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Ron goldman. Then watching simpson flee police in a white ford bronco at a angeles highway, people literally lining up on the road to see this kind of low speed chase. Cnn since tom form and certainly remembers time you covered what would be one of, if not honestly, the most historic highprofile murder trial in the United States of america. Yeah, i covered it along with i think eve National Correspondent in T Wesrn Hemphere at e time, jake, look, this was real just a ground shaking trial ll, it was absolutely la in the troom. Sometimes f you thought to yourself a little, this is really simply a cal muer trial. And yet the implicatio were so broad at the time, i think l of us do. It was changing our society and changing theay news would be covered. Forever r lese believe that that oj simpson is in that car forwo hours over 60 miles, almost 30 ars ago, the low speed pursuit of an American Icon became an american sensation. People were Leavingir Homes Antheir work and wherever they were and they were ring these overpasses. And when the white broncos stop pro j simon to face Murder Charges over the killing of his exwife, nicole brown anronald goldman. The Couny Wahooked and that s our first introducon into reality tv. And what it lookedike. And we were obsessed. Simpson was a superstar, a heismatrophy winner in college. One of them most dazzling Running Backs in nf in particular, runaway ies success. Nobody does it better than her juice s a beloved celebrity and commercials and movies how you buddyocsis ase on my been in this new and a week. And y his role as defendant eclipsed Everything Else thrgh 11 Nths Ocourt Proceedings and nonstop media covege. The nation was captivated by daily debates over dna edence, police, procure, and dramatic moments may hed for tv, if it doesnt fit, you must acquit when the verdict came down, not guilty of the crime of murder. My one estimate, 150 Million People watched live many splitting along racial lines over whether the ruling was just or just wrong its just im Assi Civil Suit by the victims Famies Didot Go as ordered to pay ts of millions damages he lost his house and heisman, Buthureds Of Thousands and Pension Funds are Amy Israteful for a verdict of responsibily, which is all we ever wted. Simpson had future legal problems two, in 2007, he was arrest after an Armed Robbery involving sports memorabilia, he said was his im sorry. I didnt mean to steal anything from anybody and i didnt know i was doing anything illegal. He wound up convicted and sentenced to 33 years in prison. He was paroled in 2017. And through it all, he maintained his innocence in the murders that changed his life. And American Society too, right now, im at a point in my life. Well, i want to do is spend time with my as much time as i can with my children and my friends and ive done my time im sure in so many ways, the brown and goldman families will say theyve done their time too, because theyve had to watch all these years of attention on simpson after that not guilty verdict, and to be sure, because of his pensions and the way they settled the for setup, he did not live in poverty. He was able to make a decent living for the rest of his lifeevenhough many ople on america always felt thverdt was unjust and could never get past that pot. Jak all right. Tom. Form. And thankso much. Lets bring and cncontributor bob costas. Bob, whats your reaion to Simpsons Death when you heard the news today . What did you think . Well, you can imagine someone who has such starkly different first and Second Chapters in their lives. The first chapter was entirely glorious, and the second, no matter how glorious and no matter how accomplished that, mhow much popularity in the first chapter, the Second Chapter there is going to be near the top of all the obituaries. Itll be in the first paragraph. Itll be Something Like oj simpson, Heisman Trophy winner 2000 yard rusher in the nfl, member of the pro football hall of fame, beloved Television Personality and commercial pitch man whose life fell apart when he was accused of the murder of his his exwife and her friend. Thats the way that first pair of paragraphs going to be everywhere. And i cant think of a starker contrast when you look back at the life of any prominent american so you knew simpson for years. I mean, he was that glorious figure for decades. You were friends with him at one point yes. Tell me what your reaction was when you first heard in 1994 that he was he was a suspect in the death of his wife and her friend. Yeah, my first reaction when i think it was on a monday when we heard about it my first reaction was, oh, my godwhat a terribleragedy. Four oj and his mily, then as the thing ben to play out, you heard he was a suspect and theny friday of that weethey we asking for his arrest and he was fleeing and he had been termed Augitive Fromustice at that point. So at that point, youegin to thk theres good rson to believe that hwas somehow invoed. Nolet me sayhis just as background oj simpson wasnt ju famoufoball player likable guy that kd of guy m. Who Woulremember Theame the intern Who Broughtou coffee when you got to the set on a sunday morning, the cover football, which we did together for four or five years on nbc, i had dinner with for the many times he came to Charity Events at my request, we played golf. He was a hail fellow. Well met. That contradictory aza may seem, doesnt point toward his innocence when all of the factors and all of the evidence would taken into account as youve laid out in the last hour very capably there was an intersection here of all kinds of dynamics. The history of Racial Injustice involving africanamericans in this country, the specific issue of the past behavior of the lapd and the feelings that African American citizens might have remain true. And oj simpson can still be guilty. You know, the the dna evidence with which barry shack and the Innocence Project have used to free hundreds of wrongly accused americans. Mosof them African Americans, to exonerate them, which is noble work. The truth is that, thadna evidence pointed toward oj simpsons guil not innocence, but all the overlapping factors and the cellent work done by his dream team of torneys was able to too obscure that essel fact. Re All The Social Issues T helped to exonerate oj, ue . Yes. But as he evidence the case itself, something that exonerates him. It must have been so other Worldly Foyou watch somedy who it soundsike was a frie and somebody who your relationship was, that he was this wonderful, generous guy. And then you hear all this evidence and see pictures of her, accordingo her sister, f and then come to t conclusion that in your vie your friend did this yeah. I was inclined to give him the benefit of any dbt and remember he was not as beaumont e. Jones said earlier, he was noa typical African American person standing charged for a crime. He hahis celebrity, he had his enormous popularity. You had the resources to have a great defense team, but he somehow beme an avatar in e minds of many for all ofhese other ongoing centuries old issu tt are very legimate issues. And he actually we beted from somof that if i could give him the benefit of any ubt, i would and im sorry to have to say this on the day that he passed away. But someone asked me once, do you think oj did it . I said yes they said why. And i said because i live on this planet yeah, it just the evidence just adds up to nothing else. And i hope im not going on too long here, jake, but this might be of interest i found myself on a plane a few years after the verdicts found myself on a plane sitting next to johnnie coran, whad never met, but we recognize each other. He sat at the window and i was on the aisle and we made small talk mostly about sports. And that is the plane was descending. I said, i know johnny, you have to deal with this constantly. So i just want to ask you a question. Just this one question did it surprise you that the prosecution didnt in their Closing Arguments make this point of all the African Americans you can think of why would the lapd, whatever issues we may have with them, why would they have been interested in framing oj simpson of all people . And if they did did frame him, they would have to know if he was an innocent man, wouldnt they have to know that he didnt have an airtight alibi as they put all this stuff together on the spot, wouldnt they have to know that theres no possibility he was in philadelphia or chicago and had an airtight alibi or if someone else actually did it, that they might not show up with blood all over their clothes in a bus depot in fresno someplace, how would you know if you had the most malign intentions . How could you, in that moment put all that stuff together and not know that it wouldnt fall apart upon the discovery of other facts that makes no sense. Johnnie cochran then said to me i wanted why they didnt do that myself. But im glad they didnt and then i said given everything, it might not have made any difference. And jonny said, bob, i didnt create the facts of the case. I just worked with them and i said and brilliantly. And then with a handshake, we parted company bob costas. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you, jake, coming up, why a foundation refused to honore former congresswoman liz cheney and the Protest Resignation that came up at plus comedian conan obrien is here to talk about his big new tv venture. But first donald trump its running out of options as he faces his first criminal trial next week, can he do anything to delay the case theres debris and this guy, parents husbands and wives, sky yes, i couldve done something differently. You can just make it better for those that follow Space Shuttle columbia, the final flight, two part finale, sunday at nine on cnn cracked windshield. Schedule would say flight and will come to you to fix it. This customer was enjoying her morning we texted her when we were on our way and she could track us and see exactly when we derive a few we came to her with service that fifth first sketch he lets be nice to meet. We got right to work with the replacement. She could trust. 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Eastern, which means former president donald trump, his legal team could not muster their fourth attempt this week to come up with a legal method to delay mondays historic trial. The new york Hush Money Trial. Thats part sex scandal, part 2016 election interference case and the firstever criminal trial of a former us president. Lets get right to the lead star legal analyst elie honig, le. Is there anything Trump Lawyers can do at this point . Its thursday, so theres still friday, saturday, sunday before mondays Jury Selection hey, jake, today was a notable de know last minute adjournment requests . No emergencies, no appeals, no motions for r0 r0 reconsideration, maybe theyve seen the Writing On The Wall that this thing is going on monday. Now, the only things they can theoretically do is first of all, try to ask new yorks highest court the, court, of appeals to take a look at some of these appeals which were already rejected and maybe in the farthest off scenario to ask the Us Supreme Court to get involved. Any such effort though is doomed, both in terms of substance. Hes gotten nothing here in terms of his arguments and in terms of procedure and in terms of timing, we are under 100 hours away from the start of Jury Selection. And i think this thing is going. Trump has not won any of these efforts, but is there any harm to trumps legal teams credibility it in terms of the judge and asking for delays yeah so theres two ways to look at this. You could look at this strictly from a utilitarian sort of gain theory Point Of View of, well, if youre trumps team and you lost before, might as well ask again if you lose, youre just back to where you werent before. Nothing lost. But i dont take that view. I take the real life view having been in courtrooms that when youre a lawyer and you go in front of a judge, your credibility is precious. And if you are bringing motions that youve already lost on, that have next to no basis, next to no merit, you will lose your credibility and believe me that well come back to haunt you. There will be times throughout this trial when youre going to need the judge to trust you, youre going to need the judge to give you the benefit of the doubt. And i think by making these motions that theyve made over this past week, trumps lawyers have really given away some of that crucial credibility. In a piece you have publishing tomorrow in new York Magazine and the cafe law blog, youre going to argue that this case is roar shack test borussia trial. You call it explain so jake, theres a couple of ways you can look at this trial, both of which are completely accurate. You can look at this as an eightyearold paperwork offense on a case that the famously aggressive feds across the street turned down. Were were looking at either a misdemeanor or a low felony where the star witness is a convicted perjurer, or you can look at this as an attempt to interfere with the 2016 election to hide information from the american voters. And i think the facts here are largely not going to be in dispute. However, the payments made, who did what, who had what conversations with who . I think the central struggle that were about to see between the lawyers is convincing the juror of which categorization is more accurate and more fair. And i think theyre going to be aiming for the jurors brains. Of course, but it always comes down to that got and the heart as well. Theres also been a bit of a branding war about this case. We often refer to it as a Hush Money Case, as do many others in the news media. But the district attorneys office, they call It Election Interference because trump and their view was trying to hide information from voters before they cast ballots in 26 skiing what do you think is the best way to describe the case well, neither of those are fully akre. I usually call it the Hush Money Case as well because its an easy shorthand, but hush money is not the crime here. Its really important to know the crime is falsifying Business Records. On the other hand, its a reach i think to say 2016 election interference the charges falsifying Business Records in order to commit Campaign Finance violations. Its a leap from Campaign Finance violations to trying to steal an election. All right. Elie honig, thanks so much. Conan obrien is here at our cnn studios. Hes going to join me on sets soon, stay with us when barbara switch to turbotax i wrote four generations of Family Tradition i want to make perfume so i meet barbers. 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A Palestinian American Berkeley Law Student who was invited to the dinner, picked up a microphone and stood before the gathering uninvited. Listen to what happened next. I had attorney is after we have okay. You dont have to guess at our house right . No the student claims that dean Erwin Chemerinsky is wife, professor Katherine Fisk assaulted her when fiske, prior to take the microphone away from her after after that moment at fisk home, the students said the university of California School system good divest from israel ultimately is thats what she was going to say. She says the incidents have sparked huge debate online about free speech and antisemitism and protests and much more adjourning at joining us now Uc Berkeley Law School dean Erwin Chemerinsky de chemerinsky. Let me also start with the fact that the speaker in that clip as the co President Of A Group called law students for justice in palatine palestine. And that group put this poster out on social media days before the event at your home. The poster was also placed on Bulletin Boards and the law school building. It depicts a caricature of you holding a bloody knife and fork, the one were showing right now doesnt have the blood on it maybe they redid it with the words in large letters, no dinner with zionist cham, while gaza starves. Now you wrote in a statement after that appeared on social media. I never thought i would see such blatant antisemitism with an image that invokes the horrible antisemitic trope of blood libel. And that attacks me for no apparent reason other than i am jewish so just to be clear, because i want to understand whats happening here. Not that anything would justify an antisemitic poster, but just to be clear, are you out there supporting what netanyahus doing in gaza . Are you because your wife says that she agrees with the students when it comes to whats going on in gaza you think, you think youre being targeted only because youre jewish ive said nothing in support of yahoo is doing and israel and actually said nothing in any public forum about whats going on with regard to gaza the students werent attacking me for anything that ive said and the only thing that they were saying is that the law schools should do that the law school has no investments. The university of california makes all the investments for all the schools. So its hard thing to see any reason why theyre coming after me. Other than that i was jewish do you think its difficult . Weve covered antisemitism at berkeley a lot. It feels like in the last six months, including the berkeley on the campus of berkeley and Berkeley High schools, et Berkeley City Council meetings, et cetera. Do you find it difficult to be Jewish At Berkeley today do not feel safe i feel completely say the reality is that the overwhelming number of students in the los going to campus are going about being students. The lost been suggested, the palestine is a very small group in the law school and on campus. And i think it is so important that no one generalizes from veer antisemitic speech and actions what was your reaction when you saw that social media post from this from this group, which has you with a bloody knife and fork and they call you a zionist. Youre a renowned Constitutional Law Professor and its interesting because youve said that theres a difference in terms of freespeech between that social media image and what happened at your home explain how you view that i found the image and knee with a bloody knife and fork deeply offensive. It does raise the antisemitic trope of blood libel. But i also took the position that they had the right to put it out and Bulletin Boards around the school many students and staff, jewish and nonjewish said that it made them feel unsafe, but i said under the first amendment, they have the right to put those things on Bulletin Boards. But when something is happening at my house, thats quite different we invited the graduating students over its request to the class president s to celebrate their graduation when a student took out of a backpack, a microphone, and an amplifier, and began talking about whats going on in the middle east. Thats not okay. In my home. No one was speaking that night. It wasnt in any way and occasion for anything but socializing and celebration and was your reaction and your wifes reaction rooted in the fact that this group had posted this image of you, at least in part im sure for both of us, part of the reaction is what preceded it in the last week and whats proceeded in the last six months. But i have to tell you that when the student got up and with the Microphone Amplifier and began talking about will anon in the middle east. My reaction was this is a party, this is my house. Please stop. Please leave all right. Berkeley law school, dean chemerinsky. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you the new Travel Show Launching by Iconic Comedian conan obrien, who will join me in studio next im jeff zeleny on the Campaign Trail in omaha in this is cnn. Its hard to explain what this feels like moving miles of earth toeing up to 4,000 pounds putting newtons of blades of grass. Nothing compares two experiencing it for yourself just have to get the seat. I met with the turbotax expert because i had two fulltime jobs, lawyering and miemie count on mamiya. Ill file your taxes for you with 100 accuracy guaranteed. Lead to turbotax fullservice expert. Do your taxes as soon as today . Start your day with nature the number one pharmacist recommended Vitamin Supplement brand. 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Onacs anwe should remind youhat max d cnn are both owned by Warner Brothers discovy, bhats not why im doing this. The show was super funny. And guess whos joining us now . Is conin. Hey, con is right rethank you so m call you ke . Is you may than for having me. This is huge. Lets show the sho folks a little clip. His is a rt oyo trip to norway . S. I went to norway an real got in touch with my roots that i dont have that. But anyway, take a look, lets take a loo red my pants falling down this is a travel show. G M Dealin Vis My fans in the world. E must embrace the way people do in thisountry. m the case. You wryour meeting, its soeird. Thats what i do ndttrue though, i ink weo needome weird right no tl h the series came about. Well, i do a poast called ow ive been on it. Youve. I en on it twi. I justeeded toell u again becausi know you just blowour friends left and rig a and it grew and grew. And then we started. I mostl talked to celeitie but i said want to talk people out in the world. And so we stard taking cal from people all over and ocsionally a fan in the fuhest part of the world would say, hey conan, youre ever in bergen, norway dot bias. And that gave mehe notion. Had you ever heard of bergen, noay, but if i had no i had ard of norway but i dont think ispecificly ard of bergen. Yeah. But i said yes. And so what weis we use saw in that clip right there. I sprisedy fans. As you and so that s a kid name, yaro hello, whos half of a rabbit wrappg duo. He looks like Daniel Radcliffe and its not as muscular, not as musculars Daniel Radcliffe. And hes a very sweet kid and theyre actually very talented duo. But i surprised him. So thats meringing his doorbell. D he disguise. My voice do yout see it there, but i go Baggage Fedex and then he comes down and he was really excited and then i proceed to go and tear up his apartment and then get involved in his musical life. And im determined to put he and his friend at the top of the charts. Thats pretty good. You have you provide some of the singing, the braille. I thought i should do a bridge the way sting used to sometimes sing the bridge on someone elses song verses about a fjord though mine is about a salmon and a fjord, but its in my patented irish falsetto. So you hosted conan on tbs for ten years, then you started nan obrien needs friend your podcasts, they have made needs a n. Yes. An obrien and i want to play a clip if you comparing your job to a fish farmer in norway. And here we go i am not envious because cai, what i do is very similar know, i come out here, i dont know if the, if the temperature in the Podcast Booth is going to be 71 or 70 i dont know if my the ice tea they got me is going to be completely unsweetened or have a little bit of sugar. So i to and battling the elements in my own way. Absolutely. Im so happy that im appearing in the arctic and not down there. Its im so glad youre just said. So youre just very happy that youre that youre, you and not me. Is that what youre saying yeah yeah. Yeah, thats what im saying. I i cant i have to say like youre so great when youre interviewing Celebrity Guests and such. But like you, you really seem to love interacting with normal. I love talking to people. That is a guy, a cai, who is a salmon fishermen, salmon farmer. And i after i meet one of the fans, hes in another one of the fans. I go up and i find him and i go out on his boat and try and hes having a difficult time with his partner on the boat who helps him find the salmon or grow the salmon. And so i try and get them to be Friends Again and so its just a joy. Its really fun. I love my favorite thing is meeting people who among constantly bumping into people who dont know who i am. Theyre not that impressed. And i egg them on until they really put me down and i dont know why, but it makes me so happy. That guy on the street, this guy in the street, who is a criticizing my jacket. He says that the jacket youre trying to wear a mixture, youre trying to look too young and we really get into it and i love it. It makes me happy and you go to norway, thailand, argentina, ireland carolyn . Yeah. What was anyone more fun than the other . Theyre all very different. The one thing it was fantastic and interesting about thailand, what it was, was a bunch of months ago. It was the hottest day that ever had in thailand. It was 108 degrees or 109 degrees. And so when youre doing improvisational comedy, as youre sweating out your body weight. Its fascinating, but it was really, it was fun and i cannot say i liked one country more than another. Each of those specials is very different, but they were really fun to do. So. You also made some history this week he returned to the tonight show yeah, 14 years after your time there ended, you sat down with jimmy fallon and you reminded him of some advice that was really, really hitting home for you at in that moment, lets run that clip youll have this show as long as you want it. But when youre 98, youll move on and someone else someone else will be in this studio when someone else is in your studio, it feels weird so id walked in and i said, khuzaa old studio and they said Kelly Clarkson yeah. I love Kelly Clarkson, who doesnt love Kelly Clarkson, but still i felt like hits what was it like to be back in thats it was a great feeling. I didnt actually jimmy studios across the hall. So hes in six b. I was in six say, which was this iconic studio that David Letterman had from i think 1981 to 93 and my studio was, i went into the same studios, dave. So jimmys across the hall. I didnt go in and look real, but it felt very nice to just be back on that floor and there were still some people who came out who are still working at nbc, who were there when i was there. And so it was very emotional. They came out and the gray hair and youre like and i was hugging people and it was a very sweet feeling. It was so nice to be back and spelling, but couldnt have been nicer here. Oh, he was great. And hes done an amazing job and im a fan and i think it all whatever happened all those years ago, it all worked out beautifully for everybody and so it was a nice return. It really was before we go, i have to ask you about something in the news today. Yep. Oj simpson died . Yes. And yes. He was a lot of fodder for you and a lot of other latenight can be it was a huge deal back then. Most notably hes hes passed on. Norm mcdonald. Oh my god. One of my best guess of all time and one of the great comedians of all time just told some of the most, didnt those brilliant, i think comedy of anybody . During that whole lost his job at snl, that it was making fun of oj simpson for being the real killer . Yes. And and and the head of the network at the time was tight with oj and all minor. Yeah. And who can remember these names anyway, what i wanted the bridge but yeah, that was a huge moment in the history. I think of this country, he was a massive there, have been many times in this country where weve needed to kind of stop and reassess, where we are in our racial history and where are we . What progress have we made . And that was one of those moments as it was such a watershed moment. So he has gone now. Yeah. Yeah. You have no youre not going to make me jackson oh, i never make a joke about someone the day they pass. Okay. Ill hit you up tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow at 6 00 a. M. You can hit me up. Its my east costar. 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He grabbed the shield of a Capital Police officer, pushed others and another clip gates and appears to grab the throat or mask of a Police Officer at some point, the cameras lose gates and he reappears with a long Pole Prosecutors say gaetz and use that pole to jab at police, striking one Police Officer in the shoulder between his protective gear. Gaytan was number 217 on the fbis initial wanted list in the days after the january 6 riot, he was arrested in may 2022, more than a year after the capitol riot. He went to trial last august. A jury found him guilty of five felony charges, including two counts of assaulting officers he is scheduled to be sentenced later this month. Once again, one of Donald Trumps january 6 hostages. Theyre not hostages. Theyre criminals. And criminal defendants. That brings us to our plight of politics lead in more fallout from republicans fear of donald trump and what trump might do in a second term. My next guest, normally lets his photographs speak for himself. He was appointed president gerald r for its chief white house photographer. And has photographed every us president from lyndon johnson, a joe biden this week, he put down his camera and wrote a scathing letter resigning from the board of the gerald ford president ial foundation after the group denied liz cheney its top yearly award over, he says fears that donald trump would retaliate against the organization if donald trump is reelected in the letter, he writes, Quote The Historical Irony was completely lost on you, gerald ford became president in part because Richard Nixon had ordered the development of an enemies list and demanded his underlings use the irs against those listed. Thats exactly what the Executive Committee Fears will happen if theres a Second Coming of donald trump unquote. The author of the resignation letter, Pulitzer Prize winning political photographer, David Hume Ketterle is here that the political, the pulitzer, prize you want for your amazing photography during the vietnam war, though i believe you closed your letter, david, by writing this about the ford president ial foundation, quote its now a place whose leadership is cowed by a demagogue, creating and promulgating the greatest crisis our country has faced since the civil war, unquote. Is there any doubt in your mind that liz cheney was not selected for this honore because she is a vocal critic of trump oh, i think thats number one, two, and three they put out a statement saying it was about irs rules that you cant promote a possible political candidate or political candidate and thats not true. In fact, her dad, i already have ironies in 2004, as a candidate for the vice presidency was the incumbent Vice President , but running one the same award that didnt seem to have any was did the problem back then . So yeah, theyre afraid of donald trump i mean, thats whats going around. Its like like a bad disease yeah. Mean, its intereing that she liz cheney was honored wi jfk fndatio profiles in couraward from a democratic the award for her father was what a Chief Of Staffor gera ford, right . E was Chief Of Staff tn ended up becoming the secrety of defense and then Vice President but liz it i read Thosers Rules Liz had not annound that she warunning. So thatanother element there. Si dont get it, but the bottom line is liz is crageous human being. The joke forward awa is given outfo of adversity and diligence. And she eckeall the boxes of the Criteria Whichou can fin on the gerald ford website how uld the Otr Board Mbers reted to your letter . Ve y of them rehed out to you directly so quite few, there a only a few of us left to actually work in Thehite House for Presidt Ford Two of th who are still on the board. Wervery suprtive. I ink a lot of people on the board wanted h to get it, but it came do to the executive mmittee. Theyre the ones who basically Lethe Laers Take Over and stead following with their hearts they l the lawyer make the call and it ju was an act of unfortunate non bravery and your letter, you write, quote, if president ford to see the current state of his former party, he would be shocked and royally riled on. What do you think president ford would fin jacques i changed the name ye i mean, it president ford was a Guy In Woolworth to Directed Gunre Gs Gummy Japanese aircraft that he his life had been on the line and his whole career was about making tough decisions and not doing it for political oses. I was in the oval and everywhere with him almost every day his presidency he. Saw him an action yeah. And he made a very difficult decision to pardon Richard Nixon before nixon would be indicted in the tergate scandal. That at the time was a very unpopular among it probly cost him reelection Wh Hor Election and when he ran in 1976 former President Trump faces 88 criminal charges, 44 of them are federal. Ts unclear if any of the federal cases will happen before the electionve heard pele talk about the edor joe biden. To pardon donald trump because it would be in the best interest of the country. Do you think do you see a Parallel Bween what four did or no . Thats a really great question. Not really. No. I think that Richard Nixon at at point he had been impeached it was going to be impeached, but it never got to that point. He resigned ford wanted to getn the rearview mirror. Ihink that would be an interesting dilemma for joe biden because there is historic precedes. There sure thats a good question yeah. I dont ow wha yre next riard nixon also retired. He didnt he didnt dnt try to run for he president again. David hume can only thank you foronoring us with yr presence. As you know, im a big fan of yours and your photographs from way back. Thanks so much for being yeah. Thank jake tete is turned about what tiktok up next, why shes ready to begin again with the social media giant, stay with us hello. Ghostbusters. Its duck. We help people customize and Save Hundreds on Car Insurance. But Liberty Mutual the situation sure, i. 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