adults. the least we can do is follow the law of california. >> let's move forward. the next question, i think we maybe anticipating this. >> as you know, it's been alluded to, teacher tenure in california for teaching is grossly ineffective and the result of such poor teaching shocks the conscience. when i would like to hear from you is whether you dispute those conclusions by the judge. whether factual you disagree with the judge. >> i am appealing because the constitution requires the court of appeals to invalidate the laws of california. why think there is a problem in the inner cities with the 1.6 billion kids who speak no english at home, the kids who are homeless and poverty, yes, i do. i cared about kids. i started charter schools. at the oakland military school we had 10% of kids almost. most of the parents were single. they were not married. there was gunfire in the streets. i appreciate the challenges. california has knowledge opted -- california has adopted educational reform that puts money into those classrooms with the challenges our toughest. california is acting where we need it most. they have no place in the classroom. if it is not enough we will do further -- [inaudible] >> do you think teacher tenure affects that? >> obviously it has some impact. the lack of language, the like of income, the lack of disproportionate funding, which we are now doing goes to the major factor. in my charter schools -- >> the judge got it right. this is one of the most important civil rights cases in years. nine kids sued governor brown and said their civil rights are being violated by a failing school. you side with the union bosses per you should be ashamed of yourself. i'm going to fight for the kids. >> that is so false. >> it's absolutely true. >> gentlemen. gentlemen. i do link we're going to agree on this issue. -- i don't think we are going to agree on this issue. you can address it in your closing statement. [indiscernible] this is a question from me. i was a talk about you. california voters don't know you well yet. you champion the 2008 bailout of america's biggest banks known as tarp. you took a job with pimco, a company that may a direct profit from tarp backed securities. is tarp and i -- is tarp and asset? >> it is an asset. two presidents, bush and obama asked me to help lead the response. we hated the financial crisis. we wanted to let the banks fail. no one owed them anything. when our ptolemy -- when our economy was on the verge of collapse, that is when president bush and then president obama stepped in and said we need to stabilize the economy. the experts say you can't get it done, you can't do big things. we rejected the experts. we got george bush and obama to work together. we got nancy pelosi and john maynard work together. we work to stabilize the economy and then we rejected the taxpayers. we got every dollar back. we made a $13 billion profit. governor brown praise president obama's leadership for his role in stabilizing the banking sector. thank you for the compliment. i am proud that we got democrats to work together. i know we can get them to work together in sacramento for the people of california. >> governor brown. you can get everybody to go along. >> the system will stabilize. the bonuses that were given after the bailout, $32 billion, talk about distorting the middle class. that exacerbate it the unfairness that wall street has integrated to with the home foreclosures and unemployment. let's bail them out. don't give them a bonus on top of the money the taxpayers have to pay. people who caused the problem got rewarded. >> i give you a slight extra bit. >> governor brown, you are being sued for rating [indiscernible] you spend it somewhere else i know you're being sued by home profits. >> different topic. >> it is exactly related to this. >> it is true. >> gentlemen. >> hundreds of people -- >> it's a good clash. let's go to the next question here coming from the studio of the california studio in sacramento. >> governor brown, one of your biggest programs has been realignment. some of them have committed new clients -- crimes, and crime rates are going up. is realignment a success or has it moved the problem from the state to the county? >> realignment is the biggest change in 40 years. anything in government takes time. this is a long-term process of realigning what the counties do, and what the states do. we say the lower offenders should not come in at out-of-state prison like a revolving door. over the last 30 years, california increases prisons by 500%. they didn't put any money in it. the conditions were crowded. the supreme court reduce the population. in order to do that, [indiscernible] we need mental health services, drug treatment, monitoring by gps, and with proposition 40 we guaranteed billions of dollars for local counties to pay for the program. it is working. the people who carried it out endorsed my candidacy. this is an important measure. it is by no means perfect. there have been in some places spikes and property crime. i would say the first two years is a success. >> thank you. 30 seconds. >> the program is a failure. governor brown is not going to release dangerous criminals. a 39-year-old man went on and robbed and raped his own grandmother. these are dangerous people being released. if i'm elected governor i'm going to keep them locked up. we are going to rent more bad else. releasing them is not a way of making us safer. >> we are when a fight the courts to do that. if the choices release them, the is a stop -- unacceptable option. >> i want to return to something you mentioned. both of you have argued for the need for summer form -- for some reform. it also has been a mainstay of environment protection. my question is, what reforms do you envision specifically that would speed up development and growth and would not do that at the expense of the government -- environment? >> when the kings are going to leave, and they look at this and said a ghost through the normal process, it's going to take years extra and millions of dollars of extra cost. governor brown signed and expedited review and said we are going to speed that process up and limit the losses so there is a review. we are not checking the environment to rules. let's make it reasonable and predictable. that's a good plan. instead of giving it to those who were politically connected like the kings or big businesses, why do we adopt that new standard and make it available to everyone? big businesses, small businesses, anybody who wants to invest in california? all of these policies are well meaning. this is why jobs are leaving the state. we have the highest poverty rate in america. how can that be? this great state. we have done this to ourselves. well-meaning policies that make the state not jobs friendly. 50th of 50 states. jobs leave and poverty goes up. let's not talk all regulations. let's have sensible regulations were businesses can invest and bring jobs back here. >> governor, a response? >> i have been fighting for the reform since i was mayor of oakland. there was political pressure. very hard to get it across the board. if we can we will. there are reforms you can make. it has been quite a challenge to reform it. that is not what is holding california back. we created 1.2 million jobs. we have extended health care. instead of having 22% without health care really have 11 percent. this is the place of google, of dreams, big best agriculture in the whole country. i know we are hearing california is run down, and no jobs. that is not the picture of california i know a love. i love this state and i know it works. we have not solved all the problems, but what momentum we have. >> thank you, governor brown. the next question for you, sir, the incumbent here and it is from me. governor, we all know and should make it clear, you did not create the high speed rail project it existed before you came back in office but you have become its biggest champion. republicans keep telling you california is not going to get the $38 billion from washington that that project anticipates. can you tell voters right now will high speed rail be built if the feds do not give you the money? >> it will for a simple reason. it is cheaper than building highways and airport runways. there is something a lot of people forget. to expand and meet the 10 million or 15 million new people we have to expand interstate 5, build more freeways, more airports and more runways. if we take part of that burden and put it into high speed rail it will be cheaper, cleaner. we will not burn oil. we will use the sun and wind and it will help where we need jobs the most. that high speed rail is starting in the central valley and that is why the mayor of fresno supports high speed rail. we are investing $2 billion of state money. $3 billion of federal money on the first phase and that will be $8 billion of impact economically. it is good for california and helps lower the carbon footprint. >> we have a bit of time. i will give a minute because mr. kashkari calls it a crazy train. governor, is it a crazy train? >> i think he is more familiar with the gravy train in washington that paid out $30 million in bonuses. this train makes a lot of sense. 14 other can countries have high speed rail. china which on a per capita basis is poorer than america or poorer than california just built 5,000 miles and they will build another 5,000-miles to get to tibet. we can do it. just like they said you couldn't build the panama canal. >> we did it within the 90 seconds almost. >> he is raising your gas prices to fund what i call the crazy train. they talk about creating jobs. you know what else creates jobs? building water storage around the state. not one dam. a real infrastructure investment. invest it in water. the construction projects both create jobs but let's have something useful that can feed the state for the next several decades by investing in water in a real way not one little project like the water bond. it is the crazy train and even your own lieutenant governor said this makes no sense. we have to cancel the train and invest in higher priorities. we have other investments to make, not the crazy train, governor. >> move another topic here. the california debate, the raise for governor 2014 from the studios of the california channel. your question next is to mr. kashkari. >> mr. kashkari, six years ago, california voters approved a ban on same-sex marriage proposition 8. you were one of the 130 conservatives who signed a brief urging that the u.s. supreme court to overturn prop 8. how do you explain your position to the people of california who supported prop 8? >> i want the government out of our lives and like governor brown i thought that that law was wrong banning same-sex marriage. if two people want to get married that is between the two of them and god and god bless them and i hope they have a wonderful life whoever they are. my focus is on rebuilding the middle class. the government should stay out of our lives. i applauded governor brown and the attorney general for exercising discretion in not appealing the case which flies in the face of what governor brown said earlier today. he exercised appropriate discretion and i applauded him for doing that in not appealing the prop 8 ruling. i wish he could use the same discretion in fighting for poor minority kids in california. >> jerry brown, 30 seconds. >> what a salesman. you learned that on wall street when he sold all that stock and went sour. i care a lot about poor kids in the state. i did create a charter schools in oakland and i went to be mayor of a tough hard scramble city and created the local control formula. i think the only state that spends a significant extra amount to go to the schools where they have poor kids and kids that don't speak english. this is the real answer. bad teachers in the schools of california and certainly not me. if that doesn't go far enough we will take more steps at the next legislative session. >> we both pivoted there off the topic but i appreciate the about -- the passion here. the next question in the debate is from jim newton for the incumbent jerry brown. >> governor, you have called california's unfunded pension debt enormous and ever growing. what can and will you do in the fourth term as governor that you haven't been able to do in your third term as governor to turn around the pension situation? >> let's see because there is some of this imaginary here makes you wonder is this california or in arkansas or mississippi? this is the eighth largest economy in the whole world. before i became governor it was the ninth largest. we are making progress. 1.4 million jobs. a deficit $27 billion. a wall of debt, $32 billion. we paid down the deficit. we paid down half of the wall of debt and did pension reform. we stopped spiking. we raised the age of retirement. made employees pay 50% of the normal cost of pensions. in addition to that we put a cap on the pensions themselves. we have now funded over the period of decades our teachers' retirement that was on the course to go bankrupt. is it enough? no. i can tell you i have been in government a fairly long time. things don't get done with a press release or glib statement. they take many, many years. the first pension reform probably in california's history i enacted last year. we got republicans as well as democrats. we will do more. this is not easy. in the next four years we will go further in the pension, we will do something about retiree healthcare and most importantly we will keep paying down our wall of debt. arnold schwarzenegger borrowed. it was really a credit card. when we pay that off, less debt service and then take time on other bills. >> you like to say that we are the eighth largest economy. when you were first governor we were the fifth largest. we need to turn this around and rebuild the middle chas. the governor is not being honest with us about pensions. the total liabilities is $500 billion. the first thing he did as governor is throw people off the boards of the agencies that were fighting for honest accounting and right now they are predicting the stock market is going to go to the moon for the next 20 years and governor brown's own budget doesn't call that into question. the first thing i will do as governor is appoint people to the boards who are committed to honest accounting to be honest with you the people of california on how much you and i we are on the hook for and that is how we bring people together. be honest about how big the hole is and bring people together and start a real process. not just tinkering around the edges incrementalism. we can get it done. >> next question for you, mr. kashkari. you called obama care "a jobs destroyer." no state has done more to make it reality other than california. a lot of it under the man sitting next to you. if elected would you try to dismantle it in california, the exchange, all of it? if want to fix it. obama care is personal for me. my plan was canceled, true story under obama care. my premium went up 27% and now i can't go to the old doctor i went to. the good news is i can enough money i can afford it so i'm okay. i have good health insurance. i have concerns when 16% of californiaians, 16 percent of californiaians either have no job or stuck in a part-time job. he says we are not talking about real california. you at home, do you think we are back? do you think that you have the job that we want? hang on for a second -- i'm coming to it. >> thank you. >> we have a major piece of federal legislation that incentivizes reducing worker hours and reducing the number of full-time employees. i have big concerns about obama care through what it will do to the job market when it incentivizes employers to cut back on workers. we need a healthcare plan in california and nationally that incentivizes job creation. if i was governor this is the federal law of the land. i can't unilaterally change and redesign it. >> but you won't cancel the exchange? >> i'm not going, to but we need to fix it and put californiaians back to work. that is my highest priority. >> governor brown, 30 seconds, please. >> so much glib statements that don't comport with reality. i feel like i'm getting a sales pitch from i don't know who. >> neel. >> learned your job well there working at goldman, sachs and the rest of the people who wrecked the economy. bailed them out. like the arsonists putting out the fire. >> california is doing the best job putting obama care into practice. you have two parties, two branches of government or rather two houses. but we are making real progress and what i'm most proud of that the number of uninsured is going down to 11% and used to be closer to 25%. so that is good. and that is when we are trying to do. by the way, when you talk about the poor people, i'm the one who is raising the minimum wage to 10 bucks and gave latinos drivers licenses so they could legally drive to work. there are millions who aren't documented who are picking our food and working in our factories. >> as we move on here into what i call the home stretch of the debate, a question close to the issue. >> governor brown, now this you mentioned the illegal immigrants is around 1.4 million undocumented immigrants that are getting ready to get the driver's license that you just mentioned january 2015. unlike normal california driver license they will get one with a marking and show and indicate to everybody their undocumented status. could you have a plan to ensure profiling will not become a problem with the new license? >> the california highway patrol will protect the rights of all california drivers and we are still foyting with the obama administration to get a mark that we feel will not lead to discrimination. but the most important thing is so many people over a million people will be able to legally drive to work and that has been really a shock thing that we depend on labor but won't let them legally get to the job. we will not let the difference and it is a difference because the federal law requires an indication this is not good for federal identification purposes. it is only good for california. but that is a big thing. there were people who were getting arrested, taking kids to school, go together job site or going out to the farms. i think the big thing is california is empowering so many good hard-working californiaons and its really in the face of no action in washington, gridlock like we used to have in sacramento before i got there. places in shambles. we didn't have a water plan. didn't have pension reform. we had a huge wall of debt. we are getting stuff together and with respect to immigration california is setting the pace whether a trust act, we are not arbitrarily holding people in jail so the immigration service can pick them up. i signed the dream act so kids who qualify for the university can go to school and get a scholarship. i think that will build for the future because so many of our kids almost about 30% are either undocumented or don't speak english. >> governor, very quick. >> the main thing is do you have a strategy to monitor that this is not going happen? even though they train the c.h.p. people, the police they will have that driver's license. anybody can see it in. if they go and try to open a bank account or buy something in the supermarket. >> i will instruct the commissioner of the highway patrol to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent that. i will do the same thing working with the local police and sheriffs and thirdly to the extent that we hear anything he would take immediate action upon those reports. >> mr. kashkari, would you have signed it, by the way? >> we need federal immigration reform. one of my criticisms of governor brown is there are a lot of issues that affect california that he said he it is not his issue and it is federal law. i will be fighting on federal issues, too. if that means i have to go to washington to fight for federal reform i will to that. in driver's license, i want them to be safe, i want all drivers to be safe. but we can't just solve this at a state level. we need federal legislation for the whole country. but the discrimination was the key question. we have to fight it throughout society. as the son of immigrants myself, as a brown kid growing up, we have to make sure that every kid from every nationality in every background and every community is free from discrimination. i will do everything to make sure that happens. >> would you have signed that or vetoed it? >> i would have signed the driver's license. >> governor brown's predecessor was like you, a republican, a moderate. the last republican governor of this sit. how do you rate schwarzenegger's legacy? >> i really admire governor schwarzenegger. he came to america with nothing. he was an immigrant. he came here with his dreams and hard work and talent and look what he accomplished? he built an amazing life for himself, tremendous success and frankly an inspiration for all of us. i feel that resonates with me as a son of immigrants myself from a middle class background. my dad wasn't governor. i grew up mowing lawns and bagging groceries. for me to sit here as the republican nominee for governor i'm proud that people like me and like schwarzenegger could achieve what we are achieving. i don't think that he was as successful as he would have liked to have been. i spent three years in washington, d.c. tackling the worst economic crisis our nation has faced since the great depression. everyone told us you can't get republicans and democrats to work together and can't navigate the house and senate. we got them to work together. we got the leaders of both parties to put their country before their political careers and that inspired me to run now. because if we can do big things in washington, d.c. for the american people, in a time of national crisis, you know, the people of california many of them are in crisis today. 24% poverty. governor brown doesn't like to talk about it. 24% poverty today. those families are in crisis and i'm running for governor to fight for them. >> 30 seconds, please. >> i have seen nothing in his program that will help poor people. >> jobs, governor. >> follows from the bonuses to the buddies at goldman, sachs. >> i think the way arnold had big plans but takes insider knowledge to get it done. our state was in a shambles. they were calling it a failed state. it is back. it is not all the way back and he likes to create the construct if we are not perfect we are not making progress. we are making incremental progress. 1.4 million jobs and recovering faster than the rest of the nation. we are moving forward. we have more money going to our schools, 30% more instead of layoffs and we have a water bond proposition one and a rainy day fund to save funds for hard times if they come. i hope everybody on the ballot november will vote for proposition 1 and proposition 2. >> the next question from me, governor, it's to you. may be one of the simpler questions. one of the most talked about bills at the state capital was a statewide ban on plastic bags. let me ask you the simple question first, paper or plastic? >> paper, i guess. >> will you sign this? >> no, i probably will sign it, yes. i tell you what, in fact i will tell you why i will sign it. normally i don't tell you ahead of time and we get the bill get enrolled and i can read it. here is the key thing. there are about 50 cities with their own plastic bag ban and that is causing confusion and the grocers said let's have one statewide ban that is reasonable. this bill has been worked through. this is the nature of the legislative process and a compromise and taking into account the needs of the environment and the economy and grocers. i think on balance this will protect the environment because we have far too much waste and throughput but at the same time we are doing it in a standard way that will not disrupt business in california. >> mr. kashkari? >> no chance would i sign that. they have been working on for the last month banning plastic bags. regulating football practice because the families of california can't decide how much football practice is enough. a and now i can now bring my dogs to restaurants. i'm a dog lover. i'm grateful for that. they are not working on rebuilding the middle class. you are making incremental changes. we are 46th in education. 44th for jobs. number one in poverty. the time for incrementalism is long since past, governor. we need reform to build the middle class. plastic bags and bringing my dogs to restaurant is not going to do it. neither is regulating football practice or soccer or baseball. we need jobs to get people back to work, governor. >> there are awful lots of california families that would like to see the governor do more when it comes to bringing down the cost of attending colleges. what is the best way to make college affordable for all? >> this is a critical issue. when i went to graduate school i took out $100,000 in loans. let me tell you something that is a really scare where thing to do for a kid. are you going to be able to pay it back? i was fortunate and able to get a good job and able to pay it back. a lot of california kids can't get into the california universities first of all because they are taking out-of-state students because they pay higher students. or graduating with thousands of dollars in debt and no jobs. there are big issues here. our california schools are funded per student. so the more stow dents they have the more money they get from the state. that sounds right except it creates a perverse incentive. they are incentivized to collect students and hoard them on campus and not to graduate them and move them on and get the classes that they need. other states changed the funding model so the universities are actually incentivized to make sure that the kids get the classes they need and can actually graduate on time and make sure that we can have more students come in and the incentives are aligned. the first thing i would do is change the incentives so the universities are focused on student outcomes. he would have to put students first. my dad was a professor at the local college. the students have to come before the faculty and making sure california kids not out-of-state students, california kids come first and get the classes they need and then if we grow the economy with jobs reforms that are good jobs waiting for them when they graduate here in california. >> governor brown, what can you do about college costs? >> i froze tuition for three years at the university of california and cal state. half of the kids who go to the community colleges pay no tuition and it is among the lowest in the whole country. kids graduating from california colleges have about half the debt that others have. there is nothing that will help the middle class in my opponent's plan. >> have you read it? >> i have and i was unimpressed to tell you the truth. i signed to help kids that don't get the scholarship. the middle class scholarship and we have frozen tuition. >> what are you most worried about his plan? you said he read it. >> he said the answer to poverty is to create jobs. the only thing to do about creating jobs is get rid of unspecified regulations and reduce taxes. he opposed proposition 30 which is putting the money into the colleges and universities, $500 million and $5 billion in the k-12. >> i realize i cracked open the door here. >> which taxes in my plan, cuff, am i cutting? curious if you know? >> it is very vague. >> it is not very vague. it is very specific, governor. very specific governor. you can read if yourself. it is very specific. >> we are at the time we have to do closing statements. i will ask a question quickly. this has been fun. >> it has been fun. >> would you another debate, governor? >> i think we exposed the differences. they are clear to me. and this is kind of a format you can play it over and over again at your house. >> and i'm sure we will have it on the california channel and other places. we are at the place for closing statements. both candidates one minute. the first from governor brown. >> thank you. this is the spirited debate. real differences of opinion. but i just want to get back to fundamentals. four years ago when i went to sham sacramento the place was in a shambles. majority of people in california feel we are on the right track. five years ago only 13% felt we were on the right track. we are taking care of water and workers compensation and created a rainy day fund. i know there is coming back and forth. we lost 1.4 million jobs. since i have been elected almost 1.3 million have come back to $and that isn't by accident. we lowered the sales tax on manufacturing. we were encouraging biocom and agriculture. california has challenges but we have momentum and we are headed in the right direction. >> jerry brown the incumbent. thank you for your closing statement. now from neel kashkari. >> the real question, is your family back? are your kids in good schools today? do you have the job that you want and the job that you deserve? i'm running for governor to fight for your family and to fight to rebuild the middle class so every kid in california has the same shot in life that i had. my parents were immigrants, i was a middle class kid. i got a good education and got a good job and worked hard and lived the american dream. i'm running for governor so every kid in california has the same chance that i had and you can get the job you want and work hard and build a better life for yourself and your family. dedicating not just my candidacy but if i'm elected my entire governorship to rebuild the middle class so you can live the life that you want to live. i don't think we are back. we can make big changes. we have to make big changes. i have the plans and experience to do it and i'm asking for your vote. >> thank you, republican challenger. and let me thank also jerry brown. spirited debate. could have brought the dogs in the next time. thank you to both candidates being here for the california debate. an early depate in the election season. the first ballots go out by mail in three weeks and overseas and military before that. my thanks to jim newton of the los angeles times and duni of telemundo 52. and to the california channel in sacramento and all of your partners in the debate. the only other message here, folks in the debate is really to all of you who are watching and listening at home, vote in this election. it really matters. thank you. good night. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute] debate included the topics of crime, and economic growth. connecticut is listed as a leads republican state. an hour.ust over >> thank you, ladies and gentle and. i don't know if i need to go to a great deal of link to tell you about our candidates tonight. welcome. [applause] >> german, before we start -- bear with us for a minute. -- gentleman, before we start -- bear with us for a minute. this is a very important part of the program, the timing. each of you have 25 minutes to use for your discretion. each of you will have your own timer. joe biden and chris christie were unavailable tonight. as timers, we have a couple of bullets and columnists. governor, he will be your timer. he has cards to keep you abreast of what your time is. mr. foley, he will be your timer. he too has cards to keep you abreast of how you are doing with your time there. with that said, good evening, gentlemen. nice to see you. let's get started. we are not going to decide this race tonight, unfortunately. we have a couple more months we have to campaign and we will have to do this a few more times. but i would like to do tonight is set the framework by identifying those issues which will be the framework of this campaign, and he tone. on that note, under the heading of best character count, let me start with this question here. governor, you have suggested in the past that ambassador foley has not always been truthful. ambassador foley, you have suggested that the appearance of unethical behavior on the part of the governor. here is the first question. governor, do you believe ambassador foley is dishonest? ambassador foley, do you believe the governor is unethical? who wants to go first? [laughter] >> governor, do you want to take that? >> you know, i think that records are important, what people have done in the past in their professional or political lives is important. i think ultimately, the constituency, voters decide what is most important. i think you know what happens in the future based on what people have done in the past. i think lots of things get

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