Your feet to the fire. Plus, the white house leaping into a further National Debate telling schools to let transgender boys and girls pick the restroom they choose or pay the price. Welcome to the lead. Im john berman and in for jake tapper today. The view that Donald Trumps taxes are not anyones business or a flatout strange recording that trump used to pretend to be a different person to play the part of his own publicist. Chief Political Correspondent dana bash is joining us now. Trump had a lot to accomplish this week. The question is, did he . He seemed to. Republicans are ending this week less divided than one week ago but there were several notes that didnt exactly hit the way Republican Leaders would have preferred. Reporter even as Republican Leaders are getting more comfortable with donald trump, there are reminders that the billionaire, the top of their ticket, makes more miles of unchartered political terrain, like his refusal, so far, to release his tax returns. What is your tax rate . Its none of your business. Youll see it when i release. I fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. Reporter the last gop nominee, mitt romney, dragged his own feet on disclosing his tax returns but eventually relented. Today, a Republican Party spokesperson told cnn its up to trump but mr. Trump has to make a decision sooner rather than later about whether to release his tax returns. Reporter trump seemed to soften his stance on muslims before meeting with Republican Leaders who oppose it. Today he insisted he would push the muslim ban as president. Im not the president right now. Anything i suggest is really a suggestion and if i were president , id put in legislation and do whatever i have to do. Reporter when a former longtime trump butler argued president obama, should have been taken out by our military and shot as an enemy agent, trump acted fast saying through a spokeswoman, we totally and completely disavow the horrible statements made by him regarding the president. And how a guy like trump is not a traditional politician, newly released recordings that swirled about trump from the 90s. That john miller was really trump pretending to be his own spokesperson when dealing with reporters about his business dealings or divorces. Hes always treated her well and treated his wife well. Reporter today, trump denied that was him. I have many, many people trying to imitate my voice and you can imagine that. This sounds like one of the many scams. Doesnt sound like me. And the Trump Campaign is still working, certainly beginning to do so, with the Republican National committee to meld resources for the general election. That does mean for the first time trump will have to care just a bit what donors think and my understanding in talking to sources is that several are concerned about his tax returns, both his refusal to release them and then whats in them once he does. John . Nothing so fickle as a donor and never shy about sharing their opinions. Dana bash, thank you so much. I want to zero in on the recorded phone calls with People Magazine, the voice inflection and the tone. A lot of people say it sounds like donald trump but the businessman, you just heard it, he insists it is not. Drew griffin looked into this recorded call. Drew, what have you learned . John, if this is not him, an audio expert we talked to this afternoon said its a masterful job of sounding almost exactly like him. The fact is, the secret Public Relations man in Donald Trumps past may have never been a real secret. The ream amazing story of Donald Trumps old spokesman may be that its been such an open secret for so long that its hard to believe that anyone is still questioning it. What is your name . John miller. It was back in the 1980s when the flashy new york native needed to get news out. The newspaper reports it was Common Knowledge among new york reporters that trump just assumed a different name and handled the media calls himself, like this call from reporter sue at People Magazine concerning his breakup with marla maples. What kind of comment is that . Well, it just that he really decided that he wasnt he didnt want to make a commit. That he is coming out of a marriage and he thought it was too soon to make any commitment. So what is going to happen with she being asked to leave or is she going to be allowed to stay . Well, he treats everybody well, you know, you dont know him. Have you met him . Yes. Hes a good guy. He doesnt have a lot of options and frankly he gets called by everybody. He gets called by everybody in the book in terms of women. Reporter if that john miller sounds like trump, its because audio forensic expert tom owen says, in his opinion, it is. I can conclude with a fair degree of scientific certainty that it is Donald Trumps voice. And then in the 1990s on larry king live, he couldnt use his bio metric analysis that he says would be absolutely certain, but based on pitch, tone, cadence and expertise, john miller and donald trump are one in the same. Yes, its my opinion that its Donald Trumps voice. Reporter and admitted under oath in a 1990 court testimony, i believe on occasion ive used that name. Trump was confronted with the taped phone call and the Washington Post story on fridays today show. No, i dont think i dont know anything about it. Youre telling me about it for the first time and it doesnt sound like my voice at all. I have many, many people trying to imitate my voice and you can imagine that and this sounds like one of the scams, one of the many scams. It doesnt sound like me. John, why would he use fake names and fake Public Relations spokespersons in the first place . It was a way to deliver his tough positions on real estate deals, failures or even relationships without getting his hands dirty. And according to one trump biographer, its a trick he may have learned from his dad fred trump who was also known in the new York Real Estate press as mr. Green. John . One fewer spokesperson you have to hire, i suppose. Drew griffin, thanks so much. I want to talk more about this right now with political commentator amanda commentator and Mark Lamont Hill and maggie. You were a young reporter but youve covered things going on in new york for some time. These stories have been out there. Thanks for calling me young. He reportedly said under oath that he may have on occasion used one of these names. This is not a surprise to people around new york, as was said before. Its amazing that this hasnt come up more. This might be a surprise to the 100 million voters or so who havent taken part in either Party Primary and are just learning more about donald trump. Its a reminder that he comes from this world of new York Real Estate, you know, which has a nexus with celebrity and culture and may not seem so normal outside of it and its hard to explain, he says its not him, your expert suggests it was him. If it was him, theres probably a lot to be gained by just saying, yes, it was me, it was a prank or how i did things and then move on but hes now going to get asked about this again. If it was him, he said it wasnt and then hes going to have to answer for why he said it wasnt him, which is going to be interesting. Its going to be difficult to definitively prove that it wasnt him but it certainly sounds like him by the tone of the voice and the way the person on the phone talked. Amanda, you think it could be an issue going beyond whether or not it was him. You think the fact that he did this even though it was decades ago could be damaging. Yes. Because if he lied about it, he misrepresented himself to the press for improving his public image as it pertains to women. This has direct application today to how donald trump conducts himself as a public figure. Its not necessarily the act. Its the coverup and the lying and it would be easy for him to say, hey, heres joe miller, the guy i hired as my pr guy. He sounds just like me. He hasnt done that yet. I think hes going to have to admit that it was him and then explain why he would continually misrepresent himself to the press for the purpose of improving public image and why he felt so compelled to do this to clear up questions about his marriage. We talk all the time about the way he treats women and so i dont think this is a subject he wants to address but hes opened the door wide open. Devils advocate here, Mark Lamont Hill, this was the new york tabloid world of the 1990s, the wacky daffy tabloid pages, page 6 and whatnot. What damage was done in p pretending to be a flack. I think that no damage is really done by this. Nobody really cares. I wish this were a bigger deal. If anything, it speaks to trumps narcissism. He could have hired a publicist and told him what to say but he wanted to manipulate the press. This feels like a quintessential trump thing to do. What is more damaging, and amanda is right, he got caught in the moment and instead of saying i goofed, it was chief media, meant nothing to me, i wasnt a politician back then, instead of just saying that, he doubles down on the lie and hes caught in this web of lies that only will get more and more expanded when we prove theres no person named mr. Miller. But will that even affect him right now . I want to play some sound which is interesting given that it comes from some time ago of john miller, whoever john miller might be, talking about how the press treats donald trump, whoever that might be. Listen. Ive never seen somebody immune to the bad press four months ago and now hes starting to get good press. I dont know what you would call this, big press, but ive never seen somebody so immune to it and actually thrive on the bad press initially. John miller has a pretty combination of what donald trump is like right there. Hes immune to bad press and always gets big press. Some people may say its the donald trump of today. I do agree with mark, i dont think this in and of itself is not going to damage him. Its a weird story but i think in the realm of things that you hear about trump, i think it will probably slide off. You do wonder how many other recordings exist in the new york tabloid world or from People Magazine. To be fair to trump, people who work for trump often sound a lot like trump in terms of the things that they say. They tend to mimic his cadence and language. That in and of itself is not a huge difference. All right. Will not hurt trump or hurt people that support trump. People are saying that about a great many other issues affecting trump. Much more to talk about specifically on that front. Namely, new questions on other news and politics. New questions about the Clinton Foundation and where it allegedly steered millions of dollars. Now former president bill clinton is responding. Thats next. Flap the color of our bottle. To help spread the word, we made tshirts reach for the orange, its 100 shmorange like you are asking for change. Hardworking americans. And the bud light partys delivering that change. Jackpot still the same refreshing bud light, with a new look but ive managed. E Crohns Disease is tough, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. 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So now its coming back. But they say that this specific company, its called impact investing, that they are investing in a new Energy Company here to try and do good things, help people insulate their houses. Now, the question is, this company has not succeeded. Its essentially defunct or has a new mission here. Theres no specific allegation that any laws were broken here. Its one of those things. So much money floating around from so many donors, it does raise the question, you know, exactly this foundation, is it going to be a problem politically for secretary clinton . And certainly donald trump seized on it today. What did he say about it today . He went after it specifically. Lets listen to sound that i think we have this morning from fox friends. This is what he said. Its a bombshell. Theres no doubt about it. I assume you put the word charity in quotes . He said right there, the word charity should have been in quotes for the clinton charity. Look, donald trump is going to keep going after this. Hes specifically going after one person who was after one of the investors who is a close friend of the clintons. He raised the questions this morning, how close of a friend she actually is here. Jake, this is just the opening volley of what is a new chapter in this campaign as we have Donald Trumps audiotapes from 25 years ago and 24 years of new material here since bill clinton was elected that is going to be chewed a ever again and again and again. Indeed. Jeff zeleny, thank you so much. Amanda carpenter, Mark Lamont Hill and maggie haberman. Theres an issue of transparency that relates to both campaigns, with the Clinton Foundation and questions being asked about what money went where and to whom and then transparency when it comes to donald trump and his taxes, will he release his tax returns . He says no. The irs says thats crazy. Theres no problem at all. If there is this transparency battle going on right now, does either candidate win . I think the voters are going to lose, quite frankly. Both candidates have problems and a reluctance to make what i think are proper Financial Disclosures to the public, so the voters can see how these candidates have conducted their business in their personal lives throughout their careers. But you kind of have this standoff between both top candidates if they both refuse to do it. Donald trump is going to say im not going to release my tax returns and the clintons say im not going to be forthcoming about the Clinton Global Foundation and how can either candidate make a clean argument against the other . They are not going to bring it up against each other and voters and reporters can continue to badger the candidates to shame them into doing it but there is nothing that will make them do it. Voters deserve better. Mark, i heard a grunt in the air. What was that for . I dont think they are apples to apples. I dont think the clintons said were not going to be transparent about the financials of the foundation whereas the donald trump has said im not going to release the tax records. While donald trump may not be forthcoming with his taxes, its not likely that hes doing anything legal, it may compromise his conservative bona fide and may be doing too much donations to Something Like planned parenthood. But again, lets be clear, the clintons have not been determined to do anything wrong and i dont want to suggest that they have. One thing with the transparency of Hillary Clinton, it doesnt have just to do with the global foundation. It goes to her emails and contributions to goldman sachs. There is a large transparency issue with Hillary Clinton that extends far beyond that. I want to talk about taxes for a minute of donald trump. He changed his tone today with george stephanopoulos. Hes been saying i want to release them but im not going to do it while i am being audited. George asked him what is your affected tax rate and donald trump said none of your business. Some would say he even snapped. None of your business. Thats an answer that i could see being what some voters might care about. They seem to care. Some voters cared about mitt romneys effective tax rate. I think it reminded me a lot of 2001 when Mike Bloomberg was running for mayor in new york city and they were all sitting elected officials and democrats, why has everybody else released their taxes and you havent and