you can't be more anti-sex than that. >> plus to hollywood and back again. some movies to working in the white house. and child star turned outspoken conservative, kirk cameron. it gets a bit lively. >> morally, things that used to be unheard of or just shied away from are now normal. >> and owning america, my personal take on rush limbaugh's comments. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. her to have sex just because she wanted birth control. my guest is a man who i'm sure will have pretty strong views about this and every other issue. penn jillette, how are you? >> i'm just so excited to have rush and sex below my picture, just those words. you know, the weird thing about this is he just made explicit what's implicit in the argument. i mean all the arguments are anti-sex. penn jillette, how are you? >> i'm just so excited to have rush and sex below my picture, just those words. you know, the weird thing about this is he just made explicit what's implicit in the argument. i mean all the arguments are anti-sex. >> let's hear what he actually said. >> yeah. >> so ms. fluke and rest of you, here's the deal. if we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. and i'll tell you what it is. we want you to post the videos online so we can all watch. >> completely ridiculous. he then goes on to say, what does it make her. this is a girl, she's a third year student for god sake. it makes her a slut. it makes her a prostitute. she wants to be paid to have sex. she's having to have so much sex she can't afford contraception. she wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. what does that make us? we're the pimps. it's one of the most outrageous things i've ever heard. >> absolutely. but it's not really worse than just attacking sex. i mean the people that come out and say that contraception is wrong and attack sex are really saying the same things. he just used -- he just used cruder and very impolite and offensive words. but the concept isn't that different. >> what is the concept then? >> the concept is that sex is bad. >> who thinks sex is bad? >> not me. not you. but underneath our name it said rush and sex. but i think that all the people that come out and say that, you know, sex is strictly for procreation, you know, the catholic church essentially saying sex is for procreation. i mean you can't be more anti-sex than that. >> but when i hear rush limbaugh go on like, this he sounds like some archaic dinosaur. we're in 2012. you ridiculous old man. >> it's going to be really hard for us to argue about this. >> is it? or do you have a slight position because you're an atheist that actually this is what happens when you take religion to its extremities? >> i actually think that this does certainly -- anti-sex stuff does start often in religion, but he doesn't -- he doesn't actually mention religion. >> i would love to know who rush limbaugh has had sex with over the years. >> you would? >> yes, yeah. i want to see what he does in his perfect little world. the idea that some student who is taking responsibility for her life, who is probably struggling, i don't know about her case but many students struggle financially because in this country it's very, very expensive to go to college. let's wake up and get real. the idea that she wants to take responsibility, she's at law school and she wants to take responsibility for her life. she's sexually active and she's saying i want to have contraception. this makes her a slut and a prostitute? i think it's absolutely disgusting. >> i stopped listening right after you said you wanted to know all about rush having sex. i was so kind of gob smacked by that because i'm not sure i share that with you completely. but i'll get into it. i'll go with you. i'll go watch rush limbaugh have sex with you. i'll do that. i'm not completely comfortable with it. >> there's actually nothing i'd rather less do. she seems to be acting perfectly responsibly. >> sure, of course, but it all depends on whether you think sex is a bad thing. once you've said sex is a bad thing, doesn't all of this follow logically. >> there can't be anybody in the world that genuinely thinks sex is a bad thing. >> sure there are. >> that it's a bad thing? >> sure. >> or a bad thing outside of wedlock. >> sure. i think that there are people who think it's just simply bad and dirty. i don't think you can -- i think there's a lot of precedent for that. >> but that is the job of responsible broadcasters to actually say it isn't bad. it's one of the great wonders of the world. isn't it? >> absolutely. and i'm agreeing with you on everything except that i want to know everything about rush limbaugh's sex life, which i balked at and then jumped on board with you. >> i'm amazed he's on air. >> i can see that. >> calling a student that. anyway, let's move on. when you see the republican debate, the nominees going at each other about all these social issues and stuff, a lot of it is motivated by their religious beliefs. >> yes. >> certainly with somebody like rick santorum in particular making a big play for that. what do you think, as an atheist, when you see that happening politically, and these are people who may one day be your president, what do you think? >> well, you have to -- it's very, very hard not to just be told you so and to be smug and to understand that this is things people believe in their heart, and they're very, very real. the fact that it's not real to me doesn't mean it's not real to him. it's very hard -- i try to never be cynical about this, and i try to appreciate the passion and appreciate the honesty and he's simply wrong. >> you're sounding very measured now. let's hear what you said to say recently. >> all i want out of our politicians is for them to just say, you know, a lot of the religious stuff i'm talking about is bug nutty [ bleep ] crazy but i'm not. because i don't think any of these men and women are crazy. >> bug nutty bat crazy. that's a bit more like it. >> i disagree tremendously. but i'm saying you try to hold on to the fact that at least there's some passion and honesty. i do like the fact -- i'm grasping at straws here to find something good about rick santorum. but i do like the fact that he at least seems to be saying what he believes. >> you see i rather actually like rick santorum personally. i've met him a few times, met him family. i think he is sincere about his religious beliefs. he's quite literal about them and takes them to their extremities. what i always find very divisive about these positions is when they try to say i'm all for freedom. i don't want the government interfering in your life. i want you to have freedom. but at the same time driven by their religious beliefs, they don't want gay marriage, they think homosexuality is a sin, they don't want abortion, they don't want this and they go through a whole list of things which actually dent people's freedom. you can't have it both ways. >> i don't want to bring up a horrible fight between our countries, but the idea of united states when it was brought up was to separate church and state, to separate these issues, thinking that more freedom would allow people to do more things. i think that rick santorum should be allowed to be as anti-sex and as pro-god as he wants. it's just trying to get the power over other people that's wrong. >> he said, and i'm sure he regrets this now, but he said it made him want to throw up reading jfk's speech about separation of church and state although i don't think that's what jfk was saying. he was saying i won't take my orders from the vatican. >> it's very hard to be elected as a catholic especially at that time because you can read catholic dogma to say that he should listen to the pope more than to the people and he had to make that very clear in order to be elected. i think he's speaking specifically about, as you said, getting his orders from the vatican. >> are there elements of a religious conviction which you think could be helpful to somebody as a political leader? >> you have to have the passion for freedom greater than the passion for you know what's right, and that's difficult. rick santorum, i believe, from reading the bible and looking at catholicism, believes that there is an everlasting life possible and the way to that everlasting life is jesus christ. it's very hard when someone believes that to then tell him to let me go to hell. that's what i'm asking him. i'm asking rick santorum, let me go to hell. >> let's hold it with the idea of you going to hell because i quite like that thought and we'll come back after the break. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. 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>> probably different kinds of fun, i would say. i also didn't know these movies grossed $700 million so i need to have a talk with my agent after this. i love being creative, i love story telling. ever since i was a kid, i've also loved public service so i feel fortunate that i've had the chance to balance those two the last few years. >> if i head a bullet to your head and you could only do one of these things the rest of your life, movies, tv, politics. >> i would get rid of tv and i would choose between movies and politics. >> which one is it going to be? >> one is fact and one is fiction. >> it's hypothetical. >> i would probably go with the public service. >> would you? >> because you're helping real people with real substantive things. >> tell me about your time at the white house. you've been there twice since president obama got elected and also worked for him on his last campaign and you're working on his new campaign, so you clearly know the president pretty well. what's it been like in there to be at the center of things looking out with everybody else wondering what's going on in there? >> it's been pretty remarkable. i had the honor serving as his liaison to young americans so the things i was working on were pretty consistent across the board. whether you're a young person conservative or progressive, things like financial aid or don't ask, don't tell which also polls pretty consistently with young people. seeing him fight for those things behind the scenes, until things like that come up for a vote or the american opportunity tax credit, you don't really see them in the news. so these are things that you work on with groups of young people from across the board. to see the successes at the end of the day were really inspiring to me. >> what would you say are the common misconceptions about the president? >> oh, gosh. i don't know. i think it depends on whether you turn on -- where you're getting your news. i think the thing that a lot of folks are asking about is, you know, the pace of change and what it looks like and how -- the nice thing about a democracy is that there's a push and pull. >> how much of the lack of pace of change or not quite what people thought he was going to be doing in terms of speed, how much of that do you think is down to a sudden realization when he got into power, the part that he inherited financially was a lot worse than he thought and also the republicans in dealing with him and how much is down to new boy at the white house, maybe second time around if he gets re-elected you'd see a very different barack obama. >> i think it's been very consistent. for the majority of the time he's been there, he's had an obstructionist congress that hasn't allowed him to do the things he'd wanted to do. despite that, he's brought all the young kids home from iraq, repeal don't ask, don't tell, raise the tax credit. we've had 23 months of positive job growth so 3.7 million new private sector jobs were created. the way that i look at it looking back is he has been pretty consistent and pretty vigorously so and we're all the better for it. now, i would love to see that trend continue. i think as you sort of alluded to, his republican counterparts want to dismantle everything, which i think would be a shame, particularly for all the young people. >> newt gingrich, he had a very good relationship when he was speaker of the house with president clinton and his argument is that barack obama hasn't been a very good negotiator. it's never been part of his resume and that he needs to learn how to negotiate. do you accept that as a criticism? >> no, i don't think so. i think if you -- if you look at sort of the way that change works, and the president had the honor of sitting in a meeting that he had with a bunch of young people in boston and it was five democrats, five republicans and three independents. they were all college age. and he said, you know, when you govern, you don't always get 100% of what you want. that there is a large ball that keeps pushing. sometimes it rolls back down. the point is when you talk to folks that disagree with you, that's when you're really going to get things done. if you look at his track record, he's definitely had people at the table. and he's done his best to be a negotiator. >> what kind of guy is he when the door shuts? >> the same. the same. >> no one is ever the same. >> look, we're in l.a. right now, right? you've had your fair share of getting to meet politicians both at their campaign events and you see them behind the scenes and a lot of times they're completely different people. >> that is true, that's why i was curious. >> although he's not. there's no difference. >> he seems t -- he resonates a certain calmness that's very impressive. >> if you saw the video from the white house correspondents dinner last year, the president had signed the authorization to go after bin laden. and he e still held it together to deliver a really remarkable speech. >> let's take a little break and come back and talk about the republican race, which i would imagine you'd be slightly less generous towards and also a bit of hollywood talk. i also want to know what hugh is like to work with. i bet he's unbearable. >> he's a great guy, come on. >> don't lie. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's new glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] new glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. he's not divisive. he's not a polarizing figure, he's a uniting figure. i think that's something we need after the last eight years of what we've just endured. not just that, but the last 20 years of two families controlling the white house. i mean, you know, there are a lot of folks that have great ideas, but i think the reason we haven't seen any of those executed are because they're polarizing figures. barack has fans in the republican party and fans in the democratic party and sort of everyone in between like me. >> that was kal penn in 2008 campaigning for barack obama. it's a good point you made there, before he even became president, i still don't think he's actually that divisive a president. i don't get the sense people hate barack obama. some people say bad things about him, but he's not as polarizing as someone like george bush post-iraq, for example. that is something that can be to his advantage. i always said if you travel like i do around europe a lot, they really like him. he certainly massively helped america's reputation outside of america. the problem he's got is only 25% of americans ever travel outside of america so they wouldn't even be aware of it. >> the poll came in yesterday and 40% of republican voters are undecided who they're going to vote for in the november election, whether they're going to vote for the president or whoever the nominee is. in terms of a uniting figure and someone who keeps his head straight and doesn't like to get into the vitriolic back and forth that distracts us from the real issues -- >> as far as keeping his head down while the republicans rip him to pieces has been a good thing. >> that just really is who he is. if you look back consistently, he doesn't -- he likes to sort of tell it how it is and sit down and have a rational conversation as opposed to getting into some sort of mud slinging. >> when you work at the white house and look at all these republican candidates, what is the consensus? is the consensus they're all quite weak? is there a preferred candidate, do you think? who would you most like to come up against? >> to me all of the candidates are the same, just in terms of the policy. >> all useless or all good. >> the lens that i look at it through, is look at all the accomplishments the president had for young people. college of affordability. two and a half million have health insurance that didn't before. all of the republican candidates want to roll back all of those achievements. so one of the original things that got me involved in the president's campaign, i had a buddy who had to decide between getting eyeglasses to see the board in glass or buying his textbooks. and i wouldn't want to see that happen again. and it just -- it's a shame that his counterparts want to roll back things like health care reform or don't ask, don't tell or things -- >> if you're a republican, you're pointing to barack obama and he's had a few ticks in the foreign office box if you like. he got rid of bin laden, helped get rid of gadhafi, brought the troops home from iraq but he also bailed out -- the genesis was with george bush, not barack obama, they would argue. obama care is being perceived to be a failure. the economy is still pretty awful. still got nearly 9% unemployed. they're all squabbling away about religious and social issues. not really focusing on what i would say are the vulnerable parts. >> i don't know about that. i would say that the lens through which that would be looked at, i think they know that that's not necessarily true, right? if you're talking to -- when i was working at the white house and health care reform passed, we had young people who now that pre-existing conditions are no longer an issue, they can stay on their parents' plan until they're 26. they have friends and family that can have access to health insurance. >> i come from a country that have free health care. the fact that you can put 30 million more people into a health care program and get slaughtered for it is baffling to me. but the reality is he lost the pr war on obama care and it's being perceived to be a failure. which baffles me, but it has. >> the folks who i've spoken to and maybe this is just a youth divide, the under 35 crowd, i don't think perceives it as a failure. i think that's sort of the difference. the older folks, if you will, are sort of back and forth over the concept of something having failed or something being miserable as opposed to young folks who are incredibly innovative. they're starting their own companies. they're bouncing back as the economy is. they can afford more of college now. they can stay on their parents' health insurance plan. their friends are coming home from iraq. those are the folks who i'm talking to and that's the lens through which i've been looking at this. the other side just doesn't seem to be offering any solutions to that. >> much more worrying to me is the end of "house," one of my favorite series ever. >> it was an awesome show to have a chance to work on. >> starring the best brit playing an american accent i've ever heard. >> yes. >> he sounds like one of you guys. >> agreed. >> hugh laurie always in interviews sounds unbelievably miserable, for the highest guy on american television, all he ever does is moan. i've got to work too hard, i've got to live in hollywood. never stops whining. >> i think that's a schtick. i was on about two years and really enjoyed him. i really admire him careerwise. he started out doing comedy and segued to playing this incredibly brilliant character. i would love to follow in those footsteps. >> i do think it's a scandal he's never won an emmy. >> i would agree with you. >> every year he gets nominated and every year he doesn't win. what more does a guy got to do? it's one of the greatest character roles i've ever seen on american television. >> both spoken and unspoken the work that he's done to building this character is incredible. >> i'm going to campaign. an emmy for hugh laurie. you have a new comedy series. >> it's called "prairie dogs." it's a pilot we're doing with the abc network. the folks that created "that '70s show" created it. the dirty secret with the pilots is they shoot quite a few of them and pick up only a handful. >> you're doing this, a master's at stanford, co-chairing the obama campaign with eva long goria. you're a busy guy, aren't you? >> i try to keep busy. i enjoy it. i feel really blessed that i have the chance to do all those things and i would love to continue it. >> kal, it's been a real pleasure. nice to meet you. >> same here. coming up, another hollywood name and a very different take on the issues. former child star kirk cameron. 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>> oh, like what? i mean we could go through a whole host of things. but just immorality in general. i turn on television and you see everything from, you know, sexual immorality to vulgarity and promiscuity and things to me as a dad i want to be teaching the opposite to my kids. i want them to love and honor god and i want them to love their neighbor. i want them to serve their community. i want them to have healthy families. i want them to love this country. >> who do you blame for this? many people outside of america think there's too much attention to religious issues in this country and it causes a lot of the division in the country. >> the interesting thing is what motivated me to make this documentary that i've made is i'm turning on the news watching you, i'm watching everyone else, fox and cnn and glenn beck and the whole host of others, to try to give me a clear picture of what the problem is to know as a father what to teach my children. >> if i asked you, for example, what your view of gay marriage is, what would you say? >> go ahead and ask me. >> what is your view of gay marriage? >> i feel like i just got imported into the christine o'donnell interview you did back in august. >> she wouldn't talk about stuff in her own book. >> i know, i know. >> i'm just saying these issues are interesting to me about what you would tell your kids, who you're trying to protect, for example. >> yes. >> would you tell them that gay marriage is a sin? >> i would tell my children, as -- i tell them what i believe myself, and dealing with these social issues, whether it's abortion or gay marriage -- >> what do you believe? >> i believe that marriage was defined by god a long time ago. marriage is almost as old as dirt and it was defined in the garden between adam and eve, one man, one woman, for life, till death do you part so i would never attempt to try to redefine marriage. i don't think anyone else should either. do i support the idea of gay marriage? no, i don't. >> do you think homosexuality is a sin? >> i think that it's -- it's unnatural. i think that it's detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization. >> what do you do if one of your six kids says, dad, bad news, i'm gay. >> i'd sit down and have a heart to heart with them just like you would with your kids. >> if one of my sons said that, i'd say that's great, son. as long as you're happy. what would you say. >> well, i wouldn't say that's great, son, as long as you're happy. i'm going to say, you know, there's all sorts of issues that we need to wrestle through in our life. just because you feel one way doesn't mean we should act on everything that we feel. >> some people would say that telling kids that being gay is a sin or getting married is a sin or whatever, that in itself is incredibly destructive and damaging in a country where seven states now have legalized it. >> yes, but you have to also understand that you yourself are using a standard of morality to say that telling people such and such of a behavior is sinful, you're using a standard of morality to make that statement and say that that is terribly destructive. so everyone is going to have a standard against which they -- >> no, no, no, listen, listen. i'm not an american. i'm making the point that seven states in america have now legalized gay marriage. >> well, piers, you're speaking to a man who's a christian and i believe that all of us are sinful. i could stand at the top of the list and say that i need a savior and i need an overhaul of the heart more than anyone. and so that's what i teach my kids. i teach them the value that say i hold dear. i treasure the god that loves me and forgives me of my sin. i would teach that to my children as well as having a wonderful relationship with them that my wife and i work on every single day. so your value system, my value system, we're all going to pick a standard against which we judge behavior morally. all of our laws ultimately at their core are going to be based on a moral evaluation. >> so what's your view of abortion? >> i think that it's wrong. >> under any circumstances? >> under any circumstances. >> even rape and incest? >> i think someone who is ultimately willing to murder a child, even to fix another tragic end, a devastating situation like rape or incest or things like that, is not taking the moral high road. i think that we're compounding the problem by also murdering a little child. >> could you look a daughter in the eye if she was raped and say you have got to have that child? >> yes, and i would have to. >> you would? >> yes, of course. >> i find that amazing. >> because i love my daughter. i love that little child. this is a little reacher made in god's image. perhaps you were the result of that and you were aborted, we wouldn't be here having this conversation. i value life above all things. >> your document is ma umental, lets after take a look at it. >> to the founding problems, they used for the u.s. in schools. i didn't think they wanted the bible in schools. that's what we hear, what we're told. it was put in schools in 1647. we kept it in until 1963 when they said we have done it 3then and now we're told they didn't want to bother. that one piece of history proves opposite. >> right at the forefront of the documentary -- >> at the end, not inforefront. >> but in the documentary. it's indicative that you have these strong believes and they drive your thinking about this. >> again, these are one of the freedoms that i'm concerned that we're losing that we want to hang on to. so precious is the freedom of religious, the freedom to worship got according to your own conscience, not have the government tell you who to worsep and what you're going to worship. that's what intrigued me about them. i wanted to understand, where do we get the freedoms from. if the government gives them to us, they can take them away. >> when you talk about freedom, a lot of what we talked about before is about stopping people having freedom, isn't it? about stopping them getting married if they're gay. stopping them having an abortion if they get raped. that's not freedom, that's stopping people have the right to be what they want to be. >> it's a bit of a double standard because you have to understand that there are those of us who hold values dear and pressures precious to us. >> freedom to your values. >> or your values. >> can't be both because we have different values. >> that's right. >> whose do you take? >> i take mine, you take yours. what i'm interested in with my documentary is to reveal the fact that the things we have come to love in our country were ultimately produced by a certain root, and i want to know what that is. >> kirk cameron, the documenty is on a march 27th release. good to meet you. >> coming up next, only in america. i grew up diving in the florida keys, and it was just the most magical place. the coral reefs were so pretty. and i decided that's what i wanted to do for a living, dive on coral reefs. in an area where there's live coral, there's more fish. we have to provide protection for the coastal areas and recreational opportunities for millions of people. i was diving for 40 years. over time, i saw the coral reefs start to die. coral reefs worldwide are in decline. if coral reefs died completely, coastal communities would be bankrupt, tourism would be virtually gone. a billion people in the world would be impacted. i started thinking, how can we fix the problem. >> my name is ken. i restore coral reefs. >> this developed a system that is simple and something we can train others to do. >> we start with a piece of coral this big and hang it onto trees. after a year or two, it becomes this big. then we cut the branches off and do it again. >> ken's coral nursery is one of the widest in the caribbean. it's ten times larger than the others in existence. >> we originally planted six corals here. now there's over 3,000 growing in this area alone. >> before i felt helpless watching it die. now i think there's hope. it's not too late. everybody can help. i see all of the corals and all of the fish. it's like the whole reef is coming back to life, and making a difference is exciting. tonight, only in america returns to where the show started, a woman's right to not be called a slut and prostitute for wanted to use birth control. amazing i even had to say that phrase. even more u amazing that the man who said it first and meant it is still tonight on the airwaves. rush limbaugh has been shocking america for decades for being outrageous they call smart, young, responsible students sluts and prostitutes. i have a problem, and so to many others including advertisers who are pulling from his show. they wanted the right to copt ruception on her health plan. he's she's acting possibly. most students pay a crippling fortune for their education. we ought to have a decent debate over who paid for contraception, and rather than being labeled a slut and prostitute, as reprehensible. i go further than that. limbaugh's disgusting comments

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