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CNNW The Mueller Report Special Coverage April 19, 2019

Confirmed that the russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 president ial election. But didnt find that the Trump Campaign or other americans colluded in those efforts. Later in the day the president left washington behind. Heading to maralago where he will spend the holiday weekend. Not before he rejoiced with a crowd declaring game over. Except its not. Democrats are not dropping investigations and nadler is preparing a subpoena for the unredacted report. Attempts by the president out lined by muellers team in the obstruction part of the probe. So this was the out standing question that so many people had. Why mueller didnt make a determination on obstruction and he laid out i have them here, ten areas that they looked at. Whether it was the firing of the fbi director. Michael flynn. Etc. So, for the American People who have not read all 448 pages, what is the most glaring question that remain ins the obstruction front . There is overwhelming questions that need to be asked and follow ups that need to be had. The conduct with the white house counsel, don mcgahn and the alarm bells going off within his head. When the president was asking him to to do things. You can see there was a lot of concern. In the interview that is he gave sot special counsel. 30 hours with them. Every question about the obstruction issue. He was central to this. The big part his 30 hours of testimony the call from the president. At his home. To call the what was it it was the acting attorney general to fire miller. They wanted mueller fired. Mcgahn basically didnt do it. And said he was not to himself i was not going to do this. He knew what could happen. If he was to do that. Its people like mcgahn who despite what the president wanted to do and they were really treated poorly by the president in the end. They tried to protect the president. They tried to protect the white house. And the country. Because they saw what could happen if they were to follow through on what the president wanted. One of the claims that stood out from the attorney general today in the press conference was his claim the white house in his words fully cooperated with this information. Yes, the white house handed over documents and allowed aids to talk about to mueller. President never sat down for an interview. In what world is that full cooperation . Thats the thing. He never sat down with the interview and the answers he gave the take home test the questions he answered at home with his lawyer. No follow ups. He was evasive. He didnt give a full accounting of everything. Parts he didnt remember. 30 times. How is that youre right. How is that full cooperation. Why the attorney general standing there saying that when he knows theres questions that need to be asked that maybe we didnt get the full cooperation. Special counsel in the end realized they were up against a fight. If they were to go ahead and subpoena the president. It would take too long. It would draw out the process even more and in the end what happened is they werent going to get the answers they were seeking from him. Theres no lawyer that would have allowed they said they werent going to let him talk. If they subpoenaed him. They were concerned the president would be exposed. Thank you very much. You have been uch all day reading this. Long day. We appreciate it. Congressman from texas is ratcheting calms to impeach the president. Even has Democratic House leadership is moving away from it. Almost running from impeachment at this point. Al green tweeted today quote wewe have evidence and majority. We should impeach. We have the congressman now. Make the case. Thank you for having me. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. It is my opinion that mr. Mueller has done his job. He has allowed us to out source the investigation to him. Generally speaking and frankly speaking. According to the frame work of the constitution. That is something that the Judiciary Committee should have done. Hes done his job and now asked that we consider what he has given us. Ten points to consider. And that means that we should take up the question of impeachment. Im not afraid to say it. I think impeachment is appropriate. I think that a reckless ruthless president should be deterred by impeachment. What is if we dont take up impeachment what we will do is wave the flag of surrender. We will say to the reckless president do what you may. We wont take up the cause. It is to deter a president as well as to start the process of removal from office. If this president understands we wont impeach him, watch and see what he will do. Heres the they think, right, you dont want it to be an empty threat. And you know the math. You need a simple major it in the house. You got that. You dont have democratic leadership on board. Nancy pelosi hasnt signalled. The number two dem said were not there. And you dont have twothirds of the senate. It could be an empty threat. Its not when you follow through. The people knowing the math. The numbers arent there. For you. Republican ts arent there. Its not its not bipartisan. You know the impeachment proceeding to be successful articles to be successful and removal from office and jury vote in the senate, you need to have the republicans agree with you. Are you there . Not true. Not true. How is it not true . Its a fact that you need twothirds of the senate. Allow me to explain. As you have done with my other colleague from texas. We have an overwhelming majority the people of this country went to the polls and gave us this majority for a reason. It was because they wanted us to rebuke trump. They want trump out of office. With this overwhelming majority, we have the power democrats alone to impeach. The framers of the constitution didnt intend for impeachment to be a walk in the park. It wont be pleasant. Theres no requirement that republicans have to come on board before we can impeach. As a matter of fact if we wait on republicans to do it and put it in their hands were not likely to ever impeach this president. And possibly any other. Congressman, fair enough i hear your point. You dont need republicans to bring articles of impeachment. What you need is to be successful in removal from office. Enough in the senate to vote for that. Take a listen to congressman adam schiff the chair of the house intel committee. Extraordinarily critical of the president. Here he was earlier today with my colleague wolf blitzer. The evidence would have to be quite overwhelming and such that it would generate bipartisan support for the idea that it renders the president unfit for office. His point you need bipartisan support. What do you say . I say he has an opinion. I say this is what makes democrats the party with the ability to accept the opinion. Hes entitled to his opinion. I have an opinion that id like to to share. We send it to the senate and let the senate have the opportunity to produce a trial. Let witnesses come forward. Let us find out what the senate will do. There maybe senators who will realize that impeachment is important to their citizens once the ed is revealed. We often as a matter of fact just lately we sent a bill over to the senate knowing that the senate wouldnt pass it. But i was in the room when i heard people talk in great terms about how we must do our duty and send it to the senate. And let the senate do what they may. We must do our duty. It is our duty under the constitution to perform the articles of impeachment. Which is similar to indictment. Not a find of guilt. Is pass it on. Again if we dont, were waving the white flag. And were saying to a reckless, ruthless bigoted president. You may continue to do what you may at the border. Separating babies from mothers. You may continue because we wont impeach you. Congressman, i hear your argument. I also see the numbers. We have poll that came out yesterday. And it shows 54 of American People when asked about this say koj should move on. 39 say continue to investigate. Even a former prosecutor adam schiff again making the case that its not responsible at this point to do that. I do feel that much as i did when i was a prosecutor that you dont bring a case if you dont believe youll be successful with it. Just to try the case. If you have a point dont bring a case if you cant be successful if the nurl numbers arent there. Two points. First, we have a duty to go forward and to try our best to bring this to justice in the senate. It acts as a deternl. The second point is this. I would challenge any democrat or republican to a debate on this point. We keep putting people against me who are not here to respond and for me to respond. I think its time for us to have a debate. I will challenge any democrat, republican, or constitutional scholar who would like to take on the challenge of whether we should impeach and whether the law allows us to whether a crime has been committed or not. We should put principle above politics. People above party. We are democrats. Its time for us to act like democrats. We have been given a mandate. We have an overwhelming majority. If we dont impeach, we wave the white flag of surrender. Congressman, i think thats an interesting proposal. I would be happy to have you on our show monday morning. Along with congressman schiff to do that. I welcome you both on to the debate it here on cnn. Its an important conversation to have. Thank you for your time tonight. I thank you too. If i may. Dont limit it to schiff. Any person on the planet, this is a righteous cause. We only have stand alone and not stand at all. We only have so many boxes to pit on the screen. Maybe eight of you at a time. Its an important conversation. That would be seven to my one. I would have an edge if you have seven against me. I appreciate your time. On another note. For people who missed your question at the House Financial Services committee hearing. To all of the top banks about whether a woman or minority will succeed them. It was an important question. Thank you for asking it, sir. I thank you for Anderson Cooper no acknowledging it. Thank you. Congressman of texas. We have a lot more ahead on this 448 page report. Well be back with the experts after this. Ay to skip this. Skip drying with finish jet dry. It dries 100 better versus detergent alone. Finish jet dry. For cabinetready dishes, right out of your dishwasher. You wouldnt accept from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. Flonase. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. 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Mueller found in evidence the campaign conspired with the russians to enteer fear in the election. And also declined to conclude a criminal charge of obstruction against the president is warranted. He put in his report multiple occasions when the president did try to intervene in the investigation. Out lining ten different areas they looked at on the obstruction front. If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly didnt commit obstruction of justice, we would state so. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards we were unable to reach the judgment. The evidence we obtained about the president s actions and intent prevent us from determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly this doesnt conclude the president committed a crime. It doesnt exonerate him. Joining me now. Law Enforcement Analyst and former fbi supervisor special agent. Chief media correspondent. And legal analyst. And civil rights attorney. Our legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. Good morning, good evening to all of you. Its 1 00 in the morning. Let me begin with you. Given what you did before you worked here, Justice Department and fbi. Barrs framing of this, what should the American People walk away with . Confidence . The American People should know they have been taken for a ride here. And i was one of the fist people on the air whenever this letter came out from barr we discovered the 14 page job before that. When it came out he submitted a letter criticizing the mueller investigation. When he was a private citizen. People looked at that with suspicion. What was he trying to do audition for a job. I was actually one of the ones defending him saying pump your brakes slow your roll. We dont know the motivation. I have evolved on that. I see a pattern. You have that and framing this document. In his four page memo. Saying no collusion. And he determined there was no obstruction. What he did is the essentially a liable mission in my judgment. You say a couple things and leave important things out. He left out what mueller actually said in the report. That is President Trump according to investigators had this pattern of attacking investigators and control the investigation. Trying to get witnesses not to cooperate with the investigation. All that is troubling. None of that was in the original framing. Four weeks ago this was baked in. Now we have to refute it based on facts. Legal perkts on this. Mueller also out lined in here. Why he didnt come it a conclusion on obstruction of justice. And also made it clear that congress has the ability and the right to take the ball and go from here if they choose. Im wondering if mueller comes to testify, well see, whats the most important question you would ask him on the obstruction . What we want to hear from bob mueller is why didnt he reach a conclusion with respect to obstruction given all the evidence that he lays out in the 400 plus page report. We heard barr make the statement this morning that had had nothing to do with the office of legal counsel. Policy about it did. Not being able to indict a sitting president. That was a misstatement. And its clear from the report that was a huge consideration for special counsel mueller and that but for that policy, i think there would have been a different determination. And i think mueller he laid out this road map for congress to look at the issue of obstruction and talked about what can happen to President Trump when he leaves office. He didnt say congress this is only for you to take a look at and consider impeachment. He said the kind of conduct that trump was engaged in also can be something subject of a prosecution once he is out of office. That was very telling. As we talk about things that were left out of barrs brief press conference this morning. That was a critical point he doesnt punctuate. About the president being exonerated. In barrs remarks this morning her cede the Deputy Attorney general and disagree with the legal theories and felt the episode didnt amount to obstruction. How significant is it that he notes he kp rosd rosenstein disafreed. Its clear they did. That was the poent of the audition letter. As josh put it. He doesnt believe legally the president can be charged with obstruction for exercising article 2 powers. And mueller does a good job in the back end of the report. This is the part most people glaze over. A careful point by point reputation of the legal arguments that were raised in this case actually by the president personal counsel. The essentially the same arguments barr raised. I think what barr is saying we disagree on the law. Really what we were doing is saying that on the facts we dont think theres enough evidence to justify it. And because reasonable lawyers can disagree on legal arguments. He wants the people to believe theres not enough evidence. Thats why hes pushing that narrative. When you read the report, i have to say you have to come to the opposite conclusion. Thats the thipg. Trump world is doing. Unfortunately the attorney general is part of this. Is promoting this big lie. Theres little lies revealed in this report. You have become used to. Theres a bigger lie. The president promoted this witch hunt lie and the no obstruction lie. And a lot of people are helping him do that. Media and allies inside the government promoting what is essentially a big lie. Hes telling it over and over again. Thats the new playing field. Are people going to believe the big lie . Its not a crime. To lie to the press. American people. True. No wup should do it and the president shouldnt do it. And the press secretary. Certainly shouldnt do it. Explain why it is so key what we learned from the report about whats Sarah Sanders admitted to mueller and the team of prosecutors when she had said the rank and file is at the fbi arent happy with james comey. They wanted him ou. She heard from countless members calling her up saying we want hip out. It was a lie then. She admitted it was a lie. This is one of many misleading statements out of the white house. Shes admitting to it in the Mueller Report. Example of how little credibility this white house has. The recognition the president and aids cannot be trusted. Examples on the screen. Speak to the largers problem. I was inside the fbi at the time. I remember watching that press conference with colleagues saying the fbi didnt have confidence in the former director. My former boss. There was another component. She stood at the podium and said she had personally been in contact with countless fbi agents. It was actually a reporter that got so he essentially gave a one word response. Really . Giving her the opportunity to back out she said there was Text Messages and emails. This wasnt a shlip of the tongue. She was tripling down. She was on fox news tonight saying she misspoke. But essentially the larger claim was true. Shes circling back. Its insane. I asked her questions. She declined to comment. Maybe shell come on the show. I would love that. Standby. We have a lot to discuss. Whoooo. Did you know the exact same hotel room. Can have many different prices . Thats why tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites to find th

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