When the voters vote against you. Or can he get his mojo back in manhattan . Plus, the best political minds will be here with insights from the campaign trail. Hello, im dana bash in for jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is on the money. Bernie sanders supporters in los angeles showered Hillary Clintons motorcade with actual dollar bills as she drove to a starstudded fundraiser hosted by George Clooney and his wife, amal. The cost of the top ticket, a staggering 350,000 per couple. But then clooney, who actually raised a reported 15 million for hillary this week, went on tv and went after big money in politics. It is an obscene amount of money. The sanders campaign, when they talk about it, is absolutely right. Its ridiculous that we should have this kind of money in politics. I agree completely. Clooneys nextdoor neighbor, a sanders supporter, hosted a dueling fundraiser for him with tickets priced at 27. Joining me now is democratic president ial candidate Bernie Sanders. And senator sanders, you heard clooney there, he almost sounds like hes feeling the bern. Well, i have a lot of respect for George Clooneys honesty and integrity on this issue. He is right. One of the great tragedies of American Life today is the degree to which big money is buying elections in which elected officials become responsive to the needs of wall street and wealthy Campaign Contributors rather than the needs of ordinary people. And dana, im so proud that in this campaign, we have now raised almost 7 million individual contributions, averaging 27 apiece. That is unprecedented in american history. But you realize, senator, that he just raised millions of dollars for your opponent. So is he backing the wrong horse here . Well, i think he is. But he is honest enough to say that there is something wrong when few people, in this case, wealthy individuals, but in other instances for the secretary, it is wall street and powerful special interests who are able to contribute unbelievably large sums of money. Thats not what democracy is about. That is a Movement Toward oligarchy. And that is why weve got to overturn Citizens United and why i have run this campaign on the basis of saying were going to make it on contributions averaging 27 bucks apiece rather than being dependent on big money. But this is the issue of american politics today. Do we have a government that represents all of us or just the 1 . And youre not going to have a government that represents all of us so long as you have candidates like secretary clinton being dependent on bigmoney interests. Senator, you just visited the vatican where you had a meeting with the pope. Vice President Joe Biden was asked about your trip. I want to you listen to what he said. I just think that bernie making a trip is a good thing, but to suggest that the pope would embrace bernies policies, i dont think thats the case. I dont know. I doubt it. Senator, whats your response to that . Well, you know, i love joe, and no one is suggesting that the pope is embracing my policies. What i will tell you is i was very proud to have been invited by the vatican to an important conference dealing with morality in economics. And, in my view, that is exactly the issue of the day. We have got to create an economics which is based on morality dealing with the needs of working families and the elderly and the children and the sick and the poor, rather than an economy which is based on greed and the needs of wall street and big corporations. And the fact that i was invited there was very for me, a very moving experience, and thats the fight that we are going to continue to wage. We have massive levels of income and wealth inequality in this country. The rich are getting richer. Almost everybody else is getting poorer. Weve got to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. We need to create millions of decentpaying jobs. And i have been so impressed ever since pope francis came into power of his willingness to take on special interests, to talk about climate change, and the need to transform our energy system. So, you know, i have probably been one of the members of Congress Talking more often about the extraordinary role that pope francis is playing in raising issues that so rarely get discussed. Senator, lets return to what you were talking about before, money in politics. At this weeks debate in brooklyn, i asked you to name one decision Hillary Clinton made as senator that shows she was influenced by the donations she got. You really didnt answer the question. So lets try it again. Can you point to a decision that Hillary Clinton made as senator that shows she favored banks because of the donations she received . As a matter of fact, she voted for a bad bankruptcy legislation. But and whether that is a result of contributions from wall street or elsewhere, you know, no one can say that, dana. But what i would also repeat to you is the most important issue is what is your stand on wall street . And i think, to me, when you have it being very clear that wall streets greed and illegal behavior you know, Goldman Sachs just paid a 5 billion settlement with the government. When you have that kind of greed and illegal behavior, bringing our economy into the worst economic recession since the 30s, i think the Immediate Response must be to break up these large financial institutions. That is my view. That is the view of a number of leading economists. That is not Hillary Clintons position. Now, also at the debate, you were asked about sandy hook families who want to sue gun manufacturers. You said, quote, they have the right to sue. But just last week, you told the daily news the opposite. Listen. I think the right of a crime with a gun should be able to sue the manufacturer, thats your question . Correct. No, i dont. So senator, what changed . Well, what changed is if you go into the interview a little longer, youll see the nuance of the interview. Of course anyone has the right to sue. They just won an initial decision in their favor last week. But if you go into that discussion a little bit longer, do i end up believing that if a Gun Store Owner, a small Gun Store Owner in Rural Vermont or anyplace else, sells you a weapon legally you come in with all your proper identification, you pass the background check, you illegally purchase a gun and you go out and shoot somebody, that Gun Store Owner should be held liable, i dont. I really dont. But ive got to tell you also on this issue of these assault weapons, lets be clear. Back in 1988 in vermont, i likely lost an election because i alone stood up to the gun people and said no, i dont think that assault weapons should be sold or distributed in america. That was my view then. Thats the type of weapon that caused that horrific tragedy in sandy hook. Those weapons should not be made available in the United States of america. So in that sense, i agree with the sandy hook parents. But its a question of how you go forward. Lets talk about something in the news that will be on your plate as a sitting u. S. Senator. Saudi arabia has told the Obama Administration that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars of American Assets if Congress Allows the saudi government to help to be held responsible in american courts for any role in the 9 11 attacks. How do you intend to vote as a senator . Well, i need more information before i can give you a decision. But clearly i have, as you have heard me say, a whole lot of concerns about the role that saudi arabia has been playing for many, many years, not just the individuals who came from saudi arabia who attacked us on 9 11. But their support for isis and other terrorist organizations. The saudi family is a huge family. Many hundreds if not thousands of people in the ruling family worth many hundreds of billions of dollars. But if i may, senator, in general, should saudi arabia be should it be possible to hold them liable in u. S. Courts . Well, youre asking me to give you a decision about a situation and a piece of legislation that i am not familiar with at this point. And ive got to have more information on that. So youve got to get some information before you can render, i think, a sensible decision. But i do have a lot of concerns about the role, in general, that saudi arabia has played and the royal family has played in supporting wahhabism which is the extreme rightwing Islamic Movement which is part of what isis and al qaeda are about. And finally, senator, on friday, you released last years tax returns. Secretary clinton has posted her tax returns from the past eight years. So will you do the same . We will post more of them, yes, we will. I dont have to be honest with you, our tax returns showed us that we made more money we made less money in a given year than secretary clinton made in one speech. We dont have a bunch of jane and i dont have a bunch of accountants working for us. We will get it out. I think we have all that information, and we will get them out as soon as we can. By when . Which will be very soon. We got out one. Well get out more. Like this week . Probably. Okay. Senator, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it. Good to talk to you. Thank you, dana. 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He says the system is rigged, the vote is no longer a vote. What do you think . Do you think the system is rigged . Well, i dont know no, i think its the way it works. You know, its like saying i made an 83 on my math test, so i should get an a just because i think its rigged that you have to make a 90 to get an a. Come on, act like youre a professional. Be a pro. The next six contests starting here in new york are in the northeast and the midatlantic. Right. Those are really tailor made for your brand of compassionate conservatism. So if you cant win in these states, whats your rationale for the convention . Right. Well, winning is accumulating delegates. I dont have to win the state. I have to accumulate delegates and have momentum going in. Look, dana, i am not going to whine, okay, but im going to tell you the facts. There was because i was ignored for so long, there was coke, pepsi and kasich. And so you go shopping, you know, theyre out there shopping and a spouse says, okay, theres copy, pepsi and kasich. Well, kasichs kind of interesting, yeah, but were going with one of the known brands. And now that the brand is getting up, its now coke, pepsi and kasich, and now we have to cross the rubicon so people can know who i am and the team i have around me. So to me, its continuing to accumulate delegates and go into that convention as the person standing who can beat hillary. I understand what you mean about accumulating delegates, but and i know that the heart of your pitch is that you can beat Hillary Clinton. Right. But the fact of the matter s is, it is a hard sell if you get to the convention and say, you know, vote for me, even though youve only won small state. Only a small incidental state, by the way. No question its an important state, ohio, but we know you can win ohio. Youre the governor. But then im not going to have you as a delegate. Seriously. I mean, seriously . We are going to nominate somebody who can win in the fall. Why do i win in the fall . Because we have been able we, our team, has been able to put a message that appeals to bluecollar conservative democrats and independents. I mean, i will make the democrats have to fight in places where they havent fought for decades. And thats going to be appealing to people. Now, maybe if they say if you didnt win this state or that state, youre out. That will be their choice. Im copacetic with it. And having the greatest time still. I can tell. Still. Im eating my way across every single part of new york. I see. Thats a lot of food. Well, its good food, yes. Im going to get to that later. On the campaign trail this week, a female College Student asked what you would do as president to help protect her from sexual assault. You gave a long answer at the end, you said, you would give her some advice, which is to avoid parties with alcohol. Since then, you have made clear that you have a strong record in ohio to help probably the strongest in the country. Helping on the issue of sexual assault, but on the question of whether or not women, young women, should avoid parties with alcohol, do you still give that advice . No, no, no, i said well, look. I mean, my daughters are sometime going to go to college, and theyre going to go to parties where theres alcohol. Its just you have to be careful. My only comment on it, you know, it gets to be when alcohols involved, it becomes more difficult for justice to be rendered for a whole variety of reasons. But we can still find a perpetrator. So but you understand why a lot of people, women in particular, took that as, wow, hes blaming the victim. Or hes even giving some culpability to the victim . Actually, i dont know how anybody would take it that way. Because its taken a while to change the stigma of getting people to come out. Dana, i have led the way in the country to fight this and to get justice served in these conditions. I think even if, in fact, there is alcohol involved, you still have you still can find the perpetrator. I just dont want justice to be denied because something comes up that a prosecutor looks at and says, well, i cant figure this thing out. Just to put a button on this, and then well move on. Even if all of the mechanisms of justice are in place in a perfect way, if a young woman doesnt feel like she can come forward well because shes at a party with alcohol oh, no, no, no, no, no. I dont care if theyre at a party with alcohol. Im just saying be careful. Thats what i would tell my daughters, be careful. But are you kidding me . Somebody gets sexually assaulted . Of course were going to get to the bottom of it. And i want to make sure that justice is done, which is exactly look, when our folks first sat down with the colleges and universities, i have a lady attorney who sort of led this effort for me. They didnt quite know what to do. And i said, i dont care about what they know or dont know. We are going to have a system in place to make sure that the women on our College Campuses are protected and if something would happen to them, that justice can be done. That, in fact, the perpetrator can be held. So, you know, i dont its lets go on. Okay. At this weeks cnn town hall, you said, quote, you know, i dont like anything big. Big government, big business or big labor. It surprised me to hear you say you dont like big business. Did you mean that . Yeah. Ive said it all my lifetime. Of course. I dont like let me give you an example. You think i dont get upset when i hear that a Company Might move something out . Where i was just in i dont remember which town, but a lady came up to me, she said, im being forced to train my replacements who dont live in the United States. And it outrages me. Of course it does. Look, you know so you dont like big business that goes overseas, but youre obviously in favor of big business that comes to ohio. Well, im not against big business providing jobs, but thats not look, most of the jobs get created