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the cast of "dallas." >> we're the best of friends and have been for 30 years. >> linda gray and patrick duffy from the immortal "dallas." the moment you thought you'd never see. plus, only in america. the 14-year-old playing with the pros at the u.s. open. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. two big stories tonight. an extraordinary day in the sandusky trial. we begin with my exclusive conversation with casey anthony. i spoke to her and her attorney just a little while ago. she's been in hiding ever since she was found not guilty in the death of her daughter caylee. what she told me was about her life now. and she says she was wrong by not being honest with officials. cheney mason. a member of the defense team. he joins me now exclusively. it was an extraordinary moment. we were in my office. you put your client on the phone. you put it on loud speaker. it was your phone. we had a sort of ten-minute conversation. a random conversation in many ways. it gave me an insight into i guess her state of mind. how she's feeling about her life now. before we get to that, how would you categorize where she is now? >> well, she's in a different prison in reality. she's not in 24 hour a day lockdown like she was for three years in norris county jail. but she's in a home where she can't go outside. she fears and we fear for her to go outside at all. she can't be seen. so she spends the day in the house and she cook, cleans, and reads books and exercises and watches some programs on tv. and movies particularly. that's what she does. >> some of the things that she said were fascinating. i asked her about her public perception. which by common consent is not good. she says it's bad, it's absolutely horrible. she seemed very aware of the fact that she has a reputation as one of the most hated people in america. how does she deal with that, do you think? >> well, she's -- accepts reality. she can't do anything about that because we can't have her be in public to answer things. she knows that the hate mongers are out there in legions. those people who don't believe in the jury system. and just reject the verdict out of hand. or believe evidence that was never there. there's nothing she can do about that at this time. so she has to accept people hate her. that's because they don't know her. i can tell you there's an awful lot of people that like her and respect her for what she did. having the courage to go to trial. and she gets a lot of favorable mail too. >> i said to her, what are the biggest misconceptions? obviously, i didn't kill my daughter. she said that very firmly. if anything, there's nothing in this world i've ever been more proud of and there's no one i loved more than my daughter. she's my greatest accomplishment. clearly, a lot of people in america believe she killed her daughter. but i was struck by -- that was what she wanted to get over straight away loud and clear. i didn't kill my girl. >> she said that to you without any prompting, without any rehearsal. without any lawyering whatsoever. she just told you that. that's an interesting -- the way you said that. i want to read part of one of the favorable letters i brought. the parts that she's gotten. one of these people -- of course anonymously had a very perceptive statement in here. at no time did any of the horrible news media ever choose to portray casey as a good mother. and i never saw one photo, one video, that did not show a very loving and caring mother. a small child is so open that there would have been clues in her express or interaction with her mom if she had been mistreated in anyway. this is from one of the unsolicited letters. we had thousands of them. i mean, she was very strong i felt about her media perception. she was very cynical actually about what she called in her view the no different type of scrutiny from magazines like "the national enquirer" to what she said was supposed to be credible media organizations like the "new york times," the boston herald she cited. all just running with rumors about her which she said were simply not true. i thought was interesting. i have never been a quote/unquote party girl she said. i don't drink now. i probably had a handful of beer since i've been on probation. i've never done drugs apart from a little bit of marijuana in my early 20s. she said this with quite an emphatic tone to her voice. as if to say i'm a bit fed up with this stuff being peddled around. like i was a wild out of control young woman. >> when the case began,thrusts of the prosecution in attempting to build prejudice in my opinion was to paint her as some sort of -- type person. this is a young generation. she's 22 years old. kids these days go out to start their evenings when i've long been asleep. and that doesn't mean they're out doing anything different than any other 20-year-old or 22-year-old or 23-year-old kid in the country. that's what the modern youth does. we didn't used to do that. but the opportunities weren't there so -- >> i mean, there's persistent rumor she's trying to sell her story. is that true? >> no. simply is not. nothing's being sold. nothing's being marketed. from her. i'm the one that's responsible for doing those things for her, with her. we're sit back watching. we're watching what other people have done, are doing, what's coming out. when the time comes, she will have her story to tell. >> on this very supple, said i'm not making millions of dollars at the hands of other people. i don't give an expletive about money. i may have in the past. other reasons before any of this stuff started because i was a stupid kid. i'm 26 now. i've gone through hell. and even i know the situation isn't what it should have been when my life totally changed almost a year ago but i'm dealing with it. >> well -- >> in a way, i thought she's a different person now in her eyes to the one she was before. >> well, keep in mind, she spent three years being vilified 24 hours a day by all of the news media in the country or in the world you tell me. being accused and assaulted and degraded by some of the other talk show-type people that don't deserve to be mentioned. and that's all there was. keep in mind, at the same time, casey was in lockdown. 23 out of 24 hours a day. seven days a week for three years. the only time that she got out is when we visited with her or other team members or experts met with her. and then trial. she had to endure all that. that whole process for all that time. >> there will be people watching this. you have a fixed view about your client. who will say "i'm not buying any of this stuff." "and i don't want you, you know, soft soaping it." she probably killed her child, they'll think. even if she didn't, she was found guilty of lying. again, it was interesting talking to her. she didn't try and hide from this. on the subject of the lying, she said, well, i said to her where are you self-critical i said to her. she said, by not being honest. i didn't trust law enforcement. because of my relationship with my father who was ex-law enforcement himself. people can think they are critical of me and the 31 days of my lying to law enforcement and not being forthcoming. but they don't understand the reason why. and then she went on to say something very interesting. i've looked back at some of the interviews that she did. in the way i've come across. it's horrible. it looks absolutely horrible. and i'm ashamed in many ways of the person that i was. because even then that wasn't who i am. strong stuff. >> strong person. casey had a bad background. a lot of problems in her history that don't need to be talked about now. indeed, she didn't trust anybody. and of course when she -- questioned as intensely as she was without benefit of her constitutional rights, warnings, lawyers, whatever. casey world was made things up. casey world denied things. she just closed in. she had a very difficult time. she is now trying to emerge from that. she learned at the same time a lot of the world did how she grieved differently after her child disappeared. we had an expert explain that. interestingly in the courtroom, piers, when that was done, it was the first time she really seemed to have an understanding what had transpired. why she was there. >> i thought it was interesting when she said to me i wouldn't even have been able to begin to tell you the person i was outside of being a mum. i was 22, i was scared and confused with life in general not having a direction. you get a picture of a young woman -- like she said, lacking direction. with family issues. let me ask you difficult question. you represent her legally. you spent so much time with her that in many ways you've become a surrogate family to her. she has no relationship with her parents now. people will be watching this thinking fine, if she didn't kill her girl, who did. have you formed any kind of opinion about that? >> well, i don't think anybody killed her. that term implied an intentional act. the child obviously died. we presented that evidence in trial, theory of the defense. we believe it. we're staying by it. there's no reason to change that. there's going to be people who deny it and will not accept it. there are still people out there who totally and mistakenly believe that somehow chloroform had something to do with this case. we proved in trial that it did not. that was a fabrication from the prosecution. there's no such evidence of color form having anything to do with this child's death period. >> just hold that thought for an moment. i want to come back after the break and talk more about my extraordinary conversation with casey and thoerns get your reaction. ♪ ♪ why do you whisper, green grass? ♪ [ all ] shh! ♪ why tell the trees what ain't so? ♪ [ male announcer ] dow solutions use vibration reduction technology to help reduce track noise so trains move quieter through urban areas all over the world. together, the elements of science and the human element can solve anything. 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>> well, i don't know. i'm an older lawyer. i was one who vigorously opposed the whole project of having cameras in a courtroom. i have tried a dozen or more trials of cameras in the courtroom. what i do know is everybody in a courtroom acts differently. what they try to deny or say. i watched it, i've been there. >> they perform -- >> judges, clerks, deputies. witnesses, lawyers, jurors. they all -- you can watch them. jurors even in some cases. when clearly they're not going to be shown, their faces -- the cameras can't show them, they still will do -- will dress up with their -- as we used to say, their sunday best to come to court. >> you're a very experienced lawyer who's been in this game a long, long time. you're used to clients presumably over the years lying to you. we know from casey anthony by her own admission she lied for a long time to law enforcement officers. could she be pulling the wool over your eyes? >> well, i guess anything is possible. but i've been defending cases a long time. first time i defended murder cases, 1973. i've tried well in excess of 300 jury trials. i'm older. i have experiences in the world. military experience and lawyer experience. world experience. anything is possible. if so, she's probably the best there is. i do not believe for a moment she has or even attempted to pull the wool over my eyes or anybody else's on the team. we all believe very strongly and committed to her. >> she said to me i'm trying to adjust the best i possibly can. given everything that is thrown at me every day. i have good days and bad days. i'm trying to take the best out of everything. what is the reality of casey anthony's daily life? what will she be doing tomorrow for example? >> well, she will read books. she'll watch movies. she told me -- the other day, goes, a couple of notes of what she likes to watch. she of course doesn't watch the news. she told you she'll watch this if it's -- she doesn't watch the news. she doesn't watch these so-called reality shows that are about as real as wrestling. she is reading now this trilogy of books called "hunger games" which i'm not familiar with. she's read grisham books she likes. she particularly likes books dealing with international travel. >> "hunger games" is about -- kids killing each other. >> yeah, yeah. >> weird subject matter. >> apparently has taken on like harry potter stuff i guess. she's very interested in photography. her -- she works out a lot. her favorite shows, "i love lucy." "the three stooges." old movies. particularly ones in black and white. travel. those types of things that she some day would like to be able to do. and she will be able to do. >> you think she'd like to be a mother again? >> probably would. it would take a long time for her to be accepted in a new world, a new life. to take that risk i think. she certainly was very committed to it and loved her daughter. there's tens of thousands of photographs. that child was a photographed child in that family. all of them with casey in a very loving relationship and playing and so forth. >> on two points of detail, she said to me, i do not weigh 500 pounds as one magazine has stated. and i'm not moving to costa rica. >> yeah, you know, we get called and hear about these rumors all the time. and i can assure you that she doesn't weigh 500 pounds. it's doubtful that she weighs 120 pounds. costa rica. i don't know where that comes from. i don't know where any of this stuff comes from. you know, there are people who will say and make up anything and others that will hear it and will choose to believe it and run with it and fabricate more and make up more stuff and it never ends. >> it was a fascinating experience to talk to her. in many ways an iconic figure in this country for the wrong reasons. it was certainly interesting to get her take on where she is and on some of the issues about her. i appreciate you guys coming in. thank you very much indeed. >> thank you. >> coming up, our other big story. courtroom drama. the teenager known as victim number one tells his emotional story. one of the best things about state farm is our accessibility. oh, yeah? 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he's given evidence before obviously. discrepancies today. now he's saying three. ed his testimony's very important. he's not one of the victims. he's a specific eyewitness who had a responsibility there. is it significant his story is slightly changing? >> it would be if he were the sole witness or if he were the victim. that would be very important. when you have three distinct categories of witnesses, each of whom have slight discrepancies. all of whom explain the discrepancies. it's just human. >> they're also trying to pick holes in victim's one story. he was of course 14 years old at the time this happened. in your experience in this field, it can't be uncommon that a 14-year-old boy would perhaps have memory issues with this kind of thing, could it? >> absolutely not. it's totally common. especially when the abuse went on for a period of time and there were many, many acts. it's very hard to get somebody to pinpoint. was it exactly ten, was it 12, was it 20? which was part of the cross today. also, we're talking about something that happened years ago. whether it's mcqueary testifying at something he saw 11 years ago or these boys about something that happened years ago. the central fact of what they are saying happened to them or they saw, i think that comes through loud and clear. >> the only way to defeat that on cross is if he could demonstrate that these kids got together, compared their stories, that their lawyer helped them with the story. that can have significance. >> we're seeing two names being mentioned a few times. doty, jerry sandusky's wife, and of course joe paterno, who sadly is no longer with us. two, i guess, could be key people to this. one, the wife of the man accused. secondly, the guy who was accused of effectively covering it up. what is their importance in this now? >> i think doty's importance is clear. if she knew what went on in some ways you could say she's as much of a monster as her husband was for enabling this to go on. it's been my experience that people in that situation don't know exactly what went on and psychologically don't want to see what -- >> they're in denial. >> yes, they're in total denial of what happened. so we don't know which it is with doty. >> relationship to joe paterno? >> it's a tragedy because it shows what happens when you have an icon and football becomes too important at a university. he just didn't want to destroy his legacy by admitting that he had somebody who was right under him who was doing these terrible, terrible things. it's understandable, utterly unjustifiable. i think in the end -- >> is it understandable though? you see, it's the one aspect of this i've never found understandable. i think joe paterno, for all his greatness as a sports coach, he let these boys down badly by just turn ago blindpaterno's generation. we grew up with one rule. thou shall not snitch on a friend. it's a terrible rule. i understand paterno's unwillingness to turn in a friend. i can understand it. >> i get the impression from everything i read they were not friends. that whether it was cause things he learned about from the '98 investigation or what mcqueary told him that he really was not comfortable with him on a personal level. that it was the brand of penn state football. and that he didn't want to be the person to ruin that brand. he passed it up the line and then just "it's not my responsible anymore." because he was joe paterno, because he was god at penn state, had he done more than that. >> also about the police chief, the head of security at the university. you think it's his job to report it directly to the police. >> it was a complete failure right across the whole system and these boys are the victims. for now, alan, lisa, thank you very much. coming up, "dallas." larry hagman, linda gray, patrick duffy, they're all here. 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[ female announcer ] get the travelocity guarantee any way you book, including our new app. you'll never roam alone. sex, greed and back stabbing intrigue. that's just cnn. that got your attention, didn't it? these were the main ingredients of one of america's most popular tv soap operas ever. never mind america. it was the most popular television show in my home country, britain, from 1978 to 1991. it was of course "dallas." airing on cbs. now it's coing back on our sister network tnt with a new generation of dreaming and scheming. joined by many of the original stars. i'm ecstatic to welcome three of my personal television heroes to my humble set. linda gray, larry hagman and patrick duffy. i was 13 years old when you came on british tv prepubescent mere man. you remember how big it was. >> oh, it was -- >> it became the biggest show. only the royal wedding, diana and charles, ever beat it in the ratings. it was compel. gruesome. fascinating. >> you mean "dallas," not the royal wedding? >> they were both soap operas in their own way. everybody in britain watched it. everybody wanted to go to dallas and lead this incredible life. so welcome to all three of you. >> thank you. >> j.r., sue ellen, bobby. >> wow. >> as you'll always be to me. >> this may be the best intro we have ever gotten. >> it will be. it's heartfelt. >> since 1978. >> how do you all feel -- you're pleased or you wouldn't be doing it. now you've actually gone some filming. and you've gone back in time, if you like. was it all you hoped it would be when you signed up for this? >> more. >> why? >> we had this realization we would never work together again. we're the best of friends. >> 35 years. >> 35 years. the closest of friends. i have no closer friends than these people. we knew we would never work together again. whenever we would step on screen in any forum, people would say, look, there's j.r., sue ellen and bobby. and then this gift was presented to us. >> how amazing that you've stayed so close. unusual. >> it is, for any business, any industry. to have friends you worked with. to still be friends 35 years later. >> it's inexplicable because we were this close day one of the show. >> because it's -- you're both very nice people. mr. evil here, the dark dealer of evil scheming. >> what? >> i mean, you look so nice and normal today. >> sweet person -- >> you were the great role model for all older brothers like me. i tormented my two younger brothers for years after you showed me the way. i want to thank you. they don't want to thank you. he joined the army and got it out of his system. you're obviously nothing like j.r. in real life. you couldn't really bring back "dallas" without j.r. we all agree on this. were you remotely concerned, given you were the top dog, if you like, he might damage the brand? how long did you think about it? >> about -- till they told me how much i was going to make. >> how much was it? >> i don't remember. doesn't matter now. i spent it already. >> it's a serious question. a lot of anything can often be crashing disappointments. all the buzz around this is it's terrific. i think the blending of the great characters that we know with the hot young blood that comes through is so clever and gives it a real chance of success second time around. "dallas" was such a wonderful phenomenon of its time. i would understand serious concern, particularly for you, as a kind of leader of the pack. how much did the friendship come into it? >> well, i wouldn't be doing it without them. we wouldn't be doing it. no. i mean, somebody approached me. would you like to do the show? and i said, my friend's going to be on the show? they said, sure. i said, let's see a script. we all talked about the script. we liked it very much. >> yep. >> we said yeah. it was like that. only took about ten years to get going. >> i think people forget that we're dear friends and we do talk. and so it isn't about, you know, one getting something and the other one not getting it or whatever. we talk all the time about all the details. >> larry, you look great. you've not been very well -- everything okay, back to normal? >> so far, yeah. >> i like the fact you brought this in. is this a genuine j.r. -- you see, immediately, that laugh. the stetson, the laugh, the evi chuckle. was that your chuckle? >> in germany, it's not my chuckle. they always say give us that laugh. i always say that's not me. that's my interpreter. >> you should hear him in japanese. >> japanese is great. >> little montage of the great old days. for anyone watching it who doesn't understand why i'm so excited today -- >> we want to see it. >> i have finally figured everything out, that's all. you've been trying to frame me. >> good morning. >> tell me, j.r., which slut are you going to stay with tonight? >> what difference does it make? whoever it is has got to be more interesting than the slut i'm looking at right now. >> oh. >> did you really say that? >> he said that. >> i didn't know you could say that on tv anymore. wow, you pushed the envelope. you said you weren't evil. >> you think that's evil? >> no wonder i drank. no wonder i would drink. >> did you like being, for what you were, the most evil man on television? >> well, you know, i don't think i was an evil man. i was just like a texas business man, that's all. >> yeah, evil. >> they keep bringing that -- >> i'm just doing what people do for business. >> you can't start distancing yourself from being evil. j.r. was wonderfully evil. constantly plotting. even against his own family. evil, isn't it? >> especially against his own family. >> did you like the reputation? >> of course i do, yes. it's wonderful. >> how do people react even now? >> they -- the question they say is who shot j.r. >> you ever tell them? >> yes, yeah. >> what did you say? >> bing crosby's daughter. >> shot peter pan's son. >> who shot j.r. because of course there were only about 3,000 suspects. >> oh, yeah. >> the beauty of the plot line. it could have been literally anybody. when you guys are filming in dallas, presuming you live there for the duration, when you walk around, it's like the royal family, isn't it? >> everywhere. >> they must go crazy. >> london, berylen. >> where are you most popular outside america? >> i think in the uk. >> also germany. my gosh, we're still playing in germany. >> really? >> every night, yeah. >> you and david hasselhoff really. >> yeah, he's doing very well. >> mr. germany. >> let's take another break. i want to bring out the new generation of ewings. i want to find -- >> really? 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>> i actually was completely excited about what i considered to be a fun challenge. i knew there was a lot of expectation on this series in general coming back, but who is also j.r.'s spawn, who has he turned into? >> john ross was a little baby. >> wide-eyed kid who looked up to his dad. >> we worried about him. >> here i am. >> so you play the ewing's cook's daughter. >> i am not a ewing. >> knowing the way the interbreeding goes, it's only a matter of time. >> i'm involved with both ewings, so i'm a lucky girl. >> you're having a simultaneous fling with these two. >> i'm in love with both of them. >> how have you found it coming into this iconic show? >> it's been wonderful. i was a fan of "dallas." >> you must have been about five. >> i was very young. >> how old are you. >> i was born in 1980. >> so you were born after the start. i can just about buy you being a fan. but the reality is you're the fresh blood here, aren't you, replacing, and yet with, legends. >> we're not replacing which is why it's not terrifying. we're joining which is what's so wonderful. they've been awesome and welcoming. >> have they about divas. >> so generous to work with. >> from you, to "desperate house wives" to "dallas." >> i think this show has the potential to be huge. >> it's been brilliantly done. i have to say. the fusion between the two, which could have been fraught with danger actually looks completely seamless. mainly because you three haven't aged. it is ridiculous. you don't look a day older. >> i am. >> i know you are. >> and wiser. >> you're many days older, but this is one of the reasons it must work. it looks like we're just carrying on where we left off. >> i think it was all set up with that pilot episode. the script was amazing, it was a seamless transition. as far as chemistry is concerned, these three set the tone. we like to call them the big three, their friendship and enthusiasm, it's contagious. >> it made us comfortable coming in, which i think really helped the story lines feel real and believable. it was they really welcomed us with open arms. >> let's get a realty check here. how have they been getting on. >> they're going to drag us into another 13 years. >> could you imagine even at 94 i wouldn't trust you. you know what i mean? 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the cast of "dallas." >> we're the best of friends and have been for 30 years. >> linda gray and patrick duffy from the immortal "dallas." the moment you thought you'd never see. plus, only in america. the 14-year-old playing with the pros at the u.s. open. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. two big stories tonight. an extraordinary day in the sandusky trial. we begin with my exclusive conversation with casey anthony. i spoke to her and her attorney just a little while ago. she's been in hiding ever since she was found not guilty in the death of her daughter caylee. what she told me was about her life now. and she says she was wrong by not being honest with officials. cheney mason. a member of the defense team. he joins me now exclusively. it was an extraordinary moment. we were in my office. you put your client on the phone. you put it on loud speaker. it was your phone. we had a sort of ten-minute conversation. a random conversation in many ways. it gave me an insight into i guess her state of mind. how she's feeling about her life now. before we get to that, how would you categorize where she is now? >> well, she's in a different prison in reality. she's not in 24 hour a day lockdown like she was for three years in norris county jail. but she's in a home where she can't go outside. she fears and we fear for her to go outside at all. she can't be seen. so she spends the day in the house and she cook, cleans, and reads books and exercises and watches some programs on tv. and movies particularly. that's what she does. >> some of the things that she said were fascinating. i asked her about her public perception. which by common consent is not good. she says it's bad, it's absolutely horrible. she seemed very aware of the fact that she has a reputation as one of the most hated people in america. how does she deal with that, do you think? >> well, she's -- accepts reality. she can't do anything about that because we can't have her be in public to answer things. she knows that the hate mongers are out there in legions. those people who don't believe in the jury system. and just reject the verdict out of hand. or believe evidence that was never there. there's nothing she can do about that at this time. so she has to accept people hate her. that's because they don't know her. i can tell you there's an awful lot of people that like her and respect her for what she did. having the courage to go to trial. and she gets a lot of favorable mail too. >> i said to her, what are the biggest misconceptions? obviously, i didn't kill my daughter. she said that very firmly. if anything, there's nothing in this world i've ever been more proud of and there's no one i loved more than my daughter. she's my greatest accomplishment. clearly, a lot of people in america believe she killed her daughter. but i was struck by -- that was what she wanted to get over straight away loud and clear. i didn't kill my girl. >> she said that to you without any prompting, without any rehearsal. without any lawyering whatsoever. she just told you that. that's an interesting -- the way you said that. i want to read part of one of the favorable letters i brought. the parts that she's gotten. one of these people -- of course anonymously had a very perceptive statement in here. at no time did any of the horrible news media ever choose to portray casey as a good mother. and i never saw one photo, one video, that did not show a very loving and caring mother. a small child is so open that there would have been clues in her express or interaction with her mom if she had been mistreated in anyway. this is from one of the unsolicited letters. we had thousands of them. i mean, she was very strong i felt about her media perception. she was very cynical actually about what she called in her view the no different type of scrutiny from magazines like "the national enquirer" to what she said was supposed to be credible media organizations like the "new york times," the boston herald she cited. all just running with rumors about her which she said were simply not true. i thought was interesting. i have never been a quote/unquote party girl she said. i don't drink now. i probably had a handful of beer since i've been on probation. i've never done drugs apart from a little bit of marijuana in my early 20s. she said this with quite an emphatic tone to her voice. as if to say i'm a bit fed up with this stuff being peddled around. like i was a wild out of control young woman. >> when the case began,thrusts of the prosecution in attempting to build prejudice in my opinion was to paint her as some sort of -- type person. this is a young generation. she's 22 years old. kids these days go out to start their evenings when i've long been asleep. and that doesn't mean they're out doing anything different than any other 20-year-old or 22-year-old or 23-year-old kid in the country. that's what the modern youth does. we didn't used to do that. but the opportunities weren't there so -- >> i mean, there's persistent rumor she's trying to sell her story. is that true? >> no. simply is not. nothing's being sold. nothing's being marketed. from her. i'm the one that's responsible for doing those things for her, with her. we're sit back watching. we're watching what other people have done, are doing, what's coming out. when the time comes, she will have her story to tell. >> on this very supple, said i'm not making millions of dollars at the hands of other people. i don't give an expletive about money. i may have in the past. other reasons before any of this stuff started because i was a stupid kid. i'm 26 now. i've gone through hell. and even i know the situation isn't what it should have been when my life totally changed almost a year ago but i'm dealing with it. >> well -- >> in a way, i thought she's a different person now in her eyes to the one she was before. >> well, keep in mind, she spent three years being vilified 24 hours a day by all of the news media in the country or in the world you tell me. being accused and assaulted and degraded by some of the other talk show-type people that don't deserve to be mentioned. and that's all there was. keep in mind, at the same time, casey was in lockdown. 23 out of 24 hours a day. seven days a week for three years. the only time that she got out is when we visited with her or other team members or experts met with her. and then trial. she had to endure all that. that whole process for all that time. >> there will be people watching this. you have a fixed view about your client. who will say "i'm not buying any of this stuff." "and i don't want you, you know, soft soaping it." she probably killed her child, they'll think. even if she didn't, she was found guilty of lying. again, it was interesting talking to her. she didn't try and hide from this. on the subject of the lying, she said, well, i said to her where are you self-critical i said to her. she said, by not being honest. i didn't trust law enforcement. because of my relationship with my father who was ex-law enforcement himself. people can think they are critical of me and the 31 days of my lying to law enforcement and not being forthcoming. but they don't understand the reason why. and then she went on to say something very interesting. i've looked back at some of the interviews that she did. in the way i've come across. it's horrible. it looks absolutely horrible. and i'm ashamed in many ways of the person that i was. because even then that wasn't who i am. strong stuff. >> strong person. casey had a bad background. a lot of problems in her history that don't need to be talked about now. indeed, she didn't trust anybody. and of course when she -- questioned as intensely as she was without benefit of her constitutional rights, warnings, lawyers, whatever. casey world was made things up. casey world denied things. she just closed in. she had a very difficult time. she is now trying to emerge from that. she learned at the same time a lot of the world did how she grieved differently after her child disappeared. we had an expert explain that. interestingly in the courtroom, piers, when that was done, it was the first time she really seemed to have an understanding what had transpired. why she was there. >> i thought it was interesting when she said to me i wouldn't even have been able to begin to tell you the person i was outside of being a mum. i was 22, i was scared and confused with life in general not having a direction. you get a picture of a young woman -- like she said, lacking direction. with family issues. let me ask you difficult question. you represent her legally. you spent so much time with her that in many ways you've become a surrogate family to her. she has no relationship with her parents now. people will be watching this thinking fine, if she didn't kill her girl, who did. have you formed any kind of opinion about that? >> well, i don't think anybody killed her. that term implied an intentional act. the child obviously died. we presented that evidence in trial, theory of the defense. we believe it. we're staying by it. there's no reason to change that. there's going to be people who deny it and will not accept it. there are still people out there who totally and mistakenly believe that somehow chloroform had something to do with this case. we proved in trial that it did not. that was a fabrication from the prosecution. there's no such evidence of color form having anything to do with this child's death period. >> just hold that thought for an moment. i want to come back after the break and talk more about my extraordinary conversation with casey and thoerns get your reaction. ♪ ♪ why do you whisper, green grass? ♪ [ all ] shh! ♪ why tell the trees what ain't so? ♪ [ male announcer ] dow solutions use vibration reduction technology to help reduce track noise so trains move quieter through urban areas all over the world. together, the elements of science and the human element can solve anything. 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>> well, i don't know. i'm an older lawyer. i was one who vigorously opposed the whole project of having cameras in a courtroom. i have tried a dozen or more trials of cameras in the courtroom. what i do know is everybody in a courtroom acts differently. what they try to deny or say. i watched it, i've been there. >> they perform -- >> judges, clerks, deputies. witnesses, lawyers, jurors. they all -- you can watch them. jurors even in some cases. when clearly they're not going to be shown, their faces -- the cameras can't show them, they still will do -- will dress up with their -- as we used to say, their sunday best to come to court. >> you're a very experienced lawyer who's been in this game a long, long time. you're used to clients presumably over the years lying to you. we know from casey anthony by her own admission she lied for a long time to law enforcement officers. could she be pulling the wool over your eyes? >> well, i guess anything is possible. but i've been defending cases a long time. first time i defended murder cases, 1973. i've tried well in excess of 300 jury trials. i'm older. i have experiences in the world. military experience and lawyer experience. world experience. anything is possible. if so, she's probably the best there is. i do not believe for a moment she has or even attempted to pull the wool over my eyes or anybody else's on the team. we all believe very strongly and committed to her. >> she said to me i'm trying to adjust the best i possibly can. given everything that is thrown at me every day. i have good days and bad days. i'm trying to take the best out of everything. what is the reality of casey anthony's daily life? what will she be doing tomorrow for example? >> well, she will read books. she'll watch movies. she told me -- the other day, goes, a couple of notes of what she likes to watch. she of course doesn't watch the news. she told you she'll watch this if it's -- she doesn't watch the news. she doesn't watch these so-called reality shows that are about as real as wrestling. she is reading now this trilogy of books called "hunger games" which i'm not familiar with. she's read grisham books she likes. she particularly likes books dealing with international travel. >> "hunger games" is about -- kids killing each other. >> yeah, yeah. >> weird subject matter. >> apparently has taken on like harry potter stuff i guess. she's very interested in photography. her -- she works out a lot. her favorite shows, "i love lucy." "the three stooges." old movies. particularly ones in black and white. travel. those types of things that she some day would like to be able to do. and she will be able to do. >> you think she'd like to be a mother again? >> probably would. it would take a long time for her to be accepted in a new world, a new life. to take that risk i think. she certainly was very committed to it and loved her daughter. there's tens of thousands of photographs. that child was a photographed child in that family. all of them with casey in a very loving relationship and playing and so forth. >> on two points of detail, she said to me, i do not weigh 500 pounds as one magazine has stated. and i'm not moving to costa rica. >> yeah, you know, we get called and hear about these rumors all the time. and i can assure you that she doesn't weigh 500 pounds. it's doubtful that she weighs 120 pounds. costa rica. i don't know where that comes from. i don't know where any of this stuff comes from. you know, there are people who will say and make up anything and others that will hear it and will choose to believe it and run with it and fabricate more and make up more stuff and it never ends. >> it was a fascinating experience to talk to her. in many ways an iconic figure in this country for the wrong reasons. it was certainly interesting to get her take on where she is and on some of the issues about her. i appreciate you guys coming in. thank you very much indeed. >> thank you. >> coming up, our other big story. courtroom drama. the teenager known as victim number one tells his emotional story. one of the best things about state farm is our accessibility. oh, yeah? 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[ man ] saw 'em in '83 in fresno. place was crawling with chicks. i got to go. ♪ any way you want it ♪ that's the way you need it ♪ any way you want it ♪ . . this case is going to show the world how exceedingly difficult it is for victims of sexual abuse to report that heinous crime. >> the other big story of the day, jerry sandusky's trial entered the second day today. told his emotional story. the 18-year-old known as victim number one says he stayed at sandusky's house more than 100 times as a boy. he says sandusky repeatedly abused him. former assistant coach mike mcqueary also took the stand describing what he saw when he sought sandusky in the shower with a boy. here now to talk about what happened in court today. the former chief of the manhattan d.a. crime unit. and alan dershowitz. almost a sense of deja vu today i thought with the second witness. even more emotional i felt than the victim yesterday. very similar testimony. lisa, what did you make of it today? >> i found the testimony incredibly moving. for someone that's done this for three decades, that says a lot. i was impressed by how the details -- so many of the details of exactly the defendant progressed with him where so similar to the victim that we heard yesterday. and down to some little bit unusual details. i had to go back and look at yesterday's testimony to see. it started with the horsing around in water first where you're throwing someone around, of course touching them. then the very unique detail of blowing on their stomachs. i found it very persuasive today. >> would you agree -- seems to be a definite pattern emerging, it's very consistent. the sense you got from the courtroom was that very, very powerful testimony. because this boy victim one stared several times apparently at sandusky, not avoiding it at all. >> he cried a lot. what we're seeing emerging is a triangularization. that's a winning strategy. the victims testifying. then you have an eyewitness testifying today. who was not a victim. who saw them in the shower engaging in what he thought was an act of sodomy. and the corroboration by a grandparent or somebody else. the perfect prosecutorial triangle. >> what about mcqueary? he's given evidence before obviously. discrepancies today. now he's saying three. ed his testimony's very important. he's not one of the victims. he's a specific eyewitness who had a responsibility there. is it significant his story is slightly changing? >> it would be if he were the sole witness or if he were the victim. that would be very important. when you have three distinct categories of witnesses, each of whom have slight discrepancies. all of whom explain the discrepancies. it's just human. >> they're also trying to pick holes in victim's one story. he was of course 14 years old at the time this happened. in your experience in this field, it can't be uncommon that a 14-year-old boy would perhaps have memory issues with this kind of thing, could it? >> absolutely not. it's totally common. especially when the abuse went on for a period of time and there were many, many acts. it's very hard to get somebody to pinpoint. was it exactly ten, was it 12, was it 20? which was part of the cross today. also, we're talking about something that happened years ago. whether it's mcqueary testifying at something he saw 11 years ago or these boys about something that happened years ago. the central fact of what they are saying happened to them or they saw, i think that comes through loud and clear. >> the only way to defeat that on cross is if he could demonstrate that these kids got together, compared their stories, that their lawyer helped them with the story. that can have significance. >> we're seeing two names being mentioned a few times. doty, jerry sandusky's wife, and of course joe paterno, who sadly is no longer with us. two, i guess, could be key people to this. one, the wife of the man accused. secondly, the guy who was accused of effectively covering it up. what is their importance in this now? >> i think doty's importance is clear. if she knew what went on in some ways you could say she's as much of a monster as her husband was for enabling this to go on. it's been my experience that people in that situation don't know exactly what went on and psychologically don't want to see what -- >> they're in denial. >> yes, they're in total denial of what happened. so we don't know which it is with doty. >> relationship to joe paterno? >> it's a tragedy because it shows what happens when you have an icon and football becomes too important at a university. he just didn't want to destroy his legacy by admitting that he had somebody who was right under him who was doing these terrible, terrible things. it's understandable, utterly unjustifiable. i think in the end -- >> is it understandable though? you see, it's the one aspect of this i've never found understandable. i think joe paterno, for all his greatness as a sports coach, he let these boys down badly by just turn ago blindpaterno's generation. we grew up with one rule. thou shall not snitch on a friend. it's a terrible rule. i understand paterno's unwillingness to turn in a friend. i can understand it. >> i get the impression from everything i read they were not friends. that whether it was cause things he learned about from the '98 investigation or what mcqueary told him that he really was not comfortable with him on a personal level. that it was the brand of penn state football. and that he didn't want to be the person to ruin that brand. he passed it up the line and then just "it's not my responsible anymore." because he was joe paterno, because he was god at penn state, had he done more than that. >> also about the police chief, the head of security at the university. you think it's his job to report it directly to the police. >> it was a complete failure right across the whole system and these boys are the victims. for now, alan, lisa, thank you very much. coming up, "dallas." larry hagman, linda gray, patrick duffy, they're all here. 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[ female announcer ] get the travelocity guarantee any way you book, including our new app. you'll never roam alone. sex, greed and back stabbing intrigue. that's just cnn. that got your attention, didn't it? these were the main ingredients of one of america's most popular tv soap operas ever. never mind america. it was the most popular television show in my home country, britain, from 1978 to 1991. it was of course "dallas." airing on cbs. now it's coing back on our sister network tnt with a new generation of dreaming and scheming. joined by many of the original stars. i'm ecstatic to welcome three of my personal television heroes to my humble set. linda gray, larry hagman and patrick duffy. i was 13 years old when you came on british tv prepubescent mere man. you remember how big it was. >> oh, it was -- >> it became the biggest show. only the royal wedding, diana and charles, ever beat it in the ratings. it was compel. gruesome. fascinating. >> you mean "dallas," not the royal wedding? >> they were both soap operas in their own way. everybody in britain watched it. everybody wanted to go to dallas and lead this incredible life. so welcome to all three of you. >> thank you. >> j.r., sue ellen, bobby. >> wow. >> as you'll always be to me. >> this may be the best intro we have ever gotten. >> it will be. it's heartfelt. >> since 1978. >> how do you all feel -- you're pleased or you wouldn't be doing it. now you've actually gone some filming. and you've gone back in time, if you like. was it all you hoped it would be when you signed up for this? >> more. >> why? >> we had this realization we would never work together again. we're the best of friends. >> 35 years. >> 35 years. the closest of friends. i have no closer friends than these people. we knew we would never work together again. whenever we would step on screen in any forum, people would say, look, there's j.r., sue ellen and bobby. and then this gift was presented to us. >> how amazing that you've stayed so close. unusual. >> it is, for any business, any industry. to have friends you worked with. to still be friends 35 years later. >> it's inexplicable because we were this close day one of the show. >> because it's -- you're both very nice people. mr. evil here, the dark dealer of evil scheming. >> what? >> i mean, you look so nice and normal today. >> sweet person -- >> you were the great role model for all older brothers like me. i tormented my two younger brothers for years after you showed me the way. i want to thank you. they don't want to thank you. he joined the army and got it out of his system. you're obviously nothing like j.r. in real life. you couldn't really bring back "dallas" without j.r. we all agree on this. were you remotely concerned, given you were the top dog, if you like, he might damage the brand? how long did you think about it? >> about -- till they told me how much i was going to make. >> how much was it? >> i don't remember. doesn't matter now. i spent it already. >> it's a serious question. a lot of anything can often be crashing disappointments. all the buzz around this is it's terrific. i think the blending of the great characters that we know with the hot young blood that comes through is so clever and gives it a real chance of success second time around. "dallas" was such a wonderful phenomenon of its time. i would understand serious concern, particularly for you, as a kind of leader of the pack. how much did the friendship come into it? >> well, i wouldn't be doing it without them. we wouldn't be doing it. no. i mean, somebody approached me. would you like to do the show? and i said, my friend's going to be on the show? they said, sure. i said, let's see a script. we all talked about the script. we liked it very much. >> yep. >> we said yeah. it was like that. only took about ten years to get going. >> i think people forget that we're dear friends and we do talk. and so it isn't about, you know, one getting something and the other one not getting it or whatever. we talk all the time about all the details. >> larry, you look great. you've not been very well -- everything okay, back to normal? >> so far, yeah. >> i like the fact you brought this in. is this a genuine j.r. -- you see, immediately, that laugh. the stetson, the laugh, the evi chuckle. was that your chuckle? >> in germany, it's not my chuckle. they always say give us that laugh. i always say that's not me. that's my interpreter. >> you should hear him in japanese. >> japanese is great. >> little montage of the great old days. for anyone watching it who doesn't understand why i'm so excited today -- >> we want to see it. >> i have finally figured everything out, that's all. you've been trying to frame me. >> good morning. >> tell me, j.r., which slut are you going to stay with tonight? >> what difference does it make? whoever it is has got to be more interesting than the slut i'm looking at right now. >> oh. >> did you really say that? >> he said that. >> i didn't know you could say that on tv anymore. wow, you pushed the envelope. you said you weren't evil. >> you think that's evil? >> no wonder i drank. no wonder i would drink. >> did you like being, for what you were, the most evil man on television? >> well, you know, i don't think i was an evil man. i was just like a texas business man, that's all. >> yeah, evil. >> they keep bringing that -- >> i'm just doing what people do for business. >> you can't start distancing yourself from being evil. j.r. was wonderfully evil. constantly plotting. even against his own family. evil, isn't it? >> especially against his own family. >> did you like the reputation? >> of course i do, yes. it's wonderful. >> how do people react even now? >> they -- the question they say is who shot j.r. >> you ever tell them? >> yes, yeah. >> what did you say? >> bing crosby's daughter. >> shot peter pan's son. >> who shot j.r. because of course there were only about 3,000 suspects. >> oh, yeah. >> the beauty of the plot line. it could have been literally anybody. when you guys are filming in dallas, presuming you live there for the duration, when you walk around, it's like the royal family, isn't it? >> everywhere. >> they must go crazy. >> london, berylen. >> where are you most popular outside america? >> i think in the uk. >> also germany. my gosh, we're still playing in germany. >> really? >> every night, yeah. >> you and david hasselhoff really. >> yeah, he's doing very well. >> mr. germany. >> let's take another break. i want to bring out the new generation of ewings. i want to find -- >> really? >> oh, all right. >> young and fresher meat. >> fresher? hello. to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas... domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... that's smarter power today. domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... ♪... ♪... ♪... choose the perfect hotel you're a part of this. back now with larry hagman, joining us now, welcome to the new brigade. you have the task of playing j.r. junior. >> yes it was intimidating to figure out what would john ross be today after having this amazing father. >> my guess is evil. >> he's one of the nicest guys around. >> i don't want to hear that. >> he learned how to do business one way, and that was the j.r. way and he thinks hopefully he can put his spin on it. >> massive pressure on you in particular, because every one is going to look at you as being effectively the new j.r. with the old j.r. towering over you like this omni potent figure. how do you feel about it? >> i actually was completely excited about what i considered to be a fun challenge. i knew there was a lot of expectation on this series in general coming back, but who is also j.r.'s spawn, who has he turned into? >> john ross was a little baby. >> wide-eyed kid who looked up to his dad. >> we worried about him. >> here i am. >> so you play the ewing's cook's daughter. >> i am not a ewing. >> knowing the way the interbreeding goes, it's only a matter of time. >> i'm involved with both ewings, so i'm a lucky girl. >> you're having a simultaneous fling with these two. >> i'm in love with both of them. >> how have you found it coming into this iconic show? >> it's been wonderful. i was a fan of "dallas." >> you must have been about five. >> i was very young. >> how old are you. >> i was born in 1980. >> so you were born after the start. i can just about buy you being a fan. but the reality is you're the fresh blood here, aren't you, replacing, and yet with, legends. >> we're not replacing which is why it's not terrifying. we're joining which is what's so wonderful. they've been awesome and welcoming. >> have they about divas. >> so generous to work with. >> from you, to "desperate house wives" to "dallas." >> i think this show has the potential to be huge. >> it's been brilliantly done. i have to say. the fusion between the two, which could have been fraught with danger actually looks completely seamless. mainly because you three haven't aged. it is ridiculous. you don't look a day older. >> i am. >> i know you are. >> and wiser. >> you're many days older, but this is one of the reasons it must work. it looks like we're just carrying on where we left off. >> i think it was all set up with that pilot episode. the script was amazing, it was a seamless transition. as far as chemistry is concerned, these three set the tone. we like to call them the big three, their friendship and enthusiasm, it's contagious. >> it made us comfortable coming in, which i think really helped the story lines feel real and believable. it was they really welcomed us with open arms. >> let's get a realty check here. how have they been getting on. >> they're going to drag us into another 13 years. >> could you imagine even at 94 i wouldn't trust you. you know what i mean? just a leopard would never change his spots. to me, you could probably tell this is all terribly overexciting. it's been a great privilege to have you guys, i appreciate you all coming on. it's "dallas," heirs wednesday at 9:00 p.m. the new series preem ears on june 13th. i want it to be the biggest hit of the summer. and you can come back any time you like. it's been a pleasure. >> thank you. >> "dallas," i need to know home and lay down and take a cold shower. coming up next, only in america. ♪ i can do anything ♪ i can do anything today ♪ i can go anywhere ♪ i can go anywhere today ♪ la la la la la la la [ male announcer ] dow solutions help millions of people by helping to make gluten free bread that doesn't taste gluten free. together, the elements of science and the human element can solve anything. solutionism. the new optimism. oh, yeah? 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