New york is a city of packed subways, crowded sidewalks, building stacked with layers of people on top of each other and now ebola is here. The doctor who brought it back from africa was out in the crowds. Craig spencer road three different subways, at ate at a restaurant in greenwich village, went to a Bowling Alley and took an uber car back to his apartment in manhattan. The chances hes infected anyone are very small. But my question is this. If he was feeling sluggish on tuesday, should he have been out and about an wednesday. Joining me is a cnn medical analyst from fordham university. Whats your answer to that question, if we were feeling sluggish on tuesday, should he have been so free with his movements on wednesday . I actually dont think hes done anything wrong. All weve heard all day long is how irresponsible hes been. New york is the place we think of for the spread of disease. We see it in the movies, things like that. Hes adhered to the protocols which are based on cdc protocols and theres absolutely no reason to believe hes exposed anyone to any risk at all. I dont have concern that he exposed anyone. Ive Read Research about whether you can contract it from a bowling ball because we had to get that far into the weeds this week. Doesnt common sense dictate that if youre within the 21daytime period and you might test positive because of the good work youve done, maybe you should limit your activities so as to not incite fear. If mission shes been on will be very exhausting and feeling sluggish we have sluggish days anyway. And sluggish is not a hallmark symptom of ebola. The moment he had a fever, not a high fever at all, he called his organization, everything was arranged and everything happened properly. I think what would we ask these people to do. Taking people out of circulation completely for three weeks is a huge ask when we think about the numbers of Health Workers required to combat the disease of ebola. Should we regulate their movements . I think they shouldnt have been getting on planes. He would have been given control guidance from his organization. And he has been told not to if you look at his movements, although hes been all over the city, he hasnt been wildly extravagant with his movements. The main thing is weve set a protocol which means he doesnt expose anyone to risk and he sat within that protocol. I think americans are familiar with the concept of tracing. We learned that in the aftermath of what went on in dallas. Its an impossible task. Im sitting here saying look, thereg nothing to worry about. Then why are we spending all this time and energy tracing down everyone . We need to know the full story. He had gotten out and gotten drunk, cut his hand, been sick on the sidewalk or the subway, Something Like that, then the risk changes dramatically. We know none of that happened because weve traced his movements. They havent contact everyone on the a train and the l train. Those are the trains i road today and theyre fine mplg i took the e train yesterday. Let me ask kru this. Do we know all that we think we know . By that i mean, there have been a series of incidents now where you have people who have contracted ebola who say i have no idea how i contracted it and they were apparently taking precautions. It doesnt give someone like me, a layperson, a high degree of confidence. Its such a difficult story to tell. We know its hard to catch because we can look at the family of Thomas Eric Duncan exposed to diarrhea and vomiting in his house didnt catch it. Similarly, the man who brought ebola to nigeria did not infect the people on the plane. But equally we see Health Care Providers wear all of their health care gear and thil catching it. In the early stages, dr. Spencers viral levels would have been very low. In the end of the stage, very easy to catch. Thank you so much for you time. We appreciate you being here. I want to turn to a doctor whos trained to consider a lot of these questions that weve been asking. Did dr. Trying skrag spencer behave unethically . Should he has self quarantined . Lets dig into that. Youve heard my conversation with this doctor. What do you make of it . Theres two viruses circulating right now. One is ebola. Thats hard to catch. The other is fear and thats easy to catch and a lot of americans are getting it. Do i think for medical reasons he needs to self isolate . I do not. I agree that hes watching for fever, as soon as it appears, he gets himself to the hospital. No one was put at risk unless they had sex with him in the bowl alley or shared a toothbrush with him on the train. Prudence is stay at home, isolate yourself and dont warneder around. Maybe we should set up a hotel for heroes, theyre going to the front lines to fight the disease. Lets put them in a nice place. They shouldnt be going to a jail. They should be going somewhere where the food is good. Let them be doing interviews on what they saw in west africa. Lets celebrate them but maybe keep them a little restricted for the three weeks before we kind of let them go their merry way. I like that idea. I dont want to hammer this guy. He was apparently doing gods work. Exactly. But when you go through the chronology. It was the times on friday that said there wasnt any explanation. It said that he was sluggish, began to feel sluggish on tuesday and then you learn on wednesday he goes from harlem to bowling in brooklyn, hes on the high line. Thats when i said to myself, at the minute he started to feel sluggish, why didnt he just stay at home. I cant disagree with that. Why are we doing the Contract Tracing . What if she caught his hand somewhere or did get drunk and have sex with somebody in the city. Its more prudent, lets do the isolation but lets celebrate them. What we dont want to do is turn it into jail. We want people to go over there and stop the ep kemic and we want people to go back over there and stop the epidemic. The way to do that, these doctors and nurses going toward danger, lets handle them appropriately. We need to be prudent to control fear and panic but lets give them their props. Lets say, youre doing wonderful things, ethical things, lets reward you for that. On your Facebook Page at the end of the weekend, can we put this up on the screen, but you ended there it is. So could we all not go insane at once. Ebola doc at bellevue went bowling, so what. He has no symptoms. His fiancee needs to worry if theyed a sex or shared a toothbrush. Those trying for strikes should be spared any concern. Come on media, do better. 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If the problem gets worse, how prepared is new york city. One man who knows the answer is a former new York City Police commissioner and the american appointed interim interior minister for iraq. Bernard, how prepared is nyc for this. I think extremely well prepared. Its probably better prepared than any city in the country. Keep in mind, new york city has resources that no other city really has. In the Police Department you have 41 40,000 cops, uniform cops, you have an enormous friept, emergency service, Emergency Medical Service unit, you have an office of Emergency Management. And today, mike, the Emergency Management center is controlled and managed by the commissioner who was the chief of department on and in the aftermath of 911, had to deal with the 911, had to deal with an tracks. And you have a phenomenal Health Department that works in conjunction with the cdc out of atlanta and we had to do that with the anthrax threat. Youve got enormous responses that extremely beneficial. Sounds like youre unconcerned about turf battles between local, state and federal official. New york city is pretty good at working together with the state and the federal government. You know, for the city itself, you have police commissioner, who i think is the best commissioners theyve ever had. The fire Department Works were cooperatively with the pd. The office of Emergency Management oversees all of the sort of Critical Infrastructure and working relationships between the city agency for the mayor himself. So theres an enormous body of people, city agency heads that work together. And the state comes in, the federal government comes in, theyve done this for years. Unlike just about any other city in our country, theyve been doing this back in 1996 when mayor giuliani created the office of Emergency Management. In my day job as a talk radio host where i like to say i answer phones for a reason, i have never seen an issues where theres such a desire for information from the general public to which i would say to you i think communication is a very important part of the government response. Quick thought on that from you. Communications is the key to the success of handling any crisis. If you look back to the days of 911, you would see me, giuliani, the fire commissioner four or five times a day notifying the public, telling them whats going on. Thats one of the most important things you can do. And new york city has a device by which that is done. So i think youre going to see a lot of communications, a lot of working relationships between the feds, the cdc and the city. And honestly, your two speakers earlier, the doctors, they were phenomenal. Listen to them, dont panic, go about your business. Thank you. Dr. Spencer lives in harlem on a quiet street where understandably many neighbors are nervous. Getting them information and helping them cope is a job their city councilman has jaoined in. The shock has warn off but there is a tremendous amount of misinformation out there and that had bred om panic, unwarranted. But there are people who live across the street that are worried that because they shopped in the same deli as dr. Spencer they might have been exposed. There are people going around covering up their mouth. This is not airborne. Even the postal area who went into the building a couple of hours ago had a mask on. This is not an airborne disease. We still have some work to do to get it out to the public. The media has a huge radole her. We have to get the truth out to the regular members of the community. Are the neighbors critical of the doctor for having been so free flowing of his travel around the city . Those who know him are fond of him. But in the broader community, there is some anger, i have to say, honestly, that he was out and about. Were communicating to those people that if he was a symptomatic, there was no risk. Thats not sunk in entirely. People are worried if they sat next to him on the subway or live in his building and grabbed an elevator button that he might have touched, they could be expos exposed. Thats not the case. Were getting the word out but there is fear. I was on the e train yesterday coming from penn station and you sense that people are kind of looking around and its on everyones mind. For sure. Blanket coverage in the media ensures that. But people are also getting the message out there, this is not an airborne disease, that if you didnt have intimate contact with dr. Spencer youre okay. Theres a school on his block, an Elementary School with a thousand kids on the very block where he lives. Attendance was down some there today. Parents unjustifiably in my opinion, parents holding their kids back. But there was good curriculum in the school today explaining to kids about this disease. Were making progress. Thank you for being here. Just ahead, weve heard reports that isis is using deadly gas. Could that be looking for a Nuclear Weapon. And Michael Browns official autopsy leaked out this week. Are if we any closer to knowing if the Police Officer who shot him will be indicted . Yeah, dinner sounds good. I could come by your place. My place . Uhh. Um. Hold on. Introducing the allnew volkswagen golf. Plenty of room for whatever life throws at you. Sir, were loaded and getting ready to go. Were going to need you on the runway. vo dont let a severe cold hold you back. Sir . vo theraflu starts to get to work in your body in just 5 minutes. vo theraflu breaks you free from your worst cold and flu symptoms. vo theraflu. Serious power. If you thought isis was fright,ing before, consider this. The state Department Says its looking into reports that the terrorist group is using chemical weapons against its enemies. Ever since we became aware of how strong and brutal isis was, one key question has been this. What if they got their hands on Nuclear Weapons. Is it possible isis could get hold of one . Valley plame, the former cia officer who worked to stop the proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, left the agency after her cover was blown. Shes now an author and her latest novel is burned. Your new novel talks about a nuclear arms dealer. How hard would it be for the Islamic State to get a nuke. It is fairly easy. But Nuclear Technology has proliferat proliferated. Theres highly enriched uranium. Its too easy. Lets talk about the report this week that chlorine gas may be something they already have. How hard is it to produce that and if they have chlorine gas, what else might they have . The problem is chemical weapon use is its very ineffective on the battlefield. You have to assess where the wind is going and so forth. Chlorine is fairly common and easy to make chemical weapon. Of course we had gone in to syria and they had claimed that they had cleared all of their chemical stockpiles. But isis is using this, perhaps, to see how effective it can be on the battlefield, because they are clearly advancing and hungry for more territory. Does the fact that in of the attacks that were seeing from the Islamic State in north america, the fact that they are of a lone wolf origin, does that at least give us some solace against their use of a Nuclear Weapon or a chemical weapon insofar as its hard are for a lone wolf to get access to such weaponry . Indeed if thats how you want to look at it. But that is a grave concern because there may be those that are eat logically aligned with isis, theyve been drawn in by their pretty slick prop gaganda and yet nay ear not officially part of it. Theyre taking out, acting out what they perceive to be their jihadist route in these attacks that we saw the other day in canada, perhaps what we saw in new york. We dont know. And there may be others. In terms of getting Nuclear Material or dirty bomb, unfortunately it it is much too easy. Valley plame, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Its been a week filled with tragedy, death and heroism. Terrorist in our northern neighbor canada as a gunman killed a soldier before the parliament sergeant at arms bravely stopped his rampage. And the bloody fieg in syria and iraq goes on nonstop. What draws people from all over the world to isis and jihad, even Young Americans ready to give up everything . In some cases its recruiters like this one in a canadian video. Every day regular canadians before islam. He guided me from the darkness to the light of islam. This week three teenage girls from colorado answered the call to jihad but were they pulled off of a plane in germany. 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