And later the fallout from trumps socalled zero tolerance policy at the border. Well speak with a reporter who tracked down this 4monthold baby and what happened when he was separated from his patients. But first, a headline in this weekends New York Times. Trumps foggy truth meets the fog of war. Right now trump is lashing out at this paper once again, even accusing it of virtual treason. We are so way off the deep end. But were going to step back a few days and start with something that trump said in that abc interview a few days ago. I like the truth. You know, im actually a very honest guy. I like the truth you know, im actually a very honest guy. I like the truth. I think this animation says it all. We had to rewind that one to hear it again. The president saying hes honest and he likes honesty. Trump often hits the media for lacking credibility. He says the media has zero credibility. But its clear hes really just projecting his own biggest weakness. When you dont have trust, you dont have anything. And most americans clearly do not trust President Trump. This is one of those realities that impacts every single conversation about american politics. It is the foundation of the house. It is the thing that turns the solid ground to swampy mud. Even some of the president s supporters know he lies all the time. And it really platters at moments like this. Heres the New York Times headline as trump accuses iran, he has one problem. His own credibility. As you know, the Trump Administration is blaming iran for these oil tanker attacks in the gulf of oman. Theres been lots of conflicting information and very little concrete evidence. So trust, credibility, its most important at times like these. But trump has squandered 10 thousands, 196 times in a row. Of course, his biggest fans dont think they can trust the tv anchors pointing this out. That is whats called polarization in action. Thats also partly due to people like Sarah Sanders, part of this problem. Shes now leaving the job after nearly two years and shes leaving a big void. Shes leave agempty White House Press briefing room. Its been 97 days without a daily on camera press briefing. Whats the impact of this lack of access . Whats the impact of this lack of trust . Lets talk about it now with our panel who is joining me here in new york, sim, a former Senior Adviser of the National Security council under obama, now a cnn National Security analyst, columnist max boot is here and media columnist for the post Margaret Sullivan is here. Margaret, first to you, in one sentence what is Sarah Sanders legacy . She tried to mislead reporters. In doing that, she tried to mislead the American Public. Thats the very opposite of what she should have been doing because its the American Public that actually employs here. We lose out. Max, whats your one sentence. Well, sara sanders said that her legacy was going to be she was transparent and honest. In fact, it is that she was opaque and dishonest. She was a liar representing a liar. And sam, yours . Who is Sarah Sanders . I thought donald trump was press secretary. Lets come back to that in a moment. Do you think, margaret, the death of the White House Briefing matters . Ive been talking a lot about it. Do you think it matters. I do. I think thats an opportunity for reporters to bring up subjects, try to hold the president accountable. I mean, it certainly became less valuable, but it was an important thing and it should be returned to. So who is going to be press secretary . Look at a few of the contenders out there in the past few days. You know one of them, Manuel Ortega gas has been talked about this job, so have hogan gidley at the white house right now and many 0 others. Any sense he sam, whether it will be morgan or someone else. I think morgan is happy at the state department. What does it matter who the new press secretary is . Donald trump briefs the press every day by tweet. Last night we had him saying that reporters should be executed for doing their jobs. Whomever actually decides to take that position is irrelevant. Youre talking about his tweet involving the New York Times and treason. accused the New York Times of a virtual act of treason which is a Death Penalty offense. Hes referring to a story in sundays New York Times all about russia. The headline in print u. S. Buries digital land mine to menace russias power grid. Sum up the story for us, sam. Its about the u. S. Basically using Cyber Security techniques to undermine russias power grid. Is that the story. It is. Russia launches Cyber Attacks against the United States in our most private places, election infrastructure as well as our electric infrastructure and even residential homes. So the president authorized the pentagon, the department of defense to level the Playing Field by launching similar attacks against russian infrastructure. My of take and the tweet he issued last night, who is he worried about upsetting . Hes tweeting about executing journalists we. Hes not literally doing that. Hes saying treason is punishable by death and its a dangerous statement to make. My question again, brian, who is he worried about upsetting with the story in the United States is launching these operations to try to protect our country from further attacks. And hes weeks away from seeing putin. Is he worried putin is going to react negatively to the story or worried about the fact that buried in that story it says his own team is worried about briefing him because theyre worried hes going to leak the information. Hes lashing out at the times rather than vladimir putin. The quote says twos Administration Officials said they believed mr. Trump had not been briefed in detail about his efforts due to possible concerns that he would share it with russia or Something Like that. Max, what were you going to add. Thats the big news here. Its not so much that we are taking steps to potentially sabotage the russian power grid. The real story is that Donald Trumps own defense and intelligence officials dont trust him. They dont necessarily think he has the best interests of america at heart. And by the way, his claim that the times was guilty of tree on is absurd. Its bogus. If you read the story itself, it says they ran these charges by the National Security council. They ran the story by the National Security council and the nsc had no problem with publishing. This is part of a messaging campaign by the u. S. Government to essentially deter the russians. This is the u. S. Government acting essentially independently of the president of the United States which should be cause for alarm on multiple levels. Here is the statement from the New York Times that begins by saying accusing the press of treason is dangerous. We described the article to the government before publication as our story notes, President Trumps own National Security officials said there were no concerns. So margaret, your reaction when the president uses extreme language like this. Just when we think it cant get any worse when he uses terms like enemy of the people or fake news on that kind of thing this ratchets it up. The other point i would make is that in almost every case in which the president has attacked press or said thats fake or the press is corrupt, the story turns out to be true. And we know that from the Mueller Report. So many things that he had said were not the case turn out in the Mueller Report to have been economy solid. So you know, his credibility is shot. Look at how incoherent his tweets are. On the one hand hes saying that the New York Times are guilty of treason. But its not true. How could they be guilty if its not true. How could he know if its true if he hasnt been briefed. I worked for obama and bush. Both president s regularly got briefed on what we were doing against active hostile foreign powers. Not only is the National Security team trying to have to manage the president. Hes not even asking to be updates on some of the most important operations were undertaking against our biggest enemies. All of this is pretty frightening to be talking about especially in the context of escalating tensions with iran. Max, what is your advice for the press in the coming days and weeks as we larry all about the u. S. Versus iran . I think you cannot take whatever this Administration Says at face value. That is tragic but it is a reality. This is a president we have documentation that he has lied almost 11,000 times since coming into office. We know they have tried to manipulate intelligence. Donald trump routinely. The president has tried to manipulate intelligence. I dont know that the Intelligence Community has tried to manipulate it. Not just the president , also the National Security adviser. There was a story about how john bolton tried to blame iran for an attack in kabul which was claimed by the taliban. Its very hard to take at face value what theyre saying. I do think its most likely the case the iranian were behind these attacks in the gulf. You have to be skeptical with anything coming out of this administration. That is the cost of not having any credibility. Thats exactly right. We need evidence, journalists have to depend evidence. Panel, please stick around. We are monitoring the mass demonstrations in hong kong. Lets show you the pictures coming out of that city right now. These are yet another day of these incredible inspiring protests, citizens there protesting a proposed extradition bill. Well keep a close eye on whats going on in hong kong. Coming up, President Trumps willingness to accept dirt in 2020. 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For people with hearing loss, visit sprintrelay. Com welcome back to reliable sources. Im bribe stelter. This scene from trumps interview with abc has been dominating the news for days, trump saying hes open to hearing dirt from foreign governments about his upons in 2020. But are newsrooms prepared to answer the same question . What should we do the next time stolen documents show up at the digital door. We remember what happened in 2016 with wikileaks. Margaret sullivan you wrote about this in a column this year, what should journalists should do when hacked stolen data shows up designed to disrupt an election. You say dont publish weaponized gossip. There has to be an exceedingly high bar for anything that makes its way into our, into, the public eye through us. And anything thats gossipy or doesnt have extraordinarily high news value should be disoftened immediately. The other really important thing here is to make it clear where anything is coming from. Thats actually is the story. I mean we dont know what the information might be. You also wrote in your column weve got to nail down and emphasize the source of the hack. Thats exactly what youre say here, make clear the motivation of the hack. Maybe not publish anything at all. Sam, how big of a fallure was this in 2016 when this russian attempt to interfere with the election was spread through media outlets. We know not Mueller Report that the russian intelligence reports tried to launder stolen information through reporters. The gru, the Russian InvestigationServices According to mueller push this had information to reporters because they viewed the u. S. Media as a laundromat for stolen information. The key point here is reporters should know their source. The russian government isnt trying to inform the American Public with this information. They have a strong bias pushing this information out as part of their agenda to undermine the United States. Its not meant to inform but to confuse and demoralize. The story were talking about it because of abcs interview with the president. George stephanopoulos won the week journalism wise by having two days with President Trump, repeated interviews will air in a special later today. Theres been a reaction from some on fox news saying why would President Trump talk to abc at all . What do you make of those kinds of reactions. They dont like what he las to say or its embarrassing and theyre trying to blame the messenger rather than the pless ac. This is preposterous as if somehow George Stephanopoulos tricked donald trump into saying he would make suess of foreign election interference in the future and not call the fbi. Stephanopoulos did not make him say that. This is the president saying he will not uphold his oath of office and betray the country and not guard the National Security. Fox is trying to pretend the democrats are relitigate the election or there is no different from the Clinton Campaign hiring fusion gps to Research Donald Trump or somehow that this is no different from trump talking to the queen of england. This is so preposterous. I dont know whats more offensive the fact trump does not have our National Security at heart or people make stuff up to defend him. We did see the trump tv gooed feedback loop in action. The first time on cnbc. He didnt like what the chamber of commerce said. He called into cnbc. At the end of the week, he called fox and friends to try to clean up his abc mess. Heres what happened at the end of the fox and friends interview. Heres what steve does i said. Thank you very much. Thanks so much. We thought that interview might go ten minutes. It went 15 minutes and 20 seconds. We appreciate the president taking timeout to explain all that stuff to all of you. It did last 15 minutes. There wasnt much news made. The odd thing about this been was you actually saw fox and friends trying to wrap the president. Well, mr. President , we know you have a very busy day and its your birthday. So long. Its really an odd sight to see. It is. There is no polling this weeking about impeachment that shows a supply the about impeachment among american voters. 27 say yes, there should be an impeachment hearing right now. Another 24 say maybe later, once there are more investigations. And 48 of americans say no, the president should finish out his term. There should not be impeachment proceedings. Striking numbers from this poll. I wonder what you all think, i admit a provocative question. Is the press rooting for impeachment . Do journalists want to see the president impeached . The press have different views, different news outlets and media outlets. Is there something to the idea news rooms want to see impeachment hearings . I dont think so. They report the facts. Thats what they do. They report what congress is doing and what various political constituencies are thinking. Im not a journalist. Im an analyst. Im paid to provide my opinion. Journalists are reporting facts. I dont think that putting the press in one basket is helpful. Trump does that, but we shouldnt do that. There have been a number of prominent democrats saying its the media making all this noise. She says the medi