Me, its the white houses own guidelines that the president is encouraging protests against. The president s policy says you cant start to reopen under his plan until you have declining numbers for 14 days which those states and my state do not have. So then to encourage people to go protest the plan that you just made recommendations on, on thursday, it just doesnt make any sense. Doesnt make any sense indeed. Despite all this, as cnns nick watt reports, some states are now beginning to scale back restrictions. Reporter there are protests against stayhome orders now spreading, fanned perhaps by the president. There is some relaxation some places. South carolina expected to open stores and beaches tuesday, which were open all weekend in jacksonville, florida, with social distancing rules flagrantly flouted. I think that decision was reckless. It shows you how undisciplined the leadership of this country has been, because we do not have a consistent message. Reporter and there are hotspots. Chicago, boston, philadelphia. While our leaders struggle to balance the pain of the virus i had the sense that i was drowning at certain points. I was unable to even stand. Reporter with the pain of the shutdown. It may be a year or more before a vaccine or medicine frees us from periodically returning to safer at home. But let me be clear. We cannot stay indoors for six or seven months without risking an even greater economic catastrophe. Reporter one influential model suggests just these four states can safely open first on may 4th. Still, two weeks from today. What we want is a level that a state can comfortably move to a containment stage. Reporter that level is one new case per day, per 1 million people. For example, new york state would need fewer than 20 cases per day. Right now theyre still seeing more than 5,000. All large events in the city, concerts, parades, were just canceled through june. You dont need protests to convince anyone in this country that we have to get back to work and we have to get the economy going and we have to get out of our homes. Nobody. The question is going to become, how, when, how fast. Reporter apparently at one new case per million per day, a state will have the capacity to care for that patient and also trace and test their contacts. In the u. S. , were testing around 150,000 people a day. Harvard researchers say that must more than triple to over 500,000 a day for us to reopen right. Social distancing has been an effective tool so far, its been a blunt tool. We need to take a little more surgical approach if we are to think about returning back to normal. Reporter bottom line unless we get the virus under control, the Real Recovery economically is not going to happen. Reporter and today, a shoutout from Governor Cuomo of new york for the disproportionately black and brown americans who are out there working right now, the essential workers. As cuomo said, while most of us are staying home dealing with cabin fever, they are out there dealing with the virus. This is Health Workers but also Grocery Store workers, other essential workers. Cuomo says they deserve more money, they deserve hazard pay. He said, why not a 50 bonus. Jake . Black and brown americans being hit disproportionately hard by the coronavirus, according to stats. Nick watt in los angeles. Were joined by cnns chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. Sanjay, were seeing jacksonville opening beaches. The virus is in a downslope in the u. S. Do you think these measures are you know, lifting these restriction is premature . I think so, jake. I mean, look, the one constant in all this is the virus. The virus is still out there. It is still very contagious. And jake, i remember talking about some of these models with you, and all these models have been all over the place. We looked at models that predicted that sadly, some 60,000 people would die by august 4th. That was one of the models from the university of washington. That was one of the ones being touted obviously at the white house. What are we now, its april 20 and were at i think some 40,000 people have died. I mean, april 20, that was august 4, 60,000 people. My point is, and again, i get no joy at all in talking about this this way, but were way ahead now, according to some of these models. The numbers nearly doubled in terms of these tragic deaths since last week and now were thinking about reopening. The data speaks for itself. We have to follow the data, the evidence. Its tough, i think all around, but i think it speaks for itself. Now were starting to get some more specific numbers from dr. Fauci and others in terms of what kind of testing is needed. Weve always said more testing but what does that mean . It was important to define that. And were starting to get definition of that. We do about 150,000 tests a day, roughly, a lot better than we were before. But in order to just test the people that really need to be tested, the Health Care Workers and front line workers that nick watt was just talking about, obviously people who have some sort of symptoms, you would require three times that, close to 500,000 tests a day, you know, jake. Were not there yet. Its not clear that we have the capacity yet, or the swabs or the reagents or whatever the way. So reopening is premature, i think. Ive heard from governors that the swabs, reagents, other things that are necessary to have along with the testing kits, are also in short supply. And youre talking about harvard suggests it needs to be 3. 5 million tests done, conducted every week. Right now were at about 1. 5 million. So weve got a lot of ways to go. Governor cuomo saying today hospitals across new york are expected to deliver results from hydroxychloroquine tests to the fda and the cdc. This is of course the drug that some have hopes for as a treatment, not a vaccine but a treatment. But it also has tremendous side effects. President trump often talks about the drug as a possible treatment. Do we have a preliminary read on these test results yet . We dont. All we know from this specific results is they were sent to the department of health and Human Services, the fda. And we should get those results, jake. These are governmentfunded studies, some 10,000 doses of the medication went to new york. That doesnt mean 10,000 patients, because oftentimes its given twice a day for several days. But nevertheless, we should get these results. I will tell you that its still early. Whether the results show no effect, significant side effects, or some effect, these are all early studies. I can tell you, were starting to get a trickle of information from sweden, where the guidance is dont give this medication outside of Clinical Trials anymore. From france, where some of the earliest studies that were done now show toxic side effects at higher doses. And brazil, where theyve also not recommended to use this medication outside of trial. Whether its good or bad in terms of what we see, we need the data, still. Just like you, jake, just like everybody, i want to see a therapeutic work. But i dont want people to be hurt and i dont want people to have false hope. We need to see the data on this, that data is something we deserve to see. Im sure as soon as the fda or hhs analyze it, well get a look. The virus is not just affecting the respiratory system in patients, their ability to breathe and scarring of the lungs. Thats evidence now of cardiac impairment, problems with their hearts. Yes, the idea that a respiratory virus would primarily affect the lungs was a good assumption, but pretty early on doctors started to see other organ systems affected. First they thought the lungs are not oxygenating the blood therefore other organ systems are getting injured by the lack of oxygenated blood. But now it seems like Something Else is going on. Take a look at the list of various symptoms we see with the Central Nervous system and cardiac system. People were having symptoms that seemed like they were having a concurrent heart attack or something but it was unclear, there was also so much inflammation causing these problems. The top that have list, jake, is blood clotting. Typically blood clotting would be a good thing in somebody who is having bleeding, for example, obviously. But in some cases blood clotting can also be evidence of a pretty significant illness, a precursor to shock, septic shock in the body. Also with regard to neurological symptoms, youll remember, jake, people at times would complain of go like loss of smell. It would be the only symptom they would have. And at first it was just sort of an oddity but then they realized it was sometimes the first symptom of this covid illness along with things like dizziness, headache, seizures even. Theres Something Else going on here, jake. Ive talked to a lot of people over the weekend, people studying this. Is this something this virus is specifically doing to the blood, making the blood less able to carry oxygen . Is it causing widespread inflammation affecting all these organ systems . Theres Something Else going on, probably why younger people are affected in ways that are sometimes surprising. We need to figure that out. President trump says he wants to send investigators to china over the various issues including transparency. The Chinese Government obviously has hid a lot of information from its own people as well as the world. You spoke with the head of the cdc, dr. Robert redfield, about this as far back as february. What did he have to say about it then . This was middle of february. I was curious, we heard that all the cases of people exposed to this infection were exposed to this wet market, and that the transmission was animals to humans. And then i read that a third of the original patients had no contact with this market. I wanted to understand what did we know and when. I asked dr. Robert redfield about that, again, midfebruary. Take a listen. Do you, as head of the cdc, trust the information coming out of china . This outbreak did start earlier, and it did have evidence of human to human transmission earlier than our chinese colleagues at least publicly appreciated or even in the discussions i had with my counterpart. What do you think it is . I think its above the medical. Do you think its a political decision . I think its above the medical. You think its a political position . All i can say is its above the director of cdc because i know he would love to have this information. Jake, if you listen closely there, he says, not only publicly was this information not being transmitted, but even in these sort of closed transmissions between the cdc, dr. Robert redfield wasnt being told this either. So there was a real lack of transparency on some of the core issues here, jake. The Chinese Government keeping this information from the cdc and from their own people. Dr. Sanjay gupta, thank you so much, appreciate it. Be sure to listen to sanjays podcast on apple podcasts or wherever you access podcasts. Polls show a majority of americans support a slow, responsible return to work. So what is driving this small but very visible and very vocal minority to these protests around the country . Then a source telling cnn how a mistake in one lab slowed the u. S. Response to the coronavirus by weeks with serious repercussions, thats ahead. Limu emu doug [ siren ] give me your hand i can save you. 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People were right next to each other, many of them, many, many of them not Wearing Masks at all, ignoring the social distancing guidelines from the president himself. All of this taking on sort of a feeling of a Trump Campaign rally, a protest against the quarantine rules, a religious revival, and even a pretty large segment of Second Amendment rights individuals. So it was a lot of different voices. And for many of them, the coronavirus, the pandemic, they just feel its politics at its worst and that its democrats essentially trying a coup by pandemic, jake. Thats obviously insane. Jeff, what do we know about who is organizing some of these rallies . Obviously Everyone Wants things to go back to normal, Everyone Wants to go back to work when its safe to do so, but these people seem to want to go back to work even before its safe to do so. Reporter jake, no question theres a loose Organization Behind all of these. I was at one of those protests in michigan that got so much attention, it inspired the other protests were seeing into the week here. The one in michigan was organized by the michigan conservative coalition, a loose group of likeminded individuals who organized the tea party rallies more than a decade ago. Thats what were seeing here, if not the same people, in some cases it is, certainly the same mindset across the country. There is an organization of people who certainly are in favor of limited government and theyre protesting this as an economic argument, saying these closed businesses are hurting their bottom line. Jake, the bottom line actually, this is a political argument. This is an argument to bolster the president s call to reopen the economy. But the irony in all of this, these very protesters, some of whom are Holding Trump flags, are protesting the president s own guidelines. None of these states actually meet the qualifications that the white house laid out last week in terms of the threephased approach. Thats whats so odd here, these protesters are actually protesting the president , although theyre not saying there, they say theyre protesting the democratic governor in pennsylvania. President trump is even encouraging protesters who are taking issue with President Trumps own guidelines. Miguel, Ohio Governor mike dewine says Small Business owners have told him they dont want to open right now if that means closing again in a few weeks. Its a delicate balance for many of these governors, democrats and republicans. Reporter very much so. Even voters out there. Most americans, democrats or republicans, think that its better to err on the side of caution and keep things closed down for a bit longer than to go back to work. 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