an appeal which is very unusual. rulings in britain are usually final. justice a landmark sentence for convicted war criminal and former president of liberia, charles taylor. he's been sentenced to 50 years in prison by a special international court. he's convicted of supporting rebels in sierra leon who slaughtered thousands of people during the country's 11-year civil war. taylor armed rebels in exchange for so-called blood diamonds. mitt romney unofficialing clinching the rop nomination for president. he won last night's texas primary putting him over the number of 1,144 delegates. beryl is once again a tropical storm, forecast to head up the coast of north and south carolina today. the storm has already dumped up to a foot of rain, packing winds of 35 miles per hour and could lead to dangerous rip currents and rough surf. chinese human rights activist chen guangcheng says his country fails to enforce its own laws and insists its abusive treatment of dissidents threatens its stability. he writes "after the local police discovered my escape a furious pack of thugs, not one in uniform, bearing no search or arrest warrants and refusing to identify themselves scaled the wall of my brother's farmhouse in the dead of night, smashed through the doors and brutally assaulted my brother. after detaining him the gang returned twice more, severely beating my sister-in-law and nephew with pick axes. they traveled 2,000 miles to crack the curse of the billy goat, the curse that haunted their beloved chicago cubs since 1945 and raise money for cancer research. yesterday the cubs presented them with a check for $1 for every mile but bad news, wrigley the goat was not allowed into the stadium, just like back in 1945, that curse was started after a local fan and his goat were kicked out of a world series game because his goat was too stinky. the cubs haven't won a world series since 1908 and they are bound and determined there will be no goat in wrigley field. >> i'm surprised about that. i mean really, wherer this -- >> i'm not. you let one goat in you got to let them all. >> the curse. >> the slippery slope argument. >> try to reverse the curse. >> start by winning a game, start small. >> bring the goat in first. it will be a matter of time. we get to our top story this morning on the day mitt romney was trying to get voters to focus on jobs and the economy and why he should be the next president he was overshadowed by a man and his issue. listen. >> a lot of people don'tte of h this is official, he was born in hi hawaii on this date why do you deny that? >> a lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate. i know you won't report it but many do not hit it it was authentic. his mother was not in the hospital, there were many other things that came out. >> kevin madden was trying to distance the governor from donald trump's comments on "anderson cooper" last night. >> every time this issue has come up governor romney made it very clear he disagrees with donald trump and disagreeds with his emphasis on the issuissue. >> white house correspondent press secretary says that's not enough. ray brownstein, worked in the bush white house and will cain and margaret hoover. nice to see you all. >> good morning. >> the birther thing won't go away. i thought after it was officially well why are you doing this will? >> it's not going away because of donald trump, and it's still here. >> it's neat only donald trump. other republican officials in nevada and north carolina and other places who raised it. there is a chunk of the republican party that believes this erroneously and polling is pretty clear there's a core in there that continues to hold these beliefs. seems indicative of a broader concern of who barack obama is and the change that he represents. that point of view finds voices within the republican coalition and mitt romney as he was earlier with rick santorum on the separation of church and state, with rush limbaugh on the attack on the georgetown student over the contraception debate mitt romney is uncertain when it comes to the voices in his party and he could do more to squash this if he wanted to. >> the governor was campaigning in las vegas yesterday and talking about something that a voter had said to him and i want to play that clip. do we have that? could you guys play that? . >> i was speaking with one of these business owners who owns a couple of restaurants in town and he said, "you know, i'd like to change the constitution. i'm not sure i can do it," he said, "but i'd like to have a provision in the constitution that in addition to the age of the president and the citizenship of the president, and the birth place of the president being set by the constitution, i'd like it also to say that the president has to spend at least three years working in business before he can become president of the united states." >> will cain, what was that about? >> i think that was about promoting businessmen as appropriate leaders of the united states. >> you don't think there was anything interesting in talking about the constitution saying the age of the president and the birth place of the president and the citizenship of of the president, the long run-up to something about business which the romney campaign consistently says is their focus. margaret hoover come on. >> you said will cain and didn't get the answer you like. >> it's not the answer i like. i think you're not being honest with me. >> excuse me, when i'm accused of being dishonest you can be assured i will respond. >> good, you go. >> i think this is the unfortunate happenstance of including donald trump in your news coverage. we expand the narrative to assume that everything mitt romney says when he's speaking on the value of business experience that -- >> run that clip again. >> no, you can play it as soon as i'm done but let me finish this. >> i'm not saying every little thing. i'm saying this particular clip where he talks about changing the constitution because the age, the birth place, the citizenship and then goes on and talks about the business. let's play the clip and then margaret i'll get to you. >> i was speaking with one of these business owners who owns a couple of restaurants in town and he said, "you know, i'd like to change the constitution. i'm not sure i can do it," he said, "but i'd like to have a provision in the constitution that in addition to the age of the president and the citizenship of the president, and the birth place of the president being set by the constitution, i'd like it also to say that the president has to spend at least three years working in business before he can become president of the united states." >> on the day when birther is something that donald trump has raised as your top story in the news you're really going to do that? just happens to be. >> genuinely my view is if you go around the country and talk to the tea party and talking to people, the talk of the constitution is prevalent in every single conversation people are carrying their pocket constitutions, there's been a return to the constitution and return to our roots. i think since they've read the constitution they know that age is in the constitution. they know that birth place is in the constitution. they know citizenship is in the constitution. i genuinely believe that mitt romney who has been accused by some reporters as being a bit of literally this is a quote "malfunctions automaton" sometimes he makes unfortunately unparallels at the wrong time. it doesn't scheme it was malorchestrated or malevolent. >> i didn't intend that. >> i'm just refusing the notion that this was orchestrated. i just think it was unfortunate. >> first of all it would be great to have a constitutional amendment that would protect us from abraham lincoln and president radios settle who did not have the business experience romney called for. i disagree with you, romney above all is the one who has let the oxygen into the story by two decisions, first the decision to appear prominently with trump and second the decision to remain silent as trump doubled down on the discredited allegations. the fundamental story is not donald trump bloviating as was spoken yesterday but romney holding back and being fundamentally silent while trump is bloef vating as he was on rush limbaugh and -- >> i had been on this association with donald trump is a bad decision. you do not want to be teammates with donald trump. he puts out a negative viewpoint. i will not allow that opinion and narrative to be expanded into this concept that mitt romney is in fact a birth en'playing into the birther issue. >> no one has said. >> should we play the clip again? >> the reason i say play the clip again is because what you said is just happenstance. i'm playing the clip again because there are words in there i think there are people who would argue are not happenstance as margaret says unfortunate on the day the thing you probably should not do, ixnay on the birther thing, you're going to talk about the president's place of birth and citizenship? it seems like an unfortunate -- >> the main thing to take away from the conversation it's a great illustration of why donald trump should not abtached to mitt romney. >> or vice versa. >> if that statement lived on its own without donald trump in our world we wouldn't be talking about. >> exactly right. i'm worn out, only ten minutes into the program. i'll have to get something stronger than tea. still ahead on "starting point," as the crisis in syria reached a tipping point, now 11 countries are kicking out their syrian ambassadors and there is talk that this nation should help arm syria. person who is getting a play-by-play on what's happening. david letterman opening up in a rare interview, about his wife, regina and life after 9/11. here's margaret playlist, a good treadmill song "all the lights" a little kanye. ♪ a party? 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>> i would be more aggressive with our arab league partners. i'm not sure arming is the right answer here, mainly because we're just not exactly sure who the bad guys are and who the good guys are right now in syria so you don't know who you're giving weapons to. al qaeda has been attempting to infiltrate and we've seen them do bombings in damascus. more concerted effort by taking standing shoulder to shoulder with the arab league who does want to do more in syria is probably the best course of action. >> you get a sense that allies, even those who have sort of talked about arming the opposition and not even specifically which opposition, seem to see big risks in even diplomacy. it looks to me as if the diplomacy kofi annan's plan is failing and miserably, exhibit "a" the massacre this weekend, so what kind of diplomacy moves from where we are now to something that's aggressive and going to work? >> i'm not saying just diplomacy. remember i'm the intelligence chairman. we have tools at our disposal i believe we're not using in syria and need to use in syria and that combs through our efforts with the arab league so there are things that we can do without arming the rebels and what keeps me up at night we know of at least a dozen or so sites that have serious chemical weapon caches and that's just what we know of in syria, so we have a national security interest to say we need to make sure this thing all happens correctly, all the right steps are taken so that we don't lose these weapon caches and something more horrific happens. it has to be tempered and aggressive. one piece that's miss something we're not being aggressive with our arab league partners in certain capabilities the united states has, really no one else has that can have an impact on the assad regime in syria and the other part of this, we need to put pressure on russia. we expect iran to support syria and they are. russia needs to decide if they're going to be on the side of the rest of the world or isolate their behavior when it comes to supporting the assad regime in syria. >> you say tools at our disposele. what do you specifically mean? >> i couldn't talk about specifics but there are certain things and capabilities that the united states hats that can in conjunction with our arab league partners could provide a tipping point so it would provide certain capabilities to units that we know who are trying to overthrow the assad regime that we can vet, that we can test, that we can understand who completely that they are, and we can empower them to be more effective in what they do and i think that kind of activity should happen and we need to stop talk about it and start engaging with our arab league partners. >> going back to your point about russia, they may be the diplomatic variable. what do you think the west can do to make russia more comfortable with the idea of a regime change in syria and move them to the side of putting pressure on assad? >> well, you know, a big part of it is, it's russia's last toehold in the middle east and i think there is attachment to the notion that, and by the way assad is holding on and looks like he's doi ining pretty well there. they're making this calculation he's going to win and they're going to have the toehold in the middle east through syria. we need to change that dynamic. we need to convince our russians this is not in their best interests, that some of this slaughtering of women and children is going to get on them as well, and that's just not the place they want to be in the world, and they need, again a little public pressure, a little bilateral effort from the united states and others, other european allies, i think can turn tushia on what's happening. i don't think they want to be on the wrong side of a slaughter in a town like hula. we need to put the question to them, where do you want to be when this is over. we'd like you to be with theest a rest of the world. they also have huge weapon sales going into syria, another big problem we have to deal with. >> congressman mike rogers, nice to see you there. >> great to see you shall appreciate it. >> he was talking about the opposition, russia sort of betting on the side of the assad regime and clearly no matter how terrible some of these massacres have been, the opposition is clearly not easy to wipe out. they are continuing to fight back. >> the congressman said he doesn't think or hopes russia doesn't want to find itself on the wrong side of the massacres like what took place in hula. we have a quote from the foreign minister of russia saying he's concerned certain countries will use its hula massacre as a pretext or voicing demands related to regime change, basically saying russia will not come to the side of the good and as long as that's true the united nations basically has no role in the process. >> he said something interesting, too, i asked him what specifically, obvious he will he's like i cannot tell you specifically intelligence rules will not allow me to do that, but then he went on to say there are people on the inside that maybe could be swayed and there is conversations about the inside the military, if in fact those people are sort of on the fence. >> and the part of the diplomacy with russia is whether you can make them more comfortable with the successor regime is the one point of leverage. >> it's hard to break up the regime because they're sectarians and aloites. the other question i have, why don't we know who the rebels are? this has been going on for 15 months. we don't know who the bad guys, who the good guys are, who we should or shouldn't arm. >> you make good points. >> and that's a policy choice if we don't know who the rebels are, we haven't tried to find out. >> i think it's unusual circumstance unlike something like libya where you have many opposition and it's harder to figure out which to arm. >> we're burying the lead here. republican chairman of the house intelligence committee just completely disavowed mitt romney's call for arming the rebels, much less john mccain and lindsay graham and others who want to go further into air strikes. an important point to show how little stomach there is for either party becoming embroiled with this. ahead on "starting point" a big get real to facebook ceo mark zuckerberg, honeymooning in italy and not making friends with the waiters in rome. we'll tell you why. >> good news, i'll tell you why. >> the president has a problem with the polls, i don't mean polls, i mean people in poland, the speech the president would like to do over, if he could. you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment. 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"meet the press" earlier this month. the democratic mayor is an obama surrogate but said he was nauseated by the president's attack ads against mitt romney. for the first time ever an apology from the former rutgers student for using a web cam to spy on a roommate who later killed himself. dharun ravi will begin serving a 30-day sentence. in a written statement he said "i accept responsibility for and regret my thoughtless, insensitive, immature, stupid and child irchoices i made." don't rule out a mitt romney/jeb bush ticket. he feels a duty to help romney defeat barack obama. bush says physician request romney were to offer me the job of vice president i would consider the proposal carefully" and he adds "but i don't think he'll pick me." a slipup by president obama infuriated poland's political leaders. the president misspoke during the medal of freedom ceremonies when he referred to a polish death camp instead of a german death camp. here's the comment causing all of this controversy. >> before one trip across enemy lines resistance fighters told him jews were being murdered on a massive scale and smuggled them into a warsaw jail in a polish death camp to see for himself. >> poland's prime minister is calling it ignorant and expected to address the public today. >> that would be a nazi death camp, not a polish death camp. kind of a mistake. a judge has ordered the construction be stopped on a mosque in tennessee, the mosque was a focus of a documentary i did last march called unwelcome, the muslims next door, in murfreesboro, tennessee. yesterday a judge ruled the county didn't give proper public notice before they allowed construction to begin. saleh sbnati is with us this morning. what exactly does this ruling mean? it means construction stops immediately but what does it mean for the future? >> we're hoping to apply for the permit again. we really received this sad news and it was really shocking to the whole community, and we're saddened and we're just trying to perhaps basically see what the next step is for us. we've talked to the various parties. we are a very small community and faced with this vicious and unjustified attack, and therefore, we are just going to sit back and see what the next step is going to be, most likely we are going to apply again for the permit. and hopefully this time the county commissions and the various county officials will make it right. you know, we were surprised because there were several thousands of decisions based on the same process. we followed the process acco according to the law, according to the rule of law, and therefore, i'm not sure why we are singled out. during the day that our site plan was approved there were several permits given. why we are singled out, it's beyond me. it's really hard to understand. we were really saddened by this news. our community has been -- yes? >> i was going to read because you were talking about being singled out. the judge sailed the meeting at issue was a regularly scheduled meeting but a meeting where a major importance to citizens was being discussed. thus the meeting was reasonably notice was required. he's saying for this kind of an issue, building a mosque, you have a higher standard for you as opposed to all those others as you point out who not only applied but also approved. >> well, as you know, we have a church next door, and they have applied through the same process, and they were approved through the same process. i'm not sure why we would be any different. we are just american citizens as anybody else. why are we singled out, just because we worship in a bit different way? this is not justified in my view. i understand that probably there should have been a better way of notifying the public, but this has been the process for several years, so why now it is so crucial that we need to rectify and do better for a public hearing. go ahead. >> mr. spenaty can you say clearly you believe the reason the permit has not been given is because specifically of religious discrimination against your mossk? >> there is no question about it that we are singled out just because of our faith. our community has been the subject of vandalism, arson, intimidation, lawsuit, bomb threats, and you name it, and you know, we have in murfreesboro, which is a small town of 100,000, we have about 180 different religious and worshipping places. s so to say that only now we need to notify the public in a better way, i mean, its eight to me kind of really ironic. >> saleh spenaty, spokesman for the islamic center at murfreesboro, a professor at tennessee state university. the next hearing is the middle of june. we'll see what happens. >> thank you for having me. >> a ronner blind-folded and secretly taken into al qaeda's home base in yemen. we'll tell you what he discovered while he was risking his life. regis philbin and david letterman, and why letterman didn't want to go back on the air after 9/11. here's tom petty "i won't back down." ♪ so someone a master of morning television, the other a legend of late night tv filling in for piers morgan last night, regis philbin scored a rare interview with david letterman. >> i have been guilty of appearing to be playing partisan politics. however, i'd just like to say that for the record i am a registered independent. you go where the material takes you. poor bill clinton, no president that i'm aware of got hammered harder than bill president, bill clinton over the monica lewinsky situation. we beat up on him. we still use him as a reference. and then we were desperate, we thought well, this was so easy, and then we got george bush and within a matter of days we realized our prayers have been answered, he's just as good in terms of material. >> can i say something? saying that you're a registered independent does not absolve of you all the other things that come out of your mouth. i like david letterman and think he's funny but it belittles our intelligence when we listen to you speak that we can't understand what you're saying. people do not object to bias. they object to the pretense of no bias. >> are you the man who just said about mitt romney that that just stumbled out and now you're saying -- >> what i'm saying that applies here? >> you said about mitt romney actually that just tumbled out and ir'saying david letterman just should say who he is. >> i don't see the connection but i'm saying right here and now. [ laughter ] >> i believe in myself at this moment. >> as you were speaking, that's very good. >> he talked about this really interesting and i remember this well how do you go on the air after 9/11. >> and be funny. >> for comedians he was deadly, i was working at nbc, you had the sense of urgency, you didn't get off the air. >> tell strigs evision as we kn shut down, it was all about the news and over and over again we lived through this horrible phase of our lives and one day you called me about 2:00 in the afternoon and you said i'm going back on the air. i'd like to you join me. i was flattered and sure enough you went back, you remember that night? >> i remember that night and not wanting to or feeling ready to go back and knowing we had to go back and my concerns were minimal compared to people who really suffered. >> yes. >> interesting, and i remember that so well. ellen degeneres, anybody who had a show to do, the oscars had to go on, what do you do, to do something considered to be frivolous after 9/11. it was hard. >> turns out the capacity of life to go on is irresistible and the urge of people to return to normal life while not forgetting what happened is powerful, and kind of shows like that are the rituals by which we -- >> we needed them to go back on. >> we needed laughter in those moments, not that there was anything funny but to bring some levity or perspective to something to tragic. >> letterman is great at providing laughter. >> yes, even though you were bashing him earlier. ahead on "starting point" al qaeda's strongest most organized cell and it's gaining strength in yemen. we'll take you inside the terrorist home base coming up next. a warning from the food and drug administration, a lot of people unknowingly buy a counterfeit version of a drug for attention deficit disorder. you're watching "starting point." we'll tell you about that right on the other side of this break. i can see that you're busy... but you were gonna help us crunch the numbers for accounts receivable today. i mean i know that this is important. well, both are important. let's be clear. they are but this is important too. 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>> i was blindfoldeded to s ede prisoners they have. in it's the deserts of south yemen. these are mountains where most of the drone strikes happen. the tribes are there and this feels like it is deep inside and isolated. you see al qaeda flags everywhere. you see foreign jihadist walking the streets. we met a muslim and somali. we met a judge about how they learned about their mistakes and don't want to antagonize tribes anymore. they want to build a relationship with the tribes so they can rule in that area. >> your final town you say is a town where they have been able to oust al qaeda but have been able to fight it out. how likely is it that towns like jaar will be like this? >> it's difficult. they have a strong tribe. we've seen the same motto. al qaeda can takeover a town and takeover part of the population but when that part of the population turns against al qaeda, this is the end of al qaeda. i know that americans are focused on drone attacks at this moment. i don't think drones will be the perfect way to solve problems of al qaeda. they killed osama bin laden but al qaeda exists in different parts of the world. the location population are convinced to turn against al qaeda is the end of them. that was actually the first military defeat of al qaeda in south yemen. >> the report is on pbs's frontline. it's fascinating. people can go online and take a look at it. we appreciate your time this morning. we have to take a short break but mitt romney is finally locked up the republican nomination. it's donald trump's birther allegations that are overshadowing the big moment. a family survives a plane crash to be stranded in snowy mountains. we'll hear about them about what went wrong and how they were able to survive. you're watching "starting point." this country was built by working people. the economy needs manufacturing. machines, tools, people making stuff. companies have to invest in making things. infrastructure, construction, production. we need it now more than ever. chevron's putting more than $8 billion dollars back in the u.s. economy this year. in pipes, cement, steel, jobs, energy. we need to get the wheels turning. i'm proud of that. making real things... for real. ...that make a real difference. ♪ but not how we get there. because in this business, there are no straight lines. only the twists and turns of an unpredictable industry. so the eighty-thousand employees at delta... must anticipate the unexpected. and never let the rules overrule common sense. this is how we tame the unwieldiness of air travel, until it's not just lines you see... it's the world. ♪ ♪ ♪ and we dream up ♪ all the best stuff ♪ and we can make it up ♪ cause we were made for each other ♪ ♪ for always ♪ oh oh ♪ for always good morning. welcome, everybody. our "starting point" is trumping the message. donald trump refuses to drop the birther issue on the same day that mitt romney has locked up the gop nomination. you'll see him go at it with wolf blitzer. >> his mother was not in the hospital. there were many other things that came out. >> donald, you are beginning to sound a little ridiculous i have to tell you. >> i think you are, wolf. >> execution of dozens of children is getting the world's attention. dozens of children are massacred and calls are growing louder to get the regime out of syria. a female alternate, was she flirting with john edwards? 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"starting point" begins right now. ♪ >> i was going to stay what a good strategy. that's joe cocker "feeling all right." that's off margaret's playlist talking about the john edwards and flirting and about that being a good legal strategy in a moment of need. in general if you are on trial. go to that if you think it will work. our other panelists this morning, ron brownstein, and margaret hoover cnn contributor and author of "american individualism" and will cain. historic day for mitt romney overshadowed by supporter donald trump after winning the texas gop primary last night he did get to the magic number which was 1,144 delegates and is now first mormon presidential nominee of a political party -- major political party. donald trump was in vegas with mitt romney for a fund-raiser and spent the day reiterating the view that president obama was born outside of the united states culminating in a contentious interview on cnn's "the situation room" with wolf blitzer. >> there are many people that don't agree with that birth certificate. they don't think it's authentic, wolf. >> don't know when you say many people that don't agree. like who? give me a name of somebody in a position of authority in hawaii who says -- give me a name. >> there are many people. i don't give names. >> joining us this morning, mitt romney's surrogate, former governor of new hampshire. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. it's good to be here. >> why the birther thing? >> i don't know. why is cnn so fixated on this? why don't we talk about the jobs issue in this country. >> we'll get to that in a moment but let's start with this. >> and it's cnn that wants to bring it up. i don't want to bring it up. mitt romney made it clear that he believes that president obama was born in the u.s. you had donald trump on last night. and now you are asking the question this morning. it's cnn's fixation. >> you don't think it's a valid question of someone posing as a supporter/surrogate. he's a high level big funder. he's talking about millions of dollars he's thinking of donating. you don't think it's a big deal that person talks about the fact that the president of the united states is not a citizen of the country? >> i think it's equivalent an issue as bill maher who gave a million dollars to president obama talking with such a foul mouth about women. you can't pick your supporters in this country. the fact is that this country has a jobs problem and supporters of the president like cnn keep wanting to talk about other issues. >> what's interesting, every time you ask anyone a hard question they say you must be supporting. >> this isn't a hard question. this is an easy question. mitt romney has made it clear he believes the president of the united states was born in the united states. now we can talk about the big issues in this country. >> let me ask a follow-up question. we'll get to jobs in a second. >> 24 million people underemployed. >> i agree with you on that front. we'll get to that in one second. before we get to that, i want to ask you why does mitt romney not go further. for example, as i'm sure you have seen many times, when john mccain was posed a question by a woman who asked him a question, not only did he say here's my position. he said to her, let me correct you. i'll play that clip for you. >> aren't you embarrassed to be speaking directly from the obama speaking points that they distributed yesterday? aren't you embarrassed to sound exactly like the obama spokesman talking about john mccain? this is ridiculous. >> this is a clip we played before that ran many times. it's a conversation that's been had. >> come on. let's talk jobs. let's talk jobs. >> is that because you don't want to talk about the fact that a major fund-raiser is a birther? >> it's not an issue. there is nobody in the romney campaign that believes that the president was not born in the united states. >> so then how come someone doesn't say, donald trump is wrong. we're going to tell donald trump is wrong. >> donald trump is wrong. the president is born in the united states. >> that may be the first time. >> no it isn't, ma'am. it's just because you don't read enough that you don't understand. let's go to -- >> there's no need to get into personal attacks. we can move on. >> i'm not getting into personal attacks. i'm talking about the fact that you have a fixation. >> of asking questions when someone who is clearly a birther is a representative -- >> you did it last night. >> i was sleeping last night. >> you opened the show today with donald trump. >> that's what i was doing last night. i didn't do anything but sleeping last night because i go to bed early. let's move on and talk about the economy. >> this country has a jobs problem and president that doesn't understand how to solve the job problem and it has a president that keeps passing laws that kill jobs in america. let's talk about that. >> all right. let's talk about that. for example, when i talked to andrea yesterday she was telling me she believes the governor's record in the state of massachusetts is a great example for what he'll do in this country. when you look at the statistics, the jobs he was able to create didn't really compare with the other job creation from around the country. do you think that in fact is going to be something that he's going to want to rely on? >> i think he will. the reason it was so tough to create additional jobs in massachusetts is that the unemployment rate there was about 4.5%. 4.5% compared to president obama's 8.2% is a superb differential. >> let's talk about the distraction happening between these conversations about birthers and getting to the economy. have you found this conversation has distracted the governor? >> no. i think it's an effort by the obama administration not to talk about the laws they passed that are strangling specific segments of the american job market. we have in new hampshire and massachusetts up here a great medical device industry. the obama administration puts attacks on it. about 43,000 jobs can leave the country. and it just shows how dumb those policies are that you impose a tax, that jobs leave, you don't get revenue and you've lost the jobs. that kind of lack of smarts is typical of what the obama administration has been doing. >> hang on for a second, governor. i want to talk to ron brownstein for a moment. >> one problem here is the governor was involved in negotiating an increase in taxes in 1990 as part of a balanced approach of tax increases and budget cuts to attack the deficit. ten years after the bush tax cuts were passed in 2001, there were fewer people working than on the day they were passed. why when you look at that record why are taxes and federal decisions on taxation the key variable in determining economic growth? >> most important thing about that agreement is that there was five times as much cuts in spending as there was changes in revenue and most of the changes in revenue were consumption taxes so the fact is that was an inspiration to the economy to create some jobs. the second thing -- you asked me a question. the second thing that did was put together budgeting rules that allowed this country to move into a surplus and the marginal rate that was increased on upper earners was balanced by a reduction in what was a bubble rate, an actually higher rate for middle class taxpayers so we reduced the tax rates for middle class taxpayers even though it extended out to marginal rate for the higher income people. the fact is that what we need in this country today is to stop abusive legislation like dodd-frank that's strangling the community banks which is source of funds for small businesses to increase jobs but this president is proud of dodd-frank and therefore he doesn't understand he's killing jobs with legislation that he likes to talk about. >> governor, i have a separate question for you entirely changing gears. margaret hoover here. it's been reported that you were actively involved in helping to change the primary system for republicans to proportional voting we ended up with this time from the system last time that allowed john mccain to really lock up the nomination by february in 2008. looking back on it having had the prolonged primary, the 20 plus debates, what many in the republican party think was a proportional system that led to a bit of a branding problem for the gop, if you had to do it again, do you think we should go back to how we had it in 2008 or do you think this long system that allowed mitt romney to lock up the nomination just last night at the end of may, beginning of june, was a good thing. >> he locked it up about a month ago, margaret. we know that. what happened is more states were able to participate. the base got more energized. more republicans have been focusing on this election early and the fact is that in the long run this will be a stronger process than one in which you wrap it up in february and then have to reenergize the base over the summer. >> you would do it again 2016 same thing? >> i think so. i think new hampshire coming first followed by south carolina and with iowa participating at the front end gave everybody a chance to get a good start and the price of having that good start was to have some proportionality that allowed other people to play a significant role. >> we love sparring with you first thing in the morning. >> wakes us both up. >> certainly does, doesn't it? i feel like i need to go have a drink now. let's get to christine romans with the day's top stories. breaking news, assange appeals against extradition denied. assange will be sent to sweden over allegations he sexually abused two women in that country in 2010. assange says he fears if he's extradited, sweden will hand him over to the u.s. where he could then be prosecuted for his leaking of american classified documents. judges did leave an opening for an appeal and that's pretty unusual. rulings in britain are usually final. beryl is picking up steam once again. forecast to head up the coast of north and south carolina today. the storm has already dumped up to a foot of rain in some areas. it's packing winds of 35 miles per hour and could lead to dangerous rip currents and rough surf. that's oklahoma where the problem is heavy rain and hail. damage from a hail storm knocked out power to tens of thousands of customers in the oklahoma city area. most of the lights are back on this morning. a warning about fake adderall being sold online. the drug enforcement agency is investigating complaints about counterfeit versions of this popular treatment for adhd. bottles containing the fake pills frequently have misspellings on the labels. that's what you watch out for. drugs themselves may not contain all of the right ingredients. the dea warns the phony pills may not be effective and they could also be harmful. a family of three is recovering this morning after their small plane crash landed in the mountains of southern idaho. pilot brian brown was flying from sacramento with his wife and daughter when a sudden cold front swept in and caused his plane's wings to completely ice over. earlier on cnn brian's wife told us it might have turned out a lot worse if someone hadn't called their daughter's cell phone while they were stuck on that mountain. >> we couldn't find them. it was getting dark. we couldn't find them. when the cell phone rang, it lit up and then she was able to find it. and then make the call. >> wow. that call eventually brought help after the browns spent 12 hours stranded at the crash site. terrifying but they are all okay. >> that young woman was so calm on the phone making that 911 call. good for them. very lucky. still ahead on "starting point," the growing crisis in syria. dozens of women and children executed. should the u.s. help arm the opposition? and could michelle obama be the next hillary clinton? we'll tell you what she had to say about that proposition. my playlist this morning. 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while brushing misses germs in 75% of your mouth, listerine® cleans virtually your entire mouth. so take your oral health to a whole new level. listerine®... power to your mouth™. in a little less than two hours, they will look at the protesting of slaughter in that country. there were 49 children massacred on friday in the village of hula. u.n. special envoy kofi annan said that assad himself condemned the killings. he even vowed to organize an investigation. a fellow with the century foundation is a think tank based here in new york and also a member of the council on foreign relations. nice to have you with us. what do you think of the strategy is right at this moment? >> it's a suboptimal strategy but the only one that exists at the moment. there's no plan b. that's really a function of how difficult the situation is in syria. it is a complex environment on sectarian and ethic grounds and divided opposition and divided international community which limits the range of options which can be brought to bear. >> what's plan a? if there's no plan b, walk me through plan a. >> at this point people think about a managed transition. that this might be the way that you thread the needle with the russians. we heard foreign minister suggest that perhaps they are not wedded to the regime but opposed to foreign military intervention so perhaps this is the path whereby you can satisfy the concerns of russia regarding its own strategic interests and it's place in the world and objection to military objection on the ground. perhaps this is a path we can push as an international community. i do think it is quite important to manage this type of solidarity because this isn't a situation that can be managed if the international community is divided. >> that presupposed that whatever comes after assad is an ally and friend and i'm not sure that anyone that qualifies would be palatable to the rebels. >> when you looked at a managed transition, that implies you are trying to get a bargain that satisfies all sides and one that's not deeply satisfying or completely satisfying so perhaps the way you go about that and i spoke to some members of the syrian national council about this, is that you focus on a security sector. that perhaps you are focused more on decapitation of assad and circle of advisers, his close confidants and this may be a signal to those in syria hesitant to change. >> that sounds like a clean process when you use words like managed transition in an environment where 49 people including women and children are being shot, executed where we have talk of a wipe out if there's a transition. i don't understand how this clean concept really works in the real world. >> it's not a clean concept. i would only say that the alternatives are bad. if this fails, we're looking at protracted civilian war that could have regional impact in terms of iraq, lebanon, jordan and other countries. this isn't something that we should be discarding very lightly. >> can i go back a step. what do you think is the key to convincing assad if it's time to go. if russia pulls the plug be enough to convince him the game is up? >> i think not in and of itself. i think they have to feel international isolation. i think what would be key is to see fractures within the regime. this conflict has pushed the regime closer together and we haven't seen the type of defections we saw with the conflict in libya when we saw all sorts of diplomatic defections from within the regime. obviously russia abandoning assad would be an important rerr prerpr prerequisite. >> they are a minority that run the country. how realistic is that? >> i think it depends on what the nature of this transition looks like. if there are guarantees that there are not going to be de-baathification if the way it was carried now the iraq, that's an important hedge for that community and an important hedge for those other minorities in syria who are worried about what regime change would look like. i don't know if it will work. i'm saying this is still the best option around because military intervention is off the table. there's not going to be a u.n. security council resolution authorizing this. and it's not going to happen without a legal mandate. i think we have to exhaust diplomatic possibilities. i think to the extent russians can be brought along, it will require going through all of the motions making sure that there is no other alternative and russian credibility is on the line. at some point in time in the near future, it's a question. does russia actually care about outcomes in syria or more interested in exercising influence on the international stage and exercising a veto. >> nice to have you with us. we appreciate you joining us. we'll take a break. still ahead this morning, is michelle obama headed for higher office? we'll tell you about her plans after she leaves the white house. you can watch us on cnn.com on your computer or mobile phone. you're watching "starting point." we have to take a break. we're back in a moment. do you see it ? there it is ! there it is ! where ? where ? it's getting away ! where is it ? it's gone. we'll find it. any day can be an adventure. that's why we got a subaru. love wherever the road takes you. wow, there it is. by what's getting done. measure commitment the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done. we're still committed to seeing this through. ♪ >> margaret is killing it with the playlist this morning. that's lifehouse. you can see it on cnn.com/startingpoint or follow me on twitter. here's a question. is michelle obama ready for her own political campaign. this is what she had to say when asked if she would follow in the footsteps of the last democratic lady, hillary clinton. >> there are so many ways to serve and being president is one of the hardest ways and that's one of the reasons why i tell barack i'm smarter than him. i picked the easier job. i have no interest in politics. never have. never will. >> she says she wants to be a voice for america's military families. as long as she has a platform, that's what she's going to do. >> strikes me as odd it becomes assumed that if you have the same last name as a previous president, whether it's kennedy or bush or now obama, that you might have a political future. ron, you are our political historian. was eleanor roosevelt asked this question? >> that was a different time. look, the name, the value of the name i.d. is so enormous and worth millions of dollars in politics and having a brand. >> everyone likes her. >> i don't see her going down this route. it's worth keeping in mind that one function of the gender gap in politics is the 1970s is something like north of 55% of the total voters in the democratic primary are women. so, you know, there is that reality. i don't think it will be her. >> do numbers show that women vote for women? >> no. >> there is a gender gap in politics. for sure more women vote for democrats than vote for republicans. that's true. eleanor roosevelt was going to run for senate in new york. she thought long and hard about it and decided at the end of the day not to. >> the brand is a real asset. especially within the party. >> let me ask the owner of the hoover brand. would you run for political office? >> not for a very long time. you have to do something worthwhile first before you can offer your services. people do ask because people do that simple math. name i.d. does a lot. mitt romney's mother ran for senate. >> she was defeated in 1970. mitt romney, son of a failed presidential candidate, who is the nominee, robert taft, it's an interesting question. american history has become more common. it's become more of a dynastic sport. robert taft ran for presidency. >> there would be a field day with that one. >> it does take having a certain frame of reference and growing up in a political atmosphere to think that way and successfully that way or learn from mistakes. >> multigeneration political families are more common. >> you heard a moment ago and i'm sure you didn't miss it as governor johnson -- he's so sweet and cuddly and kind. i love talking to him every morning. he said donald trump is wrong when it comes to the birther controversy. we'll talk about what mitt romney is going to do with donald trump's help trying to get into the white house. 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[ female announcer ] only flood insurance covers floods. visit floodsmart.gov/risk to learn your risk. welcome back to "starting point." let's get right to the headlines. christine romans has a look at those. good morning. the last victim was found in the deadly earthquake in italy. that's 17 people reported dead. that's the second earthquake to hit the region this month. officials say 14,000 people now have nowhere to live. is she the fall gal? the communications director for newark mayor corey booker has resigned. there are reports she was forced out because of controversial statements made by booker on nbc's "meet the press" earlier this month. booker said he was nauseated by the president's attack ads against mitt romney. chen guangcheng says his country lacked the rule of law. he says china's abuse of treatment of dissidents threatens its political stability and writes of his escape from house arrest after the local police discovered my escape from a village in april, a furious pack of thugs refusing to identify themselves scaled the wall of my brother's farmhouse in the dead of night, smashed through the doors and brutally assaulted my brother. after detaining him, the gang returned twice more severely beating my sister-in-law and my nephew with pick ax handles. >> u.s. stock futures down ahead of the opening bell. dow futures down 100 points. instability pushing worldwide markets down. spain's economy is experiencing big debt problems, high unemployment and slowdown like much of the rest of europe. a bombshell from apple's ceo tim cook. he told the conference he wants apple to make products in the u.s. some day. >> will there be an apple product ever made again in the united states? >> i want there to be. >> will it say on the back of an apple product designed in california, assembled in the united states? >> it may. even though it doesn't say that today, you could put down there several parts of from the united states. >> he said that the u.s. does not have the capability for large scale manufacturing at this point. he hinted also at incredible new products but said the company is doubling down on secrecy for its products. moms making a mad dash to libraries this morning as they lift the ban on "50 shades of gray." a petition from thousands of eager readers and stand against censorship pushed the library to return 19 copies to the shelves after pulling the books earlier this month. >> my god. has nobody heard of ordering it online? >> or sharing your neighbor's copy. >> exactly. exactly. all right. thank you. mitt romney is now the unofficial nominee. the governor finally hit the magic number of delegates. 1,144 to lock in the presidential nomination with a win in texas last night. while the spotlight should have been on the former governor and his supporter donald trump is making the news again questioning the president's birth certificate. listen to the contentious interview he had with wolf blitzer. >> a lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate. >> how can you say that? >> you won't report it but many people do not think it was authentic. his mother was not in the hospital. there are many other things that came out and frankly if you would report it accurately you would probably get better ratings which you get which are pretty small. >> donald, have you seen the actual newspaper announcements within days of his birth in honolulu? for example the honolulu star bulletin you see the birth announcement back in 1961. listen to me, donald. honolulu -- can i ask the question? donald, you are beginning to sound a little ridiculous. i have to tell you. >> i think you are, wolf. >> they kind of kept going at it for a bit. earlier this morning i spoke to a romney surrogate who is such a warm and cuddly man first thing in the morning. like a teddy bear. how come someone doesn't say donald trump is wrong? we're going to tell donald trump -- >> donald trump is wrong. the president was born in the united states. >> there it is. that may be the first time that we have heard a surrogate say that donald trump is wrong. christine pelosi is a democratic strategy and author of campaign boot camp 2.0. thanks for talking to us. do you think this birther issue as the governor said in that interview is really off the obama campaign talking points and this really helps that campaign. >> good morning, soledad, from san francisco. we here in california think that the road to the white house is going to come through the west. we know romneys are here in california today. it's very important as we look at president obama's double digit lead out here that we focus on the real issues here which are jobs and the economy and the empowerment of working families. as far as this birtherism is concerned, donald trump is only saying loudly what a lot of republicans have been dog whistling for months. and we think about the super pac looking into funding a birther movie this summer. it's ridiculous. frankly, it has to stop. i'm glad the governor said that but i would like to hear that from governor romney this afternoon. >> this is the problem that i hear. we at this table have mentioned that donald trump's involvement is a problem in this campaign and donald trump is a problem himself. it makes me feel like when christine says i want to talk about jobs, that's a hollow statement. when you take that and blow that up into something more, you suggest this narrative about a birther movie and mitt romney not appropriately disavowing donald trump. donald trump is a problem. you don't have to do more with that. >> the jobs we need to talk about. they bring up donald trump saying he knows how to create jobs and he'll be romney's economic surrogate. the fact of the matter is barack obama has been a job creator since day one. we need jobs in health care and clean energy and housing and that's where barack obama's policies are far superior to mitt romney's who by the way when he was governor of massachusetts scored only 47 out of 50 states in job creation. we need to do better than that. i think that's why barack obama has such a commanding lead here in california because we see clearly the difference between the two candidates. >> i love your spin. it's really good but to argue that barack obama has been a job creator since day one when unemployment remained above 8% for 39 months, we all know this president isn't actually going to be reelected on his job creating record. you and i both know that jobs are being created, an enormous number of people have left the workforce on whole jobs aren't becoming more and president obama isn't actually running on his job creation record. >> forgive me for one second. got your point. answer that, can you? i don't want you talking over each other because i can't hear. >> barack obama inherited an economy where we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. there have been two years of private sector job creation. we also have austerity budgets from republican governors who have fired public employees. that is losing jobs. no doubt we need to do better. but to say that the change from losing 750,000 jobs a month to creating over 100,000 jobs a month, that's a huge swing. i think anybody would be proud of that turnaround record but of course you have to do more. anyone looking for a job or anyone looking to keep their job wants to see politicians working as hard as we are. that's why i would say barack obama is a job creator. know what the employment number was when he came out and we know what it is now and it is better. >> overriding question may be whether either side has a convincing answer for accelerating job growth. mitt romney's answer is to replicate the george w. bush tax cuts. on the other hand, i don't think anyone inside the administration would feel the job growth that we're seeing now is what they hoped or expected three years ago. do you want to hear a more specific agenda from barack obama about what he would do in a second term to cause the economy to accelerate at a faster rate than it is doing now. >> first he has to pass the american jobs act. he proposed that september 7th and the republicans have stopped him. the only parts that have been passed have been hiring heros credits for our returning veterans, which is a good start but we need to do a lot more. i think that to say that what i want to hear from barack obama is how he's going to work with congress in order to try to get this done and what i would like to hear from congress, particularly republican leaders is how to bring the american jobs act to the floor and make adjustments. that's what we need. american jobs act will provide the jobs that we need. you know what we could do right now? we could pass a long-term transportation bill to put the iron workers who built the bridge you see behind me back on the job. that's something business and labor have come together on wanting to get past. there are a couple things we could do right now if we want to create jobs. >> christine pelosi, a democratic strategist, nice to have you. thank you for talking with us. still ahead this morning, is another bush throwing his had in for the white house? interesting words for jeb bush this morning. here's will's playlist. "it's a man's world." ♪ the new taurus is going to blow people away... starting with the guys who built it. i haven't driven it yet. i'm going to try take it easy and warm up slowly. hi. do you get car sick or anything? no, is that a challenge? no, no. so with the 2013 taurus i can pretty much voice command anything. pretty much. you're going to be able to change your radio station, make a phone call. all that you can do with just the sound of your voice. all of it? all of it. never have to take your hands off the wheel. never have to take your hands off the wheel... which is good when you're iving. ha ha ha. >> that's off ron's playlist. >> why didn't jagger sing that? that would have been memorable. >> another bush may be vying for the white house again. former florida governor jeb bush tells an italian news agency that he feels a duty to help mitt romney defeat barack obama and said this. if romney were to offer me the job of vice president, i would consider the proposal very carefully but i don't think he'll pick me. i think he should. don't you think that would be an amazing ticket on the gop side? >> let's see if that quote is fully accurate because it's different from vibrations he sent out before. if it was, i think bush is very -- >> transition from italian. >> that's different than what marco rubio has been saying. jeb bush would be an attractive choice in many ways. big state. florida. latinos. fluent in spanish. i saw him do a half hour press conference in spanish in january in florida and extraordinary. and someone who has a reputation for being able to work across party lines. his biggest problem is his name and hangover from george w. bush. in every other way would be a very strong candidate. >> surprising to me is that jeb bush has to be one of the top names for 2016 run should mitt romney lose. if you put yourself on the vice presidential ticket now and mitt romney wins, where are you for 2016? >> if romney wins, there's no -- >> we didn't even mention his transformative educational reform efforts in florida and he's considered a fiscal conservati conservative. the tea party likes him. he's beloved by the republicans. >> a lot of boxes checked by that choice. >> he does not fit the mold. on immigration he's said that the republicans are not having honest conversations about immigration reform. >> a lot of credibility in that area. he could move those conversations. >> i covered him in 1994 when they both ran and the thoughts of those around the bush family was that jeb was more likely presidential candidate in the long run. he got behind his brother in line. >> i'm happy we're not talking about birthers right this moment. >> really happy. really happy. moving on after the commercial break, reports of a jury alternate flirting with john edwards in court. plus, jurors coordinating clothes. we'll be live at the courthouse minutes before the deliberations begin for the eighth day. you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment. now's the time to move from to where you want to go. look up. with u.s. bank let's get the wheels turning. use our strength & stability to open new opportunities. to lend, and lift ...every business...every dream... to new heights of prosperity. good things are happening. just look up. with u.s. bank. is engineered for comfort. like parts that create your perfect temperature and humidity or the parts that purify the air. together these parts can cut your heating and cooling bills in half. which is quite comforting. and here's the best part... call now to get up to 1,375 dollars in rebates. or zero percent financing for 18 months on select lennox home comfort systems. offer ends june 15th. plus download our free lennox mobile app with an energy-savings calculator to show how much you'll save with a lennox system. if your current system is 10 years or older, start planning now. and take advantage of special financing. so call now to get up to 1,375 dollars in rebates. or zero percent financing for 18 months on select lennox home comfort systems. offer ends june 15th. and download our lennox mobil app -- free. ♪ lennox. innovation never felt so good. welcome back, everybody. jurors in the john edwards corruption trial are just moments away from beginning their eighth day of deliberations and things getting weird in the courthouse is fair to say. it looks as if some of the jurors -- alternate jurors have been coordinating what they wear to court. i guess it looks like color scheme for tuesday was gray and black. last thursday was yellow. red was friday. weird. there also is a question of whether or not there is some flirting going on between an alternate juror and john edwards. the judge has been warning the jury not to discuss the case outside of the deliberation room. all of this brings us to joe johns outside of the courthouse in greensboro, north carolina. good morning, joe. >> reporter: hey, soledad. how are you? >> i'm great. it sounds like where you are a lot is happening. let's talk first about the case and talk to me about the drama around the case. >> reporter: yeah. all right. eighth day like you said. that's the first thing. it's a long time but not a particularly long time. the question of course is whether this jury is stuck on one issue or another. it could be certainly. secret deliberations. what i can tell you is body language of the jurors as they file in and out. we have seen big sighs from one juror. she walks in and sits down in her seat. we've seen people with their heads down staring at the ground, heads in hands, arms crossed. all of that body language suggests there may be something going on. the thing you have to remember about this case is the root of it is about politics. and politics can be very polarizing especially in a state like north carolina. i wouldn't be surprised if it continues for a while. >> update me on drama around the case. we were talking about the color coordination and flirting. >> reporter: yeah. well, first of all, on the flirting what i can tell you is you know you have been involved and covered trials. a defendant has an incentive to make eye contact with jurors and even alternate jurors. this guy, john edwards, could potentially get 30 years. he's going to try to look in the eyes of the people judging the facts. that said, there has been this one juror who simply has been, you know, the kind of person who likes to look in the eyes of people out in the audience. she's done that a couple times. edwards has looked back at her a couple times and he smiles. that's been construed by some as flirting. take away from it what you will. >> you know everyone will. joe johns, thanks. appreciate the update. end point with the panel coming up next. >> i feel like we're doing lightning round. we have 45 seconds. >> 20 years after washington still nothing has changed. mellow as ever as when we covered him back in the bush white house. >> as we think about jurors looking at john edwards or john edwards making contact and
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