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in the last 10 days. >> florida continuing to break records. >> for the people who expect to see a sharp decline in the number of cases as the weather became warm and moist, i think we're seeing that's absolutely not the case. >> exhibit a, the sunshine state, which just recorded nearly 9,000 new cases and 120 covid-19-related deaths. a single day high. >> we all hoped for flattening and stabilization. we haven't seen it yet. >> arizona one of nearly a dozen states seeing uptick in hospitalizations. >> any state that is having a serious problem, that state should seriously look at shutting down. >> in kentucky new cases jumped 40% in the last week. in oklahoma they are up 45%. across the country, 33 states moving in the wrong direction. >> there's no immediate fix to this. we're going to have to really put in the work to get ahead of this epidemic. >> "the new york times" reporting ppe could soon become a concern. again, noted doctors in houston have been told to reuse n95 masks echoing the vice president on wednesday. >> we're encouraging health care workers to begin now to use some of the best practices we learned in other parts of the country to preserve and reuse the ppe supplies. >> even in states holding steady, maryland, officials remain cautious. >> look, we're very concerned about what's happening around the country. i don't want to take a victory lap. >> the state seeing sa spike in cases among those under 35. michigan reporting one in five covid patients is between 25 and 34 years old. meantime in new york state, the early epicenter, less than 1% of tests are now positive for the virus. a sliver of hope, grim numbers in the new hot spots. positivity rates skyrocketing in arizona, texas, and florida. >> this is an outbreak uncontained, in free fall. >> i just want to update you on numbers we're just getting in from the state of california. california reporting its highest single day death toll. 149 covid related deaths. governor newsom saying the mortality rates are still front and center and should be in your conscious as we've been hearing from a number of officials, of course, we know that the death toll does lag between cases and hospitalizations and there is concern we'll continue to see an uptick. >> we'll keep an eye on those numbers. thank you so much, erica hill. joining me now chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. good to see you. you heard dr. fauci say any state that's having a serious problem should look at shutting down. then he cautioned he hopes it's not necessary and pausing reopening should be the way to go. what do you think? is that sufficient? what was your takeaway? >> pamela, the takeaway is the status quo is obviously not working. pausing alone isn't working. that's not going to work in some of these states. clearly the numbers are growing significantly. if it is pausing reopen with real diligence about numbers in public, which is mask wearing we know will work. we have real evidence from other countries. perhaps we're in a more serious situation now. if this were a patient, pamela, i would say earlier you could use a less aggressive treatment. now you have more virus, more spread, you may need more aggressive treatment. >> what do you make of the more virus, the more spread? is that because in your view they have left their guard down that states opened too soon? >> yeah, i think you could -- yes, those two things for sure. i think you could trace it back a little further. i think what strikes me now covering this for several months is that in the beginning i don't think there was a seriousness about this, which would have manifested with real widespread available testing to get your arms around and get eyes on early on. as a result of that we have significant community spread. started off west coast and east coast and has gradually made its way further and further into the country. i think it's been there -- this has been happening for some time and got exacerbated by closing too late. got exacerbated by opening too soon, people not wearing masks, all those things you layer into it. it was that lack of seriousness up front that's really driving us. >> you look at the numbers, data coming out today, 33 states, dr. gupta are seeing an increase in cases, hospitalizations up in a dozen and deaths are increasing in seven. does there need to be more of a national approach dealing with this spike? when you hear from the white house there's a message coming out from the president from the very top saying, look, things are getting under control now, the states should reopen and decide what to do with the coronavirus. >> no, pam make, i think there has to be a national plan. perhaps that's obvious to people from a public health perspective. as i talk to people in different states around the country, you do hear different things in terms of their approach. and i think it makes it confusing. one state is going to approach it this way, another state is going to approach it this way. we all travel around between these states. are you sort of following the new state's guidelines? it's confusing. people do travel. these states aren't bubbles. how do you handle that without a national plan. the countries that have the most success had a national plan. it doesn't mean it has to last forever, a national plan, but it has to be in place for a length of time. >> the president said look at other countries, those schools are reopening. those countries followed a national plan. dr. fauci today said he's concerned, too, about the neighboring states, to your point, about it's not just an isolated state. people travel across state lines, so that's an issue. then you look at the long lines for testing and nurses and doctors are sharing their stories of ppe shortages. when you look at this, do you feel like we're back to where we were in march? >> i really do. i remember having conversations with people back then about how difficult it was to get tested, health care workers. turns out my wife and daughters they had to get tested recently, decided to get tested. it was almost 4 1/2 hours of waiting in their car. somebody came out with ppe on and did the swabs. but it's a long time. i remember she was telling me a lot of people were leaving. they couldn't possibly wait that long, they had the rest of their lives. i think with regard to testing that has been surprising to me that at this point, as my kids are thinking are they going to the school in the fall? are people thinking about their businesses? are you going into the office, pamela? if we had a quick, reliable, widely available test that you could know that you're not carrying the virus, people you work with today aren't carrying the virus, my kids' schoolmates aren't carrying the virus, it would have gone a long way. it's possible but we're not there yet. it's possible but why aren't we doing this? we're five months into combating this. >> i don't know. >> that's a finance. >> let me say, pamela, i think there's been a deemphasis on testing for a long time, and i think it's manifesting itself. we've heard, there's no secret, if you don't test, you won't find the cases. that's obviously not true from a public health standpoint. it may have manifested into we still don't have widely available accurate testing people can get to return to their lives. we still don't have it. president the president is dismissing cdc guidance on reopening schools and cdc would not apply the guidelines. you're not only a doctor, you're a parent. what message does that send? >> i think the parent hat is more important. every parent wants to make sure their kids' school is as safe as possible. we're not asking for brand-new technologies here. talking about doing things to make it harder for this virus to jump from person-to-person, distance, masks, basic hygiene, no gatherings within the school. all those things that probably are common sense to most people right now. pamela, you're right. as a parent, everybody wants their school to be as safe as possible. why would you think about dialing back guidelines in the middle of a pandemic. these are important things that you don't find too onerous. again, spacing desks 6 feet apart, wearing masks, hand hygiene. all the things people would assume anyway. >> there's practicality some classrooms can't do that. they don't have the space. it's not -- it appears to not be a one-size-fits-all approach here. i want to get your reaction to the florida governor ron desantis talking about florida's decision to reopen all the schools there. listen to this. >> if you can do home depot, if you can do walmart, you can do these things, we absolutely can do the schools. i want our kids to be able to minimize this education gap that i think has developed. >> he is saying this as florida has seen a single day record of 120 deaths, as you see on your screen. what is your reaction to that? >> well, i mean, as a parent i want my kids to go to school in the fall. absolutely. if that can happen in a safe as possible way, i would like that to happen. the problem where i live, the problem in florida, as you're mentioning, there's a lot of virus spreading there right now. there was a great study, pamela that said take all these things closing theaters, stadiums, concert, business, whatever, what's the impact on the overall spread. they said closing down school in one study between 2 and 4%. not a huge impact but it's an impact. if you have 10,000 people newly infected every day, 2 to 4% turns out to be a huge impact. if the numbers are down to take couple hundred a day, then you would think a lot less to lose in terms of impact on the community. >> do you think it's a fair comparison, running an errand and going to home depot and sending your kids to school? is that a fair comparison. >> no, for a public health standpoint you're next to reach other longer period of time. stores and things like that, there's a risk there obviously. it's a much different environment. schools are part of your life. those are occasional trips. >> dr. sanjay gupta. tune in coronavirus facts and fears hosted by dr. sanjay gupta and anderson cooper. >> president trump and his money. the supreme court ruling against the president. the white house says it's a victo victory. we'll explain. plus a normally healthy 16-year-old girl, teenager, now in the hospital battling coronavirus. her aunt joins me ahead with a message you need to hear. you can't predict the future. but a resilient business can be ready for it. a digital foundation from vmware helps you redefine what's possible... now. from the hospital shifting to remote patient care in just 48 hours... to the university moving hundreds of apps quickly to the cloud... or the city government going digital to keep critical services running. you are creating the future-- on the fly. and we are helping you do it. vmware. realize what's possible. little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines, and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. well the names have all changed since you hung around but those dreams have remained and they've turned around who'd have thought they'd lead ya back here where we need ya welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. turning to our politics lead now, the president is not above the law. that is the bottom line from two major rulings from the supreme court today. at the center of it, president trump's financial records an his tax returns. the court ruled against president trump in both cases 7-2. on the first case, the justice has said new york prosecutors can subpoena his financial records even while he is in office but a lower court needs to make that decision. the other case, congress wanted to subpoena trump's financial documents. that is going back to a lower court, too. congress will need to give more specifics including why it wants those documents. conservative leaning chief justice john roberts and trump appointed justices brett kavanaugh and neil gorsuch siding against the president. joining me to discuss is legal analyst jeff riff toobi-- jeffr toobin, kaitlan collins. first to you. what does this mean for the president and the office of the presidency? >> it means from a practical sense for the second time donald trump will face the voters without disclosing his tax returns. even though the court legally ruled against the president, as a practical matter they sent the case back for further pleadings, which will certainly take more than the few months left before the election. so in a cynical way, the president had its way. he is now facing the virtual certainty that the district attorney in manhattan will eventually get his records as a part of a criminal investigation. that's an unnerve thing. i don't know if the president committed a crime but if there's evidence of the crime, it will be in the hands of prosecutors but will happen all after election. >> elliot, what does that mean in terms of what the public can see, fax returns, financial documents and what congress can get from the president? >> again, i think either party, the public and congress, aren't going to see any documents any time soon just as jeffrey said. look, big picture, just to use a legal term, let's not forget and use a legal term here. the president got it from the supreme court, resounding defeat from the president. any attempt to spin this, because it will take a long time before congress and the public will see his tax returns doesn't change the time for the fourth time in history you have a president where the supreme court ruled against them noting the president isn't above the law and is subject to the same legal process as any other citizen. again, there's legal questions -- as jeffrey said, legal questions and political ones and the public just won't -- the president was able to be elected in 2016 without his tax information made available to the public and he will face election in 2020 with that likely being the same case. now, again, that's a question for the voters and to some extent that's not a question for the supreme court to resolve but it's an unfortunate where the political process is, where the president can get away with concealing financial information from the scrutiny of voters. >> go ahead. i thought -- >> and congress, too. >> and you know, the white house press secretary, she was pressed on all of this today and here is what she said about the ruling. >> this was a win for the president. the justices did not rule against him. >> and then moments after that, this is what the president said about the decision. >> from a certain point i'm satisfied. from another point i'm not satisfied. frankly, this is a political witch hunt. >> so kaitlyn, is this a win for the president, is he not satisfied? did he take it personally two of the justices he appointed ruled against him. >> the president didn't answer our questions on that. we were trying to ask him that after he gave us the first reactions. he wouldn't tell you how he felt about it. he used them as his justices. what you heard from the president, some parts i'm satisfied, some parts i'm not. twitter tells a different story he's clearly not happy with the decision. his attorney jay sekulow who argued it before the supreme court is viewing it as a temporary victory. he's right the president can make objections to what's happening in new york but they argued against a sitting president is immune from the investigation. they argued, does he disagree with that from the white house. they said he maintains position he has immunity while in office which the supreme court roundly rejected today. >> that's absolutely right. they did. when you look how the justices came down, let's look at that list. you have chief justice roberts with conservative justices kavanaugh and gorsuch siding with the majority. as we talked about trump appointed kavanaugh and gorsuch. was this a surprise to you? what do you think? >> not really, because the president's claim was so outrage and so outside the traditions of american law. when you had the supreme court unanimously say that president nixon had to turn over the white house tapes in 1974 and unanimously say in 1998 that bill clinton had to sit for the civil deposition in the paula jones sexual harassment case, the idea that the president could not be subpoenaed at all was just completely ridiculous. even the two justices who voted for him, clarence thomas and samuel alito, they didn't buy that argument either. so the court did say that the president is not above the law, but the law is going to work slowly and that will probably work to the president's political advantage. >> it appears that way. all right. jeffrey toobin, elliot williams, thank you. kaitlan, stick around. dr. fauci says division among americans is hurting efforts to get coronavirus under control, and now there is a new, very public division between the president and his health officials. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i'from newday usa. fic news for veteran homeowners interest rates have dropped to record lows. one call can save you $3,000 a year. newday's va streamline refi lets you refinance without having to verify your income, without getting your home appraised, and without spending one dollar out of pocket to get it done. it is the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered. can leave you holding your breath. ♪ but bristol myers squibb is working to change things. by researching new kinds of medicines that could help you live longer. including options that are chemo-free. because we're committed to bringing new hope into lung cancer care. from grills to play setsutdoor to bringing new hope and more one of a kind finds. it all ships free. and with new deals every day you can explore endless options at every price point. get your outdoor oasis delivered fast so you can get the good times going. ♪ wayfair. you've got just what i need. ♪ iredefined the wordng th'school' this year. it's why, at xfinity, we're committed to helping kids keep learning through the summer. and help college students studying at home stay connected through our university program. we're providing affordable internet access to low income families through our internet essentials program. and this summer, xfinity is creating a virtual summer camp for kids at home- all on xfinity x1. we're committed to helping all families stay connected. learn more at xfinity.com/education. >> one of the problems we're facing is that in the middle of trying to fight an unprecedented, historic pandemic, there is still divisiveness. there's divisiveness politically. we can see that when we look at the different viewpoints people take towards this. we are all in this together, and we can get through this. >> in our politics lead dr. anthony fauci pleading with americans to unite in the fight against coronavirus. as president trump continues to publicly clash with his own health experts. as kaitlan collins reports the back to school guidelines is the latest example of trump bucking science and playing politics with the pandemic. >> with only weeks before some schools are scheduled to reopen, more confusion is emerging from the cdc today. >> for guidelines that are guidelines but we are going to provide additional reference documents to aid basically communities that are trying to reopen k through 12. >> cdc director dr. robert redfield now says his guidance opening schools after president trump criticized it but will release additional information instead. >> it's not a provision of the guidelines, just additional information to help schools be able to use the guidance we put forward. >> yesterday trump said the guidance was too tough and expensive. officials have struggled to say exactly what trump has a problem with. >> which guidelines are too tough? which guidelines are impractical? >> i think it's important, george, to realize you use the word "guidelines." that's what cdc has done, they provide guidances, not requirements. >> with the president and cdc on different occasions maryland's republican governor larry hogan says it's trump who is mixed up. >> i'm not confused, i think it's the president who is confused. the governors seem to know exactly -- we knew exactly what the cdc was talking about. >> asked how the administration will not tell how schools will open but will see when, kayleigh mcenany said this. >> too high to shut schools down. >> how can you say you're float going to tell them how to reopen but when to reopen. >> there's 47 guidelines issued by the states. there's local guy lines that have been put in place. this can be done safely. this can be done well. >> when you do testing to that extent -- >> also trump repeated his inaccurate assertion there's more cases in the u.s. because there's more testing claiming if half the people were tested, there would be half the cases. again, that's not true even according to his own health experts. >> that's an indication you do have additional infections. >> the trump administration is also being accused of politicizing the reopening of schools by threatening to cut off funding if some of them don't reopen. dat education secretary claimed money could go towards a conservative cause, school choice. >> if schools aren't going to reopen, we're not suggesting pulling funding from education but instead let families take that money and figure out where their kids can get educated. >> now, pam, we were out in the rose garden with the president and he repeated his assertion he thinks if students in germany can go back to school, then we should be fine to do so in the united states. though, of course, he did not note the vast differences in how the two countries have handled the coronavirus pandemic and how germany flattened the curve successfully while clearly the united states has not. >> right. there was a national standard in german not in the u.s. stay with us. we're joined by seema, medical analyst and cdc detective. thanks for coming on. you have the american health association saying, quote, the trump administration's reported pressuring for center for disease control wrongly makes educators, students and parents political pawns and could have deadly consequences during covid-19 epidemic. in your view, does reopening too soon have deadly consequences? >> it absolutely can. pamela, we've seen this before. right now saying cdc guidelines on school reopening are too tough. it wasn't that long ago he was saying the same thing about guidelines for businesses reopening. those guidelines were revived. infect what we're learning today is businesses were given the leeway to rewrite their own reopening rules. how we saw that manifest was the crisis we're in now where we're seeing record case counts day by day. so the apa is completely right here. yesterday we saw the president say cdc would be revived. today the cdc director himself says no, they won't. you have 76 million school kids, teachers and parents saying what do we do, then. people are left in the dark. >> kaitlan, dr. yasmin pointed to this -- >> not a doctor yet. >> not yet, kaitlan but well on your way. dr. yasmin pointed out they pressured states to reopen businesses and now the same states have surging businesses and increased positivity rates like in florida. did the president learn anything from that? what are you hearing from sources. >> the white house happened seemed to acknowledge that. those were the very states we're touting. they invited ron desantis into the oval office. we were there that day. he took a victory lap how florida handled the cases so far. now that's the danger of taking a victory lap. tomorrow the president is flying to one of the worst hot spots in the country right now, miami-dade county, where he's doing a briefing on drug trafficking and attending a fundraiser and the white house has said they do not have really any qualms about going there and taking this big contingency with him despite the fact cases are really high there and the hospitals already say they are overwhelmed by what's going on. >> yeah. it goes along with this theme from the white house that, hey, there's nothing to see here. when you look at the data, dr. yasmin, and you are seeing a surge of cases, a surge in hospitalizations and deaths in some areas. when you look at reopening schools, reopening businesses, wearing a face mask, getting testing, it's all become so politicized and partisan. today's white house event with hispanic american leaders you can see in this video we're showing right here, in this video at least, no one is wearing a mask. so what do you make of the administration's attempts to push reopening early and go against the advice of the president's own health experts? >> it's completely in line with how we've seen the administration respond to this pandemic, pamela. so it's not shocking at this point, but it is extremely troubling. also this false narrative we keep hearing, right? of course we're seeing more cases, it's because we're doing more testing. that's not it. we're also seeing deaths increase. we're also seeing hospitalization rates, the record of those broken in eight states and we're not hearing this truthful messaging, actually the number of positive tests that's what's coming back higher. we're being lied to about the extent of this crisis and it's only going to get worse until we have science-led policy. >> very quickly, what's the significance of a higher positivity rate to the average person? what does that mean? why is that important? >> let's use dallas county, texas, a few weeks ago one in ten tests coming back positive for covid-19, now it's closer to one in four. it's saying, yes, you might be ramping up testing in your area but that doesn't explain why so many more people are infected. what's really happening is infection rates are truly on the rise. in houston we're learning there's been an uptick of people dying at home on covid diagnosed in their autopsy. they aren't even being tested when they are alive, registering in case counts which are already so high. >> all right. thank you so much, doctor. kaitlan collins, appreciate you both coming on. >> all right. coming up the rnc moved next month's convention to florida. why are republicans scouting more locations? 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was it clear that she had covid initially? >> no. fever and nauseous. she had a fever, you know, maybe the bug. yeah, it wasn't your first initial shortness of breath. it was more nausea and vomiting. you know, she went to the er. they sent her home, tested her because she didn't have enough symptoms. two days later it changed so quick and she was admitted. >> they didn't even test her. >> the first time, yeah. >> she's still in the hospital, as we know, with her mother, but her mother cannot leave and no one else can go visit. i can't imagine how hard this has been for the whole family. my mom had been in the icu and we couldn't visit her when she was in critical condition. it's awful. tell us how it's been for you? >> i mean, i put myself in their shoes. my sister has not left the hospital. my brother-in-law had to quarantine at home. he's still at home. just waiting, waiting this out, just seeing -- hoping today we got the best news. >> absolutely. >> you see in the media images of young people at bars, parties, downplaying coronavirus. what is your message to them? 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