it's happening. get started wih fast spees and advanced security for $49.99a month for 12 monts plus ask how to get up to a $750 prepaid card with qualifying internet. tonight the republican presidential race is shaping up. donald trump is off to a big lead, and a growing list of opponents is out to stop him. we are turning to republican party chair ronald mcdaniel who's got a tough job, keep the gop united despite the controversial front-runner. >> do you have any problem with the republican party nominating someone who is under federal indictment? we will talk about trump threatening to skip the first gop debate and the message she thinks will beat joe biden in 2024. >> how do i write the ship? maybe don't go to the beach, joe. >> and later. comedy icon goldie hahn on making her own rules in both her professional and personal lives. imploding. >> i'm happy to share this with you. >> her role of a lifetime, helping children with their mental health. >> let's get it done, baby. >> it is possible that i will not see the end of the year. >> i am a little, it's just what it is. >> this is not where i thought the story was heading. good evening, and welcome back to who is talking? tonight we start with the divide inside the republican party. on capitol hill hard right members clash with moderates over a massive defense bill. along the campaign trail, the gop presidential candidates are fighting for a place on the debate stage next month. as front-runner donald trump continues to hedge on whether he will show up. tonight, we're getting answers from the woman in charge. rnc chair ronald mcdaniel. let's start with the big subject right now and that is a republican presidential debate, just a little bit a month away. you have made it clear that you want to be on the debate stage, you want to participate, you got to sign a pledge to support the eventual nominee. and it is not just donald trump who is giving you trouble on that. take a look. >> it is only in the area of donald trump that you need somebody to sign something. i think it is a bad idea. >> i won't be signing any kind of pledges and i don't think that parties should be trying to rig who should be on the debate stage. >> i don't think the pledges good, i don't think it is the right thing for the party. i think it is meaningless at this point. >> are you standing firm on this? if you want to participate in the republican presidential debate, you have to sign this loyalty pledge. >> it is the beat biden pledge and what we are saying, and the debate committee has met for over two years, people from alexa to illinois to tennessee, if you're going to stand on the republican national committee debate stage you're going to make sure that our number one priority is beating joe biden. so if you don't want to support the republican nominee, go run independent. go run for a different party. this is the republican party nomination and you should be able to support the nominee. >> are you saying even donald trump? >> everybody has to sign the pledge. everybody. it is across the board. the rules are changing. we have been very vocal with them. >> what about somebody like governor chris christie who says, i will sign it and i will take it as seriously as donald trump did in 2016? cleat is not just a pledge, not just a piece of paper. i think the debate committee, we are going to continue to meet before we get on the debate stage and they don't want somebody saying blatantly lying. you have to be willing to say i'm going to support the for the voters choose. >> former president trump has given another reason why he might skip, at least the early debates. that is. >> i like to debate. i probably am here because of debates. i don't mind it at all. but when you are 40 points up, why would i allow people with one or 2% and zero per to be having your questions all night. i don't make it is fair. cleat the front runner, who, at this point, is far ahead of the rest of the field decides to skip the debates, isn't that really going to cut into the credibility and the importance of these debates? >> i think these debates are critical. i hope he joins the debate stage. i think the voters deserve to hear from anybody running for president. i think he will be on the debate stage. i know his consultants, some of them are saying just skip it. i think anytime we can get in front of the american people is good for our party. then he skips it, that's his choice. nobody is mandated to be on the debate stage. he has skipped it before. i think he should be on the debate stage. >> mr. trump faces federal charges for mishandling top- secret classified documents and refusing to give them back to the government and there is even a tape of him showing him, certainly showing them with people without security clearances. >> let's see here. >> [ laughter ] >> isn't that amazing? just totally wins my case, you know. except it is highly confidential, secret. this was done by the military, given to me. i think we can probably -- >> we will have to see. cleat declassify, as resident i could've declassified, now i can't. >> does that tape trouble you? >> what troubles me is the double standard in justice. i think he deserves a presumption of innocence, he has not made his case, i think we need to wait and i do think as soon as trump does something it is automatically he is guilty. if biden doesn't, it is automatically he is innocent. >> there are big differences between the two. without getting about the what about is him. >> that is every game, that is the game. cleat doesn't necessarily the game. i am really asking you just about that take, he is talking about a tip, he is saying i could've declassified it as president, now i can't, he is showing it to people without a security clearance. i'm not asking you. >> i'm not that that role, i think he deserves to be able to present his case with the resumption of innocence but hillary clinton was found with 22 top-secret documents. donald trump was found with allegedly 17. why is there one standard of justice for her and different for him? please let me ask you a question. do you have any problem with the republican party nominating somebody who is under federal indictment? >> i think the presumption of innocence stands and i think there's a lot of republicans who are very troubled at the end of the day, chris, it is not up to me. it is up to the voters. they are going to make the decision, they're going to hear this and they are going to decide if this is an issue for them, november. or, the primary process. i am not seeing this right now creating an issue. >> i want to buy something you said on november 10th, 2020, which is one week after the election >> sure. >> when news outlets had all projected joe biden was the winner of the 2020 election. >> okay. we are you are. cleat has been rigged from the beginning. right from the laws that were being passed in the name of covid to create a porous election. rigged in the sense that they kicked republicans out of poll watching and observing. why do you do that if you have nothing to hide? >> when did you stop being an election tonight? >> [ laughter ] i think saying there are problems with 2020 is very real. i don't that is election tonight. chris, i am from lane county, we had a note saying i am being told to backdate ballots. we had to look into that. when you have friends that are poll watching and being kicked out, that is deeply concerning. we have every right to look at that and i think everybody should have a little more concerned about. listen. >> wait a minute, in you are saying the chair of the republican party, you still have questions as to whether or not joe biden was the duly elected president? close >> joe biden is the president. cleat you think he won the election? >> i think there were lots of problems with 2020. ultimately he won the election but ultimately he won the election but there were lots of problems with the election, hundred percent. >> that is fair. >> i don't think you wanted fair, i don't, i'm not going to say that. let's look at the hunter biden laptop, 51 people in the intelligence agency signed a letter saying there was russian disinformation. that is what the public disseminated was being told, that is not true. >> you are suggesting that he may not be the legitimate president. we the american people were not getting the information for that election. >> a few weeks after the 2020 election, just before december 14th when the formal soda nation would happen, the president and his lawyer called you to talk about organizing fake collectors, electors in states that biden won, who would vote for donald trump, if it were to get to that point in the congress on january 6th. this is the subject of a criminal investigation, and fake collectors have you been asked to speak either >> i'm not talking about anything like that. no, i'm not answering any questions. >> have you been asked, have you spoken to either the office of the special counsel, jack smith, or to his grand jury? 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>> people are hurting, they want to talk about issues that they are seeing. they are making. >> not 2020? >> i think they want to talk about the issues that they are seeing right now. i know this, i see this everyday, how much are we being hurt by inflation? the average family, what do they say, the middle class just lost 2 trillion, the average family just lost $10,000 under president biden. paying 2000 more just in energy costs. go to the grocery store. i don't know if joe biden went to the grocery store because he pent spent 40% of his presidency on vacation. >> let me just say. first of all, as somebody who covered ronald reagan for six years in the white house, no president is ever on vacation. their job travels with them and if you want to do, if we don't to do rounds of golf i think donald trump has him beat. please let me ask you this, don't you think maybe he's skip the vacation and say how do i write the ship lexi is not. maybe don't go to the beach, joe. >> i think that would've been a much better answer for donald trump to say i won in 2020. president biden has decided to lean into what was originally a republican attack on bidenomics and to say he owns it. >> he does on it. >> is that a mistake? cleat is a huge mistake let's talk about the average family, the average family made $10,000 less than the hide and was in office. 2000 more in energy costs, inflation is way up, 74% of the country thinks we are not going in the right direction. joe biden is destroying our economy and you know who is hurting? the middle class. they are hurting and he doesn't get to say to us, you know what? your life is okay, you're fine, don't worry about it. i'm doing a great job because we feel it. >> but the white house says that the economy has added 13 million jobs since he became president, inflation fell for 11 months in a row and even the flood of people crossing the border has diminished significantly. don't they have a story to sell? >> let's talk about the 13 million jobs, what a dishonest number because the entire country was jobless during the pandemic. so to take that benchmark and say you've created jobs when we all had to shut down our businesses and leave our jobs during the pandemic is a ridiculous benchmark. it is dishonest. >> republicans have their own problems on the issues. the cnn 2022 midterm exit poll, 60% of voters said abortion should be legal and most or all cases compared to 37% who said it should be illegal in most or all cases. you say republican have to talk about the dobbs decision, overturning roe v wade in strong and clear terms. but if you believe the polls, they are pretty consistent on this, politically, you are on the wrong side of the issue. >> i disagree. i think when you talk to voters and we poll them, most voters want comments and limitations. they disagree with the democrats extreme positions on abortion at nine months, eight months, laws are in place in states like california and new york. >> all right, let me ask you, is a six week abortion ban common sense? cleat is going to be different state-by-state and up to the voters of that state. but i think a common sense consensus place that a lot of us can land, wherever you are on the issue, that we are seeing in our polling, is 15 weeks, when you know a baby feels pain, that there should be protection of the unborn beyond that. and democrats will come there. ask a democrat where is your line? what is an abortion you are against? nine months? eight months? seven months? i think nine-month abortions are out of step. and due date abortions. >> six weeks is out of step? >> i think that is different. that is what the voters of florida wanted. >> i would say the majority of americans think that that's extreme. >> there are other social issues. i want to play a video that has been run by the desantis campaign that hits donald trump for being too soft on lgbtq issues. >> okay. >> here it is. >> i can't not think of anything anymore horrifying. cleat really has shut down drag. >> just produced some of the harshest most conan laws that literally threaten trans existence. >> what you think of that? cleat guess what, i'm not going to comment. this is a campaign, the rnc has to stay neutral and this is going to be up to the candidates to put forward their messaging and it is going to be up to the voters. >> are you comfortable when you're trying to get those suburban voters you talk about with a video like that? >> this is going to be up to the campaigns and the voters and the rnc has to stay neutral on this. i don't get to comment on everybody's campaign and their strategies. this is up to the voters as they make their play to win these elections. >> finally let's talk about your record at the rnc. since you became chair in 2017, republicans have lost a net of seven governorships, 19 house seats, three senate seats, and the presidency. how do you explain it? >> i view the rnc as a that is made better than it would have otherwise been. we don't do commercials for, we don't pick the candidates, the voters do. we don't pick the place, the consultants, and the pollsters do. but we are the ground team when you look at 2022, more republicans turned out, we would've won the electoral college, we were the top boat in arizona, new hampshire, and georgia. and i think that >> you lost seats in the senate. >> that is a big part of the rnc. if you are the infrastructure and rebuild the road that all the candidates drive on, in every battleground state except in sylvania, a republican got to the finish line, then the road that the rnc built, but candidates in a position to win. but we can only put candidates in a position to win, they got to get them house across the finish line you need the car in the road to get there but we also do have to recognize as a party, we can't win without ever republicans but we also need independence. our country is migrating, we are migrating to red states for the most part, we are leaving blue and purple states so blue and purple states are getting bluer and the path to the white house runs through independence. so we have to be able to attract independence, they are 42% of the country now into our party if we are going to win the senate and the president in 2024. another part of mcdaniels strategy, break with donald trump long opposition to early voting. the democrats advantage there. the rnc is now openly pushing for republicans to cast their ballots in person or by mail ahead of election day. as part of its bank your vote initiative. coming up, goldie hahn. we know her as the adorable and often ditzy comics but you are about to meet the real goldie. anxiety and all. >> i get emotional now about it because it still sits here. a it for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's designed to target and remove them and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. get back to better breathing. ask your doctor about fasenra. bug spray works best... when your family actually wears it. ♪ get odor-free eight hour protection from mosquitoes and ticks without the ick. zevo on-body repellent. people love it. bugs hate it. with your hearing, if you start having a little trouble, you're concerned that it's going to cost you money. to this day i only paid what i had to pay for the device... when i go back everything is covered. there's so much you're missing by not having hearing aids. we'll find you a hearing aid that fits your lifestyle and budget at one of our over fifteen hundred locations. call miracle ear at 1-800-miracle and schedule your free, no obligation hearing evaluation today. subway's now slicing their meats fresh. that's why subway's proffered by this champ. and this future champ. and if we proffer it, we know you'll proffer it too. he's cocky f rich, velvety coffee.. café quality espresso. one high-pressure system that can do both. brew to your heart's desire with the l'or barista system. a masterpiece in taste. subway's now slicing their meats fresh. that's why subway's proffered by this champ. and this future champ. and if we proffer it, we know you'll proffer it too. he's cocky for a nineteen year old. she danced her way into our hearts. >> that is , goldie. >> and practiced up along the way. >> excuse me? >> goldie hahn bubbly person, sets the gold standard for a generation of comedic actresses. >> i'm going. >> unlike her ditzy characters, she bought the hollywood. >> you think just because i'm a movie star i don't have feelings. >> both in her career, calling her own shots, and in her personal life alongside her long-term partner, actor kurt russell. >> forever and ever. cleat now. >> i am happy to share this with you. it is a brain break. >> she has embarked on the role of a lifetime, helping children with their mental health. >> goldie hahn, welcome, i am delighted to get to meet you. and to sit down and talk with you. >> thank you. >> i want to start with something that people don't know about you. or most people don't. in 2003, you started a classroom program called mind up to help kids dealing with stress, anxiety, depression. how does it work? >> the program basically is based in neuroscience. because one of the reasons why it is is because i asked a question, why don't we ever teach children about their brain? they learn about, mostly at this point about the emotional system of the brain. they learned about the prefrontal cortex, they learned about the amygdala. they learn about the hippocampus, where they remember. and with that, we have actually shown them these different parts of the brain actually responded during various activities. so everything that we teach them, whether it is being mindful of your senses or taking three brain brakes a day, they now can tell you, a second-grader can tell you what how it affects the brain and how it allows them to think better when they are more grounded and more relaxed and more conscious because they know the prefrontal cortex is actually the thinking brain this is where you can learn better, make your decisions, better analyze things you can actually feel better. so we give them these tools. >> that is fascinating, the idea that if you teach them about the biology, the physics, the physiology of your brain, it is going to help you deal with the emotions that you feel. >> exactly because what is happening now is that children don't know when they are stressed. now they realize that sometimes they will, to the teacher and say i think i need a brain break. they can control that. through, interestingly enough, breath and breathing changes the brain. it isn't just a fun thing to do. i mean, basically will say well, we breathe anyway. but the conscious breathing is different. and once you breathe deep you understand how to do that, then it quiets the brain. once the amygdala, which we call the barking dog in there, is that you quiet him down get him relax, in which case, the prefrontal cortex opens up, lights up, and there it goes, now i can breathe. and they know how to do that now. self-regulation. >> so mind up is taught in schools across the country and in countries around the world. this is a big deal for you. this is your life right now. mind up. cleat it is 100% my life. it is 100% in my heart and what happened after 9/11 and i thought the children were going to have some silent distress and some issues, we need to start now. and now 20 years later after this, all of the turning a blind eye on children's mental state has really grown into an epidemic. and so it is too much not to look away from. you have to come you see differences in children in the classroom and there is no way to walk away from it. so that is why i am still here, 20 years later. >> the interesting thing, one of the reasons that resonates so much with you is as a kid, you say that you suffered from anxiety and panic attacks. a lot of it based on all the talk during the cold war when you and i were kids in the 50s. about the threat of atomic bombs and nuclear attacks. >> in eighth grade and you get to go down into the visual aids, going to learn about corn in iowa or something like that. agriculture, whatever. i was so happy, we went down and the 60 millimeter starts going. what i heard then was 10, nine, eight, seven, six -- and an explosion. and now we're looking at all of the devastation, the children, blood everywhere, crying. and i started to shake. that put me in a traumatic state, realizing my mortality. and also that i might not live and that russia was going to bomb us and that we didn't have much time. and i get emotional now about it because it still sits here. >> most people, i think, will be surprised to see this is a goldie hahn who really is. most of us who saw you when you first started, you were the goofy blonde. >> have anybody seeing goldie? >> i brushed my teeth this morning. >> what you think about the fact the country seems to be moving further to the right? >> well, at least it will save flying time to europe. and now of the news of the future 20 years from now. that would be 1969, 1970, 1971. >> that is 1988, goldie. >> that is 1988, goldie. >> you are supposed to shake my head. >>, well, if i do that, you want to do this. >> [ laughter ] >> so, question, who was the real goldie? that girl, or this young woman filled with anxiety and panic attacks? >> i was still, the first happened when i became anxious and had panic attacks and didn't know what was going on with my brain, i went to a psychologist and i was with him for about eight years. i didn't leave him because i was learning so much about myself. and how to deal with success, number one, and really how to feel more comfortable in my skin. >> i guess what i'm asking is, was that, you were adorable. and you were goofy, and you were ditzy and you were utterly charming, was that all an act? >> i was full of joy, which is really why i didn't know what was wrong with my mind, because i lost my smile. okay, so that is where i was trying to recover who i really was. >> well, in 1969, you were in a movie and you play a young woman named tony who is in a relationship with walter matthau, the movie was called cactus flower. take a look. >> oh, sure, you will take me away for another fun filled weekend at a motel. >> number weekend and no more moore tells, tony, i'm going to marry you. you know, mary with a judge, the blood test, the license that kind of mary. right away. >> and you won the oscar for best supporting actress and i read recently that you always regretted the fact that you were, at that moment, in london making another film and so you missed your big night. >> i not only missed it, i forgot it was on television. i had no even belief that i would ever win. first of all, it was a comedy. it is really hard to win an academy award for a comedy. and also, for me, i thought my first movie? i mean -- come on. are you kidding me? it wasn't even possible. so i forgot about it. and i went to sleep, so i was awakened at about 3:00 in the morning or whatever and they said it goldie, you got it. i said i got what? and they said you got the academy award. i went what? so i didn't get the joy out of receiving it, but i have a lot of joy for getting it still. >> that brings us to the next chapter. in 1980, you produced a movie called private benjamin, in which you star as a rich, young woman who somehow finds herself in the army. take a look. >> i think they sent me to the wrong place. see, i did join the army but i joined a different army. i joined the one with the condos and the private rooms? >> [ laughter ] >> what? no, really. >> i don't care. i am telling you there is no other army. >> [ laughter ] >> you know what? >> it is still good. >> so how big of a deal was that? in 1980, a woman produced vehicles for herself? >> it ended up being a big deal but i didn't look at it like that. i never did. i mean, i was practically sinking, i thought why do we need, we made enough movies, we have produces there and i said why don't we just produce it? it was actually a financial idea so why do we have to pay another producer to do this when we know what we are doing? i didn't have a plan, let's put it that way. just get it done. just go in there and get it done, be practical about it, find out the right people to do it and do we really need a producer? leave a goldie, it was a big deal because this is hollywood in 1980, a town totally run by men, and suddenly the word goes out that there are three women who are calling their own shots, you, and barbra streisand and jane fonda. and that was a paradigm shift. >> it was a paradigm shift, definitely. but i guess, i guess you could say i was fearless. i was fearless when i went to new york and stood on 10th avenue with a little suitcase and no place to sleep i was 19 and i went to become a dancer on broadway. i didn't run home because i had no place to sleep. i figured it out. so my point is, when you figure it out, i wasn't afraid. i wasn't afraid to say i wanted to do something or create something. or have an idea and go pitch it somewhere. i mean, i was driven by the love of what i was doing but also by the subject matter. i am not political but i do have ideas about what matters and what i think actually could be told in a funny way, that actually could bring some light to some problems. next step, from films to family, golden ups about her decades long relationship with partner kurt russell including a first date moment that got this reaction. >> what, are you crazy? 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(announcer) change your life at golo.com. that's golo.com. subway's now slicing their meats fresh. that's why subway's proffered by this champ. and this future champ. and if we proffer it, we know you'll proffer it too. he's cocky for a nineteen year old. goldie honda booked the system not only as a producer but also as a part of a hollywood power couple. she and partner kurt russell have been together for years. but despite the romance, they have never married. we pick up our conversation at the start of their love affair. >> the 1983, you auditioned an actor named kurt russell for a movie you are producing called swingshift. is it true that on your first day, you invited kurt russell back to your home? >> yes i did. i invited him back to my home because it was being fixed up and i wanted him to see it because we actually did, he invited me out to dance because we were going to learn to do the jitterbug and all that stuff we were going to learn to dance together. i want that is going to be so fun. and so we went to the playboy club because they had a big band there then and that is when it was in westwood so we went there, we had so much fun, it was so great, oh my god, we are dancing and talking and i just liked him a lot. so we ended up, i said,,, i want to show you my house, i am redoing it. so we came there and i remember i was so excited because i just did the floors. and i brought him in, i kind of broke in the little bit. i don't forget how because it was locked. i didn't have a key or anything. and now i jumped on his back. just like a little girls do with their dads, right? and i jumped on his back and he said what was that? i said i am just so excited i was so excited. i was excited to be in my house, excited to be there. and then we went upstairs and we kissed and i showed him my bedroom. so sweet. and suddenly the police came in. [ laughter ] >> this is not where i thought the story was heading. >> i know. the police came in. and they opened the door and the two of us came down and we sat on the steps and he looks down and he said oh, goldie. yes, we got a signal that someone broke into the house and i said, well, i did. we are fine. everything is fine. and then we sat there on the stairs and they left and i said well, if we were really together, what would we do now? and i said probably go down and get some cookies and milk. and that bedroom was the bedroom we conceived our son. >> that night? >> are you crazy? no. i had to get to know him a little bit. >> okay. >> i am not that crazy. >> okay. okay. >> i like to have fun but i am not that crazy. >> a few years later you are not together and you make a movie called overboard. so the question i have, which people have been asking, for more than 40 years, we are going to get into it. why aren't the two of you married? >> why should we get married? isn't that a better question? >> well, i suppose. but why aren't you married? >> because we have been married. because when it doesn't work out it ends up to be big business. somebody has to own something, it is always ugly. somebody has to, actually take a look and say how many divorces are fun? how many divorces actually. >> none i've ever heard. >> how many divorces make you even hate the person more than you did before. how many divorces have hurt children? >> were not going to get divorced. >> how did you know that then? >> well, i suppose that is a good question. >> no one knows. >> i do want to ask two questions. is part of it making a statement that you want to show you don't play by society's rules? >> no, i've never made a statement, in my life. >> is part of it superstition that it is all going well? why rock the boat? >> that could be part of it. i think that could be part of it. our children, really, we asked them, they said no. >> you asked them whether -- >> they like it the way it is. they have been through divorce. it's not fun for them. and there is an independence that i think is interesting when two people aren't fused together. i like the idea that i can wake up in the morning and make decisions every day if i want to be here. >> sort of everyday you are making the choice, do i want to stay? >> you know, relationships are hard. they are not always easy. there is all kinds of hurdles that we go through, there are things that we believe and think that we don't believe. we agree on. so i think ultimately staying independent with independent thinking is important. so you can hold onto yourself. and you can actually have that feeling. >> for someone who has had such a great career, i was fascinated as i studied up on you, how much time you have spent away from the business in the early 90s you took four years off to help your mom, who was dying of heart disease. and then from the early 2000's on, you were, didn't do any movies for 15 years. the question i have is, what does all that say about where hollywood ranks in your life? in the scale of your priorities? >> i always thought, when i turned 50, that i was like, what else am i going to do? what else am i going to learn in life? i just want to feel right about what i do. and when you get to a certain age and a certain time in your career, sometimes it is time to start looking outward instead of always at yourself. and for me, i was asking a lot of my friends, what is the third section of our life going to look like? because i was just looking at doing something extraordinary, doing another thing, learning something else. so my philosophy is don't get stuck in what you are doing because it is not who you are, it's what you do. and this is all i think about every day. i have great children, kurt and i raised them well. we have amazing grandchildren. i now want to take my life and look at how i can help others. >> i want to ask you about that. you have had four children. what kind of a mom were you? >> i was, well, my kids will say i was firm but i did, i guess you can say, as oliver used to say, katie, we knew we were in trouble when your nostrils flared up [ laughter ] but, you see, i picked my battles. i wasn't a nagging mother. and that's what it is. i was a fun mom. and kurt was a perfect balance because he was fun, too. but he was strong. so they knew where they came from. >> i have to ask you one question about katie, kate hudson, who, obviously became a big star. at any point as she was following that path, did you ever have any qualms about her getting into what you knew, first hand, was a really rough is this? >> no, not at all. i raised her tough she was, she is nobody's fool. no was something she didn't always take. and sometimes yes is a better thing to say that i know. because when you say no to kate, she is going to be bigger and stronger. >> i read an article in variety recently where you talked about the death of the movie star. and you said that people used to be in awe and that is gone. here in hollywood. do you miss that? >> i don't know that i really meant that just about hollywood i think what i mean is that who are our heroes? what happened to them? basketball, you hear every bad thing that ever happened to anybody who gets successful. one of the things that i think we are missing is off. are, that feeling, it is such a beautiful feeling. and that is what i want our kids to be able to feel. people looking at movie stars, if that's an example, elizabeth taylor or, oh, now we are so familiar with everyone that we feel like, you know, we know them. we feel like, oh my god, there is someone so. and some people, yes. but i think awe is something we are missing in our society today. >> there is still awe about goldie hahn. you have 3 1/2 million followers on instagram, and sometimes you post videos, including some of you dancing. >> you have to dance through life. happiness is an inside job. you have to find the things that make us happy so we can consistently, deep down, go take it out. what televisions the guest night and some of our guests have in common. ch ampion your skin. make a splash with the ultimate pool party essential. blendjet gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go, so you can soak up the sun with a frosty beverage. enjoy 15+ blends before rapidly recharging via usb-c. and it even cleans itself with a drop of soap and water. stand out even when you're accidentally twinning with our kaleidoscope of colors. make this summer the coolest ever. order yours now from blendjet.com. finally, tonight, the nominees for the 70 eighth emmy awards were announced this week. and we want to congratulate some of our guests who earned themselves nominations. brian cox for succession henry winkler for barony. carol burnett for her variety show, 90 years of laughter. pot, lock sheet for top shift, and michael imperioli for the white lotus. last fall i sat down and with imperial he and we talked about his first emmy win for his memorable role as the zipper on the hit show, the sopranos. and the headshaking thing he did after he won. >> you win an emmy for your work that season, and then you throw your emmy in the garbage? >> it was more of a symbolic gesture. so we won the emmy, matteo and i want one that year and the show, for the first time, won best to show after five seasons. he did not win best show so everyone was in a good mood. and we, you know, we went to the governors ball, the hbo party, we had our own party at the hotel, wound up in someone's room at like 1:00 in the morning. my wife said to me. you know, i bet you are very proud of yourself. people congratulating you, making a big deal over you, fussing over you, kissing your . she says i'm not impressed. if you had any balls you would take that statue and throw it in the garbage. we were pretty loaded by then. by that hour. i said i don't care. and i didn't want to do that but i had to show some bravado. i said i don't care about that and i took it. like this is a, the peninsula hotel in beverly hills the trash can, so it wasn't like i went into. into a compost and stuffed it in. so i took it and put it in the garbage in the hotel room. and then we went to sleep and then we woke up i said i am ordering some breakfast. she said yeah, get me, order me something, get some coffee and she said don't forget to take your emmy out of the garbage can. we hope michael's future emmy's stay out of the trash and good luck to all of our guests at the awards ceremony on september 18th. thank you for watching, you can catch my full interviews with ronna mcdaniel and goldie hawn anytime you want on max. and please join us here on cnn every friday night to find out who's talking next.