Be sent to Vladimir Putin. Is a u. S. Russia proxy war already underway. Senator john mccain joins us live. Then senator Elizabeth Warren. She will not run for president this time, but that doesnt mean she isnt watching the race. Plus, whats her beef with biden and the best Political Team on television will be here with insights from the campaign trail. Hello im jake tapper in washington with some breaking news out of South Carolina where there ask a flood of catastrophic proportions underway. At least 140 people have already been rescued from streets overcome with rain. And emergency workers are trying to free more people trapped in videos. Roads and highways are closed across the street. Lets get to the cnn Weather Center for the latest on this lifethreatening storm. Were looking at some pretty incredible numbers out here. Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina, 24 inches of rain. Were talking 2 feet just in the last couple of days from this storm. Columbia picking up 18 inches of rain. And the charleston airport, 16 inches. Also keep in mind, that downtown charleston area has officially had its wettest october on record. Its only october 4th. So incredible numbers coming out of this area. Also gills creek observed at 17 feet. Thats major flood stage. The previous record was only 9 feet. So were talking about doubling the old record. Again, this is why theyre having so many of the flooding problems because its just so much water in that area. We still have flood watches and flood warnings. Unfortunately, the rain is going to continue basically bring charleston and wilmington, stretching over towards columbia. Not much relief until tuesday. Were learning more details about the campus shooting in oregon this week that left nine people dead and another nine grooefsly wounded. One relative telling the shooter designated one man in the classroom as, quote, the lucky one, handed him an envelope and told him to stand in the corner as the shooting continues. Police say his motives remain unclear as of now. We learned the names of his victims. Lucero alcaraz, quinn glenn cooper, 18, kim satmarsh dietz, jason dale johnson, 34. Lawrence lavine, 67 and sarena moore, 44. President obama called on the american bupublic to take actio. This is a Political Choice that we make to allow this to happen every few months in america. We collectively are answeriable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction. Joining me now is mark kelly of americans for responsible solutions whose wife was shot by a gunman in tucson, arizona, who killed six other people. I want to get to gun laws in a second. Before i do, after sandy hook, president obama talked about addressing this crisis, going after the culture, addressing Mental Health issues and also gun laws. Right now, the white house only seems focused on gun laws. Is that the right approach . First of all, let me say that gabby and i are saddened by the shooting in umpqua. Its sad that we have this situation where it almost seems now weekly theres a mass shooting. We have gun violence 15 to 20 times higher than other developed nations. For one basic reason, we have a lot of loopholes in our gun laws and our leaders should do something about that. The president talked about a political solution to this problem. One of the other sad issues is that this has become a political a political issue in our country today and our leaders need to fix that. Do you think there is only way to approach this, through gun laws, and that the cultural components are not as important . No. I think its all important. You know, but one thing is really clear. We sell 40 of our guns without a background check. That means felons, people who are dangerously mentally ill have easy access to guns. Mental health is certainly an issue too. We have laws that make it easy for domestic abusers and stalkers to get their hands on guns. Theres one pretty basic and simple situation. Members of congress and people you know, elected leaders in state legislatures around the country can certainly do something about it. You know, we really need to call on washington d. C. , members of the house and senate to take action on this issue. The gunmans father in mercer, he spoke about the tragedy on saturday. Take a listen. Every time Something Like this happens, they talk about it and nothing is done. Im not trying to say that thats to blame for what happened. If chris had not been able to get ahold of 13 guns, it wouldnt have happened. This is an important issue to you personally. How much as something of a victim of this, how much do you blame the parents for letting a child spiral out of control like this . Do they bear any responsibility . Well, we see time and time again, especially with Mass Shootings that there ask a component of Mental Illness with the shooter. Weve seen that in tucson, sandy hook, aurora, now in roseburg. You know, i think people who are around an individual with Mental Illness do have some responsibility and that does include the parents. You know, the fbi has a profile on individuals like this. And it steps somebody through. You can see, you know, what are the symptoms of somebody with Mental Illness. And you know, folks need to take action and get people first, you know, evaluated for Mental Illness. And then if there is a serious problem, get them adjudicated mentally ill. More important that that, we have to close these loopholes that make it easy for them to get firearms. What gun laws can you point to that specifically would have prevented the shooting in roseburg, oregon, or any of the horrific shooting events weve seen in the last five years or so . You know you know, with individual events, sometimes there isnt a specific law that you can point to that would prevent a tragedy like this from happening. But with a combination of some really common sense things that most americans support, you know, stuff like lets require a background check before even gets a gun and lets try to get people identified as mentally ill if they are dangerously mentally ill, then lets get that information to the National Criminal background check system which is managed by the fbi. Often in the case of these Mass Shootings, if there were a couple components, if we did things better, some of these tragedies could be prevented. I want to ask you about gunfree zones. Because oregon is a state where people can carry concealed weapons on them. But the school itself, Umpqua Community college was a gunfree zones. It seems to a lot of people that that might attract bad guys. Theres been about less than 15 of them have happened in a gunfree zone. And theres no indication from another study that any shooter intentionally went to a gunfree zone. You often see that some folks will say that thats why somebody went to a gunfree zone. Theres no evidence of that. I think the idea is where there are more guns, people are less safe. I mean, if you have a gun in, you know, any kind of situation where things start to get heated, i mean theres a higher likelihood that somebodys going to get shot. I think when we see in states where the gun laws are the strongest, there are less deaths from gun violence. I mean, that is certainly clear. All right. Mark kelly, thank you so much. Please send our best to gabby giffords. Youre welcome. Coming up, what exactly is Vladimir Putin up to in syria . Its not what you think says my next guest senator john mccain, joining me after this quick break. When youre not confident your companys data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. At at t we monitor our Network Traffic so we can see things others cant. 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Officials are suspicious of Vladimir Putins motives given that he hit forces opposed to his ally, syrian president assad, the pentagon learned of the russian air strikes just an hour before they were launched. That approach is tantamount as i said then, to pouring gasoline on the fire. Joining me now is senator john mccain. I want to get to syria in just a moment. I do want to start in afghanistan. There was a bombing killing 19 members of the staff and patients and injuring 37. The u. N. High commissioner for human rights says it may be criminal. Youre a former navy pilot. So you have some insight into this and many of us dont. How can Something Like this happen . Well, we call it fog of war unfortunately and its a tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers go out to them. Its a wonderful organization, as you know, the doctors without borders. If we had had a forward air controller, it very most likely would not have happened. This is also a result of our withdrawal. And by the way, it was surprising this Taliban Attack in kunduz because its in the northern part of the country where the taliban have never been as strong as they have in other parts of the country. So element of surprise, failure to have Forward Air Controllers there, and fog of war. Its one of the reasons why we hate was. President obama saying on friday that his administration is not going to make syria into a proxy war with russia. Take a listen. Were not going to make syria into a proxy war between the United States and russia. That would be bad strategy on our part. This is not some, you know, super power chest board contest. My question to you, senator, is this conflict in syria already a proxy war with russia . Of course it is. When the president says were not going to have we dont have a strategy. Excuse me . We dont have a strategy. Jake, you had to recall the events that took place over the weekend when the president , when john kerry, we were watching this military buildup including antiaircraft missile batteries and fighter aircraft, isis doesnt have fighter aircraft. And so that was kind of interesting. But more importantly, john kerry called lavrov three times. The president met for 90 minutes with Vladimir Putin. Then 48 hours later, a russian general shows up at our embassy in baghdad to give us an hour warning. That is treating the United States with disdain and contempt. Of course they are i hitting the Free Syrian Army enclaves and places which have had some success. This is the ciarun operations. And they want to take them out. What Vladimir Putin and assad want to do is provide us with the choice between isis and bashar assad. In order to do that, you take out the Free Syrian Army, which the case the d. Od rained group is now down to four or five, approximately 9 million each. Hillary clinton broke with president obama this week. She called for a no fly zone over syria. President obama was asked about that. He said theres a difference between running for president and being president. Who do you side with on this idea of a no side zone, secretary clinton or president obama . Well, obviously secretary clinton. But more importantly, general David Petraeus testified not too many days ago where he really laid out a strategy of what we need to do. Stop the barrel bombing, establish a nofly zone, arm the kurds, get some Forward Air Controllers at work there, build up the Free Syrian Army again. Its not too late. This flood of refugees is a direct result of our failed policy. It was a year ago the president said our goal was to grade and destroy isis. We have made no progress there. And of course, we now see Vladimir Putin inserting himself into the middle east in a way that russia has not been since they threw the russians out in 1973, hes maintaining his base and now dictating the pace of events in syria which is of course an abdication of American Leadership. With the exception of Lindsay Graham who you have endorsed, none of the other republican president ial candidates are calling for such aggressive recommendations as you are. In fact, listen to what your partys frontrunner donald trump told cnns erin burnett in terms of letting russia fight isis in syria. Let syria and isis fight. Let isis and syria fight. And let russia theyre in syria already, let them fight isis. Let russia take care of isis. How many places can we be . Thats your partys frontrunner, sir. What do you say . Well, i guess the question is, is do we want to keep slaughtering people in syria and that are fighting for freedom . Do we want to continue the barrel bombing which is one of the reasons why 240,000 syrians have been murdered . Do we want this flood of refugees to continue . Right, but what do you think of Donald Trumps position and why do you think your party i just one, i dont think he understands very well the situation. And hes entitled to his opinion. As far as other members of my party are concerned, that all i can say is, i know the realities. Ive been there for years. We have said what needed to be done and predicted what was going to happen. If there isnt a reassertion of American Leadership in a variety of way such as recommended by many experts, then we will face greater consequences of an abject failure of American Leadership. I want to ask you about the tone and tenor of the race on the republican side. A couple weeks ago, donald trump was at a town hall when somebody said that the problem in the United States is muslims. He didnt say anything to correct the individual who also said president obama was a muslim, which is obviously not true. You took a very different position in 2008. When somebody said something in a town hall, you corrected the woman in question. You called president obama a decent family man and a citizen. Whats your impression of whats going on in the cam pap trail when you heart your party reacting or not reacting when such language is used . I think were hurting ourselves and our chances to win the general election. If we disparage each other, then after the primary is over, then obviously theres a theres a trust and support deficit amongst the American People. Im not utopian, jake. Ive always believed that a fight not joined is a fight not enjoyed. But i wish that we would think about Ronald Reagan and the way he conducted his campaigns. We can fight like blazes with each other where we disagree. But to impugn each others characters and integrity is very harmful to each other, ourselves and our chances of winning a general election. Do leaders have a responsibility to condemn bigotry when they hear it . Oh, yes, i believe so. Why do you think people in your party are not doing it . Im not sure. But i think theres a lot of people in the party that are not happy about the tenor of some of the remarks and the allegations about each other. And, again, i sense a great dissatisfaction with washington here in arizona, but i also hear a lot of dissatisfaction about, one, the issues that are being discussed, which are not particularly revent, and, two, the personal attacks that are being made. And im afraid we will pay a price for it at the polls. And i hope well change. Thank you so much for your time. Coming up, democratic darling senator Elizabeth Warren weighing in on the 2016 race and whether she could support Vice President joe biden. We have disagreed. You bet. 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