mike pence who heads the coronavirus task force, she was on the task force from day one. now troy left the white house in late july and she's leveling some tough charges against president trump in a new video. >> towards the middle of february, we knew it wasn't a matter of if covid would become a big pandemic, it was a matter of when. the president didn't want to hear that because his biggest concern was we were in an election year and how was this going to affect what he considered his record of success. the truth is he doesn't actually care about anyone else but himself. >> troy goes on to say that president trump made a statement that she will never forget because in her view it defines who president trump is. >> when we were in a task force meeting, the president said maybe this covid thing is a good thing. i don't like shaking hands with people. i don't have to shake hands with these disgusting people. those disgusting people are the same people that he claims to care about. >> troy goes on to say that if the president had taken this virus seriously, he would have saved lives. a lifelong republican, troy says she's now endorsing joe biden. we asked the white house for comment on this breaking news story. a senior white house official told me on background, quote, i've known olivia for two years. she was proud to work in this administration when things went sour when she departed at the end. despite her playing a largely administrative role on the task force we talked nearly daily early in the virus and she never once expressed concern about the administration's handling and routinely claimed she just wanted to do right by the vice president and the president. this is yet another example, the official says, of someone who holy spirit proximity to power yet didn't use their voice to speak up at horrors they allegedly witnessed. the official said the president would never say any such thing about not wanting to shake hands with disgusting people. troy joins former homeland security official miles taylor whose criticism of trump and endorsement of biden broke on "the lead" several weeks ago, also joins former communications director anthony scaramucci, a new group launching, political alliance for reform, known as repair. bill themselves as two dozen conservatives former officials dedicated to president trump not being elected in no let's bring in our political panel to talk about this news. let me start with you, abby phillip. this is a former coronavirus task force member and aide to pence saying the president does not care about americans. he would have saved lives if he took the pandemic seriously. she's not somebody the average person out there knows. do you think this will have any impact? >> it is one of many such examples of people who worked for this president who have left his employ and are now sharply criticizing him. i think what makes this so extraordinary is she was just there. she was in the middle of this current crisis. she is not looking on at this fully from the outside. she was in it at some point. i think that is a totally different level of criticism coming from inside the house. and it is one of many from president trump. we're talking former defense officials like jim mattis as former chief of staff, like john kelly, who have come out of that building and said virtually the same thing about their belief the president is unfit for office. >> and mia, this aide, troy, says president trump said he didn't seem to care, only about how it would affect his re-election and had the story about not wanting to shake hands with disgusting people, which a white house official denies the president said. what do you make of this. >> fairly memorable, tracks with what we know about this president. the president is a germaphobic. we don't see him interacting face-to-face with his supporters, whether before covid and certainly not at this point. this is powerful stuff we're hearing as abbey was laying out was in the room and it also underscores what we heard from bob woodward, this bombshell book, the idea the president only cared about his re-election, that at times he knew that the coronavirus was incredible deadly but publicly he was saying something different. i was also reminded just yesterday, which was essentially the deaths in blue states don't count. in blue states, it's killed democrats, republicans, americans more generally. so i think what is so damning about this is it adds to the portrait of this president that we've been hearing time and time again when it comes to his lack of empathy and overall handling of the coronavirus. >> ron brownstein, white house tell-alls and white house disgruntled employees, ex-employees, it's not new. i can't recall in american history such a long list of officials from mattis, kelly, miles material, now olivia troy. is this without precedent? >> i think so. it makes it doubly unique. i wrote a few weeks ago, if you look at the broader degree of crossover support biden is getting from former officials in the party, it's clearly the most of any presidential nominee since nixon and democrats for nixon in 1972 run by john connally. we've seen dozens of former house members, governors, we've seen hundreds of executive branch officials in republican administrations, particularly national security officials who endorsed biden and top officials to each of the past three republican nominees, romney, mccain and w. bush endorse biden. somebody said a parallel to '72. in '72 you did not have this procession of former people inside the room at the very top of the government watching the president coming out saying he's not fit. i don't think there's been anything like this. does it move voters? voters are locked in. yes, this is a stubborn and sticky electorate. the fact is donald trump is on track to run more poorly with college educated white voters than any republican nominee ever. fifteen states out over the weekend he trailed among college educated white voters in all about south carolina. i do believe this drum beat of former officials say he's not fit for the job is part of the reason he's staring at that deficit. >> these former trump officials i mentioned, including olivia troy joined powell, kasich, members of congress charlie dent, susan molinari, meg wh whitman, carly fiorina, this is an exhausting list. i have to say there were a lot of republicans endorsing hillary clinton last time. it's a different scenario. these are individuals who have seen up close and personal the trump presidency. >> you read my mind when you said that. as you were going through that list i was thinking, man, i remember there time four years ago, this was the exact exercise hillary clinton campaign was engaged in, trying to recruit republicans in to give permission structure for republicans to come over and vote for her. this is a similar type of exercise. the difference for the american people, not so much about the difference between republicans now, the difference with the american people is they have experienced four years of donald trump as president. that's what the biden campaign is counting on to make this matter more, no longer a theoretical exercise, what kind of president donald trump might be. we are living in the presidency of donald trump. i think the biden campaign thinks that is really the most valuable asset that they have in their campaign right now. >> also i have to say olivia troye's description of his attitude toward the virus squares with how the president behaved during this pandemic. ron, there's another interesting story. prmpds fo president trump's former director dan coats obviously cooperated with the woodward book and had concerns about trump, he's out with an op-ed calling for congress to create a bipartisan commission to oversee the election. he writes, quote, our enemies foreign and domestic want us to concede in advance it's faulty, sinister has distorted the will of the people. if the results of this tumultuous election year we're lost no matter which american wins. no american or american leader should want such an outcome. obviously coats never says donald trump's name but he's describing donald trump. >> yeah. i think that the article is well intentioned but a little disingenuous in that way. there's not a symmetrical threat to this election. the core of the threat to the stability of the election are trump's efforts to disparage mail-in voting, discourage counting of the ballots and possibly contest the election afterwards if he loses. the core issue, really, is whether republican elected -- how far down that road are elected officials going to be willing to go. how far will judges be willing to go in allowing him to pursue that? the commission is an effort to try to enlist some of them into defending the election. i think you have to face the issues squarely. by the way, jake, in 1876 they appointed a commission to settle three states in the south and every member of the commission, house, senate, and supreme court justice voted with their party including the justices voted with the party that appointed them. so it's not clear the commission gets us around the core issue of whether the president's party will defend democracy even if it means he loses. >> the famous election of hayes. thank you very much, all of you. tonight you don't want to miss a presidential town hall, democratic nominee joining anderson cooper in scranton, pennsylvania, only at 8:00 p.m. eastern this evening. president trump's rejection of science about to be on full display as he hit the road again. the parents knew and sent a covid positive kid to school and dozens of children are paying a applie price. stay with us. - my family and i did a fundraiser walk in honor of my dad, willy davis, who has alzheimer's. i decided to make shirts for the walk with custom ink. the shirts were so easy to design on the site. the custom ink team was super helpful and they just came out perfect. seeing my family wearing my shirts was such an amazing reminder of all the love and support that everyone has for my dad. - [narrator] check out our huge selection of custom t-shirts and more, for teams, businesses, and every occasion. you'll even get free shipping. get started today at customink.com. my wife and daughter had been killed in an automobile crash, and lying in the bed were my two little boys. i couldn't have imagined what it would've been like if i didn't have insurance to cover them immediately and fully. forty years later, one of those little boys, my son beau, was diagnosed with terminal cancer, given months to live. i can't fathom what would have happened if the insurance companies had the power to say, "the last few months, you're on your own." the fact of the matter is health care is personal to me. obamacare is personal to me. when i see the president of the united states try to eliminate this health care in the middle of a public health crisis, that's personal to me too. we've got to build on what we did because every american deserves affordable health care. i'm joe biden and i approve this message. good morning, mr. sun. good morning, blair. 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>> no. actually he was really a strong witness today in this hearing on worldwide threats. he was very practical and reasonable and just laid it out in a very straight way, which i really appreciate, as a former national security person myself. i asked him directly, there's this debate about sort of domestic terrorism and whether the rates are up. he confirmed that they were. then i wanted him to say in very plain terms what greatest driver of has domestic driver of terrorism is right now, the number of cases he sees. he was very plain about it. i thought it was important for people to hear it on the committee and hear it in public because it sometimes get distorted. >> yeah. the white house made it very clear president trump does not want that information shared with the public. acting homeland security secretary chad wolf was supposed to attend this hearing but instead he defied a subpoena. the department of homeland security saying because wolf is an acting secretary who should not talk before the house panel, of course, he has been in this position for more than 10 months. he says he wants to be confirmed. the president said he wants to nominate him. what do you make of his refusal to show up? >> at a certain point he said he was going to be here and he pulled out. listen, it's a briefing, an annual briefing that goes on on worldwide threats. it shouldn't be a hard thing to see the acting director of homeland security come to that kind of event. i know a lot of us were very discouraged from both sides of the aisle. i know i'll be sending in some clear questions for the record. i think under his watch we've seen real politicization of the use of federal forces, the use of department of homeland security. i want him to answer for that. if not in person, then certainly for the record. >> yeah. seems to be a real dichotomy. would you agree it seems like christopher wray understands he works for the american people and acting secretary wolf doesn't quite get that? >> i have no idea why some show up and some don't but i really respect director wray and head of terrorism center chris miller showed up. they answered question p it's silly season, presidential election season, a lot of stuff going on. protecting the homeland should not be a political thing. >> i want to get your reaction to breaking news. olivia troye, former homeland security aide for mike pence, somebody who served on the coronavirus task force from day one, came out to support joe biden in the 2020 election. here is one of the charges she makes against president trump. take a listen. >> it was shocking to see the president saying the virus was a hoax, saying that everything is okay when we know it's not. the truth is he doesn't actually care about anyone else but himself. >> the white house pushing back very forcefully. keith kellogg, the retired general, who is an adviser to pence saying that olivia troye couldn't handle their responsibilities. but what's your reaction to what she's saying? >> i mean, listen, i have no special knowledge of what goes on inside the white house. i just watch the press briefings the way everybody else does. i watch what they put out. you can say you care about health but if you don't reinforce that and set that tone from the top by wearing masks and talking about the importance of the cdc guidelines, it tells the country that it's okay to ignore those guidelines. we shouldn't be surprised when we see people ignoring it on the ground in places like my district. i don't think it takes the staffer to tell us that the white house has pretty divided opinions on how to handle this virus and the president himself through his leadership is sending a message that he just doesn't care about the cdc guidelines. >> so speaking of leadership, you've been taking on your own leadership. you're a part of the house problem solvers caucus which worked with republicans. it's a bipartisan group, 25 democrats, 25 republicans, proposing a compromise, $2 trillion stimulus package. house democratic leaders rejected the proposal right away but now president trump says he's open to it. what do you make of this all and why are your leaders, democratic leaders, not working with you in the problem solvers caucus to help out these people who are in such dire need? 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date in mind, wants the vaccine by election day. many experts say that's dangerous. >> it makes people who are not by any means vaccine skeptics normally, it makes them skeptical of the vaccine. >> if you have a vaccine that is highly effective but very few people get vaccinated, you're not going to realize the full, important effect of having a vaccine. >> the former cdc weighing in on the current that masks might be more effective than the vaccine which sparked brutal pushback. >> apple versus theoretical orange. masks are really important. vaccine, we don't know what the effectiveness is yet. we don't have the studies. no one knows. >> meanwhile another packed party on the jersey shore. according to the governor, this is -- >> an egregious display of knucklehead behavior in seaside heights. >> unsurprising cases are rising in jersey right now as they are on college campuses across the country. >> we're in the middle of a pandemic. the fact that people think it's okay to party right now is the biggest mistake. >> meanwhile in massachusetts, nearly 30 high schoolers now forced to quarantine after parents sent their covid-19 positive kid to class. >> parents knew they shouldn't have done that. the student knew he shouldn't have done that. >> new york city schools were supposed to open in person monday. most now pushed to the end of the month. >> we made a movie hee here to t right. >> nationwide there are about half the number of people in the hospital for covid-19 compared to mid july but 23 states are now seeing their average daily case counts rise. perhaps the best indicator of where we are is the number of tests coming back positive. under 5% is the aim. two weeks ago we were there. averaging 4. %. now 5.79. >> what science says is that if you give the virus an opportunity to spread, it will. >> now, getting back to dr. fauci's point about doesn't matter how great your vaccine is, you've got to get people to take it, there is a new pew research poll that suggests that only 51% of americans say they would definitely or probably get a covid vaccine and that is way down for may. here is perhaps one reason why. this new poll also shows more than three-quarters of people think it is very or somewhat likely that a vaccine will be approved before the safety and efficacy are fully understood. jake. >> all right. nick watt, thank you so much. joining us now to discuss cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. pfizer and biotech are going to adapt vaccine trials to meet this october deadline. first of all, what does that mean? second of all, this really is continuing like everything we keep hearing from the white house keeps feeding into this idea that politics are at play here more than science, or at least too much. >> yeah, i think you're absolutely right, jake. i do hear that from a lot of public health people who have nothing to do with this administration, who are just scientists who call me up oftentimes unsolicited to share just that, telling me they can't disentangle anything they are doing from politics. with this particular trial, the idea they are adapting basically means they are going to try and recruit patients from other places around the world, specifically brazil and argentina here. i don't know if we have this graphic, but part of the reason is you have a faster pace of growth at least right now in some other places around the world, and they need patients, volunteers in this trial, to become infected in the placebo group to actually show the placebo is not working and the vaccine is. that's the adapting that's happening here. they are trying to move fast. you're right. the fact they keep using this end of october before election day as sort of their target makes it seem more political but i speak to these vaccine manufacturers and they say our goal is to do this as quickly as safely as possible. >> yeah. i mean, what's so disturbing about this is operation warp speed, which is the trump administration's effort to develop this vaccine in super speed is really quite impressive, and it's really been heralded and rightly so by scientists. president trump and the white house keep making politics part of the conversation. president trump with hydroxychloroquine, the plasma, with whatever the my pillow was pushing having to do with oleander extract, making pom particulars part of the conversation, corrupting the fda process to a degree. we all want to take a safe vaccine. do they really not understand they are undermining their own great accomplishment here? >> i don't think they do. i really get the sense this is the home run that they want to hit and take full credit for. they keep accelerating these time lines. even though, to your point, operation warp speed, i into last week and he said, look, this is very unlikely it will happen october, november, maybe december. at this point we'll only have limited doses of the vaccine available. they are doing some at-risk manufacturing of the vaccine, meaning they are starting to manufacture certain doses even without authorization or approval. it's a bit of a gamble. that's how they are trying to stay ahead. it's a weird thing. the pace of medical innovation has never been faster. that should be celebrated. there are remarkable things that happened from medical standpoint around this vaccine. the discouraging thing, only half the country said they will take the vaccine right now. while it may be safe and effective and i think there's a good regulatory process in place, the trust has been very significantly eroded here. >> yeah. to that point, take a listen to dr. anthony fauci, one of the nation's top infectious disease experts talking about this conflict. >> i don't want to even create more of the confusion. i did not hear what the president said. i did not hear the back and forth between dr. redfield and the president. so that's why i kind of stay away from trying to pit one timetable against hoot timetable when we don't know if we have a safe and effective vaccine. >> fauci between a rock and a hard place. he doesn't want to referee. dr. redfield from the cdc said probably not until 2021 will we get a safe vaccine to the public. president trump saying redfield is confused, doesn't know what he's talking about, it's coming imminently. it's difficult for somebody like fauci. >> it's astonishing to watch that, jake. i say that with more the medical hat on, talking to lots of public health people. we knew that the cdc has been undermined for several months now, maybe since the beginning of this pandemic. even people who were sounding the alarm about this being a pandemic early were very marginalized, beginning of february, early march. it was so obvious yesterday. that was a complete contradiction of the cdc head. our cdc in this country is one of the most widely respected medical organizations in the world. china called cdc in deference to our cdc to give you an idea. i don't know 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agency. >> montessori preschool. ean perez joins me now. evan, that's pretty tough stuff for his own employees. have you heard any reaction from within the department of justice? i think we're having trouble with evan's feed right there. let me go to cnn senior legal analyst and attorney who was fired by president trump. we'll bring back evan when the camera gets under control. what's your reaction to attorney general barr to comparing his own prosecutors to montessori preschoolers. >> i'm flabbergasted. i think it's another example of this attorney general shouting into the air needing to proof something to himself, or i guess the president of the united states. initially this is a matter of leadership in an organization. you don't disgrace yourself by calling hardworking public servants in your agency those kinds of things. he should get out of the analogy business all together. i don't know why he sees the need to pump his chest and say i'm the boss of you, i'm the boss of you. everyone understands in the u.s. attorney's office or any other organization that there's a chain of command. i oversaw hundreds of u.s. attorneys and nobody is saying -- this is the straw man part of the argument. no one has said that i've ever heard that the lowest level person at the department of justice should be setting the agenda for the department or making a final decision. but this should be especially clear for someone who has never tried a case, a prosecutor himself, maybe that's why he has disdain for the back bottom of the department. the people on the line are the ones who know the facts, interviewed the witness, make recommendations up the chain of command about what's right to do. he's talking nonsense and his nonsense has gotten more and more volumable as late. >> the coronavirus measures in place to protecting americans to something else fairly stark. take a listen. >> putting a national lockdown stay-at-home orders is like house arrest. you know, other than slavery, which was a different kind of restraint, this the greatest intrusion on civil liberties in american history. >> first of all, that's nonsense, because you can look at the internment of the japanese during world war ii, there are any number of much greater civil liberty violations. but beyond that, i think to african-americans, it's offensive. what was your reaction? >> exactly the same as yours, jake. it's offensive, nonsense, absurd. remember, these other things that he's talking about were malicio malicious, evil, government sanctioned impositions on people's liberty. slavery. the lockdowns are for the purpose of saving people and protecting people an particularly the lives of people of color more adversely affected by the coronavirus. again, as i said before, he should stay out of the comparison and analogy business because it doesn't make any sense. >> what do you think about like the general effect and legacy of bill barr and the comments that he's made as of late and actions he's taken as of plate? what do you think will be the legacy not just among democratic prosecutors and doj officials but republicans as well. i think there was an impression when he was nominated to replace jeff sessions that he would be an institutionalist, had done the job before, an establishment guy. there are a lot of never trump republicans that are dismayed. what do you think his legacy will be? >> i was one of those people who thought he was an adult and served before an institution institutionalist. i was completely dead wrong. his legacy so far, if it were to end today, would be a poor one. someone who is an arm of the president, works on behalf of the president for the people, interferes only when associated with the president as associated with michael flynn, roger stone. the reason i pause is i'm concerned his legacy is going to be much, much worse. what we've seen so far is only prologued to the election. with increasing frequency, he's making comments about evidence. he perfectly admits he's making evidence. he calls it logic without evidence, that there will be widespread voter fraud through mail-in ballots. all sorts of other things he says will be true about the election. what i'm worried about is the foundation he's laying so far to do things as a bad actor on november 3rd, because that's what the president wants him to do. so the legacy is not yet complete and i worry it's going to be much, much worse. >> not to mention, there's this thing called the durham report, u.s. attorney who is investigating whether or not there were acts of criminality investigating trump during the russia investigation, et cetera. there's reporting out there saying that barr is pressuring durham to release information before the election even if the overall election is not done. i've never heard of anything like that. usually these investigations end when they end and the information comes out when it comes out. >> you see this as sort of an ironic inverse to what happened with the mueller report. that report was completed. when it was time to be completed in the view of bob mueller. in that instance, the right to protect the president, bill barr, and he's been criticized about this by a federal district court judge, he delayed the report so he could put out his own misleading summary of the report. now when the issue is on the other foot and he thinks it's something that will be helpful to the president politically, he wants to rush it out. both of wrong. two sides of the same coin, it's someone who is out to protect the president and not much else it seems. >> i hear a lot of outrage from democrats but they control the house of representatives. they have seats in the u.s. senate. i mean, if they are so outraged by the attorney general's behavior, is there nothing they can do? >> impeachment proceeding of the attorney general. some people suggested doing that. i think with the election so close and the possibility of new leadership everywhere 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