author of a great book which is called "back to life." she was on our trayvon martin specialist the other day. will cain is a columnist for e theblaze.com. >> luckily after a lot of dramatic moments it ended very safely. >> hoping that sully sullenbering is running that plane. >> who is our pilot this morning. is it sullenberger on the plane? this morning we're also talking about the etan patz case. a fresh search by the fbi and by the new york police department for etan. 6-year-old boy disappeared 33 years ago now. forensic investigators started scouring the basement of a building in the new york city neighborhood where the little boy disappeared. concrete floor was laid by a handyman who had connections with the boy. >> we're looking for human remains, clothing or other personal effects of etan patz in trying to find out where he disappeared, why he disappeared and where. >> susan candiotti is live for us this morning right outside that building. susan, good morning. first, tell me how they decided to focus their attention on this particular building and why and what have they found so far? >> good morning, soledad. based on old and new information, according to sources, the fbi was led to a carpenter who was also a handyman who had a workshop in that basement. they brought in a cadaver dog and that cadaver dog picked up a human scent. and while interviewing that man, i am told by sources, and this is new information, that this man, who had befriended the boy and who had given him a dollar and was in the basement with that boy a day before etan disappeared. he blurted out to the police very recently, what if the body was moved? that's a quote. what if the body was moved? that's when police really set the wheels in motion and started their escivation work. he has not been charged and not in custody. so, that escavation work, which is well under way, will resume, soledad, for the next five days. they're going to gather everything up that they find. literally down to the dirt that they're picking up and send it to the fbi lab at quantico for more research. >> susan, this is will cain, how is it this man has avoided attention for so many years and just now turning to him? >> isn't that fascinating, will. we do have an induction that this man was interviewed way back when. i do know that that basement had been searched and had been figured into the investigation, but, to what extent he was interviewed, obviously, that's the main question. but when the district attorney here reopened this case back in 2010, federal investigators began looking into the old files and looking for new leads and that's when they decided to take another look at this man and not focus solely on the gentleman you mentioned, mr. ramos who is currently serving time on an unrelated child molestation conviction. he has been in jail for many, many years and might be released actually later this year. >> susan, while you were talking we threw a map up on the screen. you can see where the patz home is and very close to that is that current investigation just a few doors down from the home and then back in 2000 there was an investigation, as well. a little bit further away is what it focused on. will, it's so interesting, you're a texan, you didn't grow up in new york and you don't have a sense of what this case meant for new yorkers. it literally was the case that made people fearful that your child could be snatched off the street in broad daylight, even patz, of course, was allowed to walk to school for the first time as a 6-year-old and the parents let him go the two blocks to the bus. >> the first day they let him. >> it was a case that got to the heart. terrifyi terrifying, right, alicia? >> i was a kid when this happened and etan was a kid a few years younger than me. my parent would talk to us about this happening and this stuff doesn't happen often. but now as a mother of a 6-year-old. they want to do things like walk a block to the bus or visit the super in the basement. >> you have to put it in the context of new york at the time. the place was absolutely uncontrollable. and children were no longer safe anywhere. >> it's hard to articulate for someone who is not from here what it kind of meant to be a kid living in the tri-state area because it was the case that sort of started all that. later we're going to be talking to ray kelly, the new york city police commissioner about some of those details that susan candiotti just gave us. why now? why this guy, again? what did they miss the first time around? that's coming up later this morning. want to get to mark class. he is a founder of two organizations. one is beyond missing incorporated. mark, nice to see you. you and i met years ago when polly was kidnapped. i was a reporter in san francisco covering that story at the time. there were moments, again, when the media and the police would all rush to an area thinking, yes, we found some kind of lead and, no, not this time and it would happen. obviously, only a few months went by before they discovered that polly had been killed. talk to me about what is going through the minds of parents when they have these ups and these terrible downs and things like that. >> soledad, it's always a pleasure. i was lucky. i was informed by the authorities early on in the case that anything relevant in polly's case would come to me from them and not from the media. so, as those reports were starting to roll out, particularly in the later days, and, really, literally, any time somebody found a dog bone there would be a breathless reporter saying that polly's remains had been discovered. i was able to get through that. but the emotional roller coaster is absolutely extraordinary. it takes you from the lowest depths, as you might imagine having your child gone and possibly murdered to other places that are still pretty low when you start hearing these reports and, particularly, after time. i know that the kevin collins family had to go through this. so many others have. you get these tantalizing bits of information that might lead you somewhere and, ultimately, they prove to be for not. so, i think that ultimately you become cynical, you step back and you take a deep breath and wait until the investigation or that portion of the investigation is resolved. but it's a terrible thing to have to go through. >> i can only imagine. you know, as we've been talking about a moment ago this case was the literal first case, the first milk carton case. were there things that they learned from the etan patz case that were informative for you? >> it changed the dynamic. it really pulled the lid off of america's dirty little secret, the fact that children are being victimized in large numbers. it's only after etan patz that president reagan designated the date that he went missing, may 25th, is national missing children's day. it also put the face on the milk carton project. it's when they started compiling numbers. it was the beginning of the national center for missing and exploited children. it was just some years after that. so, really, it was about the compilation of data so that law enforcement and the public would have a better understanding of this issue and law enforcement would have a better understanding of how to investigate this issue. for instance, they overlooked this individual who may be responsible in etan's case. however, statistics take you right to family and individuals who knew the child and then you move out from that point to the stranger scenarios. so, it's much more about people who did know the child than it is about the iconic stranger. >> it will be interesting to see what they are able to find and certainly the focus they're looking at now. mark klass, thanks for your time. we appreciate it. delta airlines are waiting for inspection results before they confirm that it was birds that caused that emergency landing that happened yesterday just after takeoff from new york city kennedy airport. video may be all the proof they need. take a look. that was birds zipping by and then you could hear that kind of crunching sound. that was shot by passenger grant cardone. birds going right into the engine. one of his fellow passengers, alli velshi. what i found interesting, guys. once you reached out to your family members you started tweeting and updating everybody and i can't decide if that's fantastic and heroic or just weird. so, tell me. really, the first thing of, the second thing you think of is tweeting? what's that about? >> the new day, the new moment. >> you could tell, obviously, ali, there was a problem. you could hear the crunch in that video. >> i travel a lot as you know, soledad. two or three flights a week. i heard a lot of things you heard a lot of things on planes. it sounded like a car had gone into that engine. a remarkable grinding noise. i think we might have been 1,000 feet above ground. you know, i keep track of that because at 10,000 feet that bell goes off and you can use your electronics. that's what i was looking for. all of a sudden this crunching, gross sound. 45 second or something? >> it felt like it was going to be an eternity because i thought the plane was literally going to roll over on its side. >> right after this, right after you see these birds. that's when the sound hit. >> really, you hear it clearly on the tape. >> let me ask you a question, grant. you were shooting this with your camera. was there panicking onboard the flight? did people realize say that sound like a car hitting our plane in the air, did they freak out? >> no. there was no panic. it was more of an introversion, for those few seconds you don't know what is going to happen at that moment. once the engine devoured the birds, it did sound exactly like eating a car. like this big 757 engine was consuming an automobile and once it digested that, it got very quiet. we went up and down and lurching in the plane and i thought at that moment it was going to roll over. i dropped my ipad. i didn't do this on the camera. i actually did it on an ipad and dropped the ipad to text my wife, hey, i'm on 1063 out of jfk, this flight's in trouble because i thought it was going to roll over and crash. i knew we were high enough, it would have been devastating. >> before we tweeted i sent it out to cnn. >> first your wife, then cnn, then -- >> one of the differences, grant was up front that is one reason why he was able to use his ipad. >> i was in the back and the difference is once that crunching sound stopped, the cabin started filling with smoke and that's when we got really worried. >> you know that we're all thinking that we're very happy that you're here to tell us about it when the plane was able to land 15 minutes or so later. gentlemen, we appreciate it this morning. >> thanks a lot, soledad. >> thank you. still ahead this morning, george zimmerman face-to-face with trayvon martin's parents in court today. will he be released on bond. mark is going to join us to talk about it. also, a very organized banker. you know, making a spreadsheet to keep track of his business deals, things like that. also, apparently, keep tracks of his dates. poor guy. so, and then makes a mistake of sending it along to one of the young woman who is ranked high on his list. so, let me throw out this question as we go to break. what do you think happened with that? >> what was her response? >> do you think she read it and didn't send it to someone or do you think she sent it out? >> was it a ranking or a list? >> it was both, ranking and the list and details and rating. >> she went to find her name quite clearly. >> pass it on to the rest of the world. we will leave you with grant cardone's playlist. you're watching "starting point." back in a moment. hi, i just switched jobs, and i want to roll over my old 401(k) into a fidelity ira. man: okay, no problem. it's easy to get started; i can help you with the paperwork. um...this green line just appeared on my floor. yeah, that's fidelity helping you reach your financial goals. could you hold on a second? it's your money. roll over your old 401(k) into a fidelity ira and take control of your personal economy. this is going to be helpful. call or come in today. fidelity investments. turn here. durn'it, this thing's runnin' slow. bet you think you're pretty quick? yeah, i guess it is pretty quick. jesse?!? 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[ laughing ] ♪ [ engine turns over ] [ male announcer ] the all-new subaru impreza®. experience love that lasts. ♪ welcome back, everybody. george zimmerman will come face-to-face with george zimmerman's family today. all are expected in that florida courtroom. it will happen less than two hours from now for zimmerman's bond hearing and zimmerman's family is expected to testify by phone. the hearing is also going to be the first time that we see the new judge. kenneth lester jr. the judge should keep zimmerman in jail, in other words, no bond. listen. >> he has a right to a bond hearing and the judge after listening to both sides will make a decision. this is a nonbondable offense. the judge has discretion. this is a serious charge, anderson. it's a situation where on moral grounds, public safety grounds we think it's best that he be kept without bond and until these matters have concluded. >> mark is a criminal defense attorney and also cnn legal analyst. thank you for joining us. i don't think bond is appropriate. do you think bond is appropriate in this case? do you think he's likely to get it? >> i do think it is appropriate and i think there's a decent chance he'll get it. one can't read a judge's mind, but legally he's entitled from all that i am aware of right now. if new facts or evidence come out during the hearing, my opinion could change. three things that will be looked at. one, you look at risk of flight. i don't think there is any risk of flight here. as i understand and mr. zimmerman was in touch with law enforcement throughout when he was awaiting to see if a warrant was issued. he turned himself in voluntarily. before that time, he could have gone to any part of the world without any legal restrictions on him. that establishes he's not a risk of flight. then you have danger to the community. are there a set of bond conditions that could be established that show that, in fact, hered not be a danger. keeping him on house arrest, electronic monitoring would seemingly satisfy that. a legal standard, if i could. is the proof evident and the prezupr presumption great that he is guilty? i think there is a great national debate and the sanford police department said they weren't even going to arrest him. the question is anything but clear, absolute, i should say. that the presumption is great. in light of all those standards, he should be entitled to a bond. >> on this standard that you're talking about, proof evident, presumption great. it's greater than reasonable doubt. the prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they could get a conviction in this case. here's my question, do you expect the prosecution to attempt to prove that? in which case, i would have to assume they would put a lot of evidence out right now. >> very good point. i think they would have to tip their hand from what we've seen with the public right now. they don't have a whole lot there. if they want to bring out more, then they're going to have bring it out in the hearing because, as you indicate, the burden is there. it's not the defense's. they have to establish it and they'll have to do it by evidence and putting on witnesses and testimony and additional documents. that's going to be a big risk for them to do at this point and they might end up telling their plan and have a bond set. >> why is this a moral discussion? >> i note that the defense counsel, the family's lawyer talks about this as a moral need to keep this guy in jail. what would be the moral reason? what is that about? >> well, i think you hit a great point. mr. crump was saying that, i like mr. crump personally and think he's an excellent lawyer but the moral issue has nothing to do with this. it is a legal issue. we are in a court of law. the law should be followed. if, in fact, we let this be passions and emotions, then we lost sight of what our criminal justice system is about. i understand the desire and the passions but if we allow the judges to bedictated by passions and emotions rather than a law, then we really lost the essence of what our legal system stands for. >> ben crump also went on to say that the family was not going to meet with zimmerman. he had offered or suggested a meeting with the family members before this bond hearing and ben crump said, listen, that's not going to happen. do you think that that was a smart maneuver? does it matter ultimately in the court of law or do you think they should have, in fact, taken that meeting? >> i think that a meeting at some point will take place between the attorneys and discuss things more deeply. i think it's a bit early, but nuther wrong with the overture. you don't get anywhere without communicating whether a personal relationship, a political relationship or otherwise. if you don't communicate, you're at war and you fight. when you communicate, you have a better chance of resolving your differences. there will be a time that simply mr. crump, not inappropriately, said the time is not now and i think mr. o'mara made an overture. they're in positions where they're jockying or doing what they think is best for their particular side. there will be a time that they will be talking. >> nice to see you, thanks for your time. we appreciate it. alicia, quick question for you. you could see a family saying, i cannot have this meeting but mark sets it up as, listen, a court of law and also a negotiation. at some point, you know, the family has to communicate. that's going to be the basis of any kind of moving forward. at the same time, you know, their son is dead. as a psychiatrist, how do you advise people to navigate something like that that is just so impossible? >> i think what the family wants more than anything, what they need psychologically more than anything, what happened that day. that's not stuff they'll get from george zimmerman. right now they're entitled to feel ow hay feel and they should proceed by letting the court get the evidence. ahead this morning, i love this guy. this is a nice, young man who was just trying to keep all the girls straight. active dating life, kind of busted, though, for his very detailed dating spreadsheet. we'll tell you why organization worked against him in today's "get real." here's hank's playlist "somebody to love." 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