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Nigeria rescue those girls. So far some 50 advisors are there and the u. S. Is flying intelligence flights over parts of that country. The former Deputy Director of the cia Counterterrorism Center knows exactly what it means to use u. S. Intelligence in terror hot spots and phil mudd is here this morning a Ranking Member of the House Foreign Affairs committee convening next weeks hearing is elliot engel. I want to play sound from highRanking Members of congress about the u. S. Role in the crisis. I would like to see special forces deployed to help rescue these young girls. If the president decided to use special forces, i certainly would not oppose them. I would utilize every tool that we have to rescue these young girls. And that means it would be done surgically, it could be done in a way that is very efficient. But for us not to do that, in my view, would be an obligation of our responsibilities. A lot of tough talk from your colleagues. Do you buy into what you just heard . Youre hearing from the frustration. These girls are captured and what happened to them is horrible and we feel frustrated bout not being able to do anything. But its easier said than done. I dont know whether boots on the ground would accomplish anything. You you know, if we put boots on the ground and then god forbid girls were killed they would say we botched the operation. I think we have to be very, very careful and see what all our options are as the days go by and do what we can to save the girls but i think we have to be realistic. Phil, if the lawmakers make the decision to go and then they come to guys like you, how practical and can we pull this off . What are some dynamics going through your mind as you assess the issue . How well can we look at the site if we cant even locate it. Do we understand what the intentions of the adversary are and the second in the reality is think of these compounded factors. We want a geographic space that is presumably pretty large. 230 girls that might be held in different locations and, three, unpredictable hostage holders who might shoot these girls as soon as you show up. Nice to talk about special forces. But if you took these three characteristics and lined them up, this is going to be tragic. This is something we should be doing so long as it is contained, discreet, targeted and humanitarian. Easier said than done. How about no. Youre taking those characteristics and telling me youre putting a u. S. Boy or girl in the line of fire and those are the characteristics you have to meet, its not going to happen. The u. S. Government looks weak if, in fact, were not directly involved in a situation like boco haram. I think were directly involved. Were trying to work with the Nigerian Government and there are problems with the Nigerian Military and all kinds of problems not a plaque and white issue. I want to save the girls as much as anyone and i hope we can and i hope we will and all things going on behind the scenes that we dont even know about yet. We are doing everything we can. But whether or not i agree with phil and whether or not we send special forces there and god forbid someone gets killed, then we botched the job. Was secretary clinton slow at the switch in designating them as a terror group . I dont think it matters one way or another. They are a terror group and designated them as a terrorist group. I think the problem really lies more with the Nigerian Military and the fact that its very difficult to coordinate with them because there is corruption, theres incompetence. It is, again, easier said than done. Are we spoiled by the success of seal team 6 in abodbad. There were no casualties, thank god and they completed that mission and therefore we think this is easy. Look at these guys in nigeria. We could overpower them and free all those school girls. You look not only against the operation against bin laden. I remember reacting to that when i was just out of cia. This is on the verge of a miracle that everything worked right there. The operations of drones and standoff operations and say we can do this without putting a human life at risk and with that many girls on the ground. Either the girls are going to die or the captors are going to die. Just not going to be clean. From a gathering intelligence standpoint how difficult, i know youre out of the business these days. I never buy that with guys like you. How difficult do you think it is to get data . Never out of the business. Two pieces of data that you can focus on. The imagery data and the data from the drone that gives you a sense of where the camp is and whats happening. The second is technical data. The complication here, though, is what we call human. Human sources. My guess is the nigerians have alienated boko haram that its difficult to recruit members. You are the ranking democrat on the committee that will convene this wednesday and i also looked at a statement from the chairman and much tougher talk than youre offering here. What would be the net of the wednesday hearing . Well, we have representative from the state department and one from the Defense Department and we really want to hear what our options are. Conducting this hearing together in a bipartisan fashion which we try very hard to do on the Foreign Affairs committee and i think our views on this are not dissimilar. We want to rescue those girls and also do whats feasible. We want to listen to our witnesses, see what they have to say and make our decisions then. Its very easy to sort of be emotional and say, well, rescue those girls and put boots on the ground but, again, we dont know if the girls are still all in one place. We dont even know if theyre all alive. I know were catching you both cold and im about to put my own headline on this story. If you were writing a headline on this story, what would the headline be . Phil, anything come to the top of the mind . Tragedy impending. This is going to be, there will be a capture operation at some point give on the complicated nature of the target and the geographic dispersal all of these girls, someone is going to die. Congressman, what headline would you put on this story . I think phil is quite right on that. Its easier said than done. We tried and we did our best and hopefully it will be enough. Here comes mine, you remember that original headline, put that up. Well go back to the original headline. Mccain send u. S. Special forces to rescue nigerian girls. No vital u. S. Interest, no troops. Gentlemen, thank you for being here. Donald sterlings rant and michael sams kiss both raise the bigger issue, what are you free to say or do without fear of condemnation . This man knows who the Zodiac Killer is and he can prove it. 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Am i entitled to one mistake after 35 years . I love my league and i love my partners. Am i entitled to one mistake . Its a terrible mistake and ill never do it again. His ban raises questions about free speech and so does this. Last saturday michael sam became the first openly gay player drafted by the nfl. When he got the call he kissed and hugged his boyfriend. Their show of affection got a huge reaction on social media, positive and negative. One Miami Dolphins player tweeted omg and horrible. Don jones has since deleted those comments, but he got suspended and has to go to a form of sensitivity training. Cedric maxwell played for the clippers and radio broadcaster and noted First Amendment attorney who was one of the first to raise this free speech issue on cnn. Com. Gentlemen, thank you for joining us now. Cedric, i have to say when i saw the tweet from the Miami Dolphin player i thought of you because about two weeks ago here on cnn you were the one who said to me, im worried about the slippery slope and where this is all leading. I guess youre entitled to an i told you so. It is true. I think this way about it. Slippery slope and everything that goes wrong. We talked about over and over again that there are going to be some people who are going to get in trouble because of this. The problem i have, michael, is one thing. You know i am very much about everybody living their lifestyle, but at the same time, you cannot say anything that might be negative about anybody living a different lifestyle without being persecuted yourself. That, to me, is going way over the top. You are giving those kind of people that much more power if youre telling people who have an opinion that they cant use it because its different. Hey, mark, in usa today ken paulson wrote on this very subiesu subject and he said imagine what would have happened if the dolphin player congratulations to michael sam and it offends my deepest religious beliefs. I think he raised a great issue. If he tied it to his faith, maybe he wouldnt have been reprimanded. Help me sort this out. Well, maybe he wouldnt. But i think we need to sort out a difference between your First Amendment rights and prince ple. Anybody keeping these guys is not violating their First Amendment rights. The nevertheless, i dont think he says if its because of his religious beliefs or if he has bigoted beliefs. Shouldnt we have the belief to be bigoted. Thats different than defending bigotry. I subscribe to the orthodoxy that theyre trying to enforce but my beliefs are Strong Enough that they can stand in opposition to a bigots beliefs. I believe the marketplace of ideas will eventually cause what i believe to be the winning side of the story. Cedric, does that make sense to you . Do you think the market can respond to this . Do you think a public reaction to Donald Sterling would have been sufficient and maybe a public reaction to the Miami Dolphin player would have similarly been sufficient . No, really, i think there is going to be a backlash. Over and over again when you think about what happened with Donald Sterling. I love this part. Big, bad, magic johnson. What has he done . Donald sterling keeps digging a bigger and bigger hole. This will be protracted and not go away. This is nba Worst Nightmare and going over a Long Distance of time. Marc, what it makes me wonder is if this is not just a celebrity issue. Might this get into routine americans workplace where now something thats said after hours that gets back to the boss causes them to be targeted and reprimanded in the workplace . Mike, were already there. This all really percolated in the early 90s on academic campuses where you had civility codes and speech codes beginning to develop already. And by the time we all realized it was too big, it was too late. You know, places where youre supposed to have the greatest ability for freedom of thought have already shut that down. Im not surprised that now its leaking out into the public sphere. You know, i think that we should have freedom of explosion and you should let the marketplace of ideas deal with that problem, not coercion. Hey, cedric, as a super star of the game and a guy who still got more than just a hand in. You speak to both the retired players and im sure those who are active today. Are the concerns that youre expressing here, concerns about where this all leads, things that youre hearing from athletes . Yes. Very much so. I think the athletes right now are looking at it and saying this is that slope. What can i say . What cant i say . Every time you see an athlete tweet, tweet about any kind of social issue, it seems to be a problem. And everybody kind of goes at them. So, its almost like to the point now where you just want to pull back and not really say anything at all and not have an opinion. And i dont think thats what we want from our athletes, from our people, anybody out there. Everybody should be entitled to an opinion. Hey, marc, what then are we saying . It seems like theres a consensus among the three of us that we have a concern that perhaps the ripple effects of this are going to go too far but, of course, none of us are buying into any of that crazy and racist talk from Donald Sterling. What, marc, are we saying should happen to individuals like him Going Forward . You know, i have to agree with mr. Maxwell. There should be this wideopen and robust debate and i think we eare getting into a place where debate is going to suffer. Having the bad guy Say Something that we dont agree with, it doesnt mean that were okay with it. It sxhim sometimes gives us the ability to put up a negative example. Sometimes that we can hear Say Something we dont like and the chorus of other speakers comes up and says, no, youre really an isolated individual if you have these bigoted views. That progresses society. That progresses ideas. If people are afraid to speak, as mr. Maxwell said, well, you know where we wind up . We wind up with just an echo chamber of what the orthodox view is and thats not good for anybody. Its not even good for the people who subscribe to the orthodox view. Marc, cedric, thank you both, gentlemen. Stick around and listen to my headline. I think youre going to like it. Remember that opening headline . Donald sterling tells nba he wont pay fine. Heres how i would have rewritten it. New speech standards, not so sterling. How is your Health Care Plan at work . 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