Again, and welcome. Its time to break down the big story duress, Florida Supreme Court surprise is the Sunshine State actually winnable for President Biden then the xfactor with rfk junior has pulled number is climbing is kinda nice appeal about much more than his antivax view and keep a ring on it. The new postdivorce trend that may have youre saying, i dont the paddle is here and ready to go. So sit back, relax lets talk about up first, the two ecisions by florida supre court, which have the Biden Campaign both angry and excited and the trump ca a b nervous this week, the court decided to uphold the law, triggering a sixweek abortion ban. But it allowed Abortion Rights to be put on the november ballot. The two rulings possibly changing the dynamics of the president ial race im running to make roe v. Wade the Law Of The Land again, the Biden Campaign, putting abortion front and center, slamming floridas new sixweek abortion ban as extreme and outrageous donald trump doesnt trust women i do, but hoping that having Abortion Rights on the ballot in november could make florida winnable for the first time in 12 years. We definitely see florida in play Abortion Rights has proved a winning issue for democrats ever since the Supreme Court overturned roe v. Wade with voters support Abortion Access in every ballot measure, including in red states like kansas and kentucky okay this year, florida is one of about a dozen states where voters could weigh in on Abortion Rights including swing states like arizona and possibly nevada abortion trump, meanwhile, trying to walk the line between appeasing is prolife base, but also republicans and independents who believe in a womans right to choose more and more. Im hearing about 15 weeks. I havent agreed to any number. Im going to see here with me today, author and podcast host kara swisher righthand salam, president of the manhattan institute, and contributing writer at the atlantic, New York Times journalist and podcast toes lulu garcianavarro and jim garrett as senior Political Correspondent at national review, and contributing writer at the washington post. Welcome everyone, especially jim khuzaa first timer. Yes. Im excited longtime. You were first time. Weve gone, im ready, right . All right. You got to take it down flat now, look, florida used to be a swingstate most famously in the 2000 election between bush and gore. But its turned increasingly red. Trump be biden their four years ago by 371 votes lulu, as a florida native, does abortion on the ballot in november give biden a chance in your home state. It doesnt not i think florida has turned into a redstate demographic. Shifts have been huge there where i do think it will help democrats as downballot. We do see that this issue is actually going to have some legs there. There are a lot of house races. Theres a senate race thats close. And so i do think thats going to be but florida is to read its to read now for biden to have, i think in my personal opinion, its to read now, but as we said, abortion is gonna be on the ballot on states all across the country. Definitely arizona possibly the swing state of nevada jim, could abortion swing this election on those other states. So im going to say conceivably, maybe thats the wrong word could just rooting for the Abortion Discussion Biden would just need everything to break his way for a state like florida. And when they put together their first list of competitive states, they were the blue wall states, pennsylvania, wisconsin michigan, and then they went arizona, georgia, all the ones youd kinda ive expect they put North Carolina on their list, which struck me as kind of a stretch. My attitude is anything biden didnt win four years ago, its gonna be a tough pull for him this time. Florida really feels like its a little bit out of reach, but abortion. Yeah. Oh, look, itll be a factor coast to exactly what the democrats wanted for their motivation but on the other hand, i think most people vote on the economy probably immigration is gonna be a big deal. It will be held on abortion. Women are very reliable democratic voters. And beyond all that, where weve seen actually abortion make a really big difference is in swing states in those close states were actually getting people out to the polls to vote on that issue will be decisive. The role do think abortion play a big role . I think its spin their quietly all over the place and in every, all these elections, its mattered. It seems to matter whether its an alabama, whether its an ohio in kansas, all kinds of places. It pops up. I think it will pop up in florida and big time. Well, interestingly enough, in florida, the supporters of the abortion on rights are saying, we dont want those to be a political issue because we dont want people who may be for trump, but one Abortion Rights not to vote for this. So what its gonna be interesting to see how it plays trump incidentally says hes gonna make a statement about abortion this week. To clear up where he stands. But as soon as the Florida Supreme Court put abortion on the ballot, the Biden Campaign started running an ad in that state to make it clear where donald trump stands. For 54 years. They were trying to get roe v. Wade terminated. And i did it and im proud to have done it right hand. Can trump find some way to thread the needle in the statement he supposedly going to make next week, where on the one hand, he doesnt antagonize his prolife ive base, but on the other hand, he somehow fuzzers up the issue for people who are prochoice yes, i think he can. And i think that hes somewhat unique in its ability to do that. He has such strong support from evangelical conservative voters who see him as their champion that he is able to be a little bit tactical about but the issue is able to actually moderate his position in ways that other republicans find it very difficult to do. Theres another element of this, chris, and it relates to what you were talking about a moment ago with kara. Theres a funny way in which these referendums actually decouple the issue from Partisanship Back in 2020, florida voters voted by 20 Percentage Points to hike that states minimum wage. And trump still won. If you look at ohio kansas, kentucky, state after state, youve seen pro choices when referenda was my big margins. But those states continued to vote for republicans, but that actually could be something that works the sweet spot new say you think that trump is uniquely qualified. Whats the sweet spot . I think what hes talking about now is using 15 weeks as the prolife position hes redefining it around that as what he considers more defensible ground. There are going to be plenty of voters who are still opposed to that, who still consider that too restrictive. But he sees that as defensible and i think its going to be proven right. So comfortable in that spot, thats what he actually thinks, which is unusual for him because he swings all over the place. But i think he probably will push for that. I still think its gonna be a problem with evangelical base. Therell be very disappointed because they keep pressing on but he definitely has to Say Something because hes kind of a jam here. I dont think he can bamboozle voters. I mean, i think the very idea that somehow trump can pretend that he wasnt the person who was seminal in overturning roe. And that republicans somehow arent actually pushing for these very extreme anti against Abortion Rights and freedom of reproductive tract i dont think there is you know, i just feel like youre saying that hes going to play the mentors of sound debate about whether or not they should be handled by voters and democratically elected legislatures versus the Supreme Court. I think thats what were seeing play out. And by the way, its been pretty tough politics. Heres the thing. I dont understand. And jim, let me bring you into this i couldnt i would think of 15 weeks, obviously there are a lot of prochoice women. Were going to say, i dont want any risk direction. I could see that been more acceptable to them. How does that square with the prolife people who have been talking for decades about life begins at the moment. And sap no exceptions, no rape, incest how suddenly is 15 weeks. Okay. So we asked earlier about whether trump could find that sweet spot, right . Is it could it happen . Yes. What i bet on trump doing that . No, because hes generally all over the place when he talks about these kinds of topics, hell say one thing, one sentence that in a separate interview will be completely contradictory trump can make themselves sound like whatever he wants. Sometimes number my paragraph to paragraph, sentence to sentence. And yet some you think, oh voters will recognize this. Largely voters havent. Trump has been missing the sweet spot and all kinds of issues all throughout his whole career, saying things that are incendiary, saying things that are crazy and controversial. And it never really catches up with them, at least not to a point where hes no longer a person who goodwin the president makes trumps so can i just you to briefly running out of time in that segment and for this question, how does the Prolife Movement wrap its head around 15 weeks todays say, well, yeah, but trump is our guy and we know he doesnt mean it. Im sorry to say that there are a lot of pro lifers who are really panic right now. And were trying to find some defensible ground as well. There have been political defeat after political defeat, and they think half a loaf is better than none all right, then theres the rfk junior campaign. We all know about his antivax views but given as growing appeal is the news media getting it wrong and how we cover the Kennedy Campaign then the panel tells me why im wrong about what israel needs to do after killing those seven aid workers. And lighter, sending your boss to voice mail. The proposed law, every Worker Planning a happy hour needs to know about jim, if your boss call you, answer the phone after i what i there is no Media Personality businesswoman celebrity chef, like her the many lives of Martha Stewart now streaming on macs the ancient rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin Night And Day despite treatment, its still not under control. 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No matter how unconventional it is i can make the argument and biden as a much worse threat to democracy independent candidate, Robert Kennedy jr. Attacking job biden doesnt. Biden is the first president in history that has used the federal agencies to censor political speech. The wellknown vaccine skeptic, climbing bidens censored him after instagram briefly Suspended Kennedy and 2021 carsharing debunked claims about the corona virus or vaccine in recent weeks, kennedys star has steadily risen introducing a running mate, lawyer and multimillionaire, Nicole Shanahan and robert f. Kennedy, jr. And the Healing Of America from being to doubledigit polling in the president ial race. And after getting on the ballot in utah, now claiming hes got enough signatures to qualify in several keys wings days. Im going to be on the ballot in every state. If that happens, he could pose a serious threat or both of the two leading candidates are campaign is a spoiler for President Biden and for President Trump. Rionda polling has not all at all clear of years, one poll indicates one thing, one indicates another. So let me ask you, who do you think kennedy is more of a threat to trump or biden . Id say right at this moment, he might be hurting biden more longer term. He could hurt trump more. And i think if youre looking at the swingstate surveys right now, theres only one state where it seems like kennedy is making a difference. Thats wisconsin and its making a difference to actually help President Biden. So its very unpredictable. But why do you think its going to end up being more of a problem for trump than then by this is a big if, but if kennedy winds up running a disciplined campaign over time, big f and if you actually get some decent media attention, he could excite a lot of low Propensity Voters who want an exciting alternative. That is what separates trump from the pack of other mainstream republican in candidates. Those low Propensity Voters who dont trust institutions kennedy scratches that inch from a is certainly trying to make it clear where he thinks kennedy sets on the political spectrum. Take a listen hes a very liberal guys, probably the most liberal person in the race, including the green party. So i think hes probably going to hurt biden. I dont see him hurting me. Are people are solid lulu, who do you think kennedy threatens more . I mean, at the moment both, but i think also longterm, its probably going to be trump and you see him deliberately making a play for trump voters. Justice week, hes been talking about how january 6 wasnt actually an insurrection. Hes really trying to appeal to that side of the demographic the other thing that hes doing, which i think is very smart, is that hes going into podcasts. Hes got the biggest following on tiktok of any politician. And so hes really trying to appeal to these voting blocs that perhaps arent served by the traditional media. Lets drill down on some of kennedys positions beyond being an and he vaccine skeptic, which we know about his prochoice and abortion, takes populous positions like reducing student debt loan, a loan debt, a