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And dark horse. After publicly courting mitt romney and jolting rudy giuliani, has the president elect picked an oil company ceo to be his secretary of state . Plus, insights on what happens next. Hello, im jake tapper in washington, where the state of our union is hacked. A new report claims russia purposely intervened in the last u. S. Election with the specific aim of swinging the election for donald trump. That is the conclusion of a secret cia assessment, according to Washington Post, but other intelligence agencies are not so convinced and president elect trump has responded by attacking the entire u. S. Intelligence apparatus and telling the nation to move on. This morning, a Bipartisan Group of senators promised to investigate and inform the public about the russian cyberattack saying, this cannot become a partisan issue, the stakes are too high for our country. Here with me to discuss it all, democrat of maryland, senator ben cardin. Senator, thanks so much for joining us. Good to be with you. So the Washington Post is reporting russia intervened in the election specifically to help donald trump. I know other intelligence agencies are not so sure thats the reason they were doing it. As the ranking democrat on the Senate Foreign relations committee, what can you tell us . First, im glad theres bipartisan interest, we need to find out what happened. What we do know is russia hacked us. That we do know. They made Information Available during the election in order to have an impact on our election. What we need to do now is have that type of investigation to find out what we should do about russia. Russia is not our friend. They have interfered in europe, theyve compromised the boundaries of european countries, theyve attacked europe institutions, and now theyve attacked america. Weve got to take action. Do you know whether the russians were purposely trying to sway the election to donald trump, or do you think its more along the lines of they were just trying to undermine confidence in american democracy the way they have done in other countries around the world . Well, they may very well have done both. They certainly wanted to compromise our democratic institutions, thats clear, weve seen that in europe. Whether they were trying to elect donald trump, thats something we need to take a look at. Clearly, theres been reports that was part of their motive. We need to find out and then take action. Russia is not our friend. They are very much trying to undermine america. They have they are a bully, its a corrupt regime, and we need to stand strong. Thats why it was important to work with our european allies to try to isolate russia as we did with sanctions. We need to be very strong in our play against russia. Heres the response from donald trump and the transition team. These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago, its now time to move on and make America Great again. He did win the electoral college, but what is your response . Ive talked to some people in the Intelligence Community who are very upset about that being a response. Look, we have the best Intelligence Network in the world. Its critically important that the Trump Administration work with our Intelligence Community in the best interest of america. I was very disappointed and just shocked by what im never shocked anymore what donald trump says, but we need to make sure that we work with the Intelligence Community. Lets not be naive, russia is not our friend. We know that. We know their actions. Look at their actions. Look what theyve done in ukraine. They occupied crimea. Moldova, georgia, look whats going on as far as their attacks. They are attacking us. We cant be naive about it. Weve got to use the best intelligence to take action against russia. Rex tillerson has emerged as Donald Trumps likely pick for secretary of state. Trump has praised tillerson as a world class player whos done massive deals in russia. Take a listen. Hes much more than a business executive. Hes a world class player. Hes in charge of, i guess, the Largest Company in the world. Its been a company thats been unbelievably managed, and to me a great advantage is he knows many of the players and he knows them well. He does massive deals in russia. Some of your republican colleagues have expressed concern about tillerson as possible secretary of state. What do you think . Im concerned some of the statements hes made about the sanctions in russia, that we should ease those. I am concerned about his relationship with russia. We want to make sure that the secretary of state is a person who represents america, and once again, russia is not our friend. Theyve attacked our allies. They are attacking us through the internet. We need to make sure that the secretary of state has independence and will represent u. S. Interests and are not concerned about commercial interests with russia over what is our National Security interests. Do you think tillerson might have confirmation problems . Im not going to prejudge a confirmation process. I think the members of the senate need to recognize the independent roles, this is a constitutional priority and we need to do it in an objective way, but i can tell you these are questions that are going to be asked and we want to make sure the next secretary of state is going to put americas interests before commercial interests. Thank you, senator be ben cardin. While congress decides what to do if anything about this news, the Democratic Party and its leaders are still reeling from Election Results and trying to decide where they go from here. Lots of folks have been wondering what might have been if Vice President biden had been the nominee and as democrats look at their relatively empty president ial bench, theres been speculation the 74yearold veep might be ready for one more scrimmage. We sat down with the Vice President in his office for one final exit interview. Mr. Vice president , for the final time, i guess, thank you so much for sitting down with us. Always enjoyed being with you, jake, i really do. So a lot of incredible tributes to you this week. You said it was a bit like being at your own funeral. Was there one that in particular really, really moved you . It made me think about all the years i spent there and how it sort of used to be. The thing that pleased me the most was that that they talked about me as a friend, and that i never misled them, and we could disagree like hell but never got personal. Thats sort of been my philosophy of governing, you know, its all personal. Your comments this week, whether you were joking or not, have prompted a lot of questions about whether or not you actually might run for president in 2020. I know you said you were joking, but you are experienced enough to know you never say never. You told Stephen Colbert that in 2020 youll be 78, but donald trump will be 74, so age isnt going to be an issue, i suppose. Look, age could be very much an issue and may not be. Depends on the state of my health and the health of whomever is running. But look, as you know, jake, four years is a lifetime in american politics, and i think that nominees are determined by their parties based mostly on what skill set is most needed at that time. And who knows where were going to be two years from now when people really start looking seriously what they are going to do. Hillary clinton lost in part because of how incredibly poorly she did with a voting group that is one of the groups that you speak for and have historically, people used to call you middle class joe, son of scranton, and got clobbered with White Working Class voters. You said you might be the only democrat in the senate that won white men. Why do you think she did so poorly with White Working Class voters . First of all, i dont think as a party we spend look, im really proud of what barack and i, the president and i were able to do, with the economy. But if you notice the last two years the president s state of the union has been a shift and focus now that we got the car out of the ditch and on the road and running on focusing on the real inequities that exist and still exist for working class, middle class people who were left behind, and what happened was, that wasnt the central part of the campaign moving forward, in my view. I said at the convention, when i introduced hillary and praised her, i said we dont show enough respect to that group that, in fact, has been left behind. And these are people who had good, decent jobs. My dad used to have an expression, remember, joe, a job is a lot more than about your paycheck, its about your dignity, its about your respect. As much as we come back, theres still a segment of people with good, decent jobs five, ten, 12 years ago, and they are having trouble looking their kids in the eye saying, honey, its going to be okay, i feel certain where we are now. We have to speak to those people. And, you know, i globalization has not been an asset to everybody. Some people were left behind. Theres ways to deal with that. But we never got a chance to speak to it in this election, and i think we paid a price for it. And while millions of jobs have been created since you and president obama took office, hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs have disappeared. And a lot of those voters feel that washington, d. C. , has sold them out. Do you understand why they feel that way . Yeah, i do. Look, first of all, we brought back a lot of manufacturing jobs and we rescued the automobile industry, wed have a million fewer manufacturing jobs out there, but what they didnt see us focusing on, because we were just trying to keep the car from going off the cliff, was how do you what do you do to help me deal with how fundamentally manufacturing has changed. You dont think Hillary Clinton said it . She said it, but she didnt get a chance to say it. You know this, youre one of the guys out there, not being solicitous, you cant find, i bet 10 of the people can tell you what hillarys plan was, how she was going to provide free education. It got drowned out by the most vicious campaign, Craziest Campaign ive ever witnessed in the last since ive been involved. You know, its either the bulk of the debate was about emails and or his borish behavior. He did say a lot that the trade deals that sold out the American People and that he was going to bring those jobs back and that he was going to fight for the american worker. That did cut through. That cut through, but there was no detail about anything. Do you think you could have done a better job . I dont know, theyd probably have eaten me alive. Who knows what would have happened. And i really mean that. I dont know. I learned how to become popular. Not running for president , oh, man, youre the most popular guy out there. Thats not entirely true. Youre being a little i cant believe you didnt sit there at times during the campaign and think, oh, hillary, why dont you say or youre not connecting with my people. You and president obama won a county, home of scranton, by almost 30 points. Hillary clinton almost she barely won it, three or four points. Look, again, it was so easy to go back and monday morning quarterback. Im talking about quarterbacking during the game. Well, during the game we believe that one of the reasons the president acknowledged hed pick me was because of, hopefully, im trusted or have some connection with those neighborhoods. But i dont think theres nearly like, one leading democrat said, for every vote biden is going to go out and get a vote, ill get two educated women to vote democrat. Theres a sort of sense thats grown up in the Democratic Party that somehow these folks are these are good people, man. These arent racists, these arent sexists. What do you tell your former colleagues in the senate, democrats, when they look at what donald trump is doing in terms of threatening tariffs if you move your company overseas, dealing with carrier and whether its through tax credits or threats of defense contracts that might not go through from the parent organization, senator joe manchin told cnn yesterday, if this is what trump is going to do to save every job in america, god bless him. What do you think . I think, look, i think the best example i can give you is the Affordable Care act. I love these guys. Ran against Affordable Care act, how terrible it is. How premiums went up. Were going to repeal it. Go ahead, repeal it. Repeal it now. See what happens. The idea all of a sudden they can go back and start charging women more than men, preexisting conditions dont matter. Barack and i he knew the president and i knew from the beginning you can call him barack, its okay. I never do. Its almost over. No, hes always going to be my president. But look, heres the deal, if you we knew you had to improve the Affordable Care act. We knew from the beginning. We were looking for a partner. I remember when it passed, i was whispering in his ear and it was overheard you were miked. Thats right. Actually, guy read my lips if you want to go back and look at it, but all kidding aside, what happened was, i used the example of the Social Security being passed. It was women and orphans when it started off. It moved. It got massaged. It got a consensus. Now, can we make everything we did better . Yeah, we knew that. We knew that. Coming up, more from our exclusive exit interview with Vice President biden, his next move, and where he thinks the Democratic Party is headed after a crushing defeat. I think 2018 is going to be a very good year for the democrats. Oh, lifesized dragon hand back scratcher. If only it came in a luffa. It does oh, a raisin rehydrator. It turns them back into grapes. Wow, what an exhausting journey. Thats a good wedding present. Good call. Thank you. And thank you, lady blue. With the blue cash everyday card from American Express, you get cash back on purchases with no annual fee. Oh, look at this. Disposable microphone for my uncle bobs 75th a one and done. Yes. Find your voice and then dispose of it. Its more than cash back. Its backed by the service and security of American Express. Says it wont let up for a while. The cadillac xt5. What should we do . Tailored to you. Wait it out. Equipped with apple carplay compatibility. Now during seasons best, get this low mileage lease on this cadillac xt5 from around 429 per month, or purchase with 0 apr financing. Family road trip fun check engine. Not fun but, youve got hum. Thats like driving with this guy. All you do is press this, and in plain english, coolant, youll know whats wrong. If you do need a mechanic, just press this. Thank you for calling hum. And if you really need help, help can find you, automatically, 24 7. Because you put this, in here. Hum by verizon. The technology designed to make your car smarter, safer and more connected. Put some smarts in your car. Welcome back to state of the union. Im jake tapper. President elect trump met with Rex Tillerson this weekend, amid reports tillerson is top choice for secretary of state, but the ceos close ties to russia, putin once awarded him an order of friendship award, could make for a tough confirmation hearing in congress, one of possibly many fights to come. In our exclusive exit interview with Vice President biden, the Vice President shared his view on another controversial trump cabinet pick. I know youve been reluctant to talk about individual cabinet selections, but there is one, a former colleague of yours, senator sessions, that you once voted against when he was up for a federal judgeship. I led the fight against him. You led the fight against him in 1986. Democrats said he was racially insensitive, republicans said that, in fact, he had prosecuted the ku klux klan and this was a smear. You voted against him, he never got out of a committee. Are you comfortable with attorney general Jeff Sessions . I was talking to jeff on the floor yesterday. I wouldnt appoint jeff, but people learn, people change. My general rule is, the president gets to choose who he wants or she wants for their cabinet members unless either they are taking over the job with the express purpose of not enforcing the law in that area, like for example the new guy, i dont know him at all, the epa. Well, if hes going not to enforce the clean air and clean water act, then thats not a guy you vote for. I voted against a former housing cabinet person. I voted against someone who headed the department of education. Who said i wanted to get rid of the department. So within bounds, the president should get the person that they want for that job, as long as they commit under oath that they are going to uphold the law. Sounds like you think senator sessions will uphold the law. Im hoping he will. Lets see what he says in his confirmation hearing and what commitments he makes. Who is the leader of the Democratic Party as of january 21st . Well, like after every president ial election where the party loses, there is no single leader. There are voices that will hopefully be heard. Hopefully, ill be able to have a voice in the direction of the party. The president of the United States will. Obviously, Chuck Schumer will. Obviously, nancy pelosi will. There will be governors that will emerge. So its a contest of ideas of which direction to take the party. After every single loss, the Washington Post<\/a>, but other intelligence agencies are not so convinced and president elect trump has responded by attacking the entire u. S. Intelligence apparatus and telling the nation to move on. This morning, a Bipartisan Group<\/a> of senators promised to investigate and inform the public about the russian cyberattack saying, this cannot become a partisan issue, the stakes are too high for our country. Here with me to discuss it all, democrat of maryland, senator ben cardin. Senator, thanks so much for joining us. Good to be with you. So the Washington Post<\/a> is reporting russia intervened in the election specifically to help donald trump. I know other intelligence agencies are not so sure thats the reason they were doing it. As the ranking democrat on the Senate Foreign<\/a> relations committee, what can you tell us . First, im glad theres bipartisan interest, we need to find out what happened. What we do know is russia hacked us. That we do know. They made Information Available<\/a> during the election in order to have an impact on our election. What we need to do now is have that type of investigation to find out what we should do about russia. Russia is not our friend. They have interfered in europe, theyve compromised the boundaries of european countries, theyve attacked europe institutions, and now theyve attacked america. Weve got to take action. Do you know whether the russians were purposely trying to sway the election to donald trump, or do you think its more along the lines of they were just trying to undermine confidence in american democracy the way they have done in other countries around the world . Well, they may very well have done both. They certainly wanted to compromise our democratic institutions, thats clear, weve seen that in europe. Whether they were trying to elect donald trump, thats something we need to take a look at. Clearly, theres been reports that was part of their motive. We need to find out and then take action. Russia is not our friend. They are very much trying to undermine america. They have they are a bully, its a corrupt regime, and we need to stand strong. Thats why it was important to work with our european allies to try to isolate russia as we did with sanctions. We need to be very strong in our play against russia. Heres the response from donald trump and the transition team. These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein<\/a> had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago, its now time to move on and make America Great<\/a> again. He did win the electoral college, but what is your response . Ive talked to some people in the Intelligence Community<\/a> who are very upset about that being a response. Look, we have the best Intelligence Network<\/a> in the world. Its critically important that the Trump Administration<\/a> work with our Intelligence Community<\/a> in the best interest of america. I was very disappointed and just shocked by what im never shocked anymore what donald trump says, but we need to make sure that we work with the Intelligence Community<\/a>. Lets not be naive, russia is not our friend. We know that. We know their actions. Look at their actions. Look what theyve done in ukraine. They occupied crimea. Moldova, georgia, look whats going on as far as their attacks. They are attacking us. We cant be naive about it. Weve got to use the best intelligence to take action against russia. Rex tillerson has emerged as Donald Trumps<\/a> likely pick for secretary of state. Trump has praised tillerson as a world class player whos done massive deals in russia. Take a listen. Hes much more than a business executive. Hes a world class player. Hes in charge of, i guess, the Largest Company<\/a> in the world. Its been a company thats been unbelievably managed, and to me a great advantage is he knows many of the players and he knows them well. He does massive deals in russia. Some of your republican colleagues have expressed concern about tillerson as possible secretary of state. What do you think . Im concerned some of the statements hes made about the sanctions in russia, that we should ease those. I am concerned about his relationship with russia. We want to make sure that the secretary of state is a person who represents america, and once again, russia is not our friend. Theyve attacked our allies. They are attacking us through the internet. We need to make sure that the secretary of state has independence and will represent u. S. Interests and are not concerned about commercial interests with russia over what is our National Security<\/a> interests. Do you think tillerson might have confirmation problems . Im not going to prejudge a confirmation process. I think the members of the senate need to recognize the independent roles, this is a constitutional priority and we need to do it in an objective way, but i can tell you these are questions that are going to be asked and we want to make sure the next secretary of state is going to put americas interests before commercial interests. Thank you, senator be ben cardin. While congress decides what to do if anything about this news, the Democratic Party<\/a> and its leaders are still reeling from Election Results<\/a> and trying to decide where they go from here. Lots of folks have been wondering what might have been if Vice President<\/a> biden had been the nominee and as democrats look at their relatively empty president ial bench, theres been speculation the 74yearold veep might be ready for one more scrimmage. We sat down with the Vice President<\/a> in his office for one final exit interview. Mr. Vice president , for the final time, i guess, thank you so much for sitting down with us. Always enjoyed being with you, jake, i really do. So a lot of incredible tributes to you this week. You said it was a bit like being at your own funeral. Was there one that in particular really, really moved you . It made me think about all the years i spent there and how it sort of used to be. The thing that pleased me the most was that that they talked about me as a friend, and that i never misled them, and we could disagree like hell but never got personal. Thats sort of been my philosophy of governing, you know, its all personal. Your comments this week, whether you were joking or not, have prompted a lot of questions about whether or not you actually might run for president in 2020. I know you said you were joking, but you are experienced enough to know you never say never. You told Stephen Colbert<\/a> that in 2020 youll be 78, but donald trump will be 74, so age isnt going to be an issue, i suppose. Look, age could be very much an issue and may not be. Depends on the state of my health and the health of whomever is running. But look, as you know, jake, four years is a lifetime in american politics, and i think that nominees are determined by their parties based mostly on what skill set is most needed at that time. And who knows where were going to be two years from now when people really start looking seriously what they are going to do. Hillary clinton lost in part because of how incredibly poorly she did with a voting group that is one of the groups that you speak for and have historically, people used to call you middle class joe, son of scranton, and got clobbered with White Working Class<\/a> voters. You said you might be the only democrat in the senate that won white men. Why do you think she did so poorly with White Working Class<\/a> voters . First of all, i dont think as a party we spend look, im really proud of what barack and i, the president and i were able to do, with the economy. But if you notice the last two years the president s state of the union has been a shift and focus now that we got the car out of the ditch and on the road and running on focusing on the real inequities that exist and still exist for working class, middle class people who were left behind, and what happened was, that wasnt the central part of the campaign moving forward, in my view. I said at the convention, when i introduced hillary and praised her, i said we dont show enough respect to that group that, in fact, has been left behind. And these are people who had good, decent jobs. My dad used to have an expression, remember, joe, a job is a lot more than about your paycheck, its about your dignity, its about your respect. As much as we come back, theres still a segment of people with good, decent jobs five, ten, 12 years ago, and they are having trouble looking their kids in the eye saying, honey, its going to be okay, i feel certain where we are now. We have to speak to those people. And, you know, i globalization has not been an asset to everybody. Some people were left behind. Theres ways to deal with that. But we never got a chance to speak to it in this election, and i think we paid a price for it. And while millions of jobs have been created since you and president obama took office, hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs have disappeared. And a lot of those voters feel that washington, d. C. , has sold them out. Do you understand why they feel that way . Yeah, i do. Look, first of all, we brought back a lot of manufacturing jobs and we rescued the automobile industry, wed have a million fewer manufacturing jobs out there, but what they didnt see us focusing on, because we were just trying to keep the car from going off the cliff, was how do you what do you do to help me deal with how fundamentally manufacturing has changed. You dont think Hillary Clinton<\/a> said it . She said it, but she didnt get a chance to say it. You know this, youre one of the guys out there, not being solicitous, you cant find, i bet 10 of the people can tell you what hillarys plan was, how she was going to provide free education. It got drowned out by the most vicious campaign, Craziest Campaign<\/a> ive ever witnessed in the last since ive been involved. You know, its either the bulk of the debate was about emails and or his borish behavior. He did say a lot that the trade deals that sold out the American People<\/a> and that he was going to bring those jobs back and that he was going to fight for the american worker. That did cut through. That cut through, but there was no detail about anything. Do you think you could have done a better job . I dont know, theyd probably have eaten me alive. Who knows what would have happened. And i really mean that. I dont know. I learned how to become popular. Not running for president , oh, man, youre the most popular guy out there. Thats not entirely true. Youre being a little i cant believe you didnt sit there at times during the campaign and think, oh, hillary, why dont you say or youre not connecting with my people. You and president obama won a county, home of scranton, by almost 30 points. Hillary clinton almost she barely won it, three or four points. Look, again, it was so easy to go back and monday morning quarterback. Im talking about quarterbacking during the game. Well, during the game we believe that one of the reasons the president acknowledged hed pick me was because of, hopefully, im trusted or have some connection with those neighborhoods. But i dont think theres nearly like, one leading democrat said, for every vote biden is going to go out and get a vote, ill get two educated women to vote democrat. Theres a sort of sense thats grown up in the Democratic Party<\/a> that somehow these folks are these are good people, man. These arent racists, these arent sexists. What do you tell your former colleagues in the senate, democrats, when they look at what donald trump is doing in terms of threatening tariffs if you move your company overseas, dealing with carrier and whether its through tax credits or threats of defense contracts that might not go through from the parent organization, senator joe manchin told cnn yesterday, if this is what trump is going to do to save every job in america, god bless him. What do you think . I think, look, i think the best example i can give you is the Affordable Care<\/a> act. I love these guys. Ran against Affordable Care<\/a> act, how terrible it is. How premiums went up. Were going to repeal it. Go ahead, repeal it. Repeal it now. See what happens. The idea all of a sudden they can go back and start charging women more than men, preexisting conditions dont matter. Barack and i he knew the president and i knew from the beginning you can call him barack, its okay. I never do. Its almost over. No, hes always going to be my president. But look, heres the deal, if you we knew you had to improve the Affordable Care<\/a> act. We knew from the beginning. We were looking for a partner. I remember when it passed, i was whispering in his ear and it was overheard you were miked. Thats right. Actually, guy read my lips if you want to go back and look at it, but all kidding aside, what happened was, i used the example of the Social Security<\/a> being passed. It was women and orphans when it started off. It moved. It got massaged. It got a consensus. Now, can we make everything we did better . Yeah, we knew that. We knew that. Coming up, more from our exclusive exit interview with Vice President<\/a> biden, his next move, and where he thinks the Democratic Party<\/a> is headed after a crushing defeat. I think 2018 is going to be a very good year for the democrats. Oh, lifesized dragon hand back scratcher. If only it came in a luffa. It does oh, a raisin rehydrator. It turns them back into grapes. Wow, what an exhausting journey. Thats a good wedding present. Good call. Thank you. And thank you, lady blue. With the blue cash everyday card from American Express<\/a>, you get cash back on purchases with no annual fee. Oh, look at this. Disposable microphone for my uncle bobs 75th a one and done. Yes. Find your voice and then dispose of it. Its more than cash back. Its backed by the service and security of American Express<\/a>. Says it wont let up for a while. The cadillac xt5. What should we do . Tailored to you. Wait it out. Equipped with apple carplay compatibility. Now during seasons best, get this low mileage lease on this cadillac xt5 from around 429 per month, or purchase with 0 apr financing. Family road trip fun check engine. Not fun but, youve got hum. Thats like driving with this guy. All you do is press this, and in plain english, coolant, youll know whats wrong. If you do need a mechanic, just press this. Thank you for calling hum. And if you really need help, help can find you, automatically, 24 7. Because you put this, in here. Hum by verizon. The technology designed to make your car smarter, safer and more connected. Put some smarts in your car. Welcome back to state of the union. Im jake tapper. President elect trump met with Rex Tillerson<\/a> this weekend, amid reports tillerson is top choice for secretary of state, but the ceos close ties to russia, putin once awarded him an order of friendship award, could make for a tough confirmation hearing in congress, one of possibly many fights to come. In our exclusive exit interview with Vice President<\/a> biden, the Vice President<\/a> shared his view on another controversial trump cabinet pick. I know youve been reluctant to talk about individual cabinet selections, but there is one, a former colleague of yours, senator sessions, that you once voted against when he was up for a federal judgeship. I led the fight against him. You led the fight against him in 1986. Democrats said he was racially insensitive, republicans said that, in fact, he had prosecuted the ku klux klan and this was a smear. You voted against him, he never got out of a committee. Are you comfortable with attorney general Jeff Sessions<\/a> . I was talking to jeff on the floor yesterday. I wouldnt appoint jeff, but people learn, people change. My general rule is, the president gets to choose who he wants or she wants for their cabinet members unless either they are taking over the job with the express purpose of not enforcing the law in that area, like for example the new guy, i dont know him at all, the epa. Well, if hes going not to enforce the clean air and clean water act, then thats not a guy you vote for. I voted against a former housing cabinet person. I voted against someone who headed the department of education. Who said i wanted to get rid of the department. So within bounds, the president should get the person that they want for that job, as long as they commit under oath that they are going to uphold the law. Sounds like you think senator sessions will uphold the law. Im hoping he will. Lets see what he says in his confirmation hearing and what commitments he makes. Who is the leader of the Democratic Party<\/a> as of january 21st . Well, like after every president ial election where the party loses, there is no single leader. There are voices that will hopefully be heard. Hopefully, ill be able to have a voice in the direction of the party. The president of the United States<\/a> will. Obviously, Chuck Schumer<\/a> will. Obviously, nancy pelosi will. There will be governors that will emerge. So its a contest of ideas of which direction to take the party. After every single loss, the Political Party<\/a> that loses, they go and do a retrospective what happened, where did we make a mistake, what did we do wrong . That debate is going to ensue and hopefully the party will grow from it. Chuck schumer, liberal from new york city, brooklyn, nancy pelosi, liberal from san francisco, is there a voice that will represent scranton in there . Im not going anywhere. By the way, im really not. I think 2018 is going to be a very good year for the democrats, because now these a guys are going to have to say not generically make america better, heres how im going to make america better. Republicans control the house, the senate, they will control the white house. Watch when they do it. Watch the response of the public when they do it. I can hardly wait for these debates. So whats next for you . You dont look quite ready for the rocking chair. No. Im guessing youre going to do something. No, no, i am. One of the things im really focusing on now is how to continue my work on the fight against cancer. Where are you going to be . Youve ruled out running for Democratic National<\/a> committee chairman. Yeah. Biden center somewhere . I think so. I think im going to be in a position, im talking with some universities who want me to become engaged, who are prepared to give me a platform to have serious staff people of consequence. I am not interested in and theres nothing wrong with it, going out with a corporation and making money or going to im just not interested in that. Im interested in having a platform where i can have a sufficient number of key staff persons who will continue to help me fight for the things that i care about. Whether its promoting fighting against violence against women or growth and development. Not for money, for actually to have a platform, to be able to make the case. And i think at least ill have a shelf life a little bit. I know that, you know, my dad quote my dad, a lucky person gets up in the morning, puts both feet on the floor, knows what they are about to do and thinks it still matters. Ive been doing this since i was 26, i dont know what else to do. Thats the thing, you first came down here in january 1973, and while youre not leaving public life, and who knows, you may return to elected office some day, this is putting an end to at least this chapter of elected office in washington, d. C. What are you proudest of . Leaving here with a reputation among both democrats and republicans who never have misled anybody and viewed as someone whos been honorable. Thats what im proudest of, my name. And what is your biggest regret . My biggest regret are a couple votes i cast. I wish i had never voted to repeal the legislation limiting banks what they can do, glass steagall. I wish i had been more persuasive and better able to end the crisis on cyprus. Practical things that ive worked on my whole life. But by and large, im proud of my work on civil rights and civil liberties, and the lgbt community. Like i said, everyones entitled to be treated with dignity, and thats what ive tried to do my whole career. 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Know better sleep with sleep number. I dont know what mr. Tillersons relationship with Vladimir Putin<\/a> was, but ill tell you, it is a matter of concern to me. That was navy man senator john mccain. Sorry about the loss there at the armynavy game, senator, weighing in on president elect trumps reported pick of secretary of state Rex Tillerson<\/a>, who has worked closely with russian president Vladimir Putin<\/a>. Trump says thats an asset, will the senate agree . Here to discuss that and more, dana lash, former democratic governor of michigan, jennifer granholm, cnn political commentator alex stewart, and president of the league and former mayor. Thank you for being here, i appreciate it. Tillerson and exxonmobil, clearly a business relationship there and you heard senator cardin earlier in the show say the next secretary of state has to represent americas interests, not the interests of the oil and gas industry. Do you think this could be a problem for confirmation hearing . I think first off no official decision has been made, although it does appear he has a strong likely candidate for this and we have to wait for donald trump to make the announcement. Its one thing when youre ceo of a Major Corporation<\/a> and dealing with foreign leaders selling goods and services. Thats one role, as opposed to secretary of state dealing with foreign leaders when representing americas best interests. They are two completely different hats, two different responsibilities, and i trust hell be able to wear the right hat of secretary of state. Hes proven to be a strong leader for his company and i truly believe hell be a strong leader for america. As we say, personnel is policy and when somebody has spent 30 years of their life advocating for an oil company and advocating for increasing profits for that oil company, which is perfectly fine, donald trump is not with him in all of the thousands of small decisions that any leader whos appointed to the cabinet has to make on a daily basis. Those small decisions are what bend the arc of policy, so having somebody like Rex Tillerson<\/a>, who has had whose billions of dollars of investments in russia, whos got ten joint ventures as exxon ceo with russian stateowned companies, who has been a clear ally of putin, this is a gift really to Vladimir Putin<\/a>. I think, jake, the important thing is, theres got to be a full, complete, thorough confirmation process, and i think what comes into play is transparency around exxons dealings not only in russia, but all over the world. Right. The public has a right to know what entanglements are involved with the secretary the punitive secretary designee. Some of the strongest voices voicing concerns are coming from senate republicans. Senator Lindsey Graham<\/a> told Washington Post<\/a>, i dont know the man much at all, but lets put it this way, if he received an award from the kremlin, order of friendship, then were going to have some talkin. Im hearing you say that in Lindsey Graham<\/a>s accent. Its better in the original south carolina. Exactly, exactly. Criticisms with Lindsey Graham<\/a> aside, look, confirmation hearings are going to be tough. Is he going to make it through . I dont know. Its true, its not an official decision yet. At the same time, look, i understand the concerns. I also understand that i think anybody who comes from the private sector is going to be staunchly looked at. Its weird, because i feel like every Single Person<\/a> whos being selected if they come from the private sector, the fact they come from the private sector is almost invalidating them from consideration in this administration by many people in politics, so we need to get over that hill immediately, but the thing is, if there is evidence that does exist as to why this individual would be a wrong fit for the top diplomat as to why this individual should not be considered to be part of the cabinet, then by all means, thats what the confirmation hearings are for, thats when you bring your agame. Im open to be convinced. I think one of the things thats interesting is it comes within the context of russia looming large, no style behind the u. S. Election. And the former congressman joe walsh, republican of illinois, tweeted about the russian hacking, russian meddling. Im a trump supporter, but if russia messed with our election to help hillary lose id be pissed and demand something be done about it. Do you think obviously, theres no evidence that what russia did changed the outcome of the election, right . True. But do you think that the tone from people like the president elect is right . Because there are a lot of people like congressman walsh who support donald trump, but also dont like the idea of putin getting involved in this. First and foremost, its important to notice theres no credible information out there or evidence to say this is the russian government thats responsible for these hacks. As opposed to russian hackers. Russian hackers. The ip address does indicate it comes from russia, but doesnt necessarily mean its the russian government, through there are concerns with russia and putin. Thats why it was frustrating when president obama criticized mitt romney for voicing his concerns. Thats why there was frustration when Hillary Clinton<\/a> tried to hit the reset, which was a complete failure. I think well have strong opposition to russia, we understand the dangers involved there, and i think donald trump will set the right tone, specifically with who he picks for secretary of state. This is outrageous and dangerous and sets a bad precedent that a foreign nation could in any way seek to influence an American Election<\/a> from the beginning of the founding of this nation there were controls put in place. Thats why we have limitations on who can be president. Thats why theres the clause. We need to know as American People<\/a> whether there was an effort by russia, abetted by russia, encouraged by russia, financed by russia, to affect this election, because what we dont want is to turn this into every country in the world has a Campaign Office<\/a> in the United States<\/a> behind their Intelligence Agency<\/a> trying to influence the outcome. Congress must thoroughly investigate. This is the biggest story of the election other than Donald Trumps<\/a> victory. Not just any foreign country, it is russia trying to come in and influence in some way this election. Might be to undermine american democracy. It might not be to try to but thats what they do. Thats why you have to investigate. First its the election then what, their cyber warfare comes in and tries to undermine our intelligence, then its, what, our Defense Systems<\/a> . This is russias m. O. , they want to undermine democracies in europe so they can expand their geographic footprint, they want to weaken nato, and they want a weak america. Thats what they think theyve got in donald trump. I was not a cheerleader of the president elect during the primary for sure, but to me it feels theres more than one undermining going on. I feel we see this every single time a democrat loses a general election, theres some sort of narrative, jake, that floats out there that somehow discredits the vote this is the cia. The cia said a general consensus. Im open to specifics and so far i havent seen that. I do agree with this, though, and heres the one thing i do believe warrants some sort of investigation, regardless of what everyones Party Identification<\/a> is, you have an organization, the dnc, which was hacked. Whether or not this affected the general election, that remains to be seen and im not going to be convinced on a consensus, particularly when the fbi already did a forensic investigation and cleared it. But you have the dnc, which was hacked, regardless our party politics, we should be able to say you and the United States<\/a> are free to have an organization where youre able to practice your politics and youre able to have your free speech without it being hacked by a foreign entity. 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Actually, love calling these companies and saying, hi, and i get the president of this company. And i say, hi, how you doing . Hello, mr. President elect, congratulations. Yeah, congratulations. By the way, while were on the phone, dont leave. Please, dont leave. Please. And weve had great success. Youll be seeing a lot more success. That was president elect trump on his thank you tour in iowa talking about his new way of dealing with individual companies. With us now the panel, dina, as a free market conservative, how comfortable are you with this new approach of keeping jobs in the United States<\/a> . Oh all right. So lets just lay it out like this, this is how you get me to be your best friend, when you make remarks like, well, you know, i want to make it so great, the Business Climate<\/a> in the United States<\/a>, i want to make it so big league, that nobody will ever want to leave, because its going to be so great to do business here and other companies are going to want to come to the United States<\/a> and do business. Thats how you deliver that, not like, well, im going to penalize you if you leave. That makes people nervous when you do it like that. On the other hand, i have to say, governor, during the primaries, Bernie Sanders<\/a> when he talked about carrier leaving the United States<\/a>, he suggested the same thing that weve heard coming from the trump ranks, which is their Parent Company<\/a> does a lot of deals with the defense department, why not threaten to take away some of those contracts . Listen, all i can say is, you cant blame any leader, whether president or governor, because governors do this all the time. Or mayor, all the time. To try to get somebody to stay or grow in your thats your job. Part of your job. Good for him for trying to do it. Bad for him lying about the number of jobs, but whatever it takes, put some buy america provisions. Making phone calls is not a strategy. You cant call everybody on the phone. Need a broader strategy, clearly. He needs to put forward what that is. In addition to renegotiating youre giving him credit for this. Giving him credit for trying something, sure. I think well see that as a result of the carrier deal. Well see a more uniform policy dealing with corporations, but this is part of what he ran on, keeping jobs here, making the Work Environment<\/a> better for american workers, and whether it is a stick with providing tariffs on businesses or carrot by providing tax incentives, the end result is keeping jobs here. Heres the problem thats huge. Businesses see that, they are like, oh, my gosh, jobs being created. He overstated the benefits, and those workers that remain are still subject to layoff by automation. So ill give him credit for trying to do something, but lets say the tax incentives came from the state of indiana, didnt come from the federal government. His policy should be to empower governors to be able to have tools to be able to keep those jobs. He should build on what obama was doing on advanced manufacturing sectors that hes put all over the country if he really wants to keep advanced manufacturing here. You love this. I love this. Im all about jobs in america. This is whats interesting, this is one of the issues, you have two democrats at the table applauding this. Applauding the effort to keep jobs in america, but there needs to be policies behind it. You know what im saying. Weve both been chief executives. Two democrats that tried to keep jobs in new orleans and michigan. What about the winners and losers, but im chuckling, dont pick winners and losers. Isnt that the problem here . Trickle down. Free market. Thats the motive behind a uniform policy, youre not picking winners and losers, youre making an environment that creates jobs. First off, lowering the Corporate Tax<\/a> rate from 35 to 15 is great. Why shouldnt businesses be able to keep more revenues to create more jobs and add benefits . But the second thing is, this particular job with carrier, this was done by the state of indiana and i dont think you can replicate this particular move with every single state, because your Vice President<\/a> elect isnt always going to be the governor of that particular state. Indiana chose to do this. This is what voters decided to do. Some of the money going from the state of indiana to carrier will be used to automate the plan, to ultimately get rid of some of this stuff. The bigger stick is using government contracting. You think thats okay to do that . I think its an important tool that we have, to say if were going to do business with you, if the taxpayers are going to do business with you, we want the jobs to be here in the United States<\/a>. We want your company to be committed to the United States<\/a>. Donald trump had a chance this week of telling paul ryan to put in the Water Resources<\/a> development act, which puts pipes in the ground for water, that we want buy america provisions in that. It was an amendment by Sherrod Brown<\/a> and Tammy Baldwin<\/a> on the senate side. Paul ryan did not do it. Donald trump could put his money where his mouth is, ask congress now to put buy america provisions in the Water Resources<\/a> direct address the camera. Right to donald, i know hes watching. Any incentives utilized in other states the way indiana voters and the governor of indiana chose to do this. This is interesting. Then ill be super happy. What happened is interesting. One of the things the conservatives complained about during the primaries, such as you, dana, donald trump is in some ways a democrat, populist democrat. Obviously, not in every way, but here we have an example and its very interesting. Involves being an active chief executive and using the powers of your office, and i would gather other president s have made calls, just didnt tweet it out. Very interesting. We have to go right now. Come on, you made your direct address to donald trump. After the break, body slams, burgers, and blockbusters. The pop culture cabinet that trump is assembling. Its a subject of this weeks state of the cartoon union. I work round the clock. I want my blood sugar to stay in control. So i asked about tresiba\u00ae. Tresiba\u00ae ready tresiba\u00ae is a oncedaily, longacting insulin that lasts even longer than 24 hours. I want to trim my a1c. Tresiba\u00ae ready tresiba\u00ae provides powerful a1c reduction. Releases slow and steady. 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Screw off, coastal elites. Donald trump is stacking his administration with leaders from real american pop culture. Wow. His pick to head the Small Business<\/a> administration is linda mcmahon, ceo of wwe. Making her im pretty sure the only head of that agency to have ever survived one of stone cold steve austins stone cold stunners. Stone cold. His pick to be secretary of labor runs the carls junior and hardys franchise, infamous for the racy commercials with scantily clad models. Have you ever been by a burger before. His pick to head the Treasury Department<\/a> served as an executive producer on mad max fury road. The next season of Celebrity Apprentice<\/a> starring Arnold Schwarzenegger<\/a> and featuring snooki ill be back. Will have donald trump as an executive producer. Is it ridiculous to wonder if the inaugural poem will be given by Andrew Dice Clay<\/a> . Hickory dickory doc. Oh thanks for watching. Im jake tapper in washington. Before we go, a look ahead at tonights cnn heroes airing live tonight right here on cnn. They are the kind and the caring, they are the strong and the brave. They are the ones who see a need, fill a void. Make a difference. Im trying to give them all the opportunities that they deserve into this has become my life. I dont ever want to do anything else. They dont do it for themselves. They do it for all the rest of us, a reminder of whats good in in world and what it truly means to be a hero. We give them the foundation from which they can thrive. A feeling of family. We have transformed the lives of thousands of children. Tonight, cnn presents a very special live event. The tenth annual cnn heroes allstar tribute. Tonight were gathered to celebrate extraordinary men and women who highlight the best of what humanity has to offer. Join those Anderson Cooper<\/a> and kelly ripa as we honor ten extraordinary people. The tenth annual cnn heroes allstar tribute, live tonight at 8 00 on cnn. 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