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Youre in the Situation Room. We begin this hour with the intense scrutiny of the federal grand jury investigating donald trump and 2020 election interference. Anticipation about the panels next move running high right now as trump has acknowledged he may be indicted again, and he may be indicted soon. Cnns Senior Justice Correspondent Evan Perez is working the story for us. The federal grand jury was expected to meet today. Where do things stand tonight . We did not see them. Our casey gannon, who spends a lot of time in the court and that courthouse, was there today. And they typically show up on tuesdays and thursdays. And today, we did not see them. So the question remains, when is this going to happen . The former president was notified, as you pointed out, just over a week ago that an indictment could be coming. And so everything indicates that is still the case. That the former president is likely to be indicted by the Special Counsel. Its just a matter of when. Now, weve been its a bit of a guessing game. The last time there was more than three weeks between the time, a Target Letter and the time of the indictment. We dont anticipate that thats going to happen this time. Theres no indication the former president is asking to meet with the Justice Department to try to forestall this, to try to prevent this. Now its just a matter of whether the grand jury will show up on thursday. Now, theres a lot of things that could explain a delay. One of the possibilities is the fact that the Justice Department has another very big case that is coming to Court Tomorrow in delaware. Thats the case of hunter biden. Hes pleading guilty to a couple of tax crimes. And so thats one of the things that we know the Justice Department is very sensitive to. Obviously theres a lot of focus on that. And the idea of indicting the former president right before this other case is probably something that might raise some concerns on capitol hill. At this point, wolf, the possibility or the expectation is that were going to see this grand jury come into the courthouse and hand down an indictment, and then the former president will be notified, then hell tell the world about it. Well see what happens on thursday. Thats the next scheduled meeting of this grand jury. Evan, stay with us. I want to bring in more legal and political experts into this conversation. Elaccurate williams, how do you read the grand jury not meeting today . Is Hunter Bidens case a factor . Hunter bidens case could be a factor, but its hard to know how to read grand juries because virtually everything they do is secret. There could have been personal conflicts on the part of some of the prosecutors or some of the grand jurors for any other number of reasons. Its also important to note that though the Target Letter went out news of it was released last sunday, the former president had until thursday to respond or come in, signify he was coming in to the grand jury. Its really only been four days since that happened. In court terms thats not a long time. And not an incredibly unreasonable delay. So i think backing up evans point, an indictment is probably imminent and imminent can mean a matter of days or weeks when youre talking in prosecutor speak. Kaitlan collins is with us as well. Were learning, its 3 vg, giulianis team gave the Special Counsel a lot of documents about their outlandish and totally discredited Election Fraud claims. How much did they have trumps ear in the process, and how significant potentially are all these documents that were made available . Giuliani certainly was obviously a key player in those days. So he has drawn a level of fascination here, especially when he went and voluntarily sat down with prosecutors for two days back to back. When it comes to these documents, i think they really just speak to the level of unsubstantiated claims, false claims being passed around of voter fraud, when they had nothing to back it up. Something weve heard from top top officials to arizona what we know now. A lot of these documents coming from the former new York City Police commissioner, bernie kerik, who we also know is scheduled to sit down with jack smiths team in the coming weeks. I think that is a small part of this. I dont think its a significant part. But an important thing to note about the grand jury not meeting today, as were reading the tea leaves on this, trumps team is doing the exact same thing. They also dont have an indication of when this is going to happen. Theyre bracing for it, though. They certainly are. Stand by. Dana bash, trump is on the 2024 Campaign Trail Today in louisiana. A new poll shows 72 of republicans are not concerned that trumps indictments weaken him in a general election. What do you make of that . Were showing viewers our pictures of trumps arrival in new orleans. You see the trump plane there. Reporter thats consistent, wolf, with what we have seen since the former president had his first indictment on a state level in new york. In the spring. And that sentiment among republicans, who matter the most to imright now, because he wants to get the nom days when the voting starts early next year, they have rallied behind him. And theres no indication that that has changed. If anything, the indications are that his lead is becoming more and more cemented and that as he gets closer to another indictment, if hes driving in the race for president , hes looking in the Rearview Mirror and Everybody Else who is running, theyre getting smaller and smaller and smaller as he gets in more legal trouble. It is still something that weve almost come to accept with somebody like donald trump. But it is worth noting how incredibly unusual and upside down the sentiment is and this phenomenon is for anybody else who is not named donald trump. What do you make of these development on this the Campaign Trail and trumps mindset as he potentially faces yet another Criminal Indictment . One of thing ive been talking about the last few days is how all this is playing into his decision about that first debate. Were less than a month away from when theyre going to be on stage in milwaukee. Weve seen the candidates who are qualifying. Obviously trump meets the threshold. Right now based on the private conversations hes having, hes not planning on showing up. And thats despite people like rana mcdaniel, the Republican National committee chairwoman, going to him personally and urging him, making their case for why he needs to shown up. As his legal troubles are piling up, as you noted, how well hes doing in the polls and whether or not Republican Voters whether it registers and affects their support, its factoring into his thinking and what hes hearing from advisers whether or not its worth it for him to show up. That matters to people like ron desantis or tim scott, enablingky halley, these candidates who are trying to find momentum. They may not get it being on the stage with trump himself, potentially. Good point. Evan, back to the documents that were made available to the Special Counsel by giuliani and bernie kerik, his former Police Commissioner in new york. Thousands of pages. Thousands of pages. Whats so significant, potentially, about it . Whats fascinating to me, wolf, that the Special Counsels only now getting these documents at this late stage. Again, just within the last 48 hours. And it has to do with witness interviews, research that bernie kerik and his team were putting together, again, to try to support these false fraud claims. And we dont anticipate, just from reviewing the documents paula reid obtained them and we spent time going through them, our team did. And they dont appear to be directly related to affect the timing of a trump indictment. I think to kaitlans point, certainly the Justice Department and jack smiths office, theyre all very keenly aware of the calendar. They know that the first debate is just within a month. And so you have to believe that if theyre going to do this, they know they have the clock ticking. So the former president , if they decide theyre going to indict him and then perhaps come back and address some of the other people who were part of this, these efforts, these schemes to overturn the election, they could do that. But certainly i think it really tells you that certainly on those documents and some of the witnesses that we have coming up, they dont necessarily need them for a trump indictment. Dana, it seems that the rest of the gop field seems to be frozen in place right now. At least until this plays out. Where does all this go from here . Reporter i dont even know if its frozen in place. Its almost as if they are becoming less and less viable as donald trump becomes more and more potentially in the place of being indicted for a third time. Again, these are based on polls. It is the summer of the full year before they start voting. Were not going to see voting until just under six months. But given the way that this is playing and how he is playing it out, what kaitlan noted about the first chance for republican primary and caucus voters to see candidates on the stage, and the fact that as we see the former president feeling more solid in his frontrunner status, the less likely he is to be on the stage. It is a very, very big question whether or not things are going to change. And we dont know. Theres so many unknowns. But there are a lot of people looking at this saying, it could be almost done. We shall see. Thank you very, very much. Important note, kaitlan will be back at 9 00 p. M. Eastern later tonight with her show, the source. Well have a lot more on whats going on. Just ahead, live to ukraine for the latest on the fate of the former u. S. Marine and former captive of russia, trevor reed, after learning he was injured on the battlefield in the war zone in ukraine. Stay with us, youre in the situatioion room. And this is their r playground. 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Well, thats less impressive. The Morgan Stanley Client Experience . Listening more than talking, and a personalized plan to guide you through a changing world. Tonight, former u. S. Marine trevor reed has been getting medical care in germany after being wounded in the fighting in ukraine. His actions coming as a surprise to Many Americans after the u. S. Government went to Great Lengths to win his release from a russian prison. Cnns Alex Marquardt is joining us live from odesa, ukraine. First of all, what are you learning about trevor reed and his condition . Reporter wolf, this is just remarkable. Trevor reed coming to ukraine to fight against the country that held him for three years. What we do know is trevor reid was fighting in ukraine when he was injured. He was taken to kyiv for medical treatment, firstly. Then he was evacuated to germany. We understand hes now being treated at a u. S. Military medical facility, the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center near the ramstein air base. Wolf, theres still a lot of questions we dont have the answers to. Extent of injuries . Where was he when he was injured . What unit was he fighting with . Reed was held in russia in prison for three years, from 2019 until last year. The u. S. Determined he was wrongfully detained. He was traded last year for a russian pilot named constan 9 yare shen co, convicted by the u. S. For drug smuggling. The Biden Administration is making clear they do not want to see reed or others like him coming to ukraine, fighting in ukraine. We heard from u. S. Officials today saying that reed was not engaged in any activities on behalf of the u. S. Government. And the big question is to what extent this may complicate the administrations efforts to get other americans back from russia, notably paul whelan and the Wall Street Journal reporter, Evan Gershkgershkovic what draws fight tort ukrainian cause . What are you hearing . Reporter when it comes to the veterans who come here to fight, they tell us, i know how to fight, i believe in this fight, this is a fight for democracy and freedom. They want to come here and fight for the little guy who is being bullied. Wolf, on our last trip here in february, we spent time with an International Region unit. We met an american named jason mann who served as a marine in iraq and afghanistan. He said when this war started, he had no choice but to come here. Take a listen to a bit more of what he had to say. This is redefining the global order as we speak. This is democracy versus autocracy. Do we want to let Autocracy Drive more peoples lives in the future . For me it was more a moment in your life that you dont have a choice. No regrets . No regrets. Reporter we also met jason manns team leader, a New Zealander whose nickname was turtle. He was very matter of fact about the possibility of dying here in ukraine. But he said that if he had to, then no better way to go than to do so alongside Friends Fighting for what you believe in. And wolf, just a few days later, we did find out that turtle had died. Very sad indeed. Our thanks for that report. Lets get more on all of these develops. Joining us, cnn military analyst, retired air force colonel cedric layton. Thanks for joining us. Watch and listen to what the former defense secretary, mark esper, told me in the Situation Room in the last hour about who goes and fights in ukraine, and specifically about trevor reed. They want to help the ukrainians regain their freedom. They feel very strongly about that. So, you know, its admirable in many ways. Obviously in trevor reeds case, its likely complicated by the fact that he has sore feelings about moscow, for good reason. Maybe wants a little payback there. Whats your reaction to this development . Well, i think, wolf, you know its sad that trevor reed has been wounded in this particular situation. But its very clear that the motivation that he had and so many others have had is something that has been shared by americans for over 100 years. We went to france before we declared war on germany in world war i. Same thing in world war ii. Now with ukraine. You have a situation where so many people believe what jason mann said in the previous piece from alex, that this is a fight for democracy. And if you do it in ukraine, its better to do it there than to do it here on our home turf or in a nato country. I think thats the motivation that many of these people have. Probably was very much trevor reeds motivation as well. Do you think it will make it more difficult to get these other Americans Still being held by the russians home . It could. One of the big problems is, in the state department, theyre taking great pains to make sure that these events are even as separate because those people have absolutely nothing to do with whats happening in ukraine. But when you look at trevor reed and his situation, hes a military man, he clearly went to go to ukraine to fight that battle because he believed in it. And i think for people like the Wall Street Journal journalist and the other marine, paul whelan, you have a situation where those are separate and distinct cases. Hopefully the russians will see it that way. But the danger is certainly there that they wont. Colonel layton, thanks very much. Coming up, President Biden honors emmitt mill. A black teenager whose murder in the 1950s Helped Galvanize The Civil Right Movement here in the United States. Well take a look at why this is happening now and how it figures into a heated political debate about race education in the unUnited States. 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