accuser may go to the grand jury and there may be victims with -- another bombshell concerning the former charity second mile, the one he founded allegedly to recruit victims while projecting a saintly image. david whittle saying the organization could end up folding. that's one of three options he laid out. that in his words the organization could end up "not continuing." the move matters because second mile faces a potential civil liability nightmare if the allegations are true and second mile turned a blind eye. they're launching an internal investigation. but they've been less than forthcoming so far about what they knew and had they knew it. in 2002 when the graduate assistant mike mcqueary saw sandusky raping a boy. curley told the grand jury he notified second mile yet second mile did not bar sandusky from contact with kids until 2008. six years. no comment from second mile. nor comment from the new york times that several years of records were missing and possibly stolen. unnamed investigators telling the times that the missing files may make it tough to determine whether sandusky used charity money to recruit, groom or travel with possible victims no. comment on a separate report, nbc news citing a senior law enforcement force saying the fbi may be looking to open its own investigation into whether sandusky broke federal law, whether he transported a minor across state lines to commit child abuse. one boy, victim number 4, says he was repeatedly abused including out of state bowl games. there's a district attorney who investigated the allegations in 1998 and decided not to prosecute. it turns out,there's mo paperwork or decision mem row laying out the decisions why he declined to prosecute. there's no files on the case whatsoever and possibly never kept any files. we'll ask our legal panel approximate that. as for the decision memo, the da insigss he searched for one. griker vanished six years ago and declared legally dead. the d.a.'s office has to comply with laws. penn state doesn't. the university made none of the records available to the media. none of them. tonight reacting to the ncaa investigation, school officials put out a statement. penn state intercollegial athlete ix intends to cooperate and understands that this is a preliminary step to understanding what happened as well as how to prevent anything similar from happening in the future. lot of talk about starting on the ground in state college from our reporter. she's been covering the patriot news, her paper. you've spoken with lawyers who say there's new victims coming forward. since jerry sandusky's interview on prime time monday, they've had several calls from potential victims who are coming out and speaking out about this abuse for the first time because of what jerry sandusky said. they felt compelled to come forward triggered by that interview. it's not clear how many there are and how many will go to police and give a statement or go to a grand jury and testify. some of them date back to the 1970s. so in some cases statute of limitations might have run out. it's not clear the range of abuse from those victims. however, we are seeing a lot of reports of more people coming forward. the second mile, is it likely they're going to close? >> well, you know, the ceo told us today that one of three options. they're hoping it's not what they have to do, but they're taking time to talk to donors, to talk to the school that helped them with the programs. that facilitate the programs to see what they can do. going forward, what's the best option. there's flee options. they did continue on as a second mile. they could continue on doing the things that second mile did under a different name or they might have to shut down. >> the news today that paterno has lung cancer, was this information out there under the radar or is this in fact new information? >> well, specifically lung dancer, yes. that's new information. i think it's surprising to a lot of students on campus. however, joe paterno is 84 years old. he's been the subject of speculation and health rumors for a long time because of his age and because last season he had kind of a intestinal kind of illness and he also had some bumps with players during practice that left him with health problems. people like to talk about him. this is the first really serious allegation -- it's not an allegation but serious assertions of a health problem. >> where did the story surface? did the family release it or did the university release it? >> his son released it today and really asked that people respect his privacy. because he is going to have to go through some treatment. >> sara, appreciate it. let's bring in the legal panel. i mean, these -- just weird, first of all, the d.a. who is dead, that's the whole other bizarre story. these missing documents from second mile and even from the d.a.'s office, files that don't exist. what do you make of it? >> i draw a distinction between the two. it's very serious that second mile's documents don't exist. they're required to keep records. if they were gone just because they were chaotic and that's one thing. but if someone actively got rid of them, that's potentially another crime in and of itself. i'm less impressed or it's less significant that there is no record of a closed investigation. when i was a prosecutor, when we closed an investigation, we didn't necessarily do a memo about it. the records were kept somewhere if we subpoenaed records, but there is not a formal process for closing an investigation. particularly in a small -- >> the second mile records would be important because it would have expense reports, travel. >> one of the issues i think is really important here, do you know how many different investigations are going on now? you have the attorney general, that's the one that she brought the judges. this federal department of investigation. you have an internal penn state investigation. you now potentially have the fbi. they're all going to want to interview the same witnesses. they'll have to straighten out who does what or it's all going to get messed up. this happens a lot in big cases. >> are all -- >> it is piling -- >> do they all want in on this. >> any time you have this kind of attention and media scrutiny rg you always have everybody drawn to it like pros cue toorial moths to a flame. jeff hit it on the head. if you start interviewing these people and start getting different stories. like you've seen with mcqueary, you have an evolution of the story. you start having witnesses start to tell different stories, it's a prosecutorial nightmare. >> mcqueary in particular. >> sometimes you can interview somebody, if you interview them over and over again, that's redundant. >> and it's also painful. particularly given the accusations. even if you were telling the truth and you were a perfectly truthful witness, if you are asked five times to recount the same event, you're going to do it slightly different each time. you will then be cross-examined about why did you say this to this person and why did you say this to this person? mcqueary, remember he sent that e-mail to his friends saying he did report the rape to the police. whereas, the grand jury report says he didn't. those are already two stories out there. the more people tell the stories, the more different investigation, the harder it will be. >> mcqueary could be claiming, i don't know what he was meaning this this e-mail, but he could be claiming that one of the guys he talked to oversaw the campus police and maybe in his mind that's potentially -- >> the problem is the statements are now out there and he has to explain it. if you only have one person you're talking to, the odds of conflicting stories are much -- >> how do multiple different agencies work that out? >> who talks to them when. >> at some point somebody will bigfoot it and say this is our investigation, our prosecution. my guess is it's going to be the attorney general and they're going to say to everybody else, you have to step aside. to some degree, this ncaa investigation i understand that they want to act like they're doing something, but it's actually quite silly. in this sense. what is the ncaa going to do at this point until all of the facts are out, until we've had a hearing, until there's cross-examination in this case? i don't understand what the ncaa thinks they're doing. it's utterly ridiculous. going back to the previous point of the lack of a memo, in state court and in most d.a.'s office, they do have what's called a reject. i don't know if pennsylvania specifically this d.a.'s office does, but here in l.a., virtually every case where the d.a. gets a case for felony filing, they've got to fill out a form, they've got to say exactly why they did it and that's one of the things that goes into the file and it follows that file around. so to some degree that could be a problem later on and for the prosecutors as well. i don't understand why they wouldn't have anything, especially when you're talking about a case that's so emotionally charged, number one, and so potentially high-profile. >> good luck finding anything 13 years later. the nature of what it's like. i was in the u.s. attorney's office, we had slightly different policies. but i mean, going back to find old records in any business is difficult. but particularly you're dealing with small offices. i mean, it's just really hard to reconstruct this. >> does the announcement of joe paterno's lung cancer, does that affect anything? >> i think it's very significant. because i mean, i hope he recovers. but lung cancer in an 84-year-old is a very serious thing. >> he's not facing any other part of this investigation. >> at a minimum, he's a witness. he may not be in a position to talk to people. sorry, go ahead, mark. >> i was just going to say, my experience is, when you have somebody who has led a lifelike he has and now all of a sudden everything is crashing down around you, i've had the experience countless times where this is the worst thing that could happen to somebody and your prayers go out to the family. this is not something when you've got a mental state that is torn apart to begin with and you compound it with the healthish ice. i think to some degree, there's the story about the transer if of the house for one dollar. was that done because of a health issue as opposed to shielding assets. i hope it gives perspective to some of this. thanks for being on. let us know what you think. facebook, google plus. follow me on twitter. another coach under a cloud. there are differences, though. we're talking about what's happening allegations now have been made at syracuse university. differences between the way penn state handled it and the way syracuse is handling it. we'll show you how the differences. promises to cut the budget deficit. they promised that, remember? 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it's not new allegations? it's basically old allegations? >> exactly. but the syracuse police, now, the city of syracuse police say they've reopened the investigation. that forced the dwrufrt here to put the coach on administrative leave. we've been trying to reach them to see what caused them to reopen the investigation and bring it up again. we haven't brought up any -- >> it could be publicity. don't want to appear as if they're brushing it away. jim boeheim, what's he saying about the investigation? >> this is the interesting here. remember, sdwrim boeheim is to syracuse as what skroe joe pate in pennsylvania. this man coached here in three decades, his voice and opinion carolina carries a lot of weight here. he has the full sport of his assistant coach. he believes the charges are false. in that espn interview, they basically said that these two accusers were lying. interestingly enough, syracuse basketball team was practicing here tonight. we didn't hear from the coach but they are playing a game tomorrow afternoon. and in the media gathering after the game, we expect to hear from boeheim at that time. >> all right. ed appreciate the report. whether any of the allegation rs true, people are talking once again about child sex abuse. we saw this during the height of the pre-sex abuse scandal, people wanting to know about how abusers operate, how powerful institutions try to protect themselves. i talked about it earlier tonight. we spoke to the host of dr. drew and the man who covers college sports. >> pete, you graduated from syracuse and reported for the local newspaper. did you ever hear any whispers of these accusations against bernie fine? >> you know, anderson, the only thing i knew was that -- it was after i left my job at the post standard, i knew that espn and the post standard will looked into these allegations in 2003. and that both of them decided not to run the story. >> doctor, i want to talk about something that was said. >> when did bernie fine begin to act unlike a father figure and like something else entirely? >> i think he always tried to act like a father figure. if you try to put that in my mind, now that i look back at it, but probably when -- you know, sixth grade, 11, ten years old. he started trying to touch me and things like that. >> dr. drew, it is typical for child sex predators, if they're not the kind to grab a kid, to groom children. >> yeah. that is certainly the more common situation where these guys go through great lengths to groom them and develop relationships and build trust and then they start testing, start touching them in ways to see how the kid react. if in fact, the kids at most risk, high risk kids who have been abandoned or neglected at home or come from broken families who respond to any physical touch as a positive way. they really want that kind of touch and affection because they have not been getting it. the victimizer sees that. there's no pushing away. then they go a little further and what typically happens to the victims is they freeze. that freeze response, which is something that's typical in victims, is what gives the victimizers the opportunity to really move in. >> pete, it seems like the way syracuse university responded to the allegations is very different from the way penn state handled the allegations against sandusky. >> yeah. i think anderson, it's important to realize here that the syracuse situation are just allegations at this point. penn state there was a three-year investigation and there was a grand jury report released. so -- but yes, you're direct. jim boeheim came out very strong in defense of his long time assistant coach in this situation. it was remarkable how much he did say and what lengths he went to defend bernie. >> dr. drew, in the syracuse case, the alleged victims waited for years to come forward. in one case, the abuse continued until he was 27 careers old. is that unusual? >> it's not unusual at all for people to remain in silence and it's not -- also not unusual until others speak up that the victims begin to speak up. >> in both cases, syracuse and penn state, a lot of doubts have been raised about the cred nlt of the accusers. what would prompt somebody to lie about being sexually abused as a child. >> they're alleging in this case it's money. sometimes it will be misinterpreted as innocent contact as abuse. that happens in the world. >> pete, syracuse synonymous with college basketball, there has to be -- than this hint of a scandal would affect the program? >> sure. i'm obviously in state dlej now and have been here for a while and i've talked to our reporter, greg bishop up in syracuse today. certainly there's a -- clearly, that's the university's defining image nationally is the orange of syracuse. the university was very proactive,unlike penn state in issuing a response. they put bernie fine on administrative leave last night. nancy cantore made that decision. this morning she sent a letter to the alumni how they were reacting to things. in the wake of penn state, grave concern. >> police are looking into it. but from everything i've heard, it sounds like police looked into these allegations back in 2005 a