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In us, the media. Talk to a man who has firsthand experience. Maybe he also has a solution. Nfl commissioner Roger Goodell came out of hiding friday afternoon but was it enough, enough to save his job, enough to satisfy league sponsors . They have been critical of the handling of the scandals. Another question, are we in the media now at the point where we are paying too much attention to all of this . To answer all that lets bring in lz granderson and mark, an assistant managing ed for for Sports Illustrated and the mmqb. Thank you for being here this morning. Before we start, lz, let me play a sound bite from goodell and ask you to react to it. Im not satisfied with what we did. I let myself down. I let everybody else down, and for that im sorry. As i mentioned earlier. But thats what were going to correct and thats what were going to fix. So lz, first, was it enough . I didnt like the phrasing of that answer because he said he wasnt happy with what he did. It should have been he hasnt been happy with what they have done. He has had between 55 and 57 Domestic Violence related arrests during his tenure. This wasnt begun or started with ray rice. Its been going on in the nfl for a long time and as i said, ha of a hundred arrests have been happening under his watch. Hes consistently turned a blind eye to this. I did not hear that being addressed in his presser. Do you think the sponsors who have put some pressure on the nfl through public statements are going to be satisfied now that theyve heard from goodell in this press conference . I do think so. I think they made a statement and they basically told goodell to get his act together and the nfl to get their act together. And now goodell is saying hes going to. He was contrite and looked a little shaken in that press conference and i think what the plan hes putting forward will probably pacify the sponsors. Whats most important about the advertisers is they havent pulled money off the table. They havent decided not to be buying ads on nfl programming and that would be the ultimate leverage they have that they have not used. Right. And, you know, i think what youre seeing is television the nfl is the last Great Television product, and, you know, theyre going to be there will be 25 Million People watching the nfl tonight. There will be hundreds of millions over the course of the season. Its too good for sponsors to pass up. The ceo of cbs less mon ves said the ratings have been phenomenal for his new franchise nurse night football and he said football is still the best thing on television. He has a vested interest to say that but hes right. The number one, two, and three programs on tv were the nfl and it will be that way all fall. Thats part of the reason why we havent heard outrage over the 50plus arrests for Domestic Violence. At the end of the day we dont care, the general public. If we truly cared enough about this issue, each time it would have been reported, we would have seen a spike in the eye tension being directed toward the nfl. If thats the case whats going on now . What about this moment has caused saturation coverage for two weeks . Theres a couple things. One we have the video. Two, social media allows us to do mobbing. Everyone is jumping in, everyone has a hash tag, search directing their energy towards the commissioner. Even current players now are getting on twitter and condemning the commissioner but you didnt hear the players during the previous arrests and Domestic Violence. Like those guys were playing with them. Some of them have been accused of punching and choking their girlfriends and wives while they were pregnant and you did not hear from those players in the nfl locker room. Now you got this video and a mob mentality. Thats what youre seeing now. We see a dozen Television Networks carrying that press Conference Live on friday, even all the Major Broadcast Networks carrying it live. This is cnns own Rachel Nichols asking a pointed question and an hour later rachel was trending on twitter because of it. Here is the clip. Roger, you have had pretty extreme unilateral power in deciding discipline. As you have said a few times, you have gotten it wrong in a few cases and that tends to happen when theres no checks and balances. How willing are you to give up some of that power and do you think that that would be the right thing for you to do . Well, rachel, as i said in my statement, everything is on the table. Were going to make sure that we look at every aspect of the process of how we gather information to make a decision, how we make that decision, and then the appeals process, and all of that is on the table and all of that is Important Information that we want outside experts to give us some perspective on and see if theres a better way to do it. We believe there is and we believe we need it. We cant continue to operate like this. Like i said, her nape was trending on twitter after this. This press conference in some ways was spectacle. He did finally open himself up to a room of reporters. He didnt just invite in one single interviewer or a couple interviewers. He took questions from a bunch of people and he took them for a while. Which could explain where hes been for the past nine days. Preparing for this. Preparing for this moment, absolutely. I think he had a lot of people doing a lot of Media Training with him to get him to say the right thing really there. I think what we saw was a commissioner who, as i said, contrite and taking a step back from his role as a sort of the sheriff of the nfl, and i think it hurts him a little bit, it hurts his image a little bit, but i think it was damage control that 23450eded to be done. Alex sherman at bloomberg, this is what he wrote right after the press conference. He wrote the media quants blood here. There is little respect for goodell among the vast majority of people in that room it seems. Is there too much coverage of the scandals . Not when you have 200 Million People tuning in to the super bowl. He should be pend for this. And Domestic Violence is a serious, serious issue that has not been treated seriously by the nfl. So theyve kind of had this kind of building up over the past few decades and thats what youre beginning to see. Lowry wrote the media has lost its collective mind on this topic. He called it hysteria. I dont think its hysteria. This is a serious issue. Nfl has had a series of these. The head trauma, the lockout made the league look bad. It was a Tipping Point for the commissionership. We talked last week about the relationships between the big Television Networks and the league. Billions of dollars go to the league for the Television Rights to all of these games that were seeing all fall, and i have sensed some pretty aggressive coverage from these networks, from espn and many others. Do you share that sense, lz in i know youre a contributor to espn. Im putting you in a slightly tough position. Im guarding my job if i will. I will present this one question though. We have been really pointing our finger at the nfl asking if tmz got this video, how come you didnt get the video . The question also is fair to ask, how come the other networks didnt have access to that video as well. Espn or cbs or fox or nbc. Right. I think we are being very aggressive now. I think were being aggressive down one particular track but internally we need to look at ourselves and ask ourselves why didnt we have access to that video either . I think your point about everyone having a voice, i think the viewers got on twitter, on facebook and expressed their outrage in a way that television is an echo chamber of whats going on and responding to the readers and responding to the viewers. Youre saying maybe reporters are being so aggressive because they hear the audience screaming. I think thats exactly right, yeah. Theres also i dont know if you sense this as well, but i think in general were being more aggressive about behavior of athletes, owners behaving badly. We saw with donald sterling, you see a little with jim ersay. Were beginning to see a public and media thats more willing to go after the people providing this entertainment and not just letting them get a past. When we do stories on Sports Illustrated, you have to be perfectly sure if youre putting a guy on the cover, you have to make sure you do your due diligence. You cannot all of these guys. Adrian peterson, we have put him on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Hes a great guy. You immediate him and hes a good interview. Hes great with kids and all this stuff. You know, its the last thing you would expect for him to be in trouble like that. And, you know, i think everybody in the media now has just got to step back and say what is our role really . Which is why its so important to stop hero worshipping as sports writers. We stopped doing it with politicians after watergate. With our athletes we want to put them in the position of being great guys based on their onfield performance. We have to be critical about the women, too. We have hope solo why isnt hope solos case being talked about more . Its about gender difference and the sport they play. Hope solo and forgive me but soccer just is nots a relevant in this country as the nfl. Thats part of it. But its also the imagery. The ideal of a big, strong man hitting a defenseless woman does something to us that a woman hitting a woman does not do. But if Domestic Violence is the issue, we need to be consistent with that. I think its a gender issue, but i think weve not paid enough i tension to a lot of social issues that are occurring in society and that are impinging on sports. And, you know, as i said earlier, i think this is a really interesting Tipping Point for the media, not just for the nfl. Mark and lz, thank you fog being here. Thank you. Up next, a segment i think maybe Roger Goodell could benefit from. Something he might want to hear about. Well talk to someone who know what is its like to go through the media wringer. Well talk about whether americans do or dont trust the media because of cases like that. Youll want to hear what he says right after this. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. Made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. Whats up for the next shift . Ah, nothing much. Just keeping the lights on. laugh nice. Doing the big things that move an economy. See you tomorrow, mac. See you tomorrow, sam. Just another day at norfolk southern. Where the reward was that what if tnew car smelledit card and the freedom of the open road . A card that gave you that im 16 and just got my first car feeling. Presenting the buypower card from capital one. Redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac with no limits. So every time you use it, youre not just shopping for goods. Youre shopping for something great. Learn more at buypowercard. Com ur day to unplug. With centurylink as your technology partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure, and dedicated support, free you to focus on what matters. Centurylink. Your link to whats next. Hi can i help you . Im looking for a phone plan. It has to be a great one, and i dont compromise. Ok, how about 10 gigs of data to share, unlimited talk and text, and you can choose from 2 to 10 lines. Wow, sounds like a great deal. So im getting exactly what i want, then . Appears so. Now, um, im not too sure what to do with my arms right now cause this is when i usually start throwing things. Oh, thats terrifying at ts bestever pricing. 210 lines, 10 gigs of truly shareable data, unlimited talk and text, starting at 130 a month. That. That. That. That. Do you trust what you hear on television and read online . According to gallup, overall levels of trust in mass media fell back to a record low this year after a slight uptick last year that seems to have been a fluke. But dont take my word for it. Take a look at the data. These are annual figures dating back to the 90s. You can see that gradual trend line down for 15 years to about 40 overall now. Of course, the polling question is about the monolithic capital m media. Youre more likely to trust your local paper or local tv station than the media as a whole. Here is what i thought was the most interesting part of the data that came out this week. Right now were in the sixth year of the obama administration. During the same time in the bush administration, in between his reelection and the 2006 midterms, 70 of democrats said they trusted mass media. 31 of republicans said the same thing. But now democratic trust is down to 54 . Thats as bad as it was at the tail end of the clinton administration. Why . Here is my best guess. News about president obama has been mostly bad these past two years and democrats may feel the news media is part of the problem hurting the president. Here is another sign of that. This is another really interesting gallup question about whether the media is too liberal or too conservative. Theres a big uptick in people say its too conservative. Look at the top line here. This is too liberal and you have seen that for the past about 15 years, that number pretty much hasnt changed, been between 44 and 48 of americans who say the media overall is too liberal, but the bottom line is people saying the media is too conservative. Thats what has ticked up quite a bit to 19 in the most recent study. The gap between too liberal and too conservative, take a look here, it almost perfectly mirrors the gap between the ratings for fox news and msnbc. Now, i could bring in two partisan commentators to argue about the media but id rather from someone who has been in the glare of the news media. Someone who is all too familiar with what happened when you go from darling to bad boy. And maybe back and forth. Thats former congressman anthony weiner. He joins me now. My pleasure. Youre now part of the media. Where do you come down on this issue of media bias . Is it too liberal, conservative, neither, both . I think the media is like a rorschach test for consume irers. They can find whatever voupt they want. They can go to fox for conservative. Maybe go to msnbc for liberal. Right here on cnn for the god as honest truth. The fact is its become the media and politics have almost become interwoven. If they think the thing isnt on the level, theyre likely to think it just as much about politicians as they are about the media. I now do this monthly column for Business Insider and for the daily news and depending upon what viewpoint i take and this week i took a more conservative view of something, theyre like, oh, youre in the pocket of the conservatives. You automatic think i people are assuming the system isnt on the level and the media is getting dragged into that rightly or wrongly. Which issy t why the trust l gradually is declining. Its not just the media. Its true for all sorts of institutions. Institutions by and large are taking a hit. The financial institutions, the congress, a political agencies media. I think theres a moment where theres not a lot of confidence that things are legit. Thats why if you scour the internet even for five minutes you can see all kinds of Message Boards that talk about just skepticism that things are legit and the media even just by virtue of the fact that theyre delivering the information that people are concerned about i think is in that morass. I say is it possible its both . Sometimes some articles or segments feel so conservative, others might feel too liberal on the shaame channel or newspaper. Theres something that happens. Very often the media attempts to do the split screen. Here is the liberal, here is the conservative, you fight it out. This allows a viewer to say because theres a line rberal oe screen, it lets the viewer say they have that bias or the other way around. I believe its dragging down the perception of the media. You said to me the cynicism industry is fighting back. Its biting back. Whats happening is theres so much cynicism. Youve got the jon stewarts of the world who lift up issues just far enough to whack them. Bill maher. Now the politicians are doing the same thing. They refer to the mainstream media, dont believe fox or msnbc. We are playing into the notion of cynicism. Something else is happening. Theres so much money in politics to put nice sheen on politicians. The media maybe legitimately feels its their job to tear it off. What do you have . You have basically theyre in the business of trying to show things are not as good as they should be. That might be their job but the problem is its generally in this ethos now that i think a lot of people have when they talk to me about being in the media. Theyre like i trust you even less than i did when you were in congress which wasnt a lot. Really . But isnt there a sheen that needs to be torn off . Isnt there a dirty reality we need to see beneath the surface . I guess but it really is, and this is a critique i have of your business and now its kind of mine, is that that cant be the sum and substance of what reporter thinks their job is. They ran a glitzy tv commercial, we have to show theyre not all that. You never again get in get in the true conversation citizens want. If its only about this guy wants you to be this great guy, he doesnt even live in the state. You never youre not going to hear any debate about Foreign Policy in the kansas elections. Thats an interesting point about the substance. Do you look back on your time in congress and then your attempt to run for mayor and blame the media for them exposing your personal life . The socalled sexting scandals . I put myself i created the thing that brought me down and look at the arc of my career. I poked a finger at a lot of people in the media and poked a finger at the fox news types and so do you think they were poking back for that reason . Listen, when you create a circumstance that i did, when you have the behavior that i did, when your name is weiner or when youre running for office, i dont have any complaints about that. I, you know, created this situation. No one is to blame for that. My situation can come around in the 40s, 50s, with the exception of the internet, the media did what they are supposed to do. Anytime i speak to a Roger Goodell<\/a> came out of hiding friday afternoon but was it enough, enough to save his job, enough to satisfy league sponsors . They have been critical of the handling of the scandals. Another question, are we in the media now at the point where we are paying too much attention to all of this . To answer all that lets bring in lz granderson and mark, an assistant managing ed for for Sports Illustrated<\/a> and the mmqb. Thank you for being here this morning. Before we start, lz, let me play a sound bite from goodell and ask you to react to it. Im not satisfied with what we did. I let myself down. I let everybody else down, and for that im sorry. As i mentioned earlier. But thats what were going to correct and thats what were going to fix. So lz, first, was it enough . I didnt like the phrasing of that answer because he said he wasnt happy with what he did. It should have been he hasnt been happy with what they have done. He has had between 55 and 57 Domestic Violence<\/a> related arrests during his tenure. This wasnt begun or started with ray rice. Its been going on in the nfl for a long time and as i said, ha of a hundred arrests have been happening under his watch. Hes consistently turned a blind eye to this. I did not hear that being addressed in his presser. Do you think the sponsors who have put some pressure on the nfl through public statements are going to be satisfied now that theyve heard from goodell in this press conference . I do think so. I think they made a statement and they basically told goodell to get his act together and the nfl to get their act together. And now goodell is saying hes going to. He was contrite and looked a little shaken in that press conference and i think what the plan hes putting forward will probably pacify the sponsors. Whats most important about the advertisers is they havent pulled money off the table. They havent decided not to be buying ads on nfl programming and that would be the ultimate leverage they have that they have not used. Right. And, you know, i think what youre seeing is television the nfl is the last Great Television<\/a> product, and, you know, theyre going to be there will be 25 Million People<\/a> watching the nfl tonight. There will be hundreds of millions over the course of the season. Its too good for sponsors to pass up. The ceo of cbs less mon ves said the ratings have been phenomenal for his new franchise nurse night football and he said football is still the best thing on television. He has a vested interest to say that but hes right. The number one, two, and three programs on tv were the nfl and it will be that way all fall. Thats part of the reason why we havent heard outrage over the 50plus arrests for Domestic Violence<\/a>. At the end of the day we dont care, the general public. If we truly cared enough about this issue, each time it would have been reported, we would have seen a spike in the eye tension being directed toward the nfl. If thats the case whats going on now . What about this moment has caused saturation coverage for two weeks . Theres a couple things. One we have the video. Two, social media allows us to do mobbing. Everyone is jumping in, everyone has a hash tag, search directing their energy towards the commissioner. Even current players now are getting on twitter and condemning the commissioner but you didnt hear the players during the previous arrests and Domestic Violence<\/a>. Like those guys were playing with them. Some of them have been accused of punching and choking their girlfriends and wives while they were pregnant and you did not hear from those players in the nfl locker room. Now you got this video and a mob mentality. Thats what youre seeing now. We see a dozen Television Networks<\/a> carrying that press Conference Live<\/a> on friday, even all the Major Broadcast Networks<\/a> carrying it live. This is cnns own Rachel Nichols<\/a> asking a pointed question and an hour later rachel was trending on twitter because of it. Here is the clip. Roger, you have had pretty extreme unilateral power in deciding discipline. As you have said a few times, you have gotten it wrong in a few cases and that tends to happen when theres no checks and balances. How willing are you to give up some of that power and do you think that that would be the right thing for you to do . Well, rachel, as i said in my statement, everything is on the table. Were going to make sure that we look at every aspect of the process of how we gather information to make a decision, how we make that decision, and then the appeals process, and all of that is on the table and all of that is Important Information<\/a> that we want outside experts to give us some perspective on and see if theres a better way to do it. We believe there is and we believe we need it. We cant continue to operate like this. Like i said, her nape was trending on twitter after this. This press conference in some ways was spectacle. He did finally open himself up to a room of reporters. He didnt just invite in one single interviewer or a couple interviewers. He took questions from a bunch of people and he took them for a while. Which could explain where hes been for the past nine days. Preparing for this. Preparing for this moment, absolutely. I think he had a lot of people doing a lot of Media Training<\/a> with him to get him to say the right thing really there. I think what we saw was a commissioner who, as i said, contrite and taking a step back from his role as a sort of the sheriff of the nfl, and i think it hurts him a little bit, it hurts his image a little bit, but i think it was damage control that 23450eded to be done. Alex sherman at bloomberg, this is what he wrote right after the press conference. He wrote the media quants blood here. There is little respect for goodell among the vast majority of people in that room it seems. Is there too much coverage of the scandals . Not when you have 200 Million People<\/a> tuning in to the super bowl. He should be pend for this. And Domestic Violence<\/a> is a serious, serious issue that has not been treated seriously by the nfl. So theyve kind of had this kind of building up over the past few decades and thats what youre beginning to see. Lowry wrote the media has lost its collective mind on this topic. He called it hysteria. I dont think its hysteria. This is a serious issue. Nfl has had a series of these. The head trauma, the lockout made the league look bad. It was a Tipping Point<\/a> for the commissionership. We talked last week about the relationships between the big Television Networks<\/a> and the league. Billions of dollars go to the league for the Television Rights<\/a> to all of these games that were seeing all fall, and i have sensed some pretty aggressive coverage from these networks, from espn and many others. Do you share that sense, lz in i know youre a contributor to espn. Im putting you in a slightly tough position. Im guarding my job if i will. I will present this one question though. We have been really pointing our finger at the nfl asking if tmz got this video, how come you didnt get the video . The question also is fair to ask, how come the other networks didnt have access to that video as well. Espn or cbs or fox or nbc. Right. I think we are being very aggressive now. I think were being aggressive down one particular track but internally we need to look at ourselves and ask ourselves why didnt we have access to that video either . I think your point about everyone having a voice, i think the viewers got on twitter, on facebook and expressed their outrage in a way that television is an echo chamber of whats going on and responding to the readers and responding to the viewers. Youre saying maybe reporters are being so aggressive because they hear the audience screaming. I think thats exactly right, yeah. Theres also i dont know if you sense this as well, but i think in general were being more aggressive about behavior of athletes, owners behaving badly. We saw with donald sterling, you see a little with jim ersay. Were beginning to see a public and media thats more willing to go after the people providing this entertainment and not just letting them get a past. When we do stories on Sports Illustrated<\/a>, you have to be perfectly sure if youre putting a guy on the cover, you have to make sure you do your due diligence. You cannot all of these guys. Adrian peterson, we have put him on the cover of Sports Illustrated<\/a>. Hes a great guy. You immediate him and hes a good interview. Hes great with kids and all this stuff. You know, its the last thing you would expect for him to be in trouble like that. And, you know, i think everybody in the media now has just got to step back and say what is our role really . Which is why its so important to stop hero worshipping as sports writers. We stopped doing it with politicians after watergate. With our athletes we want to put them in the position of being great guys based on their onfield performance. We have to be critical about the women, too. We have hope solo why isnt hope solos case being talked about more . Its about gender difference and the sport they play. Hope solo and forgive me but soccer just is nots a relevant in this country as the nfl. Thats part of it. But its also the imagery. The ideal of a big, strong man hitting a defenseless woman does something to us that a woman hitting a woman does not do. But if Domestic Violence<\/a> is the issue, we need to be consistent with that. I think its a gender issue, but i think weve not paid enough i tension to a lot of social issues that are occurring in society and that are impinging on sports. And, you know, as i said earlier, i think this is a really interesting Tipping Point<\/a> for the media, not just for the nfl. Mark and lz, thank you fog being here. Thank you. Up next, a segment i think maybe Roger Goodell<\/a> could benefit from. Something he might want to hear about. Well talk to someone who know what is its like to go through the media wringer. Well talk about whether americans do or dont trust the media because of cases like that. Youll want to hear what he says right after this. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. Made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. Whats up for the next shift . Ah, nothing much. Just keeping the lights on. laugh nice. Doing the big things that move an economy. See you tomorrow, mac. See you tomorrow, sam. Just another day at norfolk southern. Where the reward was that what if tnew car smelledit card and the freedom of the open road . A card that gave you that im 16 and just got my first car feeling. Presenting the buypower card from capital one. Redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac with no limits. So every time you use it, youre not just shopping for goods. Youre shopping for something great. Learn more at buypowercard. Com ur day to unplug. With centurylink as your technology partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure, and dedicated support, free you to focus on what matters. Centurylink. Your link to whats next. Hi can i help you . Im looking for a phone plan. It has to be a great one, and i dont compromise. Ok, how about 10 gigs of data to share, unlimited talk and text, and you can choose from 2 to 10 lines. Wow, sounds like a great deal. So im getting exactly what i want, then . Appears so. Now, um, im not too sure what to do with my arms right now cause this is when i usually start throwing things. Oh, thats terrifying at ts bestever pricing. 210 lines, 10 gigs of truly shareable data, unlimited talk and text, starting at 130 a month. That. That. That. That. Do you trust what you hear on television and read online . According to gallup, overall levels of trust in mass media fell back to a record low this year after a slight uptick last year that seems to have been a fluke. But dont take my word for it. Take a look at the data. These are annual figures dating back to the 90s. You can see that gradual trend line down for 15 years to about 40 overall now. Of course, the polling question is about the monolithic capital m media. Youre more likely to trust your local paper or local tv station than the media as a whole. Here is what i thought was the most interesting part of the data that came out this week. Right now were in the sixth year of the obama administration. During the same time in the bush administration, in between his reelection and the 2006 midterms, 70 of democrats said they trusted mass media. 31 of republicans said the same thing. But now democratic trust is down to 54 . Thats as bad as it was at the tail end of the clinton administration. Why . Here is my best guess. News about president obama has been mostly bad these past two years and democrats may feel the news media is part of the problem hurting the president. Here is another sign of that. This is another really interesting gallup question about whether the media is too liberal or too conservative. Theres a big uptick in people say its too conservative. Look at the top line here. This is too liberal and you have seen that for the past about 15 years, that number pretty much hasnt changed, been between 44 and 48 of americans who say the media overall is too liberal, but the bottom line is people saying the media is too conservative. Thats what has ticked up quite a bit to 19 in the most recent study. The gap between too liberal and too conservative, take a look here, it almost perfectly mirrors the gap between the ratings for fox news and msnbc. Now, i could bring in two partisan commentators to argue about the media but id rather from someone who has been in the glare of the news media. Someone who is all too familiar with what happened when you go from darling to bad boy. And maybe back and forth. Thats former congressman anthony weiner. He joins me now. My pleasure. Youre now part of the media. Where do you come down on this issue of media bias . Is it too liberal, conservative, neither, both . I think the media is like a rorschach test for consume irers. They can find whatever voupt they want. They can go to fox for conservative. Maybe go to msnbc for liberal. Right here on cnn for the god as honest truth. The fact is its become the media and politics have almost become interwoven. If they think the thing isnt on the level, theyre likely to think it just as much about politicians as they are about the media. I now do this monthly column for Business Insider<\/a> and for the daily news and depending upon what viewpoint i take and this week i took a more conservative view of something, theyre like, oh, youre in the pocket of the conservatives. You automatic think i people are assuming the system isnt on the level and the media is getting dragged into that rightly or wrongly. Which issy t why the trust l gradually is declining. Its not just the media. Its true for all sorts of institutions. Institutions by and large are taking a hit. The financial institutions, the congress, a political agencies media. I think theres a moment where theres not a lot of confidence that things are legit. Thats why if you scour the internet even for five minutes you can see all kinds of Message Boards<\/a> that talk about just skepticism that things are legit and the media even just by virtue of the fact that theyre delivering the information that people are concerned about i think is in that morass. I say is it possible its both . Sometimes some articles or segments feel so conservative, others might feel too liberal on the shaame channel or newspaper. Theres something that happens. Very often the media attempts to do the split screen. Here is the liberal, here is the conservative, you fight it out. This allows a viewer to say because theres a line rberal oe screen, it lets the viewer say they have that bias or the other way around. I believe its dragging down the perception of the media. You said to me the cynicism industry is fighting back. Its biting back. Whats happening is theres so much cynicism. Youve got the jon stewarts of the world who lift up issues just far enough to whack them. Bill maher. Now the politicians are doing the same thing. They refer to the mainstream media, dont believe fox or msnbc. We are playing into the notion of cynicism. Something else is happening. Theres so much money in politics to put nice sheen on politicians. The media maybe legitimately feels its their job to tear it off. What do you have . You have basically theyre in the business of trying to show things are not as good as they should be. That might be their job but the problem is its generally in this ethos now that i think a lot of people have when they talk to me about being in the media. Theyre like i trust you even less than i did when you were in congress which wasnt a lot. Really . But isnt there a sheen that needs to be torn off . Isnt there a dirty reality we need to see beneath the surface . I guess but it really is, and this is a critique i have of your business and now its kind of mine, is that that cant be the sum and substance of what reporter thinks their job is. They ran a glitzy tv commercial, we have to show theyre not all that. You never again get in get in the true conversation citizens want. If its only about this guy wants you to be this great guy, he doesnt even live in the state. You never youre not going to hear any debate about Foreign Policy<\/a> in the kansas elections. Thats an interesting point about the substance. Do you look back on your time in congress and then your attempt to run for mayor and blame the media for them exposing your personal life . The socalled sexting scandals . I put myself i created the thing that brought me down and look at the arc of my career. I poked a finger at a lot of people in the media and poked a finger at the fox news types and so do you think they were poking back for that reason . Listen, when you create a circumstance that i did, when you have the behavior that i did, when your name is weiner or when youre running for office, i dont have any complaints about that. I, you know, created this situation. No one is to blame for that. My situation can come around in the 40s, 50s, with the exception of the internet, the media did what they are supposed to do. Anytime i speak to a Journalism School<\/a> a class of students, i say we as young journalists can win people back. Get them to trust the media back. Maybe im being too optimistic. If youre a movie star and you jump up and down on a couch and act crazy but if you make a great movie the next time, people say he made a great movie. A reporter does have the ability to go out and write that next story that maybe cleans up the mess a little bit. I cant just say ill go back to congress and well sort this out again. All i can do is hope that people look at the 25 some odd years i served in congress and recognize i made some terrible personal mistakes and i paid a high price but if you wake up every morning and say i have to redeem myself its a tough way to get through your day. What do you think reporters should do to win back consumers . Were talking about trying to get the audience to trust more. That ultimately is a really important thing on the business level in order to gain more subscribers, gain more people to look at our advertising. From my experience as a consumer, i think a lot of assumptions people in media make about what consumers of news want turned out to be wrong. We see this experiment going on on hb o with john olver doing 25 machine minute long funny segments about weighty subjects. And its a hit. This notion you can only have short segments, only use small words, you cant really do a lo politics in india, hes proving that wrong. If you aim higher, viewers and listeners might follow you. Its a hard argument to make. The two words you used, aim higher. Anthony weiner, thanks for being here. I love the new york set. Its great. Thank you r thank y. Isis taking a page out of hollywood with a terror movie trailer. Well dissect it in a segment everybody should see right after this. 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Combat troops will not be returning to fight in iraq. So that was the teaser and on friday the same day movie studios release new films, isis released the 55 minute video it calls the flames of war. It ends with who appears to be the excuecutions of several men. Let me bring in marshall curry. You may have seen some of his work, street fight, racing dreams, and most recently if a tree fall. His next documentary is point and shoot about an american who fought with the rebels in syria. Thanks for having me. Youre the professional. When you see that trailer, these movies, what do you make of them . How professionally produced are they . They are. Its worth mentioning in the front theres something a little uncomfortable about talking about production values when were thinking about a group thats caused such suffering to people but that said its important to under the tools theyre using. And to see it as propaganda and ask how they produce it. Theyre using highdef foot ge, a lot of tropes and styles you see in hollywood movies, slow motion, explosions going backwards. A lot of it feels like it could be part of the trailer of the matrix. It looks like a michael bay movie and that must be intentional. Clearly it is. Its not michael bay. They can do this with 1,000 camera and a laptop. Thats what i was wondering. How cheaply can this be done . A good slr video camera could shoot basically everything i saw there and with a laptop and, you know, Editing Software<\/a> and some effects software its not rocket science. Theyre not pixar. Weve moved out of the age where you need these fancy Video Editing<\/a> suites and these hundred thousand dollar cameras. Which is great for independent filmmakers but it puts tools in the hands of a lot of folks. Unfortunately it puts tools in the hands of folks like them. Are there techniques that you notice that you think theyre using for example to instill fear in people . Its sometimes theyll slow down pictures or theyll darken the image. Particular reasons . I think some of these videos of about frightening people. You know, having video or these atrocious things. Thats about instilling fear. A trailer like this one i think is more about touching the excitement in a possible young recruit that they could be part of an action movie themselves and to say look at what were doing. Isnt this thrilling and exciting . You, too, could be part of that. When youre working on your upcoming film, you noticed in libya, a lot of the footage in your film was shot by the main character, and in his footage we can see the libyan rebels taking photos of themselves. Its amazing. The character is a guy from baltimore who goes over to libya and joins the rebels, has a camera with him. In some of the footage i started looking through, there are these shots of libyan rebels with machine guns spraying bullets and then you see there are four other rebels with cell phone cameras filming the guy shooting the bullets. You realize this is a very Different Group<\/a> from isis. These are the guys that were fighting ka gadhafi. They were not necessarily doing it for recruiting reasons but they wanted to feel they were part of an action movie. I think isis is playing on this kind of primal desire among a lot of young men to be action movie stars. At the end of the trailer you see the words coming soon. I wanted to bring up a quote i read from the toronto film festival. Michael moore was speaking to younger filmmakers and he said dont make a documentary. Make a movie. And i wonder if thats something we are seeing in this grotesque form as well. Dont try to educate or lecture, try to entertain. Yeah. I mean, its funny when he said that it caused a big kerfuffle in the documentary world. I think his main point is documentaries shouldnt be finger wagging lectures. If you do that, nobody will listen. What hes tried to do is use humor and drama. An frontation. Those are the ways you get audience. With isis its fake explosions that cover up the screen and things like that. Right. They are really tapping into a lot of hollywood tropes and i think hoping to inspire a crop of new recruits that want to imagine themselves in hollywood movies. Maybe the point is as we see these films and the youtube videos, as we see cable news repeat them sometimes, we have to resist their effort which is to instill fear which is to provoke action braps. I think thats right, and im sure you feel mixed about even running a trailer because on one hand, we want to inform people about what these guys are doing. On the other hand, you dont necessarily want to give them a platform for it. Thats going to be our next conversation. Marshall, thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. I think what youre bringing up is crucially important. I want to take a break and afterwards talk about how isis makes its own media and talk about the discussions we have here at cnn about when to air and when not to air propaganda videos. Well have that right after this. Hi can i help you . Im looking for a phone plan. It has to be a great one, and i dont compromise. Ok, how about 10 gigs of data to share, unlimited talk and text, and you can choose from 2 to 10 lines. Wow, sounds like a great deal. So im getting exactly what i want, then . Appears so. Now, um, im not too sure what to do with my arms right now cause this is when i usually start throwing things. Oh, thats terrifying at ts bestever pricing. 210 lines, 10 gigs of truly shareable data, unlimited talk and text, starting at 130 a month. In the country. We operate just like a city, and that takes a lot of energy. 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He says it will present the truth about the extremist group. Cnn decided to show just this one still photo from the video. The video was uploaded thursday, the same day cnn was holding one of its occasional tough choices sessions. They are conversations internally organized by the head of standards and practices. Theyre all about theethcle dilemmas we face and this time it was about isis videos, to air or not to air. There were lots of disagreements. Its worth underscoring. These are truly tough choices. One executive to spoke about the session was tony maddox who runs our Cnn International<\/a> channel and all international news. The first question is about that video on thursday. Cnn decided not to show what the hostage said. Why is that . Because he was clearly making the video under duress. In his appearance he seemed relatively relaxed and straightforward. This man knows the chances of him dying on camera being beheaded are very high, and he has to say what will please the people who are operating the camera and who are making the video. What were see something a form of torture really in which this man is really trying to perform to save his life and why would we showcase that . He didnt say anything we havent heard 1,000 times before. We know he wasnt speaking of his own free will. We know isis wanted us to show it and if were in a situation that isis wants us to show anything, we should think about any way we can avoid doing that. For me the editorial returns were not worth the ethical compromises involved in showing that film and thats why cnn took the decision not to show it. How does this differ from the earlier videos isis released particularly of the americans and of the the two american journalists and the british aid worker executed on camera . The executions were not televised by cnn but there were some images and in some cases short video clips of those video that is were shown. Yeah. I think its a really interesting point, brian. My position continues to evolve. My feeling was with the james foley video we hadnt seen one of these in a long, long time and this was a shocking development. When we saw a second one, we thought this is a pattern thats forming. The third one, that was with the brits. What impact would that have with the brits. Each of those videos in its own way became a part of the narrative of what response were going to do to isis. So the audience had to have some sense of what this was being based on. Those videos did drive the debate. We couldnt really be talking about videos doing that without showing them but it doesnt many you have to keep showing them. People know what these consist of and i think we can afford to be increasingly judicious about what it is we want to show. For me the cantly video absolutely shouldnt have been shown. The flames of war i was less bothered by other than it was turning it into an action video. Cnn decided not to show the movie part of it. What i think is interesting about the first part, the trailer, was that this clearly isnt ideological. This is about action movie. Its trying to get people to recruit, to sign up, to be part of this group. And its all to build into their aura of terror. Isis is a profoundly wicked organization. It doesnt just kill people. It humiliates them, parades them, tortures them, and then robs them of every ounce of dignity and publicizes that in the widest possible way. You have to be prepared to recalibrate what youre prepared to show and what youre not prepared to show on an hourly basis, on a casebycase basis when dealing with an organization like that. There are countries that do engage in beheadings. There are other terror groups that engage in this kind of wicked behavior as you said. Do you think that these kinds of decisions were making about this particular video should apply to those others as well . I think they do. Its a very big thing for us to show a beheading or someone being killed on camera. As one of the policies we have at cnn, we try to avoid that wherever possible. There are exceptional circumstances where we will show a shooting in the distance or we did a piece recently with Nic Robertson<\/a> which was summarizing the excesses of isis. I think that was important because we properly contextu contextualized the piece. We teed up to the audience who it consisted of. People needed to get a sense of the breadth of things they had been involved in. If you do it like that, you showcase it like that and you present it like that, then i think theres a legitimacy to it. Otherwise i think we cant just get into this because its arresting video. And we know its arresting video. Were in the tv business. We know that certain images will catch the eye. We know certain images will get lots of people to click online. Theres always a temptation for people who are in the business of trying to get people to follow their stories to use the best images available. But with that goes a certain responsibility. Now, if you remember our conversation, one of the issues is if we dont run it, what if other people run it . Thats a perfectly fair point. But cnn is a big deal. Certainly a big deal in the middle east. Im responsible for cnn outside of the u. S. We are in hundreds of millions of tv sets around the world and if cnn doesnt run something, that matters, and it counts for something particularly if we explain were not running it. Thank you for being here. These are case by case situations but unfortunately there have been a lot of cases here lately. When does sarah palin deserve a break from the media . Red news blue news, next. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. 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You can probably guess who im talking about, sarah palin. Doesnt sarah palin deserve the benefit of the doubt . A couple weeks ago there was apparently some palin family drama up in wasilla, alaska. I say apparently because some of the details are in dispute. Here is how the New York Daily News<\/a> put it in a huge headline. Sarah palins family involved in drunken fight at Snowmobile Party<\/a> reports. Notice that last word reports. Reports. They were relying on their own source. And amanda coyne focuses on alaskan news, but so much of the brawl relies on the story, and cnn interviewed coyne about it, and so from one single story, hundreds were born. And Joe Scarborough<\/a> started to read one of the newspaper articles aloud on his show. Do you believe it . No, i dont. This story about the palin and the kids have a brawl no, no. And a drunk fracas. Yes, and the backwoods brawling began when the clan rolled up in a soiree limo. And then a blogger said sarah palin yelled, dont you know who i am . And the party goer replied, this is not some damned hillbilly reality show. I get it, a vp candidate gone wild is irresistible to some reporters, but it felt like a feeding phrfrenzy, and the insi gave it a logo and cnn did get on it as well, but thankfully, cnn did try to get the palin side of the story. The palin family has not responded to the story despite several at attempts to reach out to them. Sarah palin reached out on her facebook page, but made no mention of the party. So a week has gone by since that e reare port and still the family did not comment. And it seems that one person did witness the altercation and then he was fired after talking to the media about it. I think that some media types were too quick to jump to conclusions about this. You will be shocked, shocked that they never mentioned the party at all. You have to wonder if they shyed away from it, because they w wondered if the Famous Family<\/a> feud was not news worthy. I have one final word on this from Bristol Palins<\/a> blog. I just read on yahoo s front page about my family. According to some reports, my parents are are getting divorced. I find out something new about my family every day and of course, the article and most of what the media reports about our family is complete garbage. When the rumors were revived this week, the family did not respond either. But you have to wonder what it looks like your fam la draw family drama splashed across yahoo . Well, that is it for red news blue news. Where the reward was that what if tnew car smelledit card and the freedom of the open road . A card that gave you that im 16 and just got my first car feeling. Presenting the buypower card from capital one. Redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac with no limits. 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The white house has stepped up the security at the white house after a security breach. The secret service says that a man who was through the portico doors did have a knife. And he had tried to gain entrance before on foot, but the first family was not at home in the incidents and both men are facing charges, and the white house has beefed up security around the white house. And eric frein is still wanted in the dense woods of the poconos mountains, but officials have lifted a lockdown on local residents as they search for him. And now, there is a rally demanding carbon remissions worldwide and celebrities such as brad pit and leo dicaprio are among the celebrities that are at the ending the rallies. Climate experts says this summer has been the hottest ever recorded on earth. Im erin mcpike. State of the union with Candy Crowley<\/a> starts right now. A british familys personal appeal for the life of a loved one in the hands of isis, and president obamas global appeal for a united war against this latest terrorist threat. Today former british Prime Minister<\/a> tony blair on britain and the u. S. , old friends on the brutal end of the isis campaign. This isnt america versus isil. This is the world versus isil. Plus the nfl commissioner holds a Mea Culpa Press<\/a> conference. I will get it right and do whatever is necessary to accomplish that. But is it just the players or should we blame the game . Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe<\/a> and former hall of famer receiver izell reece and u. S. Sports columnist Christine Brennan<\/a> join us. And the 44th president of the United States<\/a> of america, barack obama. A kiss and a diss. The Nasty Campaign<\/a> against the chair of the democratic party, our political roundtable is ready to roll. This is state of the union. 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