sourc sources marianne trump is the president's older sister. there are quotes from her in the book, but it's not said how she got these quotes. mary trump recorded 15 hours worth of conversations with her aunt. many of these conversations are not reflected in the book, in the story posted on washington post.com. tonight there's an example in the lead where i talk about her speaking about her brother's immigration policies. you can hear posted himself what the president's sister is saying. it's not secondhand, it's her own words. >> tell us some of the things that you've heard on this audiotape? >> well, one example is, for example, mary trump heard that her brother, the president had said on fox news maybe he'll have to put her, meaning mary ann trump to the border because there were a lot of refugees. at the time, there were a lot of children being separated from their parents. she said, it's all about the base, all he wants to do is appeal to the base, he has no principles, and his base, i mean, my god, if you were a religious person, you would want to help people, not do this. there are a lot of quotes that are candid. as far as we can tell, she did not know she was being recorded by her niece. i reached out to her yesterday and today to let her know. i don't have a comment from her as far as i know, she also hasn't commentsed on things she was quoted as saying in the book by her niece. >> you obtained these audiotapes from the president's niece. did she tell you why she decided to make these tapes available to you? >> i had asked mary trump if she could tell us more about her allegation in the book, which is not attributed to anybody. that donald trump had s.a.t.'s taken by a friend, and that's how he got into college. we tried to track down the person that was mentioned in the book. there was a joe shapiro that donald trump had been friends with in college. that person's widow and sister said it wasn't that joe shapiro. mary said later it was a different joe shapiro. it was in response to that question she reached out and said, i'm going to show you that this was in fact marianne trump barry who said this, and some of the conversation about that is quoted in the story, some of the audio about that is quoted in the story, so you now know that's the source. it doesn't confirm that joe shapiro took these tests for president trump. it tells you where the information comings from, as a result of learning this was tape recorded, i asked if we could listen to other tapes and see other transcripts, she did provide certain things, she's out there as the story says trans parentally, she's opposing donald trump. she wants to do what she can to elect joe biden. everyone knows where she's coming from. marianne trump barry's words are what they are. people can listen to those words. >> what do we know about the relationship between the president's older sister and the president? >> well, it's really interesting. there may be nobody else on the planet who knows donald trump better than the older sister, she's nine years older than him. has been close for a lot of their lives but they've also had some disagreements. there's an anecdote alluded to in the book, marianne trump barry says that she asked her brother donald to have his lawyer, the infamous roy kohn call president reagan, she mentions 1981, ask that roy call president reagan to have marianne trump barry appointed to the federal court. according to marianne, the next day he made that recommendation to the court. ever since then the president reminds her of this. she felt that actually she deserved this on the merits, but to be sure, she did ask her brother to do this favor for her. it's the only favor she can remember asking. she's not happy about it. later on they were involved, donald and marianne and their brother who died a week ago saturday, were involved in a dispute with mary trump over inheritance of donald trump's father's estate. in any case, they've had some disagreements over that, and there was a side disagreement that's referred to here, where according to marianne trump barry, donald trump did not talk to her for two years. they had a lot of closeness, they had some disagreements and there's been questions over the years about how close they were. she was a federal judge until a year or so ago. in that position, felt she couldn't talk about the president, and she really hasn't been out there critical. for most people, the first indication she had came in mary trump's book. after that, you hear the voice. a lot more direct concerns expressed about her brother's performance as president. >> she was a highly respected federal judge until she retired. tell us a little bit more about this woman. >> well, you know, she on her own right had an extraordinary career. she was one of two women who were in the federal attorney's office when she was picked to be a federal judge. she would certainly say in the tapes that she was highly qualified and by all accounts she was, to be a federal judge. later, other people elevated her to higher positions in the federal bench, from her perspective, you know, she says in the tapes, that she's done so much on her own, but donald trump is trying to take credit for that, she did serve a very long time on the federal bench. that's a very long service. and she did retire, there was an investigation internally that was begun about -- had to do with the trump tax filing situation. it was internal when she retired that basically made that investigation moot. it ended. there were some stories about that, when that did occur. >> as far as you know, michael, and you've done a lot of investigative reporting on this, based on what we know, knew before you got ahold of these audiotapes, what kind of relationship did the president have with his older sister. >> well, the president had -- if you listen to his words he got along very well, she was highly respected. the fact is, we don't see a lot of the siblings, we didn't see the siblings out there, robert trump, i wrote his obituary. he had said in 2016 he supported his brother 1,000%, and basically, he didn't say anything other than a quote or two here or there, during the entire presidency up to his death. the only time he heard from him was when he joined with his siblings to sue mary trump to try to stop publication of her book. so there's another sibling, elizabeth. she stayed out of public eye for most of her life as far as i know. and then you have judge barry, who is the most prominent figure as a judge, but she had her own reasons for not speaking publicly. unlike other presidential families, you haven't seen them interacting with their families. for whatever reason, we haven't seen that. with this family, we haven't seen the siblings come out there, we have the president's daughter in the white house and son in law in the white house, that's prominent. you have his children, donald jr. and eric and so forth, you have them, but the siblings for whatever reason just haven't said much over the years. >> i'll read that quote in your article in the washington post. direct quote from marianne trump barry, the retired federal judge, when she learned that the president was trying to separate children from their parents along the border in cramped quarters, she says, all he wants to do is emile to his base, he has no principles, none, none. and his base, i mean, my god, if you were a religious person you would want to help people, not do this. that's such a powerful statement, did you get any reaction michael from the white house? >> no, i emailed and called, i have heard nothing from the white house at all. i don't know why that is, i can't speak for them. these are tapes that the president's sister, you can't really -- unless you're going to say, that they're not real, what can you say. these are words that the president's sister said, i'll be interested if they do say something, we can update our story to reflect that, more than a day before this is published. i reached out again this morning in a phone call. i haven't heard back. >> i'm sure you will be hearing fairly soon. i'm sure the white house will be reacting at some point. anything else you want to share with our viewers before i let you go? >> well, it's just that they heard about mary trump's book, i've read it, i've written about her, this is a really interesting family, i first wrote about them in the biography that the post did, you think all these years later we heard everything we could possibly learn about donald trump and his family. the family a lot of them just didn't talk for years, that was the ethos within the trump family. what we saw when mary trump wrote her book is the dam breaking a little bit. here we have marianne trump barry the sister saying something, not realizing she was being recorded. i don't know if there are others out there that have viewpoints. others may say, what's the relevance here. his sister knows him as well as anybody. she's been around his entire life. that's the person you would normally bring forward to present on your behalf, and here it's very unusual you get these candid assessments, these tapings took place in 2018 and 2019. she said a number of those things over months that are very strike willing. and your viewers can go to the website and listen to some of the excerpts of the audio posted. it's not just what i'm saying or how it's presented in the book, you can listen to the audio yourself. >> mary trump, the president's niece who wrote this best selling book, she's 55 years old, she recorded how many hours of audiotapes with the president's older sister who's 83? >> 15 hours, that's a lot of tapes. doesn't mean they're not all about donald trump. that's what i was told. 15 hours worth, there's more material for sure, there's more material that i've heard. this is what we presented and really does give you an insight into the relationship first of all between the president and his sister. and also because she was a federal judge. she's well informed about the issues of the day. on the immigration case that you mentioned. she wondered whether there was this question about whether she had read that president trump had read her court decisions on immigration. there's a court case for example i linked to in which she had berated a federal judge for not treating an asylum applicant respectfully. at that point mary trump asks about this, and basically, marianne trump barry says, well, he doesn't read. not just her decisions, but apparently books. later on she refers to the fact that the president called and that asked her was she watching fox news. she said no. and he said, well, what do you do? she said, i read books. so and -- the implication being that he doesn't. but it's all, that's all laid out there in the story as well. >> yeah, the story -- she lamented -- and i'm quoting now from your article, michael, she -- the retired judge, the president's older sister lamented at what they're doing with kids at the border, and she guessed that her brother hasn't read my immigration opinions and court cases and i'm giving a quote from kwaur article, his tweet and lying, i'm talking to freely, but the change of storiesp p the lack of preparation. the lying. and then she says, holy shit. it's a very dramatic account. michael crenish is the investigative reporter for the washington post. appreciate you joining us, thanks so much, michael. >> thanks for having me. condition krng and the washington post have reached out for a response. until now, we have received no response, at least not yet, i'm joined by jeremy diamond. our political commentator, ana navarro. and our chief media correspondent brian stelter. jeremy, you're at the white house right now, i assume you've tried to get some reaction, have you gotten any? >> no, we have not gotten a reaction from the white house about this. michael didn't either, for his story. if something comes out, i'll share it with you immediately. what's most remarkable about this, is the moment in time where this is happening, i think you have to keep that in mind as we await what kind of reaction we'll see from the president himself. the president just lost his brother a week ago, he held a funeral service for him at the white house just yesterday. it comes at a time when democrats and republicans are talking about the character of this president. and trying to define his character ahead of his very crucial 2020 presidential election. over the last week, we have heard from democrats as they made their case against the president. a case focused not so much on policy, but so much more on the personality of donald trump. and on his fitness to serve as president. you heard damning democratials over this entire week, that line up quite closely to what you hear from the president's sister in this conversation that she had with her niece, in which she was secretly recorded. talking about the president being someone who is cruel. he doesn't adhere to the facts. it comes just before the president is going to make his own case to the american people this coming week, where republicans will try to present a very different narrative, of course of this president. we know that one of the key issues at stake here is the issue of empathy. joe biden versus donald trump. certainly over the last week, joe biden tried to show that empathy. and others tried to provide these character testimonials of who joe biden is. and certainly, that is at odds here with not only what mary ann trump barry is saying, but what so many others have said about the character of donald trump. >> so many revelations coming on the eve of the convention. ron brownstein, it's an amazing story, and the timing is extraordinary as well, what do you think? >> the timing really fits in with what we are seeing. you have to see this in the context of everything else that has happened in the last few days. we had john kasich speak at the democratic convention. cindy mccain, the widow of another republican presidential nominee, narrate a video, 73 former senior republican national security officials today, taking out a full page ad, including former heads of the cia and fbi for republican presidents saying donald trump is unfit to be president. miles taylor, the chief of staff of the dhs who briefed the president in the oval office saying he is unfit. it fits in that portrait, and it is probably -- all of this is one of the reasons why the president is facing historic deficits among well educated white voters, on the other hand, i think it's clear that there's a core of blue collar whites who are not interested in assessments of donald trump's character, and that is his irreducible base, and democrats still have to worry about gets past those voters, that coalition in some of the critical rust belt states. >> ana navarro, you've read the article, you heard michael give us the highlights of that article, what do you think? >> it's a bombshell, it's a bombshell, look. when mary trump wrote her book, she said horrible things, damning things about her uncle's character or lack thereof. they said, she's a disgruntled niece who has an issue because she feels stiffed by the inheritance issue. and she is estranged from the family, and she doesn't know. she doesn't know this, the trump family. we've barely seen her. he came close to calling her a coffee boy, which is what he does with everybody around his circle who gets indicted. he can't say that about his sister. the sister that he has mentioned before. he can't say she is estranged from the family. he can't say she doesn't know me. it is a bombshell because this affirms, this proves everything that mary trump wrote in her book. mary trump brought the receipts, and they weren't just paper receipts, they are on tape, we can hear in the voice. so it becomes that much more difficult to deny or to refute -- i suspect they're going to say, she's 83 years old, she got taken advantage of by a niece. what is he going to say, she was a federal judge until recently. they have no argument. it's not about policy difference, he has said they don't think the same, he has said that in the past. but she calls him cruel. she calls him a liar. she talks about their childhood and his character the entire lifetime. and there's 14 hours and 45 minutes left that i suspect are going to drop a bit at a time. and look, it's not going to change the minds of anyone in his base. nothing's going to change their minds. nothing. but what we saw in the democratic convention. is that joe biden is appealing to republicans like me. disenfranchised republicans. if you need a little more recent if you need one more reason of why he is unfit and doesn't have the character. the fitness or the moral compass to be president. you can hear it, you don't even have to read it, just play it in your car. book on tape. >> it's an amazing story. jeremy diamond, i understand we just got a statement in, tell us about that. >> we have a statement out from a spokesperson for mary trump, the president's niece who wrote this book about her uncle and who also secretly recorded these conversations with the president's sister. mary realized members of her family had lied in prior depositions anticipating litigation, she felt it prudent to tape conversations in order to protect herself. she never expected to learn much of what she heard, including the president's sister federal judge marianne trump barry state that donald trump had paid someone to take an s.a.t. exam for him. those with questions about who joe shapiro is. who is the person mary trump alleges took this test for donald trump. is why the president chose him to take his s.a.t., and why such behavior was con stan thely rewarded. should contact judge trump barry and president trump. putting the onus on them to prove who joe shapiro is. his widow denied he had taken an s.a.t. exam for the president. the final part of the statement is several prominent individuals are currently facing prison sentences for taking unethical steps for getting their children into college. all while the president of the united states paid himself for taking the s.a.t.'s. they're not clarifying the president had someone take his s.a.t.'s for him so he could transfer from fordham to the universities of pennsylvania. the widow of at least one joe shapiro has also denied that her 4us, who is now deceased took those tests. >> i'm anxious to get brian stelter's re, as to these dramatic revelations coming out. he has a brand new book coming out this week, he tells the behind the scenes of president trump and fox news. what's the reaction when you hear this news, brian. >> yes, and some of these clips you hear mary and marianne talking about the media, his obsession with tv. the quotes that the president doesn't read. overall, wolf, i'm thinking about this and this is shocking material from the president's sister, it's also sad, it's sad to see a family torn apart like this. it is sad to see a family so broken. i know the trump years have broken many families. there are many democrats and republicans that don't want to see each other for family holidays. it's even more sad it broke the trump family. it's not just mary against the president, it's apparently his own sister who calls him a man who is a liar, who is she's basically saying he's not fit for office. she's calling him a phony, saying he's a liar who doesn't read. who doesn't know right from wrong. we've never heard that from her in public, but we're hearing it for the first time in private. the contrast to the democratic convention where it was all about featuring biden's family. this is the most stark contrast, and i don't think that's an accident. mary trump's book came out a few weeks ago, and she's choosing now to release these audiotapes. i was just texting with one of my brothers, and trying to think to myself, what would it be like if your own sibling came out and said, he has no principles and you can't trust him? it's a broken family and that's very sad. >> the exact quote in the article. this is from marianne trump barry, the president's older sister. all he wants to do is appeal to his base, he has no principles, none. and his base -- i mean, my god, if you were a religious person, you would want to help people, not do this. i want everyone to stand by, we're going to stay on top of the breaking news. much more after a quick break. a, with speeds up to 25 times today's 4g networks. its massive capacity and ultra-low lag time is already available in parts of select cities around the country. which means businesses both large and small can innovate like never before. but unknowns bring opportunity, too. like the chance to find new ways of doing business. we can help you set up an online store, with pickup, delivery, or shipping. and touch-free ways to take payments, too. we have all these tools, ready for when you need them. so even though we can't predict the future, we can help you be ready for whatever's next. see everything we can do at square.com. we're following the breaking news here in the situation room, the washington post reporting that the president's older sister, marianne trump barry a retired federal judge, 83 years old was secretly recorded by her niece saying that the president trump according to marianne trump barry has no principles and you can't trust him. that's very strong words, let's bring back jeremy diamond, there you see the book cover, it comes out formally this week, it's already selling. >> brian, in your book, hoax you tell the behind the scenes story of the relationship the president has with fox news, and you have some major headlines, including reporting that sean hannity of fox news has privately referred to the president on multiple occasions saying the president is crazy. sean hannity is perhaps the president's top supporter in the media. with what we're learning tonight about what the older sister is saying about the president, disparaging remarks in the washington post, what do you make of all this? >> i was struck by this hypocrisy that i learned about. in the course of my reporting in this book. i talked to hundreds of people in and around fox news. even stars like sean hannity, and executives at the network, they have critical things to say about trump in private. there's a lot of hypocrisy here, because they won't say it publicly. trump is not well, trump is a run on sentence, i can't get a word in. they say, we wish he would stopwatching so much tv. which is ironic given that they run a television knelt work, those are the sentiments i heard from very well placed sources right at the heart of fox news, i think it speaks to this syndrome that we've seen in the gop as well, inside the republican party, an unwillingness to hold the president accountable. when your friend calls you out, when you screw up at something. when your mom, dad or loved one says, you know, you really messed up today, you really made a mistake, you hurt us today, that helps you, it makes you stronger, it makes you better. i think that's what's lacking from the fox and the gop and the trump years. does the president have people around him who can tell him the truth, who can level with him, when he screwed up at something. who can tell him when he's going down a dangerous, racist dark path. it doesn't seem like he has those people around him. if we hear from marianne trump, i hope we do. i hope she'll comment on this washington post bombshell, which is right there on the front page of tomorrow morning's paper, i hope she'll talk more about her relationship with the president. it's friends, family, loved ones who can steer the president in a safer, smarter direction. we've seen the opposite. we've seen hannity, his shadow chief of staff, who feeds the president what he wants to hear and not what he needs to hear. and i think that's been a theme of the last 3 1/2 years. >> it's interesting, and the book is amazing, i have to tell you, ana, another quote. >> thank you very much, i appreciate it. >> mary aanne trump barry, in t washington post she's reported saying, "it's the phoniness of it all, it's the phoniness and this cruelty, donald is cruel." >> that's from the president's older sister, ana. >> listen, that word describing your sibling as cruel is something i think unimaginable for most of us. and it rings true, right? we've seen him act cruel, we've seen him say horrible things about black athletes and, you know, we've seen his lack of empathy, this is -- she's just saying this from a very personal perspective, familial perspective, and knowing him his entire life. i hope the biden campaign -- i hope someone in a biden super pac or the -- i hope someone takes these excerpts and turns them into a campaign ad. there is something incredibly powerful about her own voice describing her brother in those terms. as cruel and phony and a liar. think so many of us have thought. but to hear his sister say it, his older sister say it, it's just jaw dropping. i'm glad i'm not getting invited to that family thanksgiving. >> i understand the white house, the president has issued a statement reacting to this bombshell, what do we know. >> this is a statement from the president himself, and based on how it's worded, you can tell this is the president dictating this statement himself as he often does on matters like this. the president saying in a statement, every day it's something else, who cares? i miss my brother and i'll continue to work hard for the american people, not everyone agrees, but the results are obvious, our country will soon be stronger than ever before. the president there really only indirectly responding to this bombshell audio here. that was a recording of his sister criticizing him as cruel, criticizing him as someone who is a liar, and a phony, and who does not read. the president again not responding directly to his sister, noting the recent death of his brother for whom he had a funeral service at the white house just yesterday. and essentially saying, who cares as it relates to this overall story. not clear if he's saying who cares about his sister's comments or perhaps just the fact that this is yet again another story, in which the president is being criticized here. this is a different circumstance. in this case, his sister has been alive for all of donald trump's 74 years on this earth, and who knows him quite well, and is criticizing him here, in personal terms and in terms that reflect the criticism we have heard from so many others who have, woulded or been alongside the president. >> you're absolutely right. ron brownstein. give us your reaction to the statement we got from the president, about his sister saying secretly recorded about him. how it's going to play out politically. monday the republican national convention begins. >> look, throughout his presidency, there have been a majority of americans who doe not believe he is fit to be president, by values, by quality fivgss, by experience. and we have heard that, as i said before, echoed this week, from extraordinary sources, a former republican presidential candidate, now his own family, 73 senior national republican security officials, his own cheech of staff of the department of homeland security. all sending the message they do not believe he is fit for that. there is a cost for that. there is a reason donald trump is at risk of losing white educated voters by a large majority. there's somewhere north of 40% of the country cen toured among evangelical whites who don't believe it or don't care. donald trump is a means, not an end. he is their expression of their discontent with the way america is changing. he presents himself as their last line of defense against a changing america. and it almost. when he said i could shoot 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that statement just released moments ago by the white house from president donald trump. once again, we're back with jeremy diamond. brian stelter, i'll mejs the author of a brand new book called hoax. when you hear this statement, brian, from the president reacting to this bombshell of an article, what do you think. >> the key words are, who cares. a lot of people care, it's on the top page of the washington post home page, it's going to be a very big story for the morning as well as this evening. who cares. the president often reacts with that simple one liner, dismissiveness. many people do care. i think about the trump narrative that's been presented by his allies. he's a family man, in the coming days, all of his children, his family members will be there speaking. of course not the members of the family that we're talking about right now. his children will be on stage, his wife will be on -- we don't know all the details yet of the convention, we know that family is going to be a big theme, and what these tapes do is blow a big hole in the republican national convention theme. it's about more than that. it's a president who is isolated and alone. i know you've heard that a lot, we've all heard that for a lot the past three and a half years. the president is stewing, angry, miserable. there's been these reports for three 1/2 years. it's a lot more true on a night like this, his brother has just died. he's just had a funeral service for his brother, and now there are these secret recordings of his sister being critical of him, calling him a phony, saying he's basically a fake and you cannot trust him. i think it speaks to the isolation of the president that is very rare. i think we can ask ron brown. to have a president isolated in this way is very rare. >> it certainly is. but ron, what do you think? >> one thing that's striking, and i think pertinent in her commentary. he governs only for his base, in terms of his isolation, from the beginning, he saw himself as the president of red america, and at war with blue america. we've seen the country grow more divided at the end of each presidency since the '90s, whether it was clinton, w. bush or obama. trump was different. trump was different than any president we've had, in that he leans into the division. it's a conscious vision of how he wins is to exacerbate the american division. and the risk politically is that he is playing on the short side of the field, as we talked about, he is appealing to somewhere between 40 and 45% of the country. most of the groups in society that are growing are consolidating against him, and against the republican party with potentially very serious consequences down ballot as well. but the other side of it, the implication of what she is saying, is that that base views him as their warrior, and it is very hard to get to a point that you can imagine will dislodge many of them from him. and so that is the reality that we're in, he's deepening the divisions between what america has been and what it is becoming, and we're in for a rocky few months as we hit the battle of the bulge between those two different coalitions. >> it's interesting that the audiotapes were secretly recorded by the president's 55-year-old niece, mary trump. and a spokesman for mary trump issued this statement, why she did what she did, in secretly recording these conversations with her aunt, the retired federal judge, the president's older sister. i'm going to read it once again and get your reaction. this is from a spokesperson for mary trump. mary realized members of her family had lied in prior depositions. anticipation litigation, she felt it prune the to tape conversations in order to protect herself. she never expected to learn much of what she heard, including the president's sister, federal judge state that donald trump had paid someone to take an s.a.t. exam for him. those with questions about who joe shapiro is, why the president chose him to take his s.a.t. and why such behavior was con stan thely rewarded should contact judge trump barry and president trump. several prominent individuals are currently facing prison sentences for taking unethical steps to get their children into college, all while the president of the united states paid someone else to take his s.a.t.'s. what do you think of that explanation from the president's niece, mary trump? >> she was writing a book, she was going to make controversial affirmations in that book, and she was going to be challenged and told it was a lie, so she had backup, she figured out this is the way i can back up what i am saying. i don't like it, i don't think any of us would like the invasion of privacy of being recorded in a private conversation with a relative, with a niece. but it is what it is. and, you know -- and obviously, this is a very dysfunctional family, and it captures the truth. i also -- i got to tell you, that donald trump statement that response by donald trump, i don't buy that it was a candid donald trump. when he says who cares? he cares. he cares. he has proven time and again to be one of the most thin skinned adult men who behaves like a 2-year-old having a tantrum any time -- and i apologize to 2-year-olds, any time anybody makes any sort of attack or criticism of him. i mean, he goes after john mccain even after john mccain is dead, because john mccain confronted him. he goes after lebron james, don lemon, he will come after anybody who issues any sort of attack. now imagine hearing that his niece recorded his sister saying he is a cruel lying phony, ignorant who doesn't read. you're going to tell me who cares? the guy who watches and spends all his time watching tv, you think he doesn't care that we're playing this on a loop, and we're going to be talking about it, and so are so many other people. i don't buy it for a minute. he cares and so should others. >> jeremy diamond, you cover the white house for us, tell us what he's been doing this weekend getting ready for the republican national convention is it. >> there's no question the president is focused on the optics of this coming week. he's been watching the democratic national convention, phoning aides to say i like this, i don't like that. now he's going to be more focused on the optics and the messaging coming from his family, and certainly he will have aan opportunity for that rebuttal in the form of all of his children who are expected to speak at different points during the republican national convention. and it is true that all of the president's adult children have come out in the past, and said nice things about him have publicly praised him. certainly the president seems to have a good relationship with his children if not his siblings and extended family. or at least one sibling in this case. one of the things that's most remarkable about this, and it would be -- it's remarkable in any case, for any president to have a sister who is going to go after them like this, it is remarkable how unsurprising this is, in the sense that so many other people who have worked or lived with the president have described him in similar terms. >> in that video, we saw the president playing golf earlier today. 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in the history of the united states who have actually run for president. >> carly fiorina. >> we all knew what was going on. >> kamala harris is joe biden's running mate. >> the first black woman in the united states senate. >> i'm going to be very candid, i don't think i've ever said this publicly. >> a lot of black feminists, myself include are very bitter about this suffrage anniversary. >> the history for black women is one of perseverance and diligence, but also deep racial oppression. >> typically we think that history is what happened. history is not what happened, history is who tells the story. >> so wolf it's a fascinating journey into women's rights in america. and the unfinished business that is still standing in the way of true gender equality in our own country. we hope that you and all your viewers will join us tonight for that conversation. >> we certainly will, erin. thank you so much. you can catch the special report, women represented, coming up next. i'm wolf blitzer here in washington, i'll be back tomorrow for another special edition of the situation room starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern. before we go, i want to take a moment to honor some of the truly wonderful people who have lost their lives to the coronavirus. anthony munoz was just 55 years old. he was hospitalized twice from covid-19. his wife susan says his laugh was so loud it would fill an entire room. married for 30 years. he says tony showed her love every single day. together they have five children who susan says tony would call every day to tell them to be brilliant. tony munoz passed away on monday. benita long was on the front lines of this pandemic, she was an emergency department nurse in alabama who died from coronavirus complications on thursday. the hospital where she works remembers her as a nurse who made a difference in the lives of so many people. she leaves behind a husband and two children. she was 63 years old. may they rest in peace. and may their memories be a blessing. the following is a cnn special report. ♪ >> my body, my choice. >> what is amazing to me is, how much progress women have made despite trying to fit into a system that wasn't ever built to have us. >> we've come quite a long way. but we're 208 years away from gender equality in our own country. wow! >> we've got to finish the business that was not finished 100 years ago.

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