Transcripts For CNNW The Situation Room 20150102 : compareme

Transcripts For CNNW The Situation Room 20150102

We are following two major breaking stories. Despite rough seas and dangerous weather conditions searchers now have recovered 30 bodies from the wreckage of that airasia jet that crashed. Crews also discovered more parts of the airliner including what appears to be one of the window panels. However, whats become of the black boxes, that is still a mystery. Also breaking president obama is punishing north korea including top individuals in kim jonguns government for the cyber attack on Sony Pictures. We have correspondents and analysts standing by. Here in the situation room and around the globe. Lets begin now with cnns senior white house correspondent, jim acosta whos traveling with the president in hawaii. Tell us about these sanctions and just how much of an impact theyll have. Reporter brianna, taking care of a serious piece of business at the end of his vacation here in hawaii president obama is turning up the heat on north korea in response to the cyber attack on sony. The Obama Administration maintains north korea was behind that attack and Officials Say the sanctions announced today are only the beginning. Happy new year. Reporter the new sanctions ordered by president obama are being dubbed by the white house as broad and powerful and only the new response to the new alleged attack on Sony Pictures. Senior administration Officials Say theyre aimed at any and all officials of the north korean regime. Specifically blocked from any dealings with any American Financial firms, rgb and its primary arms dealer. The executive order adds to sanctions already in place and is not targeted at the people of north korea. But rather is aimed at the government of north korea and its activities that threaten the United States and others. The president vowed to hold pyongyang responsible just before leaving for his annual vacation in hawaii. They caused a lot of damage. And we will respond. We will respond proportionally and well respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. Reporter in an interview with cnn, mr. Obama called north koreas action a kind of cyber vandalism the u. S. Will be dealing with for years to come. Were going to be in an environment in this new world where so much is digitalized that both state and nonstate actors are going to have the capacity to disrupt our lives in all sorts of ways. We have to do a much better job of guarding against that. We have to treat it like we would treat the incidence of crime in our countries. Reporter the white house appeared to suggest the u. S. Was not behind that vast internet outage in north korea in the days after the president s comments. The press secretary said the sanctions are the first aspect of our response. A Senior Administration official went further saying the u. S. Is not ruling out the possibility that north korea may have done it to themselves. Now, just how much these sanctions will pinch north koreas already isolated economy is unclear. Senior administration Officials Say the u. S. Is not certainly whether the ten people targeted in the sanctions even have assets in the u. S. But the white house made it very clear today theyre just getting warmed up. Well be standing by to see what else is happening then. Jim, thank you so much. Were also learning more about why the u. S. Believes north korea is behind the cyber attack on Sony Pictures despite the allegations of the attacks being by a former disgruntled sony employee. Pamela brown and tom fuentes join us. What are you learning . The fbi says, this is a vote of confidence from the white house, the fact that theyre taking this action going after north korea in the wake of all these naysayers, including a Cyber Security firm that says it was an insider job. This underscores the fact that the u. S. Government believes in the fbis assessment that north korea is behind the sony hack job. And the fbi youre talking to sources, tom, theyre adamant, right, that this is north korea and this isnt former disgruntled employees . I spoke with officials who said based on the meeting the fbi had with the norst company and the materials turned over by them to the fbi that that company and the other companies who have claimed that the fbi investigation was faulty only have 20 of the evidence in this case. They dont have access to the other 80 that the fbi does which is classified and which involves sources and methods being conducted throughout the world. In fact, they took it one step further and said the executives from these companies are being reckless and irresponsible in making these accusations that the investigation was not correctly done. Do you think, pamela that we will find out why what the evidence is that the fbi has or are we not going to be privy to that . As tom said a lot of the evidence the more incriminating evidence is classified. So it would have to be declassified. There is a possibility that the fbi will come out and reveal a little bit more. I dont think were going to hear about any big revelations, though as far as the smoking gun, if you will and how they know its north korea. I think it wont be as big as that. But we know the director of the fbi will be speaking at Fordham University next week. So i wouldnt be surprised if we hear him touch on the sony hack. But as far as the evidence behind why they came to this conclusion i dont think were going to be hearing any big revelations anytime soon. Theyve discussed at fbi headquarters about maybe giving out a little bit more information next week or the week after. But they dont want to get in a position that when somebody recklessly says the investigation is faulty that they give up something that helps the adversaries are overseas to know how they did what they did. I really want to know what it is though. Youre not the only one. Tom, pamela, appreciate it. Were also following reaction to a major surprise from kim jongun, hints of a possible thaw in his countrys relations with south korea if to use his word, the mood is right. As north korea ushered in a new year the u. S. Made good on a promise to strike back at the regime for a cyber attack that threatened the release of an american movie. You want to kill kim jongun . Reporter new sanctions on north koreas military arm come even as the hermit kingdom opens up to the idea of warming relations with south korea. In a new years address on national tv the isolated countrys leader kim jongun, said if conditions were right, hed be open to highlevel talks with the south. Translator if the atmosphere and environment are there, there is no reason not to hold a highlevel summit. We will make every effort to advance dialogue and cooperation. Reporter having leaders of the two koreas on speaking terms would be significant. But overtures have been made in the past with no result. In the past theres been so much disappointment with the attempts or offers on the part of kim jongun to enter into negotiations and then for some reason the conditions arent right and it doesnt move forward. Reporter in recent months there have been some signs of a thaw in the otherwise bellicose relationship between the north and south. Kims remarks come after a south korean official earlier this week suggested a meeting of cabinet ministers this month. Translator i dont think well have any particular agenda. But our position is to discuss everything that south and north have mutual interests in. Reporter video was released of kim appearing to pilot a plane earlier this week likely a propaganda move to show him as in control after the u. S. Vowed retaliation for that cyber attack. Kim may even even be trying to project strength through his facial hair. His eyebrows similar to those of his father kim jongil. With us now in the situation room, gordon chang. We also have steven yates, Deputy Assistant for National Security to Vice President dick cheney. Welcome, gentlemen. Thanks for being with us. Steven starting with you, there are sometimes sanctions and theres not a whole lot of bite to them. And sometimes there are sanctions that go very far. How would you classify these . I would classify these as basically an initial step. They seem to be modeled somewhat after the approach that was taken against russia after its taking crimea from the ukraine where where we have a narrow list of targets were going after. I see some of these entities as important in north korea but unlikely would have this kind of strategic impact on kim jonguns calculus. So gordon who specifically are we talking about being affected here and who wont be affected . Well the most important target is the general Reconnaissance Bureaus which is a military or semimilitary Intelligence Organization which included a number of cyber hacking units, including unit 121 and lab 110. And that is the main one. There are two other organizations and ten individuals. But essentially if were looking at hacking, the general Reconnaissance Bureau is the most important one. Steven when you look at the list of names here that the Treasury Department has put out, theyre not associated with the hacking, many of them, some are. But a lot of them are arms dealers stationed in places like iran and syria. Why is that . Are these sanctions in part to expose some of these names . Well, i think in some ways this is a moment of opportunity. There are a number of different challenges that north korea presents. The Obama Administration hasnt put forward a comprehensive strategy on what it aims to do. Maybe its an opportunity to address proliferation and other kinds of concerns not directly related to the cyber hacking. But the biggest name not on this list is north koreas maybe in china. What makes this very different from the russian example and others is that we have an enabler in china with cyber hacking that is akin to what we have with terrorism. If you dont get at the enabler, youre not really shaping the behavior of the target. Gordon when you look at this list of individuals, there are a lot of people who work for combed. Its north koreas primary arms dealer. They hold these positions in north korea. Do we know anything about them do any of the names stick out to you . None of the names really stick out. Some of them are important but they arent internationally wellknown. What the Obama Administration is trying to do is these sanctions wont be effective but theyre intentionally not effective. Its basically a shot across the bow hoping north korea will not retaliate. Thats going to be a very interesting thing to see over the next weeks and months because north korea is probably not going to take this lying down. So a shot across the bow. We expect theyre going to react, as you say. Steven what do you think . Will they . How will they react to this . If history is a guide, they will retaliate in some way. Weve had multiple instances of when the north korean regime is unhappy that they will test a missile, fire at an offshore island on the south, they can detonate a nuclearcapable device. Theyve now, according to the allegations of the fbi, engaged in cyber attacks. Theres no reason to believe they wouldnt react if we have gone after their leadership. And what is the role if you could quickly tell us with china and really what china wants to see and what seems to be a backandforth thats going on here . Well theres really only been one moment in history when china used compelance to bring north korea to sanctions. When chinas financial interests were at stake, it used its influence to make north korea heel. Thats the only way weve ever had indirect impact on north korea. And, yet, gordon, what do you think about whether these sanctions and maybe further actions by the u. S. That well see how it really will affect the situation, sending a message to north korea that cyber hacking isnt effective, if china isnt brought into the equation . China needs to be brought into the equation because more than half of north koreas Cyber Warriors are actually based in china. And these attacks against Sony Pictures entertainment were routed through chinese i. P. Addresses which means that beijing knew what was going on. Thats a big omission as steve points out. How concerned you sort of listed a number of things there, steven a range of things that north korea could do. How concerned should we be what do you think the worst thing they could do would be . Well its hard to imagine what the worst thing could be. Theyre not a regime that he is known for going low. They go big. So i think that we have to be very very concerned about what this uncertain leadership would do. Were dealing with a guy who after he took over leadership in north korea disappeared for periods of time. We didnt know where he was or what was going on. With Nuclear Weapons in the mix, missiles unstable regime cyber attacks, its already a bad mix. I want to put this question to both of you, maybe this is nothing. But i know a lot of people have noticed that kim jonguns appearance has altered a little bit lately his eyebrows have become much narrower. Is there any intomsymbolism to this change in look or is it just an a aesthetic look we shouldnt worry about . When he took over in 2011, he was fattened up to make himself look like his grandfather. And that derives a lot of legitimacy. So this eyebrow change is important. It says theres instability and uncertainty in the regime. The new years eve statement from north korea actually talked about the virtues of killing north koreas internal enemies, almost an unprecedented statement for the kim regime which takes the position that everybody in north korea loves kim jongun. That is some sort of message, some eyebrows are sending there steven. It is. But north korea is unlike any other country on the planet. This is the most pulverized one anywhere in human history. Were left reading tea leaves and these kinds of signals. Unfortunately for the people of north korea, theres a lot of reality to what gordon was talking about. This was a great discussion, gentlemen. Thank you so much. Gordon chang, steven yates, appreciate you both being with us. And next major new developments in the crash of airasia flight 8501. Dozens more bodies have been pulled from the java sea. Are searchers getting close to finding the plane itself . 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A lot of progress made but still a lot of hard work still lies ahead. For the first time recovery of actual parts after airasia 8501 brought ashore in indonesia. More pieces resembling windows from the airbus a320 but the search continues for the actual fuselage believed to be at the bottom of the java sea. The search area has narrowed to just over 2,000 square miles, slightly smaller than the size of delaware. Crews are desperately listening for a sound like this to guide them to the planes black boxes. But weather continues to be a major factor. Visual searching nearly impossible and divers dealing with 13foot waves. Still, some remains are being recovered, including these from the u. S. Navy ship sampson. In surabaya ten bodies made their way through pouring rain en route to a hospital. Authorities are also making progress identifying the victims. One of the first a Flight Attendant named nisa. Translator nisa is an obedient daughter shes tidy and loves to learn. Her friends love her. Reporter pictures from their daughters Instagram Account show a poised young woman with an adventurous spirit that took her hundreds of miles away from the family home in sumatra. She knew the risk but she loved this. It was her dream. Reporter leaning on nisas two older brothers and cousins, their smiles vanished replaced by a sense of urgency and finality. A few hours later, a solemn transfer of remains. Her parents say theyve already made preparations for their daughters burial as she begins her final journey home. Translator goodbye goodbye, nisa. Reporter what struck me most about the time i spent with nisas parents was their strength and resilience even in the face of such grief. A little anecdote from her father nisas oldest brother has always wanted to fly as well. Hes been inspired by nisa and wanted to become a Flight Attendant. And her father says if thats still what he wants, then he

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