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CNNW The Situation Room January 30, 2015

We are now learning how the gunman at the paris kosher supermarket took what are called go pro video of his deadly assault with a camera attached to his body. There is new information about what he did then with those images. Isis launching a sudden and bloody attack on a major city. Gunfire echoing through the oil center of kirkuk as Security Forces try to drive the terrorists out. The Ranking Member of the House Armed Services committee, congressman adam smith, is standing by along with our correspondents and analysts. Lets begin with our chief National Security correspondent, jim sciutto, and our cnn terrorism analyst, paul cruickshank. Paul first of all, what do we know about the video . We know the video was seven minutes long its being seen by investigators and features Amedy Coulibaly shooting dead three hostages as he stormed that Grocery Store, that jewish Grocery Store in paris earlier this month. According to the Technical Analysis of the french it was emailed from a computer in that store to some form of associate of coulibaly and the fear is that this is now going to hit the jihadi web sites, its going to be put out by a group like isis for propaganda purposes. How significant would this be, jim . Its news u. S. Intelligence also aware of this video coulibaly had a camera and filmed the attacks. How significant is it . It would provide really a minute by minute reel in effect of the moments of the attack as he went in there and sadly, as he carried out killings of those hostages. The fact is at this point, many of those details are already known. I think the bigger concern at this point would be the propaganda value of this attack as it goes out presumably it does go out, which would have been his intention as a recruiting tool but a demonstration of his powers. As you know this is isis supreme focus, demonstrating that power as best they can. And paul that go pro video camera that was attached right to his chest, right . Reporter it was attached to his torso so he was deliberately filming this. According to eyewitnesses he was even doing some Video Editing during this hostage situation in this jewish Grocery Store in paris before he was killed. The concern is he managed to send it out to some kind of associate. He had actually already previously sent out some video to another associate featuring him declaring loyalty to Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi filmed from an apartment in paris just after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. The worry is theres much more gruesome video that will hit jihadi web sites, perhaps proisis twitter feeds, soon. I guess the question is why hasnt it hit those websites yet . Its been awhile right . A similar question as to why havent you seen word of this jordanian pilot hostage. Sometimes this group takes their time. They have to produce it. They also have increasing challenge in getting this video out of there because its difficult to transmit in a war environment. Youve got u. S. Planes overhead et cetera. Thats also a problem. Do they have a clue who the accomplices were that might have been on the receiving end of the go pro video . Reporter i think they probably know but they are not revealing that yet at this point. They are investigating all of this. Of course we do know that hayat boumeddiene, his companion, is now suspected to be in syria so that raises the possibility was he emailing her. Thats a possibility. Let me turn to iraq right now. Jim, there is now word isis launching its own offensive against the kurdish oilrich town of kirkuk in northern iraq. Thats right. Coordinated attack. It was a surprise attack. It took advantage of a foggy morning as they moved in. It shows the level of coordination possible and skill of isis and also to project its power on multiple fronts at one time. You have this jordanian pilot being held hostage presumably in syria, in areas that isis controls in syria. Here you have a coordinated aggressive bold assault in iraq even as isis has been under pressure there. The kurds as you know have been pushing up against mosul which is really isis main strong hold iraqs second largest city trying to cut off supply lines there. Now you have them doing an endaround you might say, attacking another powerful city in the north and inflicting serious damage. A senior kurdish commander killed right in the center of town. This was a big deal and it shows their ability to project power on multiple fronts at the same time. Certainly and further complicating all of this horrible situation in iraq right now, there are these reports of a massacre that occurred that a Shiite Militia group, iraqi Shiite Militia group, went and massacred iraqi sunnis killing 60 or 70 people including kids and women no women, but children and the shock is they did this while Iraqi Military forces were there surrounding all of them. The Iraqi Military stood by and didnt intervene. This is an alarming accusation. I have spoken to the state department. They say an investigation is still under way. They also say the new Prime Minister of iraq he has said all the right things and promised to do the right things in terms of reining in Shiite Militia. This has been a long term problem in iraq, particularly under the previous minister the Shiite Militias were given free rein and many times they committed atrocities which helped fuel support among sunni tribes for isis as it advanced across the country. A key element of fighting back against isis has been getting sunni tribes on the side of the Iraqi Government iraqi Security Forces and the coalition. An attack like this if it proves true would go a long way in undermining that confidence. Serious allegation. It would so inflame the passion, the anger which is already enormous to begin with and the split between shiites and sunnis it would be a disaster. Inflame the passion and also increase the support for people like isis. And raise questions about that Iraqi Military. Is it doing what its supposed to do. Why didnt they intervene and stop what allegedly was a massacre. Stand by. More on this part of the story coming up. Meanwhile, the surprise attack by isis comes as a prisoner swap has stalled. Jordan has been willing to trade a jailed female terrorist for one of its pilots captured in syria but without proof of life the exchange has been on hold. The fate of the pilot and japanese hostage unclear. So why is isis so interested in gaining the release of this failed suicide bomber . Brian todd is looking into this part of the story. What are you finding out . Reporter one analyst says for the past several years, hardly anyone in jordan or iraq has paid any attention to this woman and quote, even her own tribe didnt care about her. Tonight, Sajida Al Rishawi is one of the most important people in the world with isis a key bargaining chip. What one isis supporter calls an imprisoned sister. Tonight, this woman, seen in a suicide vest is at the center of intense negotiations between isis and one of americas closest allies. This female suicide bomber becomes something that has generally captured the imagination when we talk about her in the media. There is this shock and awe. Reporter the terror group wants jordan to exchange Sajida Al Rishawi for this japanese hostage. Jordan is looking for a deal. They want their pilot back who was recently captured by isis. A mideast official tells cnn isis is engaging in psychological warfare and it swirls around this woman who, until this moment had been largely forgotten for nine years. Languishing in a jordanian prison. November 2005 Sajida Al Rishawi and her husband are part of a band of suicide bombers who attacked three hotels in jordan. By all accounts al rishawi had little or no romantic connection to her husband. They had married just days before to make it easier for them to get into jordan from iraq and sneak into a wedding celebration in oman. In a televised confession al rishawi described the mission. Translator my husband took a porter and i took another one. There was a wedding in the hotel. There was women and children. My husband executed and detonated his belt. I tried to detonate mine but i failed. Reporter al rishawi ran from the scene and was later captured. Her husband and their cohorts killed nearly 60 people in three locations. Sajida al rishawi had reportedly been motivated purely by revenge. We do know that one of her eldest brothers was very close to an al qaeda commander and was given charge of some part of the region and that her first husband was also a part of al qaeda and two other brothers were killed all killed by americans in the operations in iraq. Reporter one of the brothers who was killed was a top lieutenant to the murderous leader of al qaeda in iraq. Analysts say that brother could have been close to al baghdadi the current leader of isis. With its deep and personal connection to Sajida Al Rishawi, what would isis do with her if shes brought back into the fold . She is probably not a great jihadi operative. I dont think they need her as a leader. There is no evidence that she has leadership qualities. What she is is a propaganda piece. What she is is someone you put in front of the camera and she says the right things and she praises isis for even nine years later, never forgetting about her. Matthew levitt says al rishawi has achieved something for isis that its really never had, something its desperately craved equal footing in negotiations with a top u. S. Ally. She gives isis at least the appearance of some legitimacy as a state even if only temporarily. An extraordinary situation right now playing out as we speak. Heres the question. If she is released by jordan in exchange for the pilot, and say maybe the japanese journalist could she conceivably become a suicide bomber . Analysts we spoke to say its possible but right now its unlikely. Isis has not really used women as suicide bombers, has not even placed them on the front lines of combat. Whats interesting is the predecessor of Isis Al Qaeda in iraq didnt hesitate to use women as suicide bombers. Used several of them. The very day this woman and her husband launched those attacks in jordan another woman was sent a blond, blueeyed belgian, blew herself up and killed three u. S. Soldiers the same day this woman and her husband were launching attacks in jordan. Thanks very much brian todd. Lets go in depth on all of this and more. Joining us the Ranking Member of the House Armed Services committee and the democratic congressman, adam smith of washington state. Congressman, thanks so much for joining us. We have lots to discuss. Lets go through several issues. First of all, this apparently new isis strategy trying to move into the oilrich kurdish town of kirkuk in northern iraq. Whats going on here . Its part of an ongoing battle. They are fighting against the kurds, trying to control mosul and they are trying to open a new front. The most troubling thing in your report there is the continuing inability of the Iraqi Government to get a true power sharing arrangement between the shia and the sunni so the Iraqi Military can become a more effective force. The kurds are fighting and fighting well but they are simply not large enough if they dont have the iraqi Security Forces fully on their side. We are not there yet. I think isis senses a vulnerability. Obviously kirkuk is oil rich a place they would love to control. They already control mosul, the second largest city in iraq. The iraqi army abandoned their positions, ran away when the isis forces came in. I spoke earlier today with your democratic colleague, adam schiff of california the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee. He seemed pretty alarmed by these reports of a massacre. Some iraqi Shiite Militia went into some sunni town massacred 60 people if not more. While Iraqi Military forces were standing by watching what was going on. Have you heard about this . I have only heard what has been reported. I have not heard anything beyond that. If its true it is a major, major problem and points back to the fact the Iraqi Government simply hasnt made the changes necessary. Even after malaki has left they have not made changes that would bring the sunnis across and get a new power sharing arrangement. If we are stuck with a civil war, thats exactly what isis wants. How does all of this relate to mosul . Would you recommend putting more u. S. Military advisors near the front line . Because supposedly the Iraqi Military backed by the kurds, ready to launch some sort of offensive to try to retake that city. I think we still have to continue to help them train them and provide the air support that we have provided. I think its just too important. We cannot allow a group like isis to control uncontested large swaths of territory. We have already seen that they will launch attacks against western targets. They will launch attacks in europe and try to launch them in the u. S. We need partners there locally who can fight them. The kurds have done a pretty good job. We just need the iraqis to step up and do a better job. You think this new Prime Minister is doing the job . Are you confident hes going to be much of an improvement . Not yet. I am not confident. The problems run deeper than one person. From what i have seen i think he would like to try to make some of those changes but he still has a lot of people to answer to within the broader Iraqi Government who dont seem willing to make the changes. Stand by congressman. We have a lot more to discuss, including the latest on a potential swap for that terrorist, that woman terrorist in jordan in exchange for that jordanian Fighter Pilot, maybe the japanese journalist held by isis. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare . Thats a good thing, but it doesnt cover everything. Only about 80 of your part b medical expenses. 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Theyve got a slogan that says god is great, death to america, death to israel a curse on the jews victory to islam. Heres the question. Is this a group the u. S. Could be dealing with in order to continue launching drone strikes against al qaeda targets elsewhere in yemen . That would be extraordinarily difficult. It is a confusing, confusing mess over there, obviously, because on the one hand you just described a group that we are diametrically opposed to. A good explanation of irans influence throughout that region. On the other hand they are opposed to al qaeda. Al qaeda has a presence in yemen and is trying to launch attacks and we had been working with the houthi government there to try and contain that. Now we dont have a partner. Its an extremely problematic situation. I dont imagine that we are going to be able to develop a partnership with the houthi in yemen. That leaves us very vulnerable. Does that mean that al qaeda, the arabian peninsula, aqap in yemen which is probably the most serious al qaeda threat out there right now, is going to only get stronger . At this point, that would appear to be the most likely outcome. But how do the houthi handle the presence of aqap .

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